the Souldiers in the Kingdom were published For the fourth Article their countenancing abetting and partaking wish the tumultuous violence of the Apprentices and others against both Houses of Parliament It seems strange to us when they had this in their thoughts to charge it as a Crime upon us they did not think of what themselves are doing and much more that they should urge the force offered to the House then which they declared horrid and treasonable to justifie the violence offered to the House by them of a far higher nature If it were a crim in the Apprentices why do the Army the same thing If it were no Crime why doe they complain of Us for abetting and partaking with it wherefore We say that there is not the least colour or shadow of truth and doe every one of Us for Our selves respectively utterly deny it And for setting up a new Speaker the House of Commons did no more then what in all ages hath been their undoubted right to do in the case of want of a Speaker And as to the Ordinances and Votes then passed We should make a particular Answer thereunto but that by the Ordinance of the 20. of Aug. following they are made void and null in themselves which silences Us for the present For the fifth Article The holding correspondency ingaging and assisting the tumultuous Petitioners last Spring the rebellious Insâ—â—rections in Kent the revolted Ships and Prince of Wales and with the Scots Armie We do every one of Us for our selvel respectively denie the having any hand therein Having thus given Our Answers to those Five particulars wherein the necessity is assigned by which they endeauour to justifie their proceedings against Us Wee leave it to the judgment of their owne Consciences whether they doe not bear witnesse within them that in all these particulars they have groundlesly accused Us of those things of which they for the most part are guilty and know Us to be innocent In these we have used the more brevitie that We might be the more large upon the sixt Section of the Paper wherein they say That when the Army was dispersed and engaged in severall parts of the Kingdome in opposing the Enemies suppressing the troubles these men had raised and when many faithfull Members of Parliament were employed abroad upon necessary publique services and others through malignant tumults about the Citie could not with safetie attend the House then the corrupt and apostatizing party taking advantage of these distractions and diversions which themselves had caused first recalled in those Members c. then they recalled those Votes for non-addresses and Voted a Personall Treatie with the King To all which scandalous aspersions Wee Answer That they are altogether groundlesse if there were any reality in what they would here insinuate That the proceedings of this Treaty were not by the Concurrrence of the House but surrepticiously gayned by taking advantage of the absence of many faithfull Members Why doe they complaine then in other parts of their Paper That the Majoritâ—e of the House is corrupt and take paines to shew how the Majoritie of the House came to be formed to serve the King and other coreupt Interests or what necessitie was there for them to force the absence of two hundred Members of the House at 〈◊〉 for what iâ— done in this Treatâ—e if the complaint here be just that 〈◊〉 proceedings thereunto were through the absence of the Members that could not with safety attend the House and for the distractions in the Countries which they speake of It is manifest to all men that heard the cryes of the Countries at that time who in part occasioned those distempers even in the Countriâ—a neerest and best affected to the Parliament who never during the Warre exprest so high contempt to the authority of Parliament untill the like had bin first done by the Armies quartering upon and amongst them a little before And although the president was followed by Sea and Land almost to the ruine of Parliament and Kingdome yet those Members if they meane such as are imprisoned and secluded which they most uncivilly and nuchristianly requite with the reproach of Apostates were many of them imployed and did improve the utmost of their interests in Laâ—cashire Yorkeshire Lincolneshire Herefâ—rdshire Hampshire Suffolke Essex London and Surrey and many other parts of the Kingdome to quiet distractions and oppose Insurrections which the extremity of the Armies proceedings had iâ— part occastioned We never judged Tumults nor Insurrections the way to Peace and Settlement And for the Charge of some of the eleven Members to have taken Commissious from the Prince Wâ—lay and every of them for themselves affirming the Charge of their taking Commissions from the Prince or any other whatsoever by verieu of his Authority is a most malicious and scandalous asperstion They abhorring to deviate in the least from what their primitive engagements were which they have from first to last continued in and shall doe by Gods assistance notwithstanding all Calamnies cast on them or sufferings though to the utmost for so doing Having thus cleared the entrance to the Treatie from thâ—se prejudices laid in the way therunto We come to that Vote of the House Decemb. 