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A27046	A third defence of the cause of peace proving 1. the need of our concord, 2. the impossibility of it, on the terms of the present impositions against the accusations and storms of, viz., Mr. John Hinckley, a nameless impleader, a nameless reflector, or Speculum, &c., Mr. John Cheny's second accusation, Mr. Roger L'Strange, justice, &c., the Dialogue between the Pope and a fanatic, J. Varney's phanatic Prophesie / by Richard Baxter.	Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691.	1681 (1681)	Wing B1419; ESTC R647	161,764	297

Conformists that desired a Deliverance But this proveth not that the Parliament was Presbyterians then much less that they were so before the Wars But you that meddle not with Lay-men remember that Lay-men sent those Propasitions You next tell me of Alderman Pennington and the Apprentices Answ 1. Few of those Apprentices knew what Presbytery was but were exasperated against Episcopacy for the sake of the present Bishops as the common people be now within these nine years thinking that it 's they that silence their Teachers and cause all our Divisions But alas little knew they what Church-Government to desire But most that were in judgment against Episcopacy were Independents and Separatists then And how inconsiderable a number in London were those Apprentices 2. And our Question is not what Party of Lads or Apprentices or Women did clamour against Bishops But what Party it was that raised the War Did these Lads give the Earl of Essex his Commission But you find none that said any thing against their Petition but the Lord Digby Answ And hath not he forsaken you also 1. Where did you seek to find it Not in the Parliament Journal sure else you might have found more 2. The truth is the Episcopal Parliament themselves perceiving what Party they must trust to opposed not those Petitions because the Petitioners might serve their turns and I doubt were too well contented with them But as no man must say that the King had the Spirit of Popery because he was willing that the Papists should help him So no man can prove that the Episcopal Parliament had the Spirit of Presbytery or were against Episcopacy it self because they were willing to be helped by all sorts who on a sudden were fallen out with Bishops The truth is the suspending and silencing of Ministers and the cropping the Ears and stigmatizing Prin with Burton and Bastwick had suddenly raised in the London Apprentices and others a great distate of the Bishops though they knew little of any Controversies about Church-Government at all When you say that Episcopacy or rather Bishops Lands was the Palladium c. 1. Episcopacy was not so till after the Army was raised It was so no doubt in the private designs of some particular men Apprentices and Women in the City and Kingdom that is all that were against it desired it should fall And many that were Episcopal desired that it should rather fall than the Abuses of it continue by such men as they thought would else ruine Church and State thinking that there was no other way to save them so far did different apprehensions about Propriety Liberty Popery and Arminianism carry men from one another who were all for Episcopacy But forget not 1. That it is the major Vote of the Parliament and not a few secret designers within or without doors that is the Parliament 2. That it was the Parliament that raised the Militia and Armies 3. That this Parliament was not at that time against Episcopacy Therefore your talk of the Isle of Wight so long after is liker a Jest than serious Besides that you seem ignorant of the Parliament resolved to accept of the Kings Concessions as Prins long Printed Speech will shew you and therefore immediately before they should have voted that closure were pulled out by Cromwell who had secret intelligence what they were going to do 2. And your oblivion caused you by your Parenthesis to contradict what you have hitherto said your self For if it were Bishops Lands rather than Bishops that they would have down it implyeth that they were not Presbyterians nor against Episcopacy Would you make an English-man of this age believe that none of your own Church have an appetite to Bishops Lands Try them and they will confute you more effectually than I can Do you think that of the Multitude that now drink and ●rant and roar and whore and rob there are none whose Consciences could be content that Bishops fell that they might have their Lands you will say perhaps these are not truly for Episcopacy Ridiculous Must we write Histories out of mens secret thoughts and hearts and call men only what they are conscientiously and in sincerity Who knoweth another mans sincerity but God Come into London or go among these Gallants and tell them that they are not Sons of the Church if you dare Hearken whether they talk not more for Bishops than for any other Sect Whether they do not curse and damn the Presbyterians and Fanaticks and their Conventicles and deride their Preaching and praying and say as bad of them as you can wish them Though I know that too great abundance since our silencing are fallen off from you to Infidelity or Atheism and to make a Jest of the Sacred Scriptures and the Papists say that very many thousands are turned to them yet I speak of those that still call themselves Protestants of the Church of England Really if you will take none to be of your Church that would sell the Bishops Lands or none that are not conscientiously for you I doubt your Church yet will prove invisible and as little as some of the housed Sects And if that will serve your turn I pray deal equally and let the Sectaries also have leave to say of any of their Party that killed the King or were guilty of Treason he was not truly one of us The War was first called Bellum Episcopale by the Parliament-men because they thought or said that Land and his Adherents were the Causes of it by seeking to reduce the Scots to their will and to set up Altars and other Innovations in England But not because the Parliament at that time renounced Episcopacy it self As to the particular Members of the Armies I confess I did know them better than you I speak not of Fairfax or Cromwell's Army but of Essex's And it s well that you have so much modesty as not to deny that they were Episcopal or no Presbyterians But you venture to say of those yet living That they were so whilst they assisted in the support of the late Cause I have not so far renounced my Reason and Experience as to fall in with your account And if we persevere in this new Doctrine we shall be as distant as the two Poles Answ Now you are at your Strength your Confidence and Resolution to believe or say you believe as you do is all the life of your Cause It is now taken for no dishonour to the greatest Lords to say that they are for Episcopacy There are yet living the Earl of Bedford the Earl of Denbeigh the Earl of Stamford the Lord Grey of Warke the Lord Hollis the Lord Asthey the Lord Roberts the Earl of Anglesey though he be no Souldier Major General Morgan Mr. G. Massey Sir John Gell and many more Enquire of themselves or any that know them whether they were ever Presbyterians or against a moderate Episcopacy Sir William Waller was most called a Presbyterian

