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An ansvver of both Houses of Parliament to His Majesties last message. Agreed on Munday the 30 of Octo. 1648 to be sent by Sir Peter Killeygrew. With further instructions to the commissioners. And the copies of severall votes of the House of Commons. And instructions concerning the army.
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AN ANSVVER of Both Houses of Parliament TO His Majesties LAST Message Agreed on Munday the 30 of Octo. 1648 to be sent by Sir Peter Killeygrew WITH Further Instructions to the Commissioners AND The Copies of severall Votes of the House of COMMONS And Instructions concerning the Army LONDON Printed for H. Becke and are to be sold in the Old Bayley 1648. AN Answer of both Houses of Parliament to His Majesties last Message Die Lunae Octob. 30. 1648. FIRST REsolved by the Lords and Commons in Parliament assembled that His Majesties Paper concerning Episcopacy of Newport 31 Octob. 1648. by which it is said that HIs Majesty conceives that his former Answers to your Propositions concerning the Church would have given more sati faction to his two Houses then is expressed in your papers of the 16 and 17. of this Instant as containing in them if considered in their sull extent Concessions of the most material things desired and therefore for a Declaration of his intentions by these former Answers as for a further and finall Answer to the said Propositions and Paper of the 19th His Majesty saith as followeth That albeit for the reasons expressed in his former Paper he cannot consent to a Bill and the Ordinance for abolishing of Bishops yet for the satisfaction of his two Houses and setling the publique peace he will consent to a Bill for the taking away of al Archbishops Chancellors Commissioners Deans and Sub-Deans Deans and Chapters Arch-Deacons Canons and Prebendaties all Chanters Chancellors Treasurers Sub-Treasurers Subcenters and Sacrists and all Choral and Choristers old Vicars and new Vicars of any Cathedral or Collegiat Church and all other their under Officers but of the Church of England and Dominion of Wales and out of the Church of Ireland and further his Miesty will consent to suspend the exercise of all Episcopal Government for the space of three years and hath consented will consent to confirm the form of Church Government now presented unto him for the space of 3 years and that no other shall be used during the said time In which time his Majesty continues his desire that a consultation with the Assembly of Divines at Westmin 20 of his own nomination being added to his end his Majesty and his two Houses may within these 3 years informs 〈…〉 the practise of the Primitive Church in 〈…〉 Episâ—â—â—â—cy and may accordingly agree in limiting the Bishops to the 〈◊〉 and aâ—â—istâ—â—ce of Preâ—bitery and in the exercise of their jurisdiction and … ing their â—â—â—â—er if it be thought fit And his Majesty will consent that in calen◠〈…〉 shall be agreed on within the said 3 years then after the said time the powr of ordination shall not be exercised by Bishops without the counccil and assistance of Prosbyters and that no other Episcopall Jurisdiction shall be exercised by Bishops without the councell and assistance of Presbyters and that no other Jurisdiction shall be exercised by Bishops but such and in such manner as shall be agreed on by his Majesty and his we Houses of Parliament And his Majesty doth prosesse that if in that time he be convinced that the function of Bishops is not agreable to the Word of God or that Christ commanded any other Government he will chearfully imbrace that and take away Episcopacy but untill hee bee convinced he beleeves himselfe bound in conscience to uphold that function as is above expressed That this Answer â—from His Majesty is not satisfactory 2 Resolved upon the Question that His Majesties Paper of Octob. 21. Concerning The Ordinances for the settling the Bishops Lards upon Trustees and so the sale of those Lands though his Majesty upon consciencious scruples wherein hâ— hath the concurrent opinion of the Divines as well of the Reformed as other Churches hath not consented thereunto yet he hath offered satisfaction to all such as purchased any of those Lands or disbursed mony upon that security by legall estates for lives or yeares not exceeding 99 yeares reserving onely the propriety and Inheritance of those Lands to the Church and Churchmen and the old rent or other moderate rents for their maintenance and that if those Leases shall not suffice his Majesty would propound and consent to some other way for their further satisfaction and therefore other satisfaction for those debts and engagements which were the motives for the sale of those Lands being proposed and his Majesty having herein condescended as fit as possibly he can he desires his two Houses would comply with his Majesty in this particular His Majesty hath offered by Act of Parliament to confirme the calling and fitting the Assembly of Divines as largely in the matter desired as the Ordinance it selfe proposed for that purpose He hath likewise offered to continue the pub ique use of the Directory in all Churches and Chappels as is desired in your Proposition And to consent to the repeale of so much of all Statutes as concerne the Books of Common-prayer and to take the same away out of all Churches and Chappels except his Majesties Chappell where hee intends the use thereof may be continued for himselfe and his houshold untill another publique Forme of Prayer should be agreed on by his Majesty and his two Houses His Majesty hath likewise consented to the Bill for suppressing Innovations wherein they 〈…〉 provision for the due observation of the Lords day and offered if that was not sufficient to consent to the matter of the Ordinance for observation hereof as fully as is desired But for the Ordinances presented to his Majesty which concerne the Assembly of Divines the Directory the taking away the Bookes of Common prayer and the observation of the Lords day many expressions therein require nebessary alterations in respect of some things happening since their first framing others reflect on former established Laws and other matters not necessary and therefore though he consented to the matter therein desired yet hee could not confirme those Judiciall Ordinances in terâ—iniâ— as they are penned Whereas you conceive his Majesty did not give his Assent to the Bill for the better advancement of the Preaching of Gods Holy Word in all parts of this Kingdome his Majesty by his former Answer did sufficiently expresse his consent thereunto by consenting to the Bill for suppressing of Innovations in which that for the advancement of Preaching is included And his Majesty doth againe give consent thereunto as also to the Bill against enjoying Pluralities of Benefices by Spirituall persens and non Residency formerly delivered to his Majesty as is desired in the Propositions This Answer from his Majesty is not satisfactory 3 Resolved by the Lords and Commons that His Majesties Paper of Octob. 21. Touching Reformation of Religion Whereas you say his Majesties Answer comes far short of the Proposition which desires that his Majesty should consent that Reformation of Religion according to the Covenant bee settled in such manner as both Houses have agreed or shall agree upon
