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A81336 A collection of speeches made by Sir Edward Dering Knight and Baronet, in matter of religion. Some formerly printed, and divers more now added: all of them revised, for the vindication of his name, from weake and wilfull calumnie: and by the same Sir Edward Dering now subjected to publike view and censure, upon the urgent importunity of many, both gentlemen and divines. Dering, Edward, Sir, 1598-1644. 1642 (1642) Wing D1104; Thomason E197_1; ESTC R212668 73,941 173

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own great cause in hand which they impiously doe mis-call the piety of the times but in truth so wrong a Piety that I am bold to say In facinus jurasse putes Here in this Petition is the Disease represented here is the Cure intreated The number of your Petitioners is considerable being above five and twenty hundred names and would have been foure times as many if that were thought materiall The matter in the Petition is of high import but your Petitioners themselves are all of them quiet and silent at their own houses humbly expecting and praying the resolution of this great Senate upon these their earnest and their hearty desires Here is no noyse no numbers at your door they will be neither your trouble nor your jealousie for I do not know of any one of them this day in the Town So much they do affie in the goodnesse of their petition and in the justice of this House If now you want any of them here to make avowance of their Petition I am their servant I do appeare for them and for my selfe and am ready to avow this petition in their names and in my own Nothing doubting but fully confident that I may justly say of the present usage of the Hierarchy in the Church of England as once the Pope Pope Adrian as I remember said of the Clergy in his time A vertice capitis ad plantam pedis nihil est sanum in toto ordine ecclesiastico I beseech you read the Petition regard us and relieve us The petition it selfe speaks thus To the Honourable the Commons House of Parliament The humble Petition of many the Inhabitants within His Majesties County of Kent MOst humbly shewing That by sad experience we doe daily finde the government in the Church of England by Archbishops Lord-bishops Deanes Archdeacons with their Courts Jurisdictions and Administrations by them and their inferiour Officers to be very dangerous both to Church and Common-wealth and to be the occasion of manifold grievances unto his Majesties Subjects in their consciences liberties and estates And likely to be fatall unto us in the continuance thereof The dangerous effects of which Lordly power in them have appeared in these particulars following 1. They doe with a hard hand over-rule all other Ministers subjecting them to their cruell authority 2. They do suspend punish and deprive many godly religious and painfull Ministers upon slight and upon no grounds whilst in the mean time few of them doe preach the Word of God themselves and that but seldome But they doe restraine the painfull preaching of others both for Lectures and for afternoon Sermons on the Sabbath day 3. They do countenance and have of late encouraged Papists Priests and Arminian both Bookes and persons 4. They hinder good and godly books to be printed yet they do licence to be published many popish Arminian and other dangerous tenents 5. They have deformed our Churches with popish pictures and suited them with Romish Altars 6. They have of late extolled and commended much the Church of Rome denying the Pope to be Antichrist affirming the Church of Rome to be a true Church in fundamentals 7. They have practised and inforced antiquated and obsolete ceremonies as standing at the Hymnes at Gloria patri and turning to the East at severall parts of the Divine Service bowing to the Altar which they tearm the place of Gods residence upon earth the reading of a second service at the Altar and denying the holy Sacrament of the Eucharist to such as have not come up to a new set Rayle before the Altar 8. They have made and contrived illegall Canons and Constitutions and framed a most pernitious and desperate oath an oath of covenant and confederacy for their owne Hierarchicall greatnesse beside many other dangerous and pernicious passages in the said Canons 9. They doe dispence with plurality of Benefices they do both prohibite and grant marriages neither of them by the rule of Law or conscience but do prohibite that they may grant and grant that they may have money 10. They have procured a licencious liberty for the Lords day but have pressed the strict observation of Saints holidaies and do punish suspend degrade deprive godly Ministers for not publishing a Book for liberty of sports on the Sabbath day 11. They doe generally abuse the great ordinance of excommunication making sometimes a gaine of it to the great discomfort of many poore soules who for want of money can get no absolution 12. They claime their Office and jurisdiction to be jure divino and do exercise the same contrary to law in their own names and under their own Seales 13. They