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A48310 Memoranda : touching the oath ex officio, pretended self-accusation, and canonical purgation together with some notes about the making of some new, and alteration and explanation of some old laws, all most humbly submitted to the consideration of this Parliament / by Edw. Lake ... Lake, Edward, Sir, 1596 or 7-1674. 1662 (1662) Wing L188; ESTC R14261 107,287 162

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also the just privileges of Parliament explicitely have been made known that the Subject might not then have sworn or promised or protested to have maintained and observed them and yet could not possibly know what they were That due care should have been taken that they might have been observed and kept inviolable on all sides neither diminished nor scrued too high and both the Members of the Houses and the People to have had their just rights entire and for this purpose that that Protestation then put in by the The Bishops Protestation Lords Spiritual the Bishops with their Petition to have the force removed that kept them from the Lords House should have been well consider'd on and the right of Protestation in Parliament declared and maintained being a great privilege And whether after a just Protestation unjustly rejected and the Members kept out of the House by force that so protested and petitioned whether the other Members could then have proceeded further in the House In the late Kings time in the beginning of his Reign when the Earl of Arundel was imprisoned in the Tower about his sons marriage of the Duke of Lenox's daughter being of the Bloud Royal without the Kings consent the Lords would do nothing in their House till he was restored in regard he was committed onely for a misdemeanour and neither for Treason Felony nor breach of peace in which cases they then confessed a Member of Parliament in Parliament time might be kept prisoner The King none of the three Estates And the Lords Spiritual being one of the three Estates as 1 Eliz. 3. and elsewhere and the King being none of the three Estates the contrary whereof hath been falsly held but the Head and the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and the Commons being but Members and further the Lords Spiritual being one of the greatest Estates of the Realm as 8 Eliz. 1. Some doubted whether one of the Estates can destroy another and whether that come not near the contradicting that Axiom that the Parliament cannot be Felo de se whether that concerns not the Lords Temporal and Commons as well as the Lords Spiritual As for His late Majesties assent 't is known how far the prevalent power in both Houses then carried that and other things too to the misery of the Kingdom Who knows not in what condition the King then was forced to flye by reason of the tumults from Westminster to remoter places And as touching that Act of Parliament for their expulsion out of the Lords House it is not to be forgotten that when it was first brought into the Lords House it was rejected and ought not to have been brought in again that Session yet afterwards it was contrary to the order and course of Parliament brought in again when a great part of the Lords were absent if not upon just fears frighted out of the House and it being scarce safe for the King to deny them any thing in that dangerous condition he was then in As also that such Concessions or Acts as then contrary to the Kings free will were wrested from the King were not to be accounted legal or good or valid whereof several instances may be given heretofore of such and amongst the rest one 15 E. 3. the King then yielded to and granted certain Articles pretended at least to have the form of an Act or Statute of Parliament expresly contrary to the Laws of the Realm and his own Prerogative to which he had assented to eschew the dangers which by denying the same were like to follow in the same Parliament it was repealed in these very words following It seemed good to the said Earls Barons and other wise men that since the Statute did not proceed of our good will the same be void and ought not to have the name or strength of a Statute and therefore by their counsel and assent we have decreed the said Statute to be void c. And perhaps it deserves to be thought of how far in this case that Act of 42 E. 3. c. 1. reaches where it is set down that the great Charter should be kept in all points and if any Statute be made to the contrary it shall be holden for none And one especial Law in that Charter is for the preservation of the rights and liberties of the Church whereof this of the Lords Spiritual their liberty of sitting and voting in the Lords House is a known special liberty and privilege and most ancient Proceedings of the House of Commons If we look back to the Long Parliament was it not fit that that House of Commons should have been justly regulated to act no further or otherwise then according to their just power and the Commission and Summons by which they were called which Commission or Writ of Summons is the foundation of all power in Parliaments as it is well expressed by the Lords and Commons assembled at Oxford Declaration of the Treaty p. 15. What fearful exorbitances have been that way the more sad it is to remember the more care ought to be taken to prevent it for the future The House of Commons in former times being desired by the Lords Honse to consult with them de arduis regni negotiis to which the Lords are called and the House of Commons remembring their call and commission ad consentiendū hiis quae tunc ibidem c. as in their Writ of Summons humbly referred it back to the Lords as matters too high for them And it may seem against the honour and gravity of Parliaments or either House as also to the grievance of the Subject for both or either House or the Committees of either of them as in the Long Parliament to trouble themselves with matters of very small or inferiour nature much below them and in cases where the Law hath sufficiently provided remedy and is still in force to be executed by the proper Judges Were it in making new Laws thereabouts that ought to be so but I mean in making orders about the execution of such Laws which properly belong to the ordinary Judges thereof and are usnally executed by them especially touching inferiour matters it look'd then in that Long Parliament as though they would have swallowed up all other courts and made a kind of Justitium in them during the time of their Session such as medling with the appointing of Churchwardens and such like petty matters The late Long Parliament deviated much especially the pretended House of Commons then to omit as being too notoriously deplorable the Iliads of miseries this poor Nation hath thereby undergone besides that horrid one of the murther of our late King of ever blessed memory King Charles the first acted by a pretended House of Commons Was not that then too frequently practised worthy then of reformation that is the judiciary power being in the Lords House and the Commons House having power onely over their own Members in some cases and not having power so
may be supposed partiall and interessed Yet even in the subject matter of these Memoranda he is not unversed if not more particularly yet as comprehended in that generality of Learning and Knowledge whereto he hath from his younger yeares been habituated to at the feet of such a States-man as was his most accomplished Father and such Instructors as he by his especial and most discerning choice appointed him and all this perfected up by most advantagious acquisition by travel and residence in forraign parts amongst those who are justly ranked in the number of the most Civil Learned and Wise in Europe and so consequently in the Universe and so need not mine or others instruction herein more then others not professed Lawyers But all that is comprised in this Model both in the Memoranda's and the Notes somewhat grounded upon some yeares experience I have had and tending as before at least in my well-meaning opinion to the publick good solely is so most humbly offered to consideration if by those in Authority it be thought fit He is I conceive very fit to further and advance this both in consideration of his abilities and his being impowred as others of his noble rank and quality in the Supreme Judicatory of this Kingdom and by his own Genius and propensity willing and desirous to effect any thing ayming that way as less cannot be expected from the Son of such a Father and Husband of such a wife his most