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A71056 An apology of the treatise De non temerandis ecclesiis against a treatie by an unknowne authour, written against it in some particulars / by Sir Henry Spelman Knight ; also his epistle to Richard Carew Esquire, of Anthony in Cornwall concerning tithes. Spelman, Henry, Sir, 1564?-1641. 1646 (1646) Wing S4917; ESTC R19621 39,391 64

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