5. That the Answer of the Keâ—â— to the Propositions of both Houses are a â—ound for the House to proceed upon for the settlement of the Peace of the Kingdome Of which they say that though they advanced hither to attend Providence for the opening some way to avoid the present evils designed and introduce the desired good into the Kingdome yee they said nor acted nothing in relation to the Parliament nor any Member thereof untill by that Vote passed Decemb. 5. they found the corrupt majority so resolvedly bent to compleat their Design in bringing in the King c. Doe they call their threatning Remonstrance sent to the House and the Declaration then published to explaine the meaning thereof divers dayes before this a saying nothing in relation to the Parliament and their Marching up to the Citie of London and Westminster with so many Regiments of the Army contrary to the Order of the House a doing nothing in relation to the Parliament By this it seemes the passing of this Vote is the very point of that necessity which they take to justifie all their present actings in relation to the Parliament For before that passed they say they acted nothing therefore We shall be more large upon this Subject We shall therefore first state the matter in difference betwixt the Propositions of the Houses and the Kings Answers As the Propositions to the King in the Isle of Weight contained in them all that security which the Houses have judged necessary to propose for themselves those that have adhered to them in the Warres and for the peace of the whole Kingdome so the King granteth all those Propositions in which the main security resteth viz. His Majestie granted the first Proposition for
A VINDICATION OF THE Imprisoned and Secluded MEMBERS OF THE House of Commons From the ASPERSIONS cast upon them and the MAIORITY of the House in a paper lately printed and published INTITVLED An Humble Answer of the Generall Councel of the Officers of the Army under his Excellency THOMAS Lord FAIRFAX TO THE Demands of the Honourable Commons of ENGLAND in Parliament Assembled Concerning The late Securing or Secluding some MEMBERS thereof PSAL. 27. 5 6. Commit thy way unto the Lord trust also in him and he shall bring it to passe And he shall bring forth thy righteousness as the light and thy judgement as the noon-day LONDON Printed for Michael Spark an the blue Bible in Green-Arbour 1649. A Vindication of the imprisoned and secluded Members of the House of Commons from the Aspersions cast upon them and the Majority of the House in a Paper lately printed and published Intituled An humble Answer of the Generall Councel of the Officers of the Army c. to the Demands of the Honourable the Commons of England c. AFter our being secluded and some of us imprisoned and detained from our Service in the House of Commons of which we are Members now for above six weeks space finding a paper published in print against us wherein we are reproached with the names of Traitors Apostates Self-servers corrupt Members and divers other aspersions of the like nature charged upon us We are enforced for our Vindication and which is dearer to us the Vindication of the Freedom and Honour of the Parliament and for preventing the matters suggested against us in that Paper from abusing those by whom we are entrusted who might judge us guilty if should be silent to make this ensuing Answer to that paper In the Preamble of this Answer by way of Accompt concerning the securing some Members and secluding others It appears by the Proposals of the sixth of December the late Declaration and Remonstrance therein cited That this designe to break the House by force hath been long since plotted and contrived though not executed untill now Which Action the General Councel of the Army in their Answer say We acknowledge it to be a Course in it self irregular and not justifiable but both by honest intentions for publick good and an extraordinary Necessity for the same end leading us thereunto These being the two pillars upon which is laid the whole weight of the justification of the Army in this extraordinary and we beleeve unparallell'd course of proceedings We shall apply our selves to discover the weaknesse and unsoundness of them both For our more clear proceedings herein we shall first state the Case which is endeavoured by this paper to be justified They are an Armie raised and formed by Ordinance of Parliament of the 15 of February 1644 for the defence of the King and Parliament and true Protestant Religion the Laws and Liberties of the Kingdom and to be from time to time subject to such Orders and Directions as they shall receive from both Houses of Parliament And for that end they stand commissionated by them and receive pay from them at this day And besides the Trust they hereby have assumed they are under the obligation of a solemn Covenant sworn to Almighty God That they will in their places and callings with sincerity reality and constancy with their estates and lives preserve the Rights