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A02375 The contre-Guyse vvherein is deciphered the pretended title of the Guyses, and the first entrie of the saide family into Fraunce, with their ambitious aspiring and pernitious practises for the obtaining of the French crowne. 1589 (1589) STC 12506; ESTC S120871 51,697 96

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the bodie or rather to slay and not to heale to vexe not to comfort by darkenesse to shewe light and by crueltie to teach courtesie If thou wilt not destroy thou must vse instruction to instruct thou must subuert to subuert thou must conuince and to conuince reason is necessarie Is it reason to passe to condemnation before proofe to commit the stewes to the reformation of harlots and the execution of sentence to the partie adiudged To the generall reasons of this discourse the king of Nau. and prince of Conde do adde particulat exceptions As that by decree of Charles the 6. published anno 1369. it was forbidden to excommunicate any towne communaltie bodie or colledge of this realme besides that by the priuiledges of the lilly the Pope can not excommunicate either the k● or his subiectes so that Clement the 5. by his bull made voide the interdiction of Boniface the 8. against Philip the faire declared this realme exēpt frō the Popes power so was accounted adiudged by Alexander the 4. Grogory the 8. 9. 10. 11. Clement the 4. Vrban the 5. Benedict the 12. Also in the yeare 1488. the kings proctor appealed as of abuse from the excommunication that the Pope had cast vpon the inhabitantes of Gaunt vassals to the crowne of France And the court of Parliament by a decree of the 27. of Iune 1526. and an other of the last of Ianuary 1552. declared the clause by the Apostolike authoritie inserted into the Popes rescriptes and sent into France to be voide and abusiue Againe when in March 1563. the Romish inquisition had cited the Queene of Nauarre personally to appeare before the Pope within 6. months vnder paine of confiscation of goods king Charles the 9. thinking that this adiournment touched his honor and the priuiledges of his realme tolde the Popes Nuntio that hee would chastise the authors of that enterprise As in the like case did Lewes the young 1143. deale with Tibault Earle of Champagne who had procured Raoul Earle of Vermandois to be censured Hereunto do I adde with Du Du Tillet cap. of the Peere Tillet bishop of Meaux that wee ought not to suffer a peere to be excommunicate because we are to be conuersant with him about the kinges counsels who in case hee had not whereof to liue ought to finde him Vpon such reasons examples and priuiledges do the king of Nauar prince of Conde depende and as true Frenchmen make a shield against the enimies of France who for preparing the way to their ambition with the price of the poore people do studie to corrupt those goodly priuiledges vsing the priest of Rome as the minister of their furie who being filled with rashnosse haue hatched The Guizians second pretence all the tragedies at this day played in France yea euen so farre as to seeke to make the king to nominate a successor to the Crowne In olde time the Dictator Fabius Buteo endeuouring to bring into order that which time and necessitie had disordered sayde that he would not depose out of the Senate anie of those whome the Censors C. Flaminius Liuius li. 3. dec 3. and L. Aemilius had established Who can then beleeue that the king woulde depriue from the right of the realme those that are called not by the Censors but by the lawe which is the ●●le of Censure I meane that grounded lawe of France by vertue whereof the successor is seised in a manner during his predecessors life and without other inuestiture is halfe possessioner wherof groweth this prouerbe In France the king neuer dieth Besides to corrupt those lawes whereby hee reigneth after his predecessors euen since the beginning of this Monarchie were as much as to hate himselfe for although we liue vnder a soueraigne whose handes can not be bound yet must we say with L. Valerius against the Oppian law There be lawes that Liuius li. 4. dec 4. be inuiolable in respect of the perpetuall profite of the common wealth and there be others necessarie for a time only those do neuer die but these are mortall according to the diuersitie of occurrences So that these thinges thus by nature distinguished we place first the laws Royall and such as concerne the state of the realm because they be annexed and vnited to the crowne as is this lawe of