noble and most vertuous Lady a pair in respect of the mutual parity of their most intense conjugal affection and parentizing love to Loyalty Justice and Honour hereditary vertues flowing in their veines from their most Noble Loyally Gloriously Acting and Suffering Parents not easily parallel'd and therefore I have not so much Dedicated this to him as supplicated his effectual adminicular hand hereto Upon the whole matter as touching my self this Modell as also if not more especially the Notes subjoyn'd I having had no small share of Sufferings in the time of exilement of Monarch and Monarchy and so consequently of joy and gladness in the happy Restauration of both in my due gratitude and obligation both by tie of natural duty and of God and Mans Laws have made it part of my study to endeavour to contribute my well-meaning mite to the publick good and the prevention of such miseries for the future as too lately we have had too sad experience of Instances might be given of many that have published their endeavours heretofore to such publick ends which have not proved ineffectual and more especially Mr. Spencer touching the State of Ireland in Queen Elizabeths time If in any measure never so remote they may any whit help to attain to that end they aime at I shall be glad of it and with that true candour submissively offering them alwayes protesting as I now do that if there be any thing herein contrary to Gods word directly or indirectly or to His Majesties Prerogative or the known Laws of the Land Ecclesiastical or Temporal or the politick Government either in Church or State or which may give just offence I do hereby absolutely retract it as no wayes by me intended or thought of wishing this small taste may stir up others more able to make a further and better progress in this kind Anno 13. CAROLI II. Regis An Act for explanation of a Clause contained in an Act of Parliament made in the seventeenth year of the late King Charles entituled An Act for repeal of a branch of a Statute primo Elizabethae concerning Commissioners for Causes Ecclesiastical WHereas in an Act of Parliament made in the seventéenth year of the late King Charles entituled An Act for repeal of a branch of a Statute primo Elizabethae concerning Commissioners for Causes Ecclesiastical it is amongst other things enacted That no Archbishop Bishop nor Vicar General nor any Chancellor nor Commissary of any Archbishop Bishop or Vicar General nor any Ordinary whatsoever nor any other Spiritual or Ecclesiastical Iudge Officer or Minister of Iustice nor any other person or persons whatsoever exercising Spiritual or Ecclesiastical Power Authority or Iurisdiction by any Grant License or Commission of the Kings Majesty his Heirs or Successors or by any Power or Authority derived from the King his Heirs or Successors or otherwise shall from and after the first day of August which then shall be in the year of our Lord God One thousand six hundred for y one award impose or inflict any Pain Penalty Fine Amercement Imprisonment or other corporal punishment upon any of the Kings Subjects for any Contempt Misdemeanour Crime Offence matter or thing whatsoever belonging to Spiritual or Ecclesiastical Cognisance or Iurisdiction whereupon some doubt hath béen made that all ordinary Power of Coertion and Procéedings in Causes Ecclesiastical were taken away whereby the ordinary course of Iustice in Causes Ecclesiastical hath béen obstructed Be it therefore declared and Enacted by the Kings most excellent Majesty by and with the advice and consent of the Lords and Commons in this present Parliament assembled and by the Authority thereof That neither the said Act nor any thing therein contained doth or shall take away any ordinary Power or Authority from any of the said Archbishops Bishops or any other person or persons named as aforesaid but that they and every of them exercising Ecclesiastical Iurisdiction may procéed determine sentence execute and exercise all manner of Ecclesiastical Iurisdiction and all Censures and Coertions appertaining and belonging to the same before the making of the Act before recited in all causes and matters belonging to Ecclesiastical Iurisdiction according to the Kings Majesties Ecclesiastical Laws used and practised in this Realm in as ample manner and form as they did and might lawfully have done before the making of the said Act. And be it further enacted by the Authority aforesaid that the afore recited Act of decimo septimo Caroli and all the matters and clauses therein contained excepting what concerns the High Commission Court or the new erection of some such like Court by Commission shall be and is hereby repealed to all intents and purposes whatsoever Any thing clause or sentence in the said Act contained to the contrary notwithstanding Provided alwayes and it is hereby enacted That neither this Act nor any thing herein contained shall extend or be const●ued to revive or give force to the said branch of the said Statute made in the said first year of the Reign of the said late Quéen Elizabeth mentioned in the said Act of Parliament made in the said seventéenth year of the Reign of the said King Charles but that the said branch of the said Statute made in the said first year of the Reign of the said Quéen Elizabeth shall stand and be repealed in such sort as if this Act had never been made Provided also and it is hereby further enacted that it shall not be lawful for any Archbishop Bishop Vicar General Chancellor
Ecclesiastical or Civil within this Realm be not derived or claimed from the Crown as to the execution of it at least then the former objection were of force but another Act of Parliament 8 Eliz. c. 1. shews the contrary sufficiently where all Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction is acknowledged United to the Crown as there fully and that very clause 1 Eliz. 1. together with His Majesties Letters Patents directed forth for confirming Archbishops and Bishops is brought in the preamble thereof as a strong proof without scruple or ambiguity that the authority and jurisdiction by the Clergy executed is thereby given them from Her Majesty This also were there nothing else were sufficient to entitle them the Kings Majesties Ecclesiastical Laws as well as other Laws are called the Kings Majesties Laws But they are up and down in the Acts of Parliament called the Kings and the Queens Ecclesiastical Laws 1 Eliz. c. 2. 5 Eliz. c. 25. 25 H. 8.27 c. and even by the Note-gatherer that great oppugner against whom the Doctor writeth they are called the Ecclesiastical Laws of England And in this late Act above mentioned they are called the Kings Majesties Ecclesiastical Laws Yet for executing of these Laws by the Ecclesiastical Judges what out-cries were made against them especially in the beginning of the late Long Panliament by His late Majesty of blessed memory called the Black Parliament Summa imis miscendo and what favours were then afforded to those Boutefeu's as we have since had sad experience of them God grant we may be cafeful of them for the future I am unwilling to recite Ecclesiastical Judges are not onely tyed by their offices and * Canon 117. Canon Constitut 1604. Oaths but at least in some particulars for which they have though most unjustly been much clamour'd against are most severely by Act of Parliament charged to see the execution of if not of others too yet of one especial Ecclesiastical Law for their care wherein some of them have been well-nigh ruined that is that according to that Act of Parliament 1 Eliz. c. 2. For uniformity of Prayer and Administration of Sacraments every person should diligently and faithfully resort to their Parish Church or Chappel where Common prayer and such Services of God shall be used upon every Sunday and other dayes ordeined and used to be kept as Holy-dayes and then and there to abide orderly and soberly during the time of Common prayer Preaching or other Service of God to be used and ministred c. Then follows thus And for due execution hereof the Queens most excellent Majesty the Lords Temporal and all the Commons in this present Parliament assembled doth in Gods name earnestly require and charge all the Archbishops Bishops and other Ordinaries that they shall endeavour themselves to the utmost of their knowledge that the due and true execution hereof may be had throughout their Dioceses and charges as they will answer before God for such evils and plagues wherewith Almighty God may justly punish his people for neglecting this good and wholsome Law Who would think had we not