and Priviledges of the Parliament and the Liberties of the Kingdome and defend the Kings person and Authority in the defence of the true Religion and Liberties of the Kingdom They being under these Trusts and Obligations by and to the Houses with their Arms contrary to their Orders marched into Westminster and without any order from them they placed some of their Regiments at and about the door of the House of Commons upon the sixth and seventh of December last and there with a List of the names of divers Members of the House their Officers and Souldiers appointed for that purpose forcibly secluded some seized upon imprisoned and detained others from their attendance of the House and occasioned many others to absent themselves The Question now is Whether any thing in this paper can justifie this Action of theirs either upon the good Intentions or Necessity pretended therein This being the point in Issue which they affirm and we deny We shall now proceed to consider their grounds For their good Intentions which cannot be known to us but by their expressions and actions they referre us to their Proposals Declarations and Remonstrances where wee finde their desires are to take away the Kings life to take away the lives of the Prince and the Duke of York at least to dis-inherit both them and all the Kings children to put a period to this Parliament to set up a new Representative which takes away all Parliaments to have an elective King if any These are the intentions for publick good which must come in to help their actions that are confessed to be otherwise irregular and unjustifiable We think the very naming of them doth manifest that they are apparantly against the Laws of God and the Laws of the Kingdom under which they live and have no justification for themselves much lesse any to spare for their actions whereof we leave the whole Kingdome for whose good as said these Intentions are to be judges And we shall produce no other witnesse to prove this but themselves On the 15 of November 1647 the paper called The Agreement of the people which is somewhat lower then these which they call Intentions for publick good was condemned by the Army the promoting of it judged capitall Colonel Rainshorough and Major Scot complained of by them to the House for appearing in it and the paper it self then adjudged by the House destructive to Government and the being of Parliament And upon this their evidence against themselves we leave this point And to proceed to the other ground of their justification viz. Extraordinary Necessity which is laid down in their paper thus After they have brought in their good intentions for their justification and what those are we have cited out of their own papers to which they refer us it is then added And an extraordinary Necessity for the same and leading us thereunto It appears in the first opening of this necessity of what nature it is that tends to such ends as they referre it But for the better disquisition thereof before we come to the particulars to set forth this necessity in this paper we shall lay down some generall Observations and Conclusions concerning this their Plea 1. The Army made the very same plea of extraordinary necessity in their Remonstrance June 23. 1647 that now is made in this paper upon quite contrary grounds then what they expresse now and both to justifie the same extraordinary violent proceedings against the Parliament differing onely in degrees this later worse then the former Then when the King was seized upon by a party of
have alwayes desired from our hearts and souls manifested in our actions and proceedings and severall humble Petitions and Remonstrances to his Majesty professed our loyalty and obedience to his Crown redinesse and resolution to defend his Person and support his Estate with our Lives and Fortunes to the uttermost of Our Power c. A Declaration of the Lords and Commons in Answer c. Concerning the Allegations that the Army raised by the Parliament is to murther and depose the King We hope the Contrivers of the Declaration or any that professeth but the name of a Christian could not have so little chariâ—y as to raise such a scandall especially when they must needs know the Protestation taken by every Member of both Houses whereby they promise in the presence of Almighty God to defend his Majesties Person the Protestations made by the Members of both Houses upon the nomination of the Earle of Eâ—â—ex to be Generall and to live and die with him is exprest that this Army was raised for the defence of the Kings Person In the Solemn League and Covenant for Reformation and defence of Religion and honour and happinesse of the King Thus Having before our eyes the honour aend happinesse of the Kings Majesties Person and his Posterity We shall sincerely really and constantly through the grace of God endevour in our several places and callings to preserve and defâ—nd the Kings Majesties Person and Authority in the preservation and defence of the true Religion and Liberties of the Kingdom that the World may beare Witnesse with our Consciences that We have no