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A74937 The interest of England in the Irish transplantation, stated wherein is held forth (to all concerned in Irelands good settlement) the benefits the Irish transplantation will bring to each of them in particular, and to the Common-wealth in general, being chiefly intended as an answer to a scandalous, seditious pamphlet, entituled, The great case of transplantation in Ireland discussed. Composed and published at the request of several persons in eminent place in Ireland, to the end all who desire it, might have a true account of the proceedings that have been there in the business of transplantation, both as to the rise, progress, and end thereof. By a faithfull servant of the Common-wealth, Richard Laurence. Lawrence, Richard, d. 1684. 1655 (1655) Wing L678; Thomason E829_17; ESTC R179375 23,297 35

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doing thereof to give their Reasons for it but at present there is no such thing in preparation much less in practice The second mistake is his Arguments against a promiscuous Transplantation without respect to their merit or behaviours which as is before asserted is not so for there are several persons Irish Papists who upon that account of their merit as abovesaid and different affection from the rest manifested to the English in the late Rebellion are wholly exempted from Transplantation either as to their estates or persons nay as is before asserted not any of them that could produce testimony of their good will to the English interest or least good office done to an English person in extremity upon the account of an English-man but there is a mark of favour put upon him for it which being admitted the Discussors Maxime in Christian Religion in pag. 6 7. is no ways entrenched upon by the work of Transplantation but there is much ground to believe his shooting such poysoned Arrowes against Authority thus at the adventure was not so much to heal the Irish wounds as to wound and weaken the English Government and Interest there but innocency is the best Armour against such Darts The third Mistake the Discussor grounds his Discourse upon as in pag. 7. to the 15. is the Principle upon which the thing is done as if Transplantation were principally proposed as a Punishment for Murther or avenging the Bloud spilt in Ireland by the Rebellion in order to which he takes much pains to prove that after Justice is done upon capital Offenders and chief Ring-leaders in a Rebellion or Massacre that then the Body of the People or Commons as he calls them should partake of mercy c. This Position without further troubling our selves with his proofs may be admitted without any reflection upon the work of Transplantation or the Authority imposing or executing the same for the Parliament of England in the same Act of Settlement in which they make provision of a liberty to transplant doth there determine and appoint what the punishment of Murderers and chief Ring-leaders should be excepting of them therein from pardon both of Life and Estate c. And doth therein in pag. 2. declare To the end all the People of that Nation may know that it is not the intention of the Parliament to extirpate the whole Nation but that mercy and pardon both as to Life and Estate should be extended to all Husbandmen Ploughmen Laborers Artificers and others of the inferior sort in manner as is hereafter declared c. And in the Instructions for Transplanting before mentioned pag. 2. they say thus And to the end all persons in Ireland who have right to Articles or to any favor or mercy held forth by any the Qualifications in the Act of Parliament intituled An Act for the Settlement of Ireland may enjoy the benefit intended unto them and every of them respectively by the said Act It is thought fit and resolved That all and every the persons aforesaid shall before the first day of May 1654. remove and transplant themselves into Connaught c. Is there in all this one word tending to ground the Transplantation upon Principles in the extreme of Punishments or avenging of Bloud surely if a person in a work of this weight shall so grosly mistake in the very Essentials and Principles upon which his Discourse is founded there is little reason to expect soundness and truth in things more circumstantial and inferior But if I should proceed to take notice of all the rest of his mistakes absurdities and impertinencies as to the thing with those unjust and scandalous invectives against Authority in his Lines I should both have tyred my self in writing and you in reading thereof to little purpose But for the further clearing up the justice and rationality of this work admit it in some degree to be done upon the account of punishment which in a sense may be admitted for had they never offended they had never been liable thereto Therefore consider what punishment it was they did incurr by their offence which will be the better done First by considering the offence it self which was the most horrid causless Rebellion and bloudy Massacre that hath been heard of in these later Ages of the world and the Offenders not particular persons or parties of the Irish Nation for that had been another case but the whole Irish Nation it self consisting of Nobility Gentry Clergy and Commonalty are all engaged as one Nation in this Quarell to root out and wholly extirpate all English Protestants from amongst them who had for the most of them as legal and just right to their Estates and interest in Ireland as themselves many of them possessing nothing but what they had lawfully purchased and dearly paid for from the Irish and others of them possessing by right of Grant from the Crown of England time out of minde what they did enjoy and the Irish Nation enjoying equal privileges with the English if not much more as the Discussor confesseth pag. 20. the Lawyers were Irish the Jurors Irish most of the Judges Irish and the major part of the Parliament Irish and in all disputes between English and Irish the Irish were sure of the favour as he calls it so that they were under no provocation nor oppression under the English Government at that time when the bloudy Rebells in 1641. committed that inhumane Massacre upon a company of poor unarmed peaceable harmless people living quietly amongst them wherein neither Age nor Sex were spared but from the old man stooping for age to the Babe of a span long were their cruelties extended nay the Infants in the womb were not secure from their merciless butchery but even the women with childe were ript up Virgins deflowred and Wives ravished in the sight of their Parents and Husbands and then all destroyed together by the most inhuman cruelties that could be devised and not onely English people but English Cattle and Houses were destroyed for their being of an English kinde and all this as I said before without the least provocation yet this bloudy inhumane Act with all its agravations were espoused by this People as a National Quarel and a War waged thereupon and Councels constituted for the management thereof who were owned and submitted unto by the body of the People as their supreme legislative Authority in which rebellious practices and cruel War they persisted to the ruining of that flourishing Nation and making of it near a waste Wilderness thereby necessitating England in the time of its own Trouble to maintain an Army in Ireland to preserve a footing there and at last forced them to send over and maintain a potent Army greatly exhausting their Treasure and People to recover their Interest out of the hands of this bloudy Generation and bring the Offenders to condign punishment who had confidence notwithstanding what is before mentioned to dispute the surrender