sadly felt their designs that the great Magnifiers of Parliaments for which I discommend them not so they keep within due compass would have been so bitter against those that acted but according to these strict Parliamentary charges CHAP. III. The Heads of the several Chapters in that Apologie of Doctor Cosens Part 1. C. 1 THe particular distribution of causes proved to be of Ecclesiastical cognizance besides Testamentary and Matrimonial With a discourse of C. 2 Bishops Certificates against persons excommunicated being a special point of their voluntary Jurisdiction where there is no party that prosecuteth C. 3 That matters in the former Chapter adjoyned to Testamentary and Matrimonial causes though properly they be not of Testament or Matrimony are of Ecclesiastical cognizance and how far C. 4 General proofs out of Statutes that sundry other causes besides Testamentary and Matrimonial are of Ecclesiastical cognizance C. 5 That Suits for Tithes of Benefices upon voidance or spoliation likewise that Suits for Tithes Oblations Mortuaries and Pensions Procurations c. are of Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction is proved by Statutes especially C. 6 That Suits for right of Tithes belong to the Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction and how far is shewed out of the books and Reports of the Common Law so of places of Burial and Church-yards and of Pensions Mortuaries Oblations c. C. 7 Of right to have a Curate and of Contributions to Reparations and to other things required in Churches C. 8 Proofs in general that sundry crimes and offences are punishable by Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction and namely Idolatry Heresie Perjury or Laesio fidei and how far the last of these is there to be corrected also of disturbance of Divine Service or not frequenting of it and neglect of the Sacraments C. 9 That Simony Usury Defamation or Slander beating of a Clerk Sacrilege Brawling or Fighting in Church or Church-yard Dilapidations or waste of an Ecclesiastical Living and all Incontinency are punishable by Ecclesiastical authority and how far C. 10 Several other matters reckoned in this tenth Chapter as ordeining of real Compositions and disannulling of them suspension ab ingressu Ecclesiae c. Interdiction of a Church Sequestration Excommunication Parish-Clerks fees Goods due to a Church deteined Blasphemy Idolatry Apostasie from Christianity violation and prophanation of the Sabbath Subornation of Perjury Attestation of a womans chastity Drunkenness filthy speech violation of a Sequestration or Induction hindering and disturbance to carry away Tithes enjoyning of Penance corporal contempt of obeying the Decrees of the Ecclesiastical Judge Fees due in Ecclesiastical Courts Curates and Clerks wages Forgery in an Ecclesiastical matter as of Letters Testimonial of Orders of Institution burying of excommunicate persons communicating with excommunicate persons frequenters of Conventicles digging up of Corps buried and generally for any matter Ecclesiastical indefinitely by the Articuls cleri may be cited All these are of Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction and proofs that any Subjeet Lay or other may be cited in any cause Ecclesiastical C. 11 That Lay-men may be cited and urged to take Oaths in other causes then Testamentary and Matrimonial C. 12 The grounds of the opinions to the contrary examined and confuted C. 13 That judgment of Heresie still remaineth at the Common Law in Judges Ecclesiastical and that the Proviso touching Heresie in the Statute 1 Eliz. 1. is onely spoken of Ecclesiastical Commissioners thereby authorized C. 14 That by the Statute Her Majesty may commit authority and they may take and use for Ecclesiastical causes Attachments Imprisonments and Fines Herein he writes also how the Law was at that time C. 15 That an Ecclesiastical person may be deprived of his Benefice without indictment or prosecution of party C. 16 That after forty dayes an excommunicate person may be otherwise punished then upon the Writ De Excommunicato capiendo and that the said Writ may and ought to be awarded
given their Suffrage or Vote Negatively or Affirmatively upon the cause when it was to be reported though they have not heard the whole cause and sometimes but a small part of it Great numerous bodies being sometimes too ready to divide into parties and factions as hath been seen too often in that Long-Parliament and so consequently endeavouring to heighten their own side have taken hold of and created all occasions and advantages that might further it Oftentimes the Younger tyring and wearying out the Elder or more incurious Members by long Speeches and continuing the sitting of the House long and late in the night till it was grown thin and by the departure out of it of so many of the more Aged and less sedulous Members that the remaining party according to the destined and strongly preoperated design grew prevalent To instance no more and happy had it been for these miserable Kingdoms that it never could have been instanced that fatal great Declaration or as the late blessed King and Martyr called it the Appeal to the People hammer'd out that way by wearying out so many of the Members by sitting so long even all or the greatest part of the night may witnesse this to all posterity Which gave occasion to some to call it a Nocturnal Parliament but very appositely did Sir Benjamin Rudyard one of those ancient Members that was so wearied out when one asked him what he thought of that Vote so carried for that Declaration so late in the night or rather in the next morning answered that it looked like the verdict of a starved Jury Many other indirect wayes to call them no worse were used by interessed parties in that Long Parliament to compass their ends much by surprises when too many Members either wearied out as before or else gone out ither upon their pleasure or private concernments or thereupon absenting themselves from the House then the House being thin'd according to their desires they easily gained the major part of the suffrages or else clap'd in early into the House whilest the negligent party were in bed or absent upon their private business neglecting the publick to which they were called and so carried it and by such like wayes contrived and effected their laboured ends perhaps by their engines so laid to draw away many whose company they would gladly have been rid of out of the House and to keep them out when so absent or to hinder them from coming in at all Such may not improperly be called Parliament Decoyes or rather as in that Long Parliament when some of the Members impeached eleven of their number upon one of them in the charge against him they fixed the stigma of the Parliament-driver and when it made for them imputed it to him for a crime It would be voluminous to reckon up the several species of the sinister artifices and gins which were then dexterously us'd in that Long Parliament to promote unrighteous ends very often by tumults which were at the best of some factious persons by clamours and menaces as it were to force away such Members as they knew would oppose their designs By Petitions too which were but a kind of Tumults too in another dress and most shamefully carried on and gained many times whether we consider the inconsiderableness of the Petitioners Oyster-women Barbers School-boyes as in some Petitions against Bishops if not others as much if not more contemptible or whether we consider the number of the Petitioners many subscribing them that knew nothing of the contents of the Petition if not sometimes giving power with a strange implicite faith to cerrain men of their Faction to set to their hands to what Petitions soever their party should frame the Petitions perhaps framed in London and never sent into the Country but thousands of hands sent up in Schedules to be put to whatsoever the framers should please if not also which is much the same some Petitions sent up out of far distant remote parts from London with very many hands subscribed and the Petitions after they were come up to London altered and yet the same hands continued or set to it Insomuch as in the time of that Long Parliament it was at least once observed that some Petitions or a Petition with some thousands of hands subscribed and coming from some parts remote from London and brought into the House of Commons and there read in the morning took notice being mentioned in the body of the Petition of some passages of words spoken in the House the foregoing evening whereupon