thoughts or intentions to diminish his Majesties just power and greatnesse c. And it appeared not unto Vâ— to be consistent with the publike Faith of the Houses in those Declâ—rations nor with other obligations which We have laid upon our selves by these Oaâ—hes Covenants Proteâ—â—ations to hazard the deposig of the King from his Crown dignity much lesse the losse of his Life upon the making of a breach upon the matter in difference 2. We could not but foresee the apparent losse of the Kingdom of Ireland and extirpation of English Protestants and of the Protestant Religion out of that Kingdom into the hands and power of Paâ—ists in Arms there We cannot but believe our tendernesse to make a breach of proceeding out of hearts desire to relieve and preserve the remnant of those poor Protestants which otherwise are like to be a prey to the Popish Rebels who are not satisâ—ied with the lives of many thousands of Innocents whom they have already murthered will justifie Vs before God and Men for what We have done in endeavouring to lay hold upon the grounds given Vs towards the settlement of Peace 3. We could not but apprehend with fear the great advantage to the Popish and Forraign Interests and the disadvantage to the Protestant Cause in this Kingdom and throughout the World by a breach The Prince and Duke of York the two next Heirs to the Crown and Government of three Kingdoms both in Forâ—aign parâ—s and under the 〈◊〉 direction If the Warre be stilll continued by the Parliamâ—nâ— upon the matter in differencâ— it may be feared the Prince may marry with the daughter of a Popish King ostrengthen himself both at Land and Sea by Forraign alliance to which the right of his Inheritance to three Kingdoms is a faire invitation unto which the Popish Interest in Ireland prevailing giving such an advantage together with the assistance of the Papists in this Kingdom what can be expected for Vs but to be certainly the the Seat of Warre and in great danger to be brought under a Popish yoak which We beseech Almighty God to keep us from 4 It is obvious that a breach made at this time upon the grounds afore-mentioned as it will divide Vs amongst our selves hazard the losse of Ireland so it is like to lay a foundation of a perpetuall breach betwixt these two Kingdoms of England and Scotland If there should bee any thought of change of Government here how contrary are their declared Principles both of their State and Church thereunto The King of England is King of Scotland and they are under Allegiance and Covenants for the preservation of the Kings Person and his Posterity as well as We What diffâ—rences are lâ—ke to ensue betwixt the Kingdomes by Government against Govâ—rnment perhaps Title against Title and one Kingdom against the other And this Kingdom being the more wealthy most probable to bee the Seat wherein all the Tragick Sceans and contentions betwixt both Kingdoms shall bee acted what have We in reason or conscience before God or Man to beare us out against these many and Eminent hazards Wee had consideration of the vast debts which the Kingdome lies under and for which the Publique Faith stands ingaged Of which wee see no hope of payment but by a settlement What vast summes of money are owing to this Army and to all the Souldiers in the Kingdom What multitude of extream sufferers in this City and in every County of the Kingdome by what they have lent to and lost for the Parliament Who by the continuance of the Warre are onely like to bee paid with more sufferings and exactions upon what is yet left them and every yeers Warre is like to make new Malignants through discontenting pressures destroy more families increase the Publique debt to be paid and withall increase the Kingdomes wants and make it the lesse able to pay untill at last the Souldier seeing no hope of Pay the People no hope of Peace but generall and desperate tumultuousnesse fall amongst both by laying hold of what is now agreed might bee prevented the King having agreed to what is satisfactory for the payment of Publique debts and damages which yet may in good measure bee performed to satisfie the Souldiers Lenders and Sufferers and ingage them to the interest of our Peace Lastly when we cast our Eyes upon all parts of the Kingdome the present scarcity in the Countries the povertie and disorders in our Cities or when wee look at Sea and behold our Navy divided our Merchants robbed our Trade decayed confusion threatning us on every side These made our bowells yerne within us and call aloud upon us to improve the season and advantage offered by this Vote Before wee conclude this point wee must give Answer to an objection which they insinuate to aggravate the passing this Vote by us in these words Viz. Although the King had finally denyed such things from some of which by their Covenant whereto they had pretended so much zeal and from others by their Publique Faith given they were obliged nos to recede By Which this Paper seems to glance at the Proposition for abolishing of Arch Byshops Byshops c. For sail of their Lands and for settling the Presbyterian Government We cannot but observe its said their Covenâ—â—t and not the Covenant to which they pretended so much zeal Is