receive and take upon them temporall honours dignities places and offices in the Comonwealth as if it were lawfull for them to use both Swords 14. They take cognisance in their Courts and elsewhere of matters determinable at the Common law 15. They put Ministers upon Parishes without the patron and without the peoples consent 16. They do yeerly impose oaths upon Churchwardens to the most apparent danger of filling the Land with perjury 17. They do exercise oathes ex officio in the nature of an Inquisition even into the thoughts of men 18. They have apprehended men by Pursivants without citation or missives first sent they break up mens houses and studies taking away what they please 19. They do awe the Iudges of the Land with their greatnesse to the inhibiting of prohibitions and hindring of habeas Corpus when it is due 20. They are strongly suspected to be confederate with the Roman party in this Land and with them to be authors contrivers or consenters to the present commotions in the North the rather because of a contribution by the Clergy and by the Papists in the last yeer 1639. and because of an ill named benevolence of six Subsidies granted or intended to be granted this present yeare 1640. thereby and with these moneys to engage as much as in them lay the two Nations into blood It is therefore humbly and earnestly prayed that this Hierarchicall power may be totally abrogated if the wisdome of this Honourable House shall find that it cannot be maintained by Gods Word and to his glory And we your Petitioners shall ever pray c. Section V. Upon occasion of what I said of the late Canons I might easily have pressed the abolition of the founders and of the whole order of prelacy And surely if it had been my wish I would as others have so exprest my selfe Here followes my argument against these Canons and that chiefly aymed against the founders of them yet nothing of Root and Branch therein 14. Decemb. 1640. M. Speaker THat the late Canons are invalidous it will easily appeare and that they are so originally in the foundation or rather in the founders of them I will assume upon my selfe to demonstrate having first intimated my sense by way of preparative The Pope as they say hath a
time of extirpation and abolition of any more then his Archiepiscopacy our professed rooters themselves many of them at that houre had I perswade my selfe more moderate hopes then since are entertained A severe reformation was a sweet song then I am and ever was for that and for no more It is objected that I goe counter to what I have publikly asserted in the House have patience and take a copy of what I have spoken in matter of Religion Section II. Novemb. 10. 1640. Mr. Speaker YEsterday the great affaires of this House did borrow all the time allotted to the great Committee for Religion I am sorry that having but halfe a day in a whole week we have lost that Mr. Speaker It hath pleased God to put into the heart of his Majesty for the Kings heart is in the hand of the Lord once more to asseble us into a Senate to consult upon the unhappy distractions the sad dangers and the much feared ruins of this late flourishing Church and Kingdome God be praised both for his goodnesse and for his severity whereby he hath impelled this meeting and humble thanks unto his Majesty whose parentall care of us his Subjects is willing to relieve us The sufferances that we have undergone are reducible to two heads The first concerning the Church the second belonging to the Common-wealth The first of these must have the first fruits of this Parliament as being the first in weight and worth and more immediate to the honour of God and his glory every dramme whereof is worth the whole weight of a Kingdome The Common-wealth it is true is full of apparent dangers The sword is come home unto us and the two twin-Nations united together under one royall head brethren together in the bowels and the bosome of the same Island and which is above all imbanded together with the same Religion I say the same Religion by a devillish machination like to be fatally imbrued in each others blood ready to dig each others grave Quantillum ab●uit For other grievances also the poore disheartned subject sadly groanes not able to distinguish betwixt Power and Law And with a weeping heart no question hath prayed for this hower in hope to be relieved and to know hereafter whether any thing he hath besides his poore part and portion of the Common ayre he breathes may be truly called his own These Mr. Speaker and many other doe deserve and must shortly have our deep regard but Suo gradu not in the first place There is a unum necessarium above all our worldly sufferances and dangers Religion the immediate service due unto the honour of Almighty God And herein let us all be confident that all our consultations will prove unprosperous if we put any determination before that of Religion For my part Let the Sword reach from the North to the South and a generall perdition of all our remaining right and safety threaten us in open view it shall be so farre from making me to decline the first setling