succession to the preiudice wherof the king can not elect any other successor then whom the same doth appoint him and in this case we may say that which Pacatius saide to the Emperour Theodosius That onely is lawfull for thee to doo Bartol in li. prohibere Plane f. quod fiant clam that the lawes do permit and no otherwise for diuerse considerations First that that is obserued in part must take place in all But the kings do holde it for a generall rule that the publike demaynes are by nature holy sacred and inalienable For that cause was the towne of Zikeleg that Achis gaue to Dauid neuer alienated And the kinges of Englande France Spaine and Polande do sweare neuer to dismember their demaynes yea the king of Englande in his treatie with the Pope and Potentates of Italy added this clause That they should giue no part of the demaynes of Fraunce for the deliuerie of king Frances The reason is because the demaines of the Crowne is a publike valuation in respect of the prosperitie thereof the profite whereof is made priuate and particular to the king that reigneth only so long as he liueth This caused the Emperour Pertinax to raze his name that was grauen in demainiall inheritances that Antonine the pitifull would not dwell but vpon his owne inheritance and that Lewes the 8. chose rather to sell his owne moueables iewels for the satisfying of his legacies then to touch the demains which considering the other rights of the common wealth can be tearmed but a part thereof so that if the king can not alienate much lesse may he passe away his kingdome and subiectes from one stocke to an other The second consideration shall be taken of the example of tutors who as witnesseth Aulus Gellius lib. 5. cap. 9. could not passe away their pupils into other mens power neither kinges their subiectes considering that they are onely tutors to the people to whose generall benefite their eyes ought to be more open then to their owne particular commodities and by the saying of an auncient man Euen as tutorshippe so the charge of Cicer. lib. 1 Offic. the common wealth hath more regarde to the profite of the Gouernors then of the gouerned So that if the king being ledde by euill counsell transferreth his realme the fittest to succeed may frustrate whatsoeuer hath beene done to his preiudice which was put in practise by Charles the 7. against Henry the 5 king of France and England who in respect of his marriage with Lady Katherin of France daughter to Charles the 6. was inuested in this realme as appeareth by the
counsell do make it void as also the protestations of our kings and the parliaments of this realme take from it al strength beauty what reasons then haue we to conuince these protestants of heresie Where they confesse not the bishop of Rome to be vniuersall they say S. Gregory taught that it was a prophane name sacrilegious and a foregoing of Cap. 16. Antichrist for saith he if he that is named vniuersall stumbleth the whole Church falleth They doo also alledge the 3. Councell of Carthage wherein it was forbiddē that any shuld be called Prince of bishops Authent Col. 2. tit 4. For as for that which wee reade in the Autenticals touching the high Priest they greatly suspect it and as Duarene noteth that constitution is not to be seene in the greek Code If they walke in darkenes if Duaren de sac sand Eccles ministeriis li. 1. cap. 10. August Epist 12. they be blind in that mistery which we cal the holy sacramēt of the altar let vs shew thē the light cōdemne S. Austē of heresie who against Adamantus the disciple of Manichee saith thus these three things The blood is water This is my body and The stone was Christ are spoken figuratiuely by signe and by significatiō Let vs reiect that which Tertullian writeth against Tertu lib. 4 Amb. lib. de sacram Cap. 1. Marcion Iesus Christ hauing taken bread and broken it to his disciples made it his body by saying This is my body that is to say the signe of my bodie Let vs correct Ambrose Like as in baptisme thou hast receiued the similitude of death euen so hast thou also in this sacrament dronke the similitude of the pretious bloud of Christ Where as they bee so grosse that they cannot comprehend purgatorie let vs prooue vnto them that the bloud of our Lord is not sufficient to purge vs from our sinnes Let vs plainely shewe them the name or doctrine of Purgatorie in the scripture and reiect this place of Chrisostome When we craue mercie Chrisost hom 2. in 50. Psalm we do it to the end not to be examined of our sinne to the ende not to be dealt with