the Army without Order from the House and the Army advanced against the Parliament they say in their Letter to the House July the 8 1647 There have been severall Officers of the Armie upon severall occasions sent to his Majestie The first to present to him a Copy of the Representations and after that some others to tender him a Copie of the Remonstrance upon bâ—th which the Officers sent were appointed to â—leer the sense and intentions of any thing in either paper whereupon his Majestie might make any question There they treated with the King and now they offer violence to the Parliament for treating with the King Then in their Remonstrance Juâ— 23. 1647 it is said We châ—rly professe we do not see how there can be any peace to this Kingdom firms or lasting without a due consideration of and provision for the Rights quiet and Immunities of his Majesties Royall Family and his late partakers Now they judge the Majority of the House corrupt and proceed violently against them for moving one step towards a peace with the King though he hath granted more then all their Proposals and make this a necessity sharp enough to justifie the using of their swords contrary to their Commissions This were cause enough to make the unsoundnesse of this plea of necessity appear to all the world and even to be suspected by themselves that serves to justifie contradictions which they are put to by making themselve Judgess of those things they have no calling to meddle with and taking them out of those hands to whom of right it belongs to judge them 2. This plea of necessity which is made in this paper is destructive to all Government For by the same reason that the General Officer urgeth necessity for acting against the command and persons of his Superiours and makes himself Judge of that necessity the inferiour Officer may urge the same necessity in his judgement to act against the commands of his Generall and the Souldiers may urge the like for acting against their Officers and any other 20000 men in the Kingdom to act against the Army and this Army to act as against this Parliament so against any other Government of Representative that shall be set up and so in infinitum 3. Did the Members of Parliament proceed in Parliament contrary to their trust in the judgement of those that did elect them yet it is manifest that the power of advising voting and acting being placed in the Members of Parliament by the Law of the Land and ancient Rights of Parliament they are not accountable much lesse censurable for the use of it according to their own judgment and consciences though contrary to theirs that chose them They are only in such cases accountable to and censurable by the House which they could not reasonably be if they were censâ—rable by the people that sent them For then the Parliament might judge that good service which the Electors judge evill è conversâ— the Electors may judge that evill which the House may judge to be good and so no man can be safe or free in the service of the Parliament But were power and trust placed in the Members of Parliament by law only to be used or not used valid or null at the Electors judgment yet in such case the Members of Parliament were only accountable to the Counties Cities or Boroughs for which they serve and not to Strangers and in no case are they accountable to the Army who are so far from being those from whom they received their Trust that they are only persons in a subordinate Trust under them for their defence from force Which how well they have performed we leave to the judgment of all those who observe their present proceedings 4. These actions which they undertake to justifie are contrary not onely to their trust but to the express letter of the Covenant and Protestation which they have taken And breach of Oath being a morall evill it is not to be justified by necessity and good intentions Saul though a King and thereby qualified to do justice yet for executing the Gibeonites against a Covenant made many hundred yeers before and gained subtilly by the Gibeonites who were not of the children of Israel but of the remnant of the Amorites with whom he might presume to be more bold and though he did this in his zeal to the children of Israel and Judah yet this necessity in his judgment for publick good could not warrant him God brought a Famine upon the Land for this breach of Covenant which ceased not untill it was expiated by the death of seven of his sons that did commit it See here by this instance what legacy they by their present actions may leave to their posterity Having thus laid down these considerations of this plea of Necessity in generall it thereby appears should we say no more though we should be guilty of the â—ensuing particulars with which we are charged yet they could not be innocent nor justified in what they have done against us But for 〈◊〉 furthâ—â— clecâ—â—â—g and their further conviction we come now to enquilâ— inâ—â— those particulars in this Paper in which