one merrily asked What notable Mercury had that last night gone from London into those remote parts and got so many hands in a nights time and brought them back thither that morning This did almost put some to the blush if that had been possible happy could it have suffundere sanguinem ruborem the want whereof did effundere sanguinem cruorem So common was this stratagem of Petitioning grown that it gave occasion to some Satyrist to paste up that Distich upon one of the Back-doors leading to the Lords House viz. Bellua multorum capitum ●…pulus suit olim At nunc multarum bellua fit manuum It was long before the Romans would publish a Law against Parricide and such unnatural and horrid crimes and the Historian gives the reason Ne dum prohibent jubent and haply that reason may well forbid me and others from too much enumerating the unjust subtilties and deceitful wayes of this kind and rather were it to be wished that if possible they were buried in perpetual oblivion and no Topicks were left of them except as Land-marks to avoid and detest them For which ends to good purpose perhaps it might be time well spent to ruminate upon the Journals of the Long Parliament with their Declarations Ordinances and Remonstrances and His Majesties Declarations answering and confuting them especially that of Aug. 12. 1642. For reformation of such obliquities of tireing out the Members and surprising of them in a thin House for as to that way of Petitions and Tumults 't is to be hoped it will not be attempted again Some wished this might have been remedied if thought fit by fixing a competent time for so many hours of the day to sit in not to be exceeded but by consent of the major part of the Houses to be constituted as hereafter followeth A competent number of Parliament-men to be at every debate That no Vote should have been passed in either House without a matter of two parts of three or more as should be agreed upon of the House heard the matter fully debated and that no matter to be debated should be propounded till such a number had been visibly present in the House which might at the first sight have been easily discerned if the seats in the House had been so particularly disposed that without telling their particular number by the Clerks or any other it might have been known which might have been
they were taken and of their actings and not to remain as they do in the view of the owners perhaps purposely in despight exposed to such publick view This works contrary to His Majesties pious intention and that Act of Oblivion it continues does not abolish the memory of our former divisions when the spoiled shall see as a continual Eye-sore their proper goods in the possession of the spoiler whilest the spoiled for want of them perhaps is ready to starve and perhaps the spoiler makes his livelyhood out of them if not steps of preferment too The Heathen Poet could say of the Civil wars of Rome Bella geri placuit nullos habitura triumphos But surely this looks like a continued triumph after the Warre Reparation to persons spoyled Some have wished that that motion in the last Parliament or Assembly or Convention that ended in December 1660 made in the Lords House might be renewed that the spoyled party might at least in some good measure be repaired by some publick Tax made for that purpose and due consideration to be had of such suffering spoyled persons that constant never-changing Loyalty may have some encouragement and comfort besides that of a good conscience Touching the Long Parliament Some have wished that it might have been by Act of Parliament declared if thought sic that the Long Parliament notwithstanding that Act for the continuing of it till it should be dissolved by Act of Parliament was dissolved or declared void and null from such a day as should have been by advice of the Judges and learned in the Laws agreed upon And that also if thought fit consideration should have been had particularly from what time that dissolution annulling or making void should have commenced whether from the time that His late Majesty was driven from the Parliament by tumults and riots which as is known some if not many Members especially of the then Commons House in that Long Parliament that took up Arms against the King were so far from causing to be suppressed though His Majesty desired it that they were set on by them as is notorious And also if thought fit that if not from that time yet from the time they voted to live and dye with the Earl of Essex by them voted to be their General against the King and upon the matter causing those Members to leave the House that would not vote with them And whether that His Majesty calling them afterwards a Parliament as they alledged when they were in Arms against him though perhaps His Protestation to the contrary was entred in the Council-book could any wayes entitle them to a lawful Parliament And also if thought fitting that it should have been by Act of Parliament declared that any Member of Parliament offending against 25 E. 3. in raising or bearing Arms or maintaining them against the King ipso facto ceases to be a Member of Parliament for that a Rebel and a Parliament-man are 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 And also if thought fit that the Judges of the Land consulting together should have declared as they did in King James his time in that case about Watson and Clerk the Seminary Priests that the Kings Coronation was but a Ceremony and that without it the King was a complete King that that Long Parliament was dissolved from such a day as they should have found by Law that it was dissolved or annulled whether it was from the time of His late Majesties expulsion from his Parliament as before or from the time of voting to live and dye with the Earl of Essex or of their Votes of no further addresses to the King who called them to consult with him whether they did not then openly dissolve themselves by refusing to consult with him or from his death when they could consult no more with him And also if thought fit that it should have been so declared and enacted that though the King had passed an Act that the Parliament should fit till they were dissolved by an Act of Parliament and that if it had been expressed that it should be so notwithstanding that His Majesty should dye in the interim yet such an Act could not bind him nor his Successor especially when in that Act for continuing that Parliament till by such Act it should be dissolved there is no such mention that it should continue after his death that called it and that the King cannot be concerned at leastwise concluded any wayes in any Act of Parliament to his damage prejudice or diminution of his Royal Prerogative or Authority except at least he explicitely and freely consent to it be specially comprized and named in that Act to that purpose or whether he can though he so consent it following plainly that if by taking up Arms or bearing Arms against the King a Parliament-man ceases to be so nor can sit any longer in the House Then in that case none ought truly to be accounted secluded or excluded Members but onely these that would not then vote to live and dye with the Earl of Essex nor would assent to the raising of arms against the King but thereupon left the House or were expelled thence either by the Votes of the rest or by menaces just fear that might incidere in constantem virum or by tumultuous force so that if the Parliament if not by the reasons aforesaid yet at least by the death of the King being dissolved as to think the contrary is most void of reason or truth if I say it had not been so dissolved then those secluded or excluded Members they onely ought to have been restored and none of the rest that acted against the King by taking up Arms against him or acting against him ought to have been restored Such offended against the Act of 25 E. 3. raising Arms against the King c. counterfeiting or making a new Great Seal c. and their being Members of Parliament being as before inconsistent and for the void places His Majesty to issue out Writs for free legal and new Elections The keeping of the Records in the Tower And also that the keeping of the Records in the Tower should be in the hands of a known trusty Loyalist and none other in regard of the danger of imbezelling or corrupting them by any person of other principles not affected to Monarchical government by Law established to the great damage of the King and his Subjects The Militia And also that the Militia and all Offices and places of trust and concernment for the peace and safety of the Kingdoms and for the prevention of future Faction Sedition and disturbance of such peace and endangering such safety should be committed onely to the hands and especially for a competent space of time as by such free and legal Parliament or by His Majesty shall be agreed upon of known experienc'd Loyalists and not to any that may be reasonably presumed or suspected to be otherwise That rule may somtimes hold and not