according to the rigor of iustice to the ende all punishment may cease for where there is mercie there resteth no farther torture examination extremitie or paine For eating flesh in Lent they do it say they by the permission of Pope Eleutherius by the authoritie Dist 30. ca. 51. quis of the Councel of Bracare holden in the yeare 619. and of the 13. Councel of Tolete which excommunicateth all such as forbid the eating of flesh at all times indifferently Also by the example of the holie bishop of Cyrus Spiridon who said That hee durst Hist Tripart lib. 1. cap. 10. freely eat flesh in lent because he was a Christian In that they adorne not their temples with sundrie pictures and images It is say they because Athanasius thus crieth out against the Gentiles Whie come yee not to the knowledge of God by the true creatures rather then by shadowes and remembrances It is because they credite the saying of Lactance Firmian Lact. lib. 2. Instit ca. 1. That God whose spirite and power is dispersed al ouer can not bee absent and therefore that the image is superfluous It is because they be tyed to this place of Augustine August de Cuit lib. 4. cap. 9. 13 The first bringers in of Images tooke the feare of God out of the world and augmented error If their ministers marry they do it because we say that marriage is a sacrament and the ministers of the church ought to participate in euery sacrament they doo it because S. Ambrose saith Let no man be restrained lest while we forbid him a thing lawfull he falleth to vnlawfull They do it because in Euseb they find that Euseb li. 3. cap. 27. S. Peter Philip were married They do it because S. Austē saith That he dare not prefer S. Iohns virginity Aug. tract de Nupt. cap. 21. before Abrahams marriage They do it because Pope Pius said that for good cause they had takē mariage from priestes but for greater cause they ought to restore it They doo it least men should haue occasion with Platina de vitis pontisicum Pope Alexander to say That God hath taken awaie sonnes from Priests but the diuell hath giuen them Nephenes As for other points in controuersie if we deepely and fully consider of them we shall finde that they consist rather in outward ceremonies of the church then in substance of doctrine which is not cause sufficient to denounce them heretikes for heresie hath relation to the substantiall points of faith not to the outward ceremonies But howsoeuer it be by the order of the common and ancient decrees they cānot be accounted heretikes before they haue bin admonished by sundrie synodes iudged by a councell whereupon Pope Gregorie the seuenth writeth to the Princes of Germanie concerning the excōmunication of the Emperor Henry the fourth thus We haue sought to bring him to repentance but to Abbas vsperg in Hen. 4. our faire songs he hath lent the adders eare Also Pope Innocent the third speaking of heretikes saith If a bishop with his chapter haue condemned any man of heresie let him be accursed He must therfore be iudged before he be condemned and heard before he bee L. Diuus F. de in Integ restit Solomenes lib. 1. ca. 16. iudged otherwise the Lawyer Marcellus sheweth that the partie absent is to bee restored against the sentence pronounced in the preiudice of his reasons not alledged Likewise the Emperor Cōstātine for the cutting off of the heresie of Arrius a priest Euag. lib. 2. cap. 2. of Alexandria called the first councell of Nice where he gaue day of assignation to the Arrians Martian for abolishing the error of Eutiches called the fourth councell at Calcedon Theodosius the 2. Euag. lib. 1 cap. 3. 4. assembled the 3. at Ephesus against the heresie of Nestorius Gratian and Theodose Emperors for rooting out the doctrine of Macedonius called the second at Constantinople And yet do we binde the Popes to mount Caucasus we make them to turne Ixions wheele roule Sisiphus stone when we call for a councell so that the K. of the Romains and K. Lewis the 12. in the yeare 1510. could obtaine none at the hands of Pope Iulius the 2. Also when Charles the 5. being at Bologne by his Chancelor ptopounded a generall assembly of all Christian Bishops Pope Clement answered him in bitter words that it needed not sith that all nēw opinions were condemned by the ancient councels aswel might he haue said that the ancient coūcels were superfluous considering that the holy Ghost in his word cōdemneth all heresies But the chiefe purpose of councels tendeth to call heretikes to repentance to pray to God in thē to fulfil the prophecie of Ezechiell I will