Tories we play our Game in Irish with them wherein lies their excellency and skill but bringing them into a body confining them unto small Circuits together that if they will be Torying they may be Torying upon one another or otherwise if they have a minde to try their strength they may be forced to imbody you are in English with them wherein upon account of men you have the advantage much of them as experience teacheth But saith the Discussor this is the way to have Tories to transplant the Irish against which saith he pag. 27. they have 't is strange as great a resentment as against loss of Estate yea even against Death it self c. He might have left out his Parenthesis 't is strange for it is not strange they should especially such as are most intelligent and foreseeing among them and consider and esteem their rational interest for they discern well that the business of Transplantation doth more lay the Ax to the root of the Tree of their ●…ure hopes of recovering their lost Ground as to that then the whole fourteen years War hath done without it And therefore 〈◊〉 there were no more Arguments to prove the great concernment ●…f it as to the English interest the Irish great dislike of it were ●…fficient For it cannot be a personal or particular suffering that 〈◊〉 so much affect them therein For one hundred pound per an●…um in Connaught is as good as a hundred per annum in Lem●…r but it is the national interest more than their particulars that ●…y see in danger thereby added to that their unwillingness to ●…it the Possession of their ancient Inheritances and to be settled ●…on other mens Land in Connaught who it's like they may fore●… will bid them such welcome as they will bid the Souldiers and adventures upon their Lands such nicities as these are added to 〈◊〉 main business may trouble them but as to the particular ●…sistence and livelihood they do believe without doubt they 〈◊〉 and shall live as comfortably and plentifull in Connaught elsewhere in Ireland after they are settled But how if they will not go but turn Tories c. Truly if I were convinced there were impossibilities or desperate hazards attending them as to their being or probable comfortable beings I should be loth to have a hand in forcing them but if it be their dramm of rebellious bloud or fit of sullenness which the Discussor prophesies of in pag. 25. that alone is attended with sufficient Arguments to advise it may be put to the trial and that speedily before any more of the Army is disbanded for if the business of Transplantation will be a sufficient quarrel to engage them in a War again so soon they will not long want matter of equal weight with that to pick a quarrel with us and it 's like when they may be better and we worse prepared for if Ireland be not Transplantation-proof at present there is little ground to judg it will be long a quiet Habitation for the English and therefore though a War is to be avoided if possible by all good and safe means yet if they have a minde to it better now than afterwards and therefore there is much more danger not to do it than to do it upon that account Question But though there may seem to be some reason for the transplanting the Souldiers What reason is there the Land-lord or as they are called the Proprietors in Lands should be transplanted more than the Tenant qua Land-lord or Proprietor Answer The being a Land-lord or Proprietor singly considered as such is no fault neither is there any proceedings in the business of Transplantation can give reason for any dis-interessed ingenuous persons to conclude any man so suffers for then all Irish Papists being Land-lords or Proprietors should have been transplanted of course without distinction and if that were intended of what use is all that care and pains that hath been taken to discriminate as is before mentioned Therefore no person is by the Act and Instructions of Parliament for Transplantation or any Order since made in Ireland in the observance of them to be transplanted but such who are within some of the Qualifications therein mentioned and do challenge an Interest and Propriety in such part of their Lands as that Act gives them thereby by which challenge they do give Judgment against themselves by the tenor of that Act of Settlement that they have lived in Ireland since the beginning of the War and have not manifested their constant good affection to the Parliament of England during that time for which they have forfeited all that interest any such of them had in Lands in Ireland in the judgment of the Parliament declared in that Act and as it was in the power of the Parliament to appoint what part of their Estates so forfeited they should enjoy as an Act of Grace from them so was it equally in their power to assign what place in Ireland they should have such part of their forfeited Estates set out unto them in where it might most consist with the good Settlement and preservation of the English interest there And for such Proprietors of Lands in Ireland as will put themselves upon the proof of their constant good affection as I judg several will do the Authority there will readily admit the same and will be so far from transplanting such as shall by such legal trial acquit themselves of their supposed Delinquency against the State that they will rather rejoyce there is any of that Nation that have been so faithfull as to preserve themselves for fit objects of their especial favour and respect Question But are there not many others that are no Proprietors who have been equally guilty with them and yet are not transplanted with them And doth not that savour of partiality in the doing of justice Answer The thing it self may be granted and yet no partiality in the administration of Justice admitted for it is one thing to be a respecter of persons in Acts of Justice whereby one person shall come to bear more than his share in punishment and others less or to receive less than his right in Justice and others more and another thing to extend in Acts of Grace and Favour which is the present Case to some more and others less and therefore saith CHRIST Why should thine eye be evil because mine is good For if the Authority might justly have transplanted the whole the suspension or exemption of any part doth neither wrong especially when the Reason and Aims that lead to the difference bear a publick stamp as in order to the better settlement and fare●y to the Nation Question What are those publick Reasons and Aims that may direct to transplant the Proprietor rather than the Tenant Answer First there may be something said as to matter of merit wherein the Proprietors have generally deserved to suffer more than the Tenant and common Husbandman