Scripture Be not confounded in speaking truth for thy souls sake for there is a confusion that brings sin and there is a confusion that brings glory and grace But what do I dwelling upon these things when the Learned discourses hereupon on both sides are extant of Richard Cosin Doctor of the Lawes and John Morris and Lancelot Andrewes The Queen not ignorant that Her Authority was in this business struck at through the sides of the Bishops tacitely crush'd the violence of the Adversaries and conserv'd the Ecclesiasticall Jurisdiction inviolate Thus in a few words he summes up part of the marrow of these Learned dissertations and gives his sound judgement thereupon But still they went on in their design in which I believe they will ever be found immoveable We have had sufficient experience that way at what they aime and that there is no hope of bending without breaking too In their admonition to the Parliament in that Queens Reign they tell us to this effect at least that if they cannot have what they desire by fair meanes they will have it by a way shall make our hearts ake and I think they have indifferently well made their words good Yet blessed be God we are delivered again from them God give us care to beware of them and not to fall again into their snares by those blessed Titles of Mercy and Moderation heavenly good surely if rightly applied Let us but contemplate our fresh miseries and the murther of our blessed King and Martyr King Charles the First and his 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 't is well to be hoped 't will prove as much or more effectual then the Pages Memento to Philip of Macedon in another case These men for they were all of the same Leaven still persisted in their design all along the Reign of Queen Elizabeth and upon King James his coming in thinking upon that change to have wrought something extraordinary upon a Prince that had a great access of Dominion and probably at his entrance would endeavour to satisfie all or most so far as with reason it could be expected and to ingratiate himself as far as fitting with his new Subjects But it was our happiness though his trouble and vexation that he was well acquainted with the factious and seditious humours of that gang in Scotland with whom and ours here of the same mould I believe ever was and will be a correspondence and co-operation Ex viridi observantia this is too demonstrable They then set upon King Iames with their most humble Petition called The Lincoln-shire Ministers Petition perhaps denominatio à majori it was a complication of many parts there they desire favour for tender Consciences and thereupon was the Conference at Hampton-Court granted where their Reasons were as it were brayed in a Mortar and they or most of them seem'd satisfied but many of them at least soon returned to their vomit In that Petition they promise all obedience and profess they hold it contrary to Gods Word and the practice of the Primitive Christians to resist the Prince or to get Reformation by force or violence To this effect they supplicate and hold forth yet I believe it may be prov'd that some of these individual persons in that Petition adhered expresly to the late Rebels against His Majesty if they were not actually in Arms against him as most if not all of their Opinions were How they crept in or rather marched on furiously though slily in the the late Kings time till they had weav'd up their Web to their desire we have seen and sadly felt When the High-Commission and Star-Chamber were taken away a great point was gain'd To speak of nothing else but the subject upon which I am Yet by the way it is observable that many if not most moderate men are of opinion that the Government will not be well settled till both these Courts though happily in many particulars altered and regulated or 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 some other Courts much like them be established where extraordinary crimes and persons may be ordered and in the former the High-Commission the shifting of criminous persons from one Diocese to another may be met with It was no small part of their design to trample upon Ecclesiastical Jurisdiction and to take away the coercive power and to make it precarious and ridiculous as they would interpret that Statute which if credible relations be true was but strangely got insomuch that a great leading Member in the House of Commons then in that long Parliament cryed out Digitus Dei fuit in eo that though it were not intended yet the words would bear it which he rejoyced at though many and not of the least able Lawyers in the Kingdom were not of his opinion That Coercive power for no other have the Ecclesiastick Courts except Suspension a degree below it which amounts but to a small coercion to refractory persons in regard it goes no further the secular arme cannot be called upon that that I say that coercive power is Excommunication That is the power of the Keyes how far that power may be staid retarded or forborn I intend not to dispute but that it shall be totally taken away from the Church Quasi non esset Deus in coelis that surely is not to be believed that it can be done by any power under Heaven But that taking away that coercive power from the Ecclesiastical Courts as they interpreted it and they knew they had argumentum à fortiori to maintain it did not a little further and heighten their design At the time of their raising their Militia against the late King a person of no mean quality at a great Assembly made his Harangue to the people as I heard it from a very credible person who said he was then and there present and heard it and then and there enumerated the many great blessings this Nation had received from that blessed Parliament as he call'd it That Ship-money was taken away and the Star-Chamber was taken away and the High-Commission was taken away and the Spiritual Courts too are taken away A man could not meddle with a Wench his expression was otherwise which I am not willing to mention but he must be question'd Hinc illae lacrymae Indeed that was a great Eye-sore Delinquents never love the Judges that punish them At laus summa viris displicuisse malis And this did not a little advantage the cause they had then in hand very many persons that had been justly question'd in these Courts flocking in to their colours But I take no delight to rekon up these strange passages to call them no worse which were not a few when that storm was in raising which afterwards shaked all the corners of the Land Two onely which concerned Ecclesiastical proceedings to meddle with no other of higher nature that the world rang of and I would the memory of them could be perpetually abolished I shall briefly touch which amongst
others were these A grave and able Civilian and then a Member of the House of Commons was accused by an Inconformist that he had excommunicated him for not kneeling at the Communion when he received I was present and saw and heard it and to my best remembrance it was for not kneeling at the Communion at least it was for not performing some other Ceremony so that as to this matter 't is all one The Civilian being called up to a Committee of the Lords then in the Long Parliament out of the House of Commons to answer it By his Counsel he desir'd time to send into the Countrey where it was pretended to be done to know whether he had done any such thing it being impossible for him to remember every particular that he had done in his Jurisdiction and that particular he said he did not remember He had time given and informed himself thereof and at the next appointed time of his appearance by his Counsel pleaded that he had done no such thing as he was accused of The Accuser said then it was done by his Deputy or Surrogate That was denyed too Then he said he was sure it was done by the Spiritual Court and so it was but not by any Spiritual Court where that Civilian had to do Then the Civilian pleaded that if he had done that whereof he was accused he doubted not but he could have justified it but since it appears that he was unjustly accus'd and reap'd some discredit