in possession Not only the Synods in Martius time that owned Maximus but Ambrose and Theopl Alexand to Eugenius and Gregory the first and many Western Bishops and ordinarily far most of the Eastern Bishops presently owned Usurpers that came into the Empire by the Murder or Deposition of their Predecessors And are all these Fathers and Christians damn'd 5. The Liturgie requires that when such are Buried they are openly pronounced saved that is That God of his great Mercy hath taken to himself their Souls out of the miseries of this Life and that we hope to be with them We must be Silenced and Imprisoned if we will not say this and subscribe to it and reproached if we do This is the Conformity which they would have us yield 6. Do you not tremble your self when you question whether they be not gone to a worse place and revile us for the hopes of their Salvation Doth not your Conscience ask If such men be not saved what will become of me that deliberately write such Volumes of Falshoods against God's true Servants and their present serving him as if they must cease Preaching and all Church-worship till they dare Conform to all imposed O why will you condemn your self in others 7. I finde many of your selves honouring Bishop Jewel Bishop Bilson and Mr. Hooker and such others that held the Principles which those men went upon and you never yet that I heard of reviled any man for hoping that they were saved No nor Grotius nor Barclay nor the common sort of Lawyers and Politick-Writers that have said more of the Cases in which Kings may be Resisted and Deposed than they did or than I ever said If such Principles may stand with the Salvation of Grotius Hooker Bilson Althusius Alstedius Willius c. Why not of theirs that I have mentioned 8. You know I suppose that it was mostly Episcopal men that began the War Lords Commons and Souldiers on both sides If you will not know and can be ignorant when you list your Will hath a freedom which mine hath not And are you sure that your Conformists also are damned 9. You hereby teach them that are confident that the Laudian Clergie were the chief Causers of the War to conclude therefore that they are damned And so our Clergy on both sides will be like Gregory the Seventh's and the Emperour 's in Germany first exciting and encouraging the Princes and People of the two sides and then taking Oaths against each other and lastly damning one another till a Reverend Council of Bishops Decreed that all the Bishops on the Emperours side should be Deposed and the Dead digg'd out of their Graves and burnt 10. You will open the eyes of the people to see what manner of Spirit you are of and that it is no wonder if you cannot endure us to Preach and Live by you who take us for Criminal for hoping that men are saved who otherwise were of most exemplary Lives but being in point of Politiques on the Parliaments side and doing accordingly while they professed to arm only against Subjects holding the person of the King to be inviolable I finde not that even in the Barons Wars or the Wars between the Houses of Lancaster and York no nor King Stephens the Censures were so high Anselme Archbishop of Canterbury is Sainted that was against his King § 17. The second Charge is my Vindicating the Parliaments War against the King Answ 1. I believed then that it was not against him when their Commissions were for him 2. I proposed my Reasons upon a Learned Knights demand requesting satisfaction by an Answer And had you or any of you ever since confuted them it had been more charity than only to Recite them and Condemn them But I have over and over publickly declared my revocation of that whole Book though not of all that 's in it and wisht that I had never written it for more Reasons than I will now name to you 3. My Judgment about the King's Power and our Obedience I have fully declared in The Second Plea for Peace § 18. The third Accusation is His pertinacious adhering to the Covenant Answ 1. The man knoweth that I own not the imposing it specially as a Test for the Nations Concord it being an engine of Division so imposed 2. That I own not the taking it so imposed 3. That I deny that it obligeth me to any thing that is evil yea or from any Obedience to the King in things lawful nor to any thing but what I have a former obligation to from God himself 4. But I confess that I dare not say that it obligeth no man to repent of his Sin nor to be against Popery Prophaneness or Schism nor to endeavour any amendment of Church-Government And I will not deny but that I take Perjury to be no indifferent thing which of these is the Crime of Adherence he tells me not 19. The next Accusation is Crying down the Royal Martyr as a Papist Answ I have said Till he tell me where and how he proveth it I must take him for a gross Calumniator and wonder not that he Conformeth In my Key for Catholicks he may see where I prove the contrary that the King was no Papist I will confess that which he knoweth not 1662 and 1663. when the Kings Letter in Spain to the Pope was Printed out of Mr. de Chesne by Prynne I was struck a while with doubt and suspicion But I soon considered 1. That the words promised but Endeavours for Unity 2. And that it was written in the Spaniards power in a streight § 20. The next is Crying up his Murderer Answ A repeated malicious falshood § 21. The next Accusation is His Principles in his Holy Commonwealth Answ 1. I oft told you The Book is revoked long ago 2. The Principles which I own I have published as aforesaid in the Third Plea and he doth not confute them 3. Of the Wars I spake before What other doth he name Bishop Morley recited many of them and the first as I remember was that I say That pretence to unlimited Monarchy is unlawful or Tyranny because God hath Limited all Humane Power If this be Heresie or Disloyalty I hold it still I mistake much if any Kings have Power from God to command all their Subjects to blaspheme or deny God or Christ or to renounce his hope of Heaven or to worship the Devil and sell his Soul to him nor to murder Father Mother Wife or Children I will venture to dispute this with any Conformist But as to the harder question Whether Kings may kill any or all their Senators or innocent Subjects for nothing or burn all their Cities or take all their Wives Children and Estates I will leave it to Statesmen to debate I am sorry that ever I wrote so much about their matters § 22. The next charge is His present practices in defending Schism Answ Prove it or number it with your