after Consultation had with the Assembly of Divines his Majesty saith That he hath answered all the particulars which are set dowâ—e as branches of that generall Proposition and cannot thinâ—e that it will bee expected that he should oblige himselfe gene rally to what his two Houses shall hereafter agree touching matters of Religion ' before he be satisfied of the nature thereof His Majesty conceives that he had given a full answer to your Proposition for an Act or Acts to be passed for a stricter course to be taken to prevent the saying or hearing of Masse in the Court or any other part of this Kingdome or the Kingdome of Ireland he having consented thereunto with exemption onely of the Queen and her Family few whereof are of her Profession according to the Articles of Marriage agreed on betwixt the two Crownes which his Majesty conceives his two Houses will not advise him to breake And as for restraining the accesse of all others but her Family and in all things else his Majesty consents to that Proposition as is desired This Answer from His Majesty is not satisfactory 4. Resolved c. Touching the Covenant his Majesty answers as formerly that he remains yet unsatisfactory to take it or impose it upon others and conceives it not proper to be insisted on at this time and that the end thereof without taking it will bee obtained by this agreement if happily concluded For the Articles of Religion presented to his Majesty which are desired to be confirmed by Act of Parliament his Majesty hath already answered that he had not yet time to peruse them with that deliberation as is requisite before hee birde up himselfe and his subjects in mtters of Faith and Doctrine and conceives his Houses will thinke it not improper to respite the confideration of them to a further tune considering how perilous definitions are in matters of Religion how long time he Articles have been in framing and that since the beginning of this Treaty and not before they came intâ—â—ely to his Majesties view His Majesty having so far consented to the severall particulars of this Proposition that the remaining differences are very few doth therefore earnestly desire his two Houses that they may be no obstacle to the settlement of the blessed Peace now in hand This Answer from His Majesty is not satisfactory Die Lunae 30 Octob. 1648. SIR Peter Kileygrew is to carry the Votes at large from both Houses of Parliament to the Commissioners And a Letter to desire them to go on in the Treaty with His Majesty according to their Instructions for a safe and well-grounded peace Die Sabbati 21 Octob. 1648. ORdered by the Commons assembled in Parliament That the Committee of Sequestrations in London be summoned to give an account to this House on Munday morning next what they have done upon the Order of this House of the 7 of Octob. 1648. injoyning them to leavy the Arrears due by severall persons for the Assessement of the Army mentioned in the said Order upon their estates H. Elsynge Cler. Parl. Dom. Com. Die Sabbati 21 Octob. 1648. ACcording to former Order the Commons resumed the consideration of the Reports made from the Committee of the Army in order to the taking off free-Quarter And the Instructions given the last yeare for bringing in the Arreares of the Assessements and the Ordinance for them passed concerning Free-Quarter were read 1 Resolved c. That Members be imployed to use their best indeavours to bring in the Arreares of the Assessements for the Army to the end Free-Quarter may be taken off 2 Resolved c. That Members of this House be sent down to the Generall to conferre with him and his Officers such as they shall appoint how the Army and all other Forces may be redused to the establishment and how those Forces that are to be reduced may have satisfaction 3 Resolved c. That this Committee shall have power to consider with the Generall and such Officers as he shall appoint how the Army may have satisfaction for the pay due since the 15th of January 1647. And that consideration may bee likewise had of the Free-Quarters taken upon the Country since the said 15th of Jan. That satisfaction may be given them 4 Resolved c. That the Committee have likewise power to confer with the Generall and such Officers as he shall appoint how the Army may with the most conveniency be quartered according to former Instructions and directions Mr. Scawen Sir Will. Litton Sir Rich. Onslowe Mr. Preistley Cap. Wingate Col. Birch Sir Thâ— Dacres Mr. Lemmon This Committee or any three of them are appointed to go unto the Generall upon the voteâ— aforesaid H. Elsyinge Cler. Par. D. Com. Ordered by the Commons Assembled in Parliament 1 THat the Committee of the Army do give their Warrant to the Treasurers of War to satisfie and pay unto the Members of the Committee of the Army imployed by this House into several Counties upon the publique service The expenses and charges they were at in the discharge of that imployment 2 That the Members of the Committee of the Army that were imployed in the severall Counties upon the service of the house have the thanks of this house given unto them for their good services Mr. Scawen then present had accordingly the thanks of this house given him by Mr. Speaker H. Elsynge Cler. Par. D. Com. Resolved c. That it be referred to the Committee of the Army to bring in the names of 10. Delinquents not yet engaged whose estates or compositions may bee converted to the use of the Army H. Elsyng Cler. Par. D. Com. FINIS