by being thus question'd and had been put to trouble and charge thereabouts he desired reparation and charges which by many of the Lords was yielded to yet by the major part it was carried that he ought not to have it and the reason was rendred because it would deter others from complaining Si satis est accusasse quis erit innocens Nay how far may it tend to the ruine of some if some men be maliciously set upon them to multiply accusations against them The other was Another Inconformist complaining of his being question'd in the Ecclesiastical Courts for his Inconformity In defence it was alledged against him and proved that he had said He would as soon bow at the name of Judas as at the Name of JESUS and I diligently enquir'd but never heard he was punish'd for it But would there had been no more then these though these are too much Would some had not gloried had not triumphed in their shame Bella geri placuit nullos habitura triumphos CHAP. II. The two Proviso's in the late Act that takes away the doubt touching Coercive power in Ecclesiastical Courts Dr. Cosens Apology for sundry proceedings by Jurisdiction Ecclesiastical That groundless Opinion That a several Royal assent to the executing of every particular Canon is requir'd is confuted The validity of the Ecclesiastical Laws The clamours of Inconformists Innovators and Fanaticks against the putting of Ecclesiastical Laws in execution though the Ecclesiastical Officers and Ministers are by Act of Parliament severely commanded to do it BY the late Act before mentioned where the Doubt so it is called there about the Coercive power in Ecclesiastical Courts is clear'd and taken away One Proviso is That that Act nor any thing therein conteined shall extend or be construed to extend to give unto any Archbishop or Bishop or any other Spiritual or Ecclesiastical Judge c. any power or authority to exercise c. If any be peccant that way it ought to be amended Another Proviso forbids any Archbishop Bishop c. to tender or administer unto any person the Oath usually called the Oath Ex officio or any other Oath whereby such person to whom the same is tendred or administred may be charged or compelled to confess or accuse or to purge him or her self of any criminal matter or thing whereby he or she may be lyable to any censure or punishment This being now forbidden by Act of Parliament every Subject ought to give obedience therein But some now insulting and upbraiding the Ecclesiastical Courts that all this while they have oppressed the Subject with that proceeding which the Parliament hath taken away renewing the old cry in Queen Elizabeths time and ever since against such proceedings which never till now I alwayes except what was done in the late times of usurped government were legally prohibited Though I am far from questioning the reasons whereupon that Act passed but do humbly submit to it both in word and practice yet I hope it will be allowed to make some defence against such persons as so tax such proceedings before the passing of this Act. And herein I shall follow that most able Civilian Richard Cosin Doctor of the Laws and Dean of the Arches in that his Apology for sundry proceedings by Jurisdiction Ecclesiastical c. Mr. Cambden as before mentions him with honour as surely he well deserv'd and that work of his if nothing else evinces it Mr. Swinburn in that Work of his of Last Wills and Testaments printed at London for the Company of Stationers 1611. in the first part sect 6. numb 8. fol. 17. writes thus of him and of that Work of his that Apology I find saith he written by that learned and no less religious man Doctor Cosins as I take it in that worthy Work entituled An Apology for sundry proceedings by Jurisdiction Ecclesiastical c. and so he goes on Upon this subject he hath written so fully that I believe little can be added to it and if any should go about it excepting such additions as well may be added by reason of some emergencies since the time he wrote and some other additions and explications not derogatory from him they would be forced very much to plough with his Heyfer which would but look too much like a Plagiary I could wish the book were reprinted and haply it will be so which may serve for Topicks to this subject For as all the Poets after Homer are said to drink of his Fountain according to that picture or statue of his that denotes as much with that Inscription Ridet anhelantem post se vestigia turbam Even so must I conceive all do from Doctor Cosin that shall write upon this subject I was upon Epitomizing that Apology of his and had made some progress therein but upon second thoughts desisted thinking it better to refer the Reader to him rather then to adventure to abbreviate him and thereby perhaps wrong him an offence that too many Epitomizers are guilty of therefore I say I shall onely make use of some Notes as confessed arrows out of his quiver and sippe of some others elsewhere and point the Reader to his full stream where any that list may drink their fill Upon these words in the late Act Provided that this Act. nor any thing therein contained shall extend or be construed to extend or give unto any Archbishop Bishop c. any power or authority to exercise or execute c. any jurisdiction which they
Ecclesiastical Courts if the party refuse to take them 't is penal to him And in many other cases easie to be enumerated but this may suffice The guiltless and innocent have no benefit by taking away this oath especially that of Purgation nay admitting that which as above some affirm That though they offer to take the oath of Purgation the Ecclesiastical Judge is not to minister it in that case they are endamaged by it and cannot make their innocency appear in such a way and means as the Law did afford and to be restored to all intents and purposes to their good name and fame of which they were in a great part though unjustly bereaved and might have a good Action against any that after such Purgation defamed them The guilty hereby escapes punishment which he may in some sort lucri loco reponere if it may not be said of him as Virgil of the stinging Bee ammam in vulnere ponit Reg. juris The rule of Law is Nemo ex delicto consequitur beneficium The great Hypocrisie of those Innovators and Fanaticks in Queen Elizabeths King James's and in the late blessed King and Martyrs reign King Charles the First to go no further that then pressed the taking away of that Oath and some of them we have seen go much further of late who would be thought to be and so hold it forth that they are the greatest Zelots to have those sins punished that by that means would escape it yet cry like the Lapwing furthest from their nest they would not have the means left to find them out that so they might be punished and other use for their ends which we have sadly felt they made of it as is touched above Herein they somewhat resemble Julian the Apostate 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 He would seem to be a hater of a long incompt Beard and entitles that Tract of his 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 An hater of Beards and yet he sayes there of himself 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 c. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Longam istam barbam addidi c. ideo diseurrentes in ea pediculos perfero tanquam feras aliquas in sylva Many other inconveniences and hurts that too probably may be feared to arise from the prohibition of these oaths in such cases as before might upon further consideration be enumerated and though in the last place yet even that too of adding further discouragement to the professors of the Civil and Ecclesiastical Laws who have not had a few for a long time together may perhaps deserve to be thought upon It is too visible that there are not a few that would not have them enjoy so much of practice and power as that without which the State can scarce spare them that is in maritime causes touching Traffick and Commerce with Forreigners a point eminently considerable as to the benefit of this Nation For the Law it self surely all Scholers and ingenuous men of what Robe or Profession soever cannot but honour it for the Antiquity and in a sort Universality and Excellency of it and the great number of Nations and so many and noble and well-civilized exercise that were anciently and in great part and yet are governed by the rules thereof and the helps received from it even by our own Nation too many wayes demonstrable Before our Saviours time as is touched before in the time of Julius Caesar Cic. famil