of Religion that I shall ever argue and rather conclude it thus The more great the more imminent our perils of this world are the stronger and quicker ought our care to be for the glory of God and the pure Law of our soules If then M. Speaker it may passe with full allowance that all our cares may give way unto the treaty of Religion I will reduce that also to be considered under two heads first of Ecclesiasticke persons then of Ecclesiasticke causes Let no man start or be affrighted at the imagined length of this consultation it will not it cannot take up so much time as it is worth This it is God and the King this is God and the Kingdom nay this is God and the two Kingdomes cause And therefore M. Speaker my humble motion is that we may all of us seriously speedily and heartily enter upon this the best the greatest the most important cause we can treat of Now M. Speaker in pursuit of my own motion and to make a little enterance into this great affaire I will present unto you the petition of a poore oppressed Minister in the County of Kent A man Orthodox in his doctrine conformable in his life laborious in the Ministery as any we have or I doe know He is now a sufferer as all good men are under the generall obloquy of a Puritan as with other things was excellently delivered by that silver trumpet at the Barre The Pursivant watches his doore and divides him and his Cure asunder to both their griefes For it is not with him as perhaps with some that set the Pursivant at worke gladded of an excuse to be out of their pulpit It is his delight to Preach About a week since I went over to Lambeth to move that great Bishop too great indeed to take this danger off from this Minister and to recall the Pursivant And withall I did undertake for Master Wilson for so your Petitioner is called that he should answer his accusers in any of the Kings Courts at Westminster The Bishop made me answer as neere as I can remember in haec verba I am sure that he wil not be absent from his Cure a twelve-moneth together and then I doubt not but once in a yeere we shall have him This was all I could obtaine but I hope by the help of this house before this yeere of threats run round His Grace will either have more Grace or no Grace at all For our manifold griefes doe fill a mighty and a vast circumference yet so that from every part our lines of sorrow doe lead unto him and point at him the Center from whence our miseries in this Church and many of them in the Common-wealth do flow Let the Petition be read and let us enter upon the worke WHat is here for Root and Branch I can not find a line that I can wish unsaid nor do I read a letter that I would go lesse in It is replied that the petitioner M. Wilson is a man for Root and Branch if he be that was no part of his petition nor indeed any part of my knowledge then I am no more obliged to answer herein then I am bound to own and defend M. Wilson if he should hereafter cast aside the cōmon prayer what were that to me or to what I then did say sure I am that I was well assured that he did not allow of separation then and that he had been a powerfull perswader of others not to withdraw from our publike Service And I thinke so well of his goodnesse temper and conscience that he will not easily be led away to these mistaking excesses Section III. THE next is that which I spake in the grand Committee of the whole House for Religion M. White holding that Chaire whereof this is a copy 23. Novem. 1640. M. White YOu have many private Petitions give me leave by word of mouth to interpose one more
without a too meane demission I may say debasing of many other of the same order Nay this Bishop not content with Ecclesiastick pride alone will swell also with ambition and Offices secular Truly Sir you have done exceeding well to Vote away this Bishop for of this Bishop and of this alone I must understand the Vote you have passed untill I be better instructed for your Vote is against the present Episcopacy and for the present you can hardly finde any other Episcopacy but this an authority how ever by some of them better exercised yet too solely entrusted to them all Away then with this Lordly domineerer who plays the Monarch perhaps the Tyrant in a Diocesse of him it is of whom I read Episcopalis dignitas papalem fastum redolet This kind of Episcopacy it smels ranke of the Papacy nor shall you ever be able utterly and absolutely to extirpate Popery unlesse you root out this soleship of Episcopacy To conclude in short and plaine English I am for abolishing of our present Episcopacy Both Diocesses and Diocesan as now they are But I am withall at the same time for restauration of the pure Primitive Episcopall Presidency Cut off the usurped adjuncts of our present Episcopacy reduce the ancient Episcopacy such as it was in puris spiritualibus Both may be done with the same hand and I thinke in a shorter Bill then is offered now by way of addition Downe then with our Prelaticall Hierarchy or Hierarchicall Prelacy such as now we have most of it consisting in temporall adjuncts onely the Diana and the Idoll of proud and lazy