they hâ—ld forth the necessity that must bear them one wherein the question betwixt us admitting necessity would justifie thâ—â—â— proceedings is thus Whether that which is assigned in the particulars following in their Paper be that necessity wherein we shall joyn issue with them and freely put it to tryall upon the particulars following which are six in number But before we enter upon them we must take notice of what is said from the end of the second page of their Paper unto the end of the fift page wherein are used many words to shew how the Majority of the House came to be formed to serve the Kings and other corrupt Interests The sum of all which is That by the endeavours of some whom they call old Malignant Members and by the practises used in the new Elections there came in a flood of new Burgesses that either are Malignants or Neâ—ters To which we answer That what is done by the majority of the House it is the act of the whole House so what is done against the majority of the House is done against the whole House And to the Charge against the new Burgesses as it is cleer the Ordinance for new Elections was not carried by those we call old Malignants if there be any such in the House except the major part of the House was alwayes Malignants and before the new Election so for the Members which came in upon the new Election which are called Neuters or Malignants in generall without fixing upon any one particular Member to which a 〈◊〉 all in generall were sufficient Yet we shall further adde that of all those Members of the new Election that are secluded or imprisoned we know none but whose Elections are allowed by the House and who are proper Judges thereof and who
either by their services as Souldiers for the Parliament or in their Committees or otherwise by imminent services or sufferings in their Cause gave a testimony of their faithfulnesse to the Parliament before they were elected which may free them from the name of Neuters and Malignants And it were not hard to shew that many Officers of the Army who came in upon the last Elections are chosen by those places where they were scarce known and wherein they have no interest of their own and by what other influence they obtained those Elections we leave it to themselves to judge 〈◊〉 whom it is best known and so come to the first of those six particulars wherein is assigned the extraordinary necessity to justifie their proceedings in their own words First The betraying of IRELAND into the enemies bands by recalling the Lord Lisle from his command there and putting the best part of that Kingdom and where the Parliament had the strongest footing Munster into the hands of Inchequin a native Irish man who hath since revolted from the Parliament hath lately united with the Irish Rebels and with them and Ormond again engaged with the King To which we answer That if Munster be that part of Ireland wherein the Parliament had the best interest the Lord Inchequin did come in himself and bring that interest to the Parliament whom he served against the Irish Rebels and preserved a possession in Munster for the Parliament during the heat of their Wars in England when they had little other interest in Ireland and lesse means to relieve them out of England That the Lord Lisle was not recalled from his command there but his Commission for Lord Lieutenant of Ireland expiring about the fifteenth of April 1647. his Lordship on the seventeenth of April took shipping for England After the Lord Lisles departure out of Munster the Lord Inchequin proceeded successively against the Rebels and took from them many considerable Forts and Castles the Garrison of Oramanagh Cappâ—quin the Town and Castle of Dungarvan the Castle of Calur and others And upon the fourteenth of November following at the battell of Knocknowes he obtained one of the greatest Victories that ever was gotten over the Rebels Army under the command of the Lord Taff wherein were taken of the enemies Horse two hundred slain of the Foot four thousand Officers taken prisoners sixty eight Arms fix thousand the Lieutenant generall slain For all which we refer the Reader to the Letters and Papers concerning these severall services presented to the House and by their Orders published in print These were such testimonies of his reality to the Parliament long after the Lord Lisles coming out of Munster that the House did not call it into question and nothing to the contrary appeared to the Houses untill the third of April 1648. The Army here having disputed the Parliaments Commands the Lord Inchequin began to enter into Remonstrances and engagements against the Parliament for which he made the Remonstrances Engagements and Declarations of the Army the Summer before both the Cause and President as by the Relation made to the House published in print doth appear We mention not these things in the least measure to justifie the Lord Inchequins revolt from the Parliament but have onely related the truth of the matter of fact for our own justification against the Charge in this Paper of betraying Munster and we leave to the Reader