epist 0 an ancient Civil-Lawyer and often alledged in the Pandects remained at Samarobrina in this Island of Britain and after that the Oracle of that Law Forcatulus Aemilius Paulus Papiniamus professed the Law and kept his Tribunal seat of Praetorship in the City of York and no inconsiderable part of the Municipal Laws of our Nation have flowed from that Fountain and drawn many Rules and Maxims thence So that it may as that learned Civilian Sir Rob. Wiseman Knight Doctor of the Laws His Majesties Advocate general for the Kingdom of Engl. in that Treatise of his of the Excellency of the Civil Law be truly styled The Law of Laws and as it was said to that Roman orator highly commending Eloquence that he lifted her up to the skies that he also with her might be raised up thither so he in that learned and judicious Tract of his setting forth the due and just honour and Encomium of the Civil Laws deserves to be thereby perpetually honoured And for the professors of the Civil Law in this Nation their share of sufferings in these late tempestuous times was the earliest began first some years before the Loyal Clergy were destroyed For upon the passing that Act for the taking away the High Commission in the tail of it was that sting which as the then more powerful part interpreted it took away the coercive power from the Ecclesiastical Courts and so in a manner made them useless and precarious if not ridiculous and within a very few dayes after passed that Act for Poll-money where every Ecclesiastical Judge that had any Ecclesiastical Office of Judicature though some of those places were not worth 30 l. per annum nor 20 l. per annum and some less paid 15. l. a greater summe then some men paid of 10000 l. per annum and more in Land of Inheritance So sharp-sighted was that Act towards that then in a manner even ruined profession The reason of it was visible enough and no wayes dishonourable to that profession or professors who acted justly according to the known Laws of the Land had they done otherwise surely they had not wanted legal punishment as the times then were and the cry that was then unjustly raised against them when the furious flame of Civil war broke forth that wasted the Church all loyal Church-men and all that had dependance or relation to them in regard of any Offices or Places as most if not all Civilians had then As to the Civilians Sublatum fuit questionis subjectum their Offices and Places were quite taken away Indeed the most reverend Fathers the Lords Archbishops and Bishops with Deans Chapters Archdeacons and other Dignitaries in Cathedral and Collegiate Churches tasted of the same cup were A la mode then but not so soon as the Civilians root and branch destroyed but the Beneficed Rectors and Vicars that for their Loyalty were thrust out of their Benefices had a small pittance reserved them though when paid at all miserably shrunk and lessened almost to nothing that is as they called it the Fifths of their Livings But as to the reverend Prelates and Dignitaries and the Civilians there was nothing left under such pitiful Step-fathers were the then nick-named Fathers of their Country the prevailing party in that Long Parliament during the time of the long continued usurping Power even till His Sacred Majesties happy Restauration those causes and businesses which of right ought to have been agitated and dispatched by Civilians in their several Offices and places many of them as
memory King Henry the eighth because that many inconveniences had chanced in this Realm by breaking and dissolving good and lawful marriages yea whereupon also sometime issue and children had followed under the colour and pretence of a former contract made with another the which contract divers times was but very slenderly proved and often but surmised by the malice of the party who desired to be dissolved from the marriage which they liked not and to be coupled with another there was an Act made that all and every such marriages as within the Church of England should be contrcted and solemnized in the face of the Church and consummate with bodily knowledge or fruit of children or child being had betwéen the parties so married should be by authority of the said Parliament déemed judged and taken to be lawful good just and indissoluble notwithstanding any precontract or precontracts of Matrimony not consummate with bodily knowledge which either of the persons so married or both had made with any other person or persons before the time of contracting that marriage which is solemnized or consummated or whereof such fruit is ensued or may ensue as by the same Act more plainly appear Sithence the time of the which Act although the same was godly meant the unrulinesse of men hath ungodly abused the same and divers inconveniences intolerable in manner to Christian ears and eyes followed thereupon women and men breaking their own promises and faiths made by the one unto the other so set upon sensuality and pleasure that if after the contract of Matrimony they might have whom they more favoured and destred they could be contented by lightnesse of their nature to overturn all that they had done afore and not afraid in manner even from the very Church door and Matriage feast the man to take another spouse and the espouse to take another husband more for bodily lust and carnal knowledge then for surety of faith and truth or having God in their good remembrance contemning many times also the commandment of the Ecclesiastical Iudge forbidding the parties having made the contract to attempt or do any thing in prejudice of the same Be it therefore enacted by the Kings Highnesse the Lords Spiritual and Temporal and the Commons in this present Parliament assembled that as concerning Precontracts the said former Statute shall from the first day of May next comming cease be repealed and of no force or effect and be reduced to the estate and order of the Kings Ecclesiastical Laws of this Realm which immediately before the making of the said Estatute in this case were used in this Realm so that from the said first day of May when any cause or contract of marriage is pretended to have béen made it shall be lawful to the Kings Ecclesiastical Iudge of that place to hear and examine the said cause and having the said contract sufficiently and lawfully proved before him to give sentence for Matrimony commanding solemnization cohabitation consummation and tractation as it becometh man and wife to have with inflicting all such pains upon the disobedients and disturbers thereof as in times past before the said Statute the Kings Ecclesiastical Iudge by the Kings Ecclesiastical Laws ought and might have done if the said Statute had never béen made any clause article or sentence in the said Statute to the contrary in any wise notwithstanding Provided alwayes and be it enacted that this Act do not extend to disannul dissolve or break any marriage that hath or shall be solemnizated and consummated before the said first day of May next ensuing by title or colour of any Precontract but that they be and be déemed of like force and effect to all intents constructions and purposes as if this Act had never béen had ne made any thing in this present Act notwithstanding Provided also that this Act do not extend to make good any of the other causes so the dissolution or disannulling of Matrimony which he in the said Act spoken of and disannulled But that in all other causes and other things there mentioned the said former Act of the two and thirtieth year of the late King of famous memory do stand and remain in his full strength and power any thing in this Act notwithstanding Stat. 1 Eliz. 1. By these the inconveniency appeareth of taking away or altering an ancient long-settled Law practised long in all Christian Countries as this was which had it not been good probably the inconveniency and hurt of it had appeared in so long a time and the Law for the Oath Ex officio and Purgation is of like antiquity and practice in all Christian Countries without inconvenience or hurt thereby arising as yet that I ever could hear of therefore such Laws ought to be deeply weighed and considered of before they be repealed or altered And now that I am speaking of repealing and altering old Laws and making new I thought fit to close this Tract with some Notes of mine drawn up almost all of them in the time of the usurped Government and some after His Majesties restauration and communicated to the sight of some of Quality touching the repealing or altering of some old Laws and making new Some are