Church-men This doe but eâ lege on this condition that with the same hand in the same Bill we doe gently raise againe even from under the ruines of that Babel such an Episcopacy such a Presidency as is venerable in its antiquity and purity and most behoovefull for the peace of our Christendome This is the way of Reforming and thus by yeelding to the present storme and throwing that over-board which is adventitious borrowed and undue Peace may be brought home unto our Church againe the best of that building and the truth of ancient Episcopacy may be preserved otherwise we hazard all This would be glorious for us and for our Religion and the glory thereof will be the greater because it redounds unto the God of glory My motion is that those sheets last presented to you may be laid by and that we may proceed to reduce againe the old originall Episcopacy This being thus delivered and upon report being mis-resented abroad a stranger came to me the next day and with much shew of love and sorrow told me that I had lost by this speech the prayers of thousands in the City Very many others have since beene with me to try my temper but I have found in them all all that are absolutely Anti-Episcopall so much more of entreaty then of argument that indeed they have proved themselves as Bishops unto me for I have received Confirmation from them Section X. SInce the late Recesse some endeavours of mine have beene reported more distastive then before insomuch as that a lying generation gave it forth some that I was expelled the house others that I was in the Tower for what I had spoken The first passage was next morning after our meeting upon occasion then offered by way of complaint for not obeying the late Order of the 8 of September The complaint came from some Parishioners of Criplegate And thus I did on the sudden then deliver my selfe which presently I reduced into writing 21 Octob. 1641. M. Speaker It is very true as is instanced unto you that your late order and declaration of the 8 and 9 of September are much debated and disputed abroad perhaps it may be a good occasion for us to re-dispute them here The intent of your Order to me seemes doubtfull and therfore I am bold for my owne instruction humbly to propound two quaeres 1. How farre an Order of this House is binding 2. Whether this particular Order be continuant or expired Your Orders I am out of doubt are powerfull if they be grounded upon the lawes of the Land Upon that warranty we may by an Order enforce any thing that is undoubtedly so grounded and by the same rule we may abrogate whatsoever is introduced contrary to the undoubted foundation of our Lawes But Sir this Order is of another nature another temper especially in one part of it Of which in particular at some other time Sir There want not some abroad men of birth quality and Fortunes such as know the strength of our Votes here as well as some of us I speake my owne infirmities men of the best worth and of good affyance in us and no way obnoxious to us They know they sent us hither as their Trustees to make and unmake Lawes They know they did not send us hither to rule and governe them by arbitrary revocable and disputable Orders especially in Religion No time is fit for that and this time as unfit as any I desire to be instructed herein M. Speaker in the second place there is a question whether this Order whereupon your present complaint is grounded be permanent and binding or else expired and by our selves deserted I observe that your Order being made 8. September in hope then of concurrence therein by the Lords that fayling you did issue forth your last resolution by way of declaration9 September wherein thus you expresse your selfe That it may well be hoped when both Houses shall meet againe that the good propositions and preparations in the House of Commons for preventing the like grievances and reforming the disorders and abuses in matter of Religion may be brought to perfection wherefore you doe expect that the commons of this Realme doe in the meane time what obey and performe your Order made the day before no such thing but in the meane time quietly attend the Reformation intended These are your words and this my doubt upon them whether by these words you have not superseded your owne Order Sure I am the words doe beare this sence and good men may thinke and hope it was your meaning My humble motion therfore is this I beseech you to declare that upon this our Re-convention your order of the eighth of September is out of date And that the Cōmons of England must as you say quietly attend the Reformation intended which certainly is intended to be perfected up into Acts of Parliament And in the meane time that they must patiently endure the present Lawes untill you can make new or mend the old Section XI THe promise made in my last hath not beene performed in the House nor is now like to be The reason is there is now no probability that we shall debate the validity of our order of the eighth of September A day indeed Saterday the sixth of November was by order fixed for that theame but other affaires diverted