to judge whether the Army hath cause to complain of us or reflect upon themselves for the losse of Munster and proceed to the second particular viz. Their endeavours to bring in the King upon his own Terms without satisfaction and security to the Kingdom viz. upon his Message of the twelfth of May 1647. and to this end with so manifest injustice and indignity to diâ—band the Army before any Peace made or assured For the engagement of the twelft of May it is well known the House of Commons upon the first knowledge of that engagement voted it to be treasonable and afterwards both Houses by Ordinance of the seventeenth of December 1647. put 〈◊〉 incâ—patity upon all those in or about the City of London that entred into or contrived acted or â—â—etted that engagement of bearing any Office in the City of London for that yeer which we take to be a sufficient Evidence to prove us herein a right majority as in other parts of their Paper they take the Votes of the House to prove us a corrupt majority The Charge here lying onely in generall and not fixed upon any particular Yet for our further cleering besides the Testimony we have given against the bringing in the King upon any such tearms by our continued insisting upon far higher tearms to which the King hath agreed in the late Treaty we doe every one of us for our selves respectively professe our utter dislike of that engagement or any endeavour to bring in the King upon any engagement made or contrived without the House And for what is said concerning disbanding of the Army we say that the Votes of the House that eight Regiments of Foot four of Horse and one of Dragoons should be sent out of the Army to Ireland which was desired might be in one entire Body and their resolution to contain ten thousand Foot and five thousand four hundred Horse under the command of the Lord Fairfax for the necessary defence of the Kingdom as the state of affairs then stood in England and Ireland as it was to no such end as is alledged but for the relieving of poor distressed Protestants in Iâ—eland the easing of the heavy pressures lying upon the poor people of this Kingdom and an honourable and fit imploying the Forces of that Army to prevent the high Distempers that since have ensued so as it was no injustice nor indignity to the Armie To the third Article viz. That they endeavoured to protect the eleven impeached Members from justice and endeavouring with them to raise a new War We say that as we desire no other protection then our own innocency and the Laws under which we live so we never gave any other protection to the eleven Members then what stood with Law and Justice And for the mislending of two hundred thousand pounds or the greatest part thereof which wâ—â— designed chiefly for Ireland We say that about eighty thousand pound of that money was paid to Mastâ—â—Nicholas Loftus and others for the service of Ireland and above fifty thousand pound to the Treasurers at Waâ— for the Army which might with more reason be said to be misimployed in regard there is an establishment for their pay another way unlesse part of the Army had gone to do Ireland service for that money then what the Reformado Officers and Souldiers who obeyed the Orders of the House for disbanding who received pressed the more earnestly upon the House for part of their Arrears after their Declarations and Remonstrances by the Army for satisfying the Arrears of all
it not their Covenant who have taken it as well as ours We say we took the Covenant without any equivocation or mental reservation and by Gods assistance have endeavoured and shall indeavour to continue faithfull therein although they seem here to scorn both it and us If they make this Objection with any sincerity here what is meant in the third page of their Paper by these words viz. Divâ—ns of those whose Principles were more complyant to a closure with the King upon satisfaction in the particular matiers especially concerning the Form of Religion and Church Government which they mainly affâ—ctâ—d There they suggest that wee fall in with Malignants to obtain the Church Government which wee affect and here they insinuat that we break the Covenant in not insisting more for it But for the Covenant wee say the Kings Answer takes away Church Government by Arch Bishops Bishops c. by taking away their Courts and so farre takes away their Power of Ordination that it can never be revived again but by an Act of Parliament so that Episcopacy is divested of any actuall being by the Law of the Land and instead thereof the Presbyterian Government is put into possession by a Law for three yeares And wee say that the King having granted the rest of the Propositions and so much in this the Covenant doth not oblige us to make Warre upon this point to gaine what wee desired after the three yeares and shall really and constantly endeavour to obtain in our places and Callings Nothing could have made the Kingdome more irreconsileable to the Presbyterie then to have made that the sole Obstruction of the Peace and state of Warreâ— and it is evident except wee should put out the