already past and effected as that for the Lords the Bishops sitting again in the Lords House in Parliament and other things These I offer with all humility to be considered of if it shall by those in Authority be thought fit otherwise to be as unsaid Protesting that I retract as before any thing which is here mentioned that shall appear contrary to Gods Word His Majesties Prerogative or the Laws of the Land or the just policy and government of any of His Majesties Dominions Touching Parliaments Parliament proceedings AS a Parliament well constituted and acting regularly conduces much to the happinesse of King and Subject so any exorbitancy or deviation therein of which surely all unbiassed men cannot but confesse we have had too much sad experience in the Long Parliament works the contrary corruptio optimi pessima In the time of the Long Parliament some as it were idoliz'd it even almost to an opinion even of Infallibility of which they have made too much advantage to the misery of King and People Some advised then that that great Wheel that great Court should have had its sphere of activity it s known certain bounds publickly declared and not have been like a great River prodigiously overflowing all its banks and bounds Such a Parliament acting regularly is' t not probable the Members thereof would not so much have thirsted to lengthen much lesse to perpetuate it They were called up to consult may not he that calls his Counsellor forbear consulting him when he pleases and dismisse him Ordinance of Parliament The extent of an Ordinance of Parliament having by some been tentor'd then even almost to Infinity might it not have been precisely circumscribed and the exact definition of an Ordinance given Privileges of Parliament As
much as to give an Oath yet how often did they then upon small matters unworthy of their cognisance in regard they might have been so easily remedied by the known ordinary Laws of the Land and the ordinary competent Judges thereof call orthodox conformable and worthy Ministers to appear before them from very distant remote places sometimes near upon 200. miles for setting a rail about the Communion Table according to the command of the Ordinary or matters of such inferiour nature these brought on and fomented by Inconformists then to the great mischief to this Nation too too much favoured promoted and prosecuted by the then prevailing power The Fees and charges were then very high insomuch as some Ministers were almost if not altogether undone before they could get up thither and when they came by reason of multiplicity of businesse in the Commons House they staid there long and upon great charge paying high Fees still to the Serjeant or other Officers of the House whilest they lay under restraint which oftentimes was very long When a charge after long delay was given in then they gave their answer after a long stay too Then a Committee of many Members was appointed to examine witnesses which was done without oath then after a long time the cause was reported many of these Members not having heard the whole cause but some one part some another yet often concurring at the voting and reporting the cause to the House of Commons which was a strange kind of proceeding to call it no worse In the Star-chamber and High-commission none used to give sentence but such as heard all the cause and they usually excused themselves when they had not heard all the cause Now when the House of Commods had proceeded thus far upon the matter yet they had done little or nothing but vexed and undone a poor and perhaps guiltless Minister for they were to transmit the cause to the Lords House and there to begin it de novo examine the witnesses again upon oath which as before the other House could not do And here 't is to be considered whether or no it were not anceps perjurium a dangerous temptation to witnesses that perhaps have spoken too largely being unsworn will if but for fear of loss of Reputation confirm upon Oath what they have said without Oath It is to be feared also some poor men foreseeing this unevitable course of undoing them have either wronged their owne cause and betrayed their innocence by confessing themselves guilty or ad redimendam vexationem compounded with their prosecutors even to their own undoing or well nigh If there had been cause and that it could not properly in an ordinary way have been remedied by the proper competent ordinary Judges why should not the cause have been begun heard and determined in the Lords House at first Could the Houses especially the Commons House then have been brought into such due order as not to act extra spheram activitatis suae 't is well to be hoped they would not as above have been desirous to lengthen or perpetuate that Parliament when they can as by right repeal no old nor make no new Law nor tax the Subjects estate nor make Ordinances to have the force of Laws without His Majesties assent King Henry the Eighth suffered the Houses of Parliament in Ireland for a matter of two years or thereabouts to continue petitioning him to dissolve them and dismiss them home which he would not do till he saw cause Though this is not in his commendation yet hereby the just power of the King appeared and the right of his Prerogative which hath been too long and too much trampled upon And surely the Law in this point is the same in Englaud as in Ireland that the just bounds and limits on all sides might be preserved inviolate Touching the Age of Parliament-men Age of Parliament-men In the Lords House none sit there under 21. years of age and some wish none might under 30. though there they are singly for themselves and represent not others as in the House of Commons But in the House of Commons there hath been sometimes as was in the Long Parliament Members about 16. or 17. years of age if not some of them under and their Suffrages and Votes were of as much force as the eldest most experienced in the House And it hath been the observation of some experienced and wise Parliament-men that oftentimes in that House those that had the shortest wings were the highest flyers and such as these could adde number and so consequently weight to a side The inconvenience and hurt that arose from hence is easily demonstrable and hath too much appeared by frequent experience Some have wished that there should have been no Member of the Commons House under the age of 30. years there being so large a field whereout to choose Parliament-men for every place and it being even as it were ex diametro contrary to the nature and denomination of a Parliament which is but a great Senate so called à Senioribus the constituting Members thereof Touching the Election of Parliament-men Election of Parliament-men Some have advised that it should be clearly free without such ambient means as were used in the Long Parliament by some Factions and whereas every man may give his suffrage for Counties that hath 40 s. per annum and in Cities and Corporations without such a value that being the old custom And that which was 40 s. per annum in former Ages is worth now ten times as much well nigh if not more So consequently the Electors should be of better estate The great number of Burroughs Corporations There being such a vast disproportion betwixt the Cities alwayes excepting London and Corporations Burroughs especially and the Counties wherein that Burrough and Corporation is scituate for number of Inhabitants which heightens the concernment In some Counties there being so many Corporations that the County having but two Parliament-men to represent them be the County never so great yet every petty Corporation whereof in many Counties especially in the West there are very many such hath as many to represent it of equal power in the Commons House with any other Member of County or City So that the Parliament-men serving for Cities and Burroughs are in number by many degrees far much more then for Counties which hath been conceived to have been no small cause of our late troubles Some advised for that reason and for other reasons too well known notorious and obvious to every indifferent eye that the number of these Burroughs should be much lessened or at leastwise that power of Electing Parliament-Members Especially so many of these Corporations Cities and Burroughs having in these late troubles so clearly forfeited their Charters Touching the manner of proceeding in Parliament in the Commons House in the Long-Parliament It hath been ordinarily observed as is touched above that in Committees in that Long-Parliament some have