eye of our reason that besides the hope we might have of His Majesties comming neerer to us in this point and in the Covenant it selfe upon our comming neerer to Him in the absolute concluding and declarâ—ng of Peace the Parliament by what is granted already is put into a better capacity for setling Presbytery by a perpetuall Law then as things now stand they can reasonably presume of by the continuance of Warre The power of the sword apparently threatning not only the destruction of this Government of the Church but the being of the Church if Almighty God prevent not by striking at the foundations of our Faith contemning conscientious Ministers and Ministery it self taking away their Maintenance obstructing the Reformation of the Universities slighting of learning and professedly promoting a most licentious Toleration for all manner of Errors Heresies Schismes and prophaness in the Kingdome This being our present condition we hope we shall be sufficiently cleared from the least suspition of declining in our zeal to the Covenant which we have taken in what we have done For the Publick Faith passed upon the sale of Bishops lands We say that though the Purchasers might have afforded to have giveâ— the same rates for their purchases if they might have had them assured to them by Act of Parliamentâ—for 99 years and such moderate â—ents reserved as the King â—â—timated in His Answer yet according to His Answer expressing further a satisfaction to be given to them we should not have consented to any such Act of Parliament for setling the remainder in Him and ensuring the said Rents until the Purchasers who were in possession and still held by the same Title under which they bought them should be satisfied And in case they should not be so satisfied we were not by the said Vote concluded from insisting further for a full Confirmation of their purchases having never actually agreed with the King upon any such Terms but prestâ— it is the last to get a full confirmation thereof and only Voted that this was a sufficient ground to proceed further And now we appeal to the Purchasers themselves whether we ought to have made an absolute breach upon this point or thereby should have performed our Publique Faith to the whole Kingdome and themselves As to what is said that the corrupt majority would not lend an Eare to admit a thought towards the laying down their own power or rendring it back to the People from whom they received it Wee answer that this is an unreasonable objection by them who endeavours to perpetuate an Army upon the Kingdome Nor is the continuance of this Parliament objected at large but that we are not willing to render our Power back again to the People by which means as their other Papers and actions tell us a new Representative made by the Army so that the complaint in effect is that we are not willing to render the power put into us for the Government of the Kingdome into the hands of the Army which wee conâ—esse wee think wee ought not to doe But as there is little doubt to be made that before an absolute conclusion of Peace with the King an Act might have been had for putting a Period in short time to this Parliament We for our parts when the Kingdome should had been in quiet possession of these Propositions by Acts of Parliament upon the conclusion and settlement of Peace There are no persons living would be more desirous then our selves to put a Period to our service in Parliament and leave it to the care of succeeding Parliaments to preserve what this hath gained to our Posterity Wee should have ended this point here but for one objection more which is made by their other Papers against any Agreement with the King viz. That whatsoever the King grants in this Treaty hee may plead force to breake it and that for any thing can bee discovered hee is like to use his endeavours to spoile us by policy of what we have gained by the expence of so much bloud For answer hereunto We say first That this objection lies against any agreement with the King though hee granted all the Houses desired or could desire and against any agreement betwixt King and people after a Warre made It can hardly be imagined after such differences but that for sometime animosities will remain and a disposition in those who thinke they have lost any part of their power to regain it It being naturall to all men in power to increase their power That this objection lay as strong against all former Treaties with His Majesty for Peace after the Warre began and against the declared end of the Parliaments Warre and of all just Warre a good Peace with His Majesty But more particularly wee say That the weight of this objection depends only upon an uncertain conjecture of what may or may not bee hereafter and the former experience which this Kingdome hath had in keeping such Agreements made in the heat of former differences strengthened us against the feare of the danger of it And though sometimes the Kings of this Realme and particularly this King have adventured to weaken their owne Grants for a time yet they have ever beene regained with advantage