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A85071 The Faithfull narrative of the late testimony and demand made to Oliver Cromwel, and his powers, on the behalf of the Lords prisoners, in the name of the Lord Jehovah (Jesus Christ,) king of saints and nations. Published by faithful hands, members of churches (out of the original copies) to prevent mistakes, and misreports thereupon. To the faithful remnant of the Lamb, who are in this day of great rebuke and blasphemy, ingaged against the beast and his government, especially, to the new non-conforming churches, and saints in city and country, commonly called by the name of fifth monarchy men. Horton, Hur. 1655 (1655) Wing F278; Thomason E830_20; ESTC R207450 41,484 44

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reproach of pure Religion and undefiled This is the summe of our Message which we are sent to deliver to you in the name of the Lord and whether you will hear or whether you will forbear we leave it with you and to your conscience before God the Righteous Judge of heaven and earth After long waiting they obtained accesse and all Twelve being present together one as the mouth of them delivered the message but the word DEMAND would not go down wel but the Lord Cromwel told them that Mr. Feak and Mr. Rogers suffered not for conscience but as evil-doers and busie bodies in other mens matters One of the Twelve then said if so why were they not tryed by some known and just law and convicted for evil doers but to keep them there in so long and cruell Imprisonment without shewing cause was contrary to Gods law and the just laws of men besides they were sick and weakly men but he said he would put it to an Issue upon Friday or Tuesday as he said Mr. Rogers should be brought before him On the sixth day of this twelfth Moneth being the third day of the week the Brethren and sisters many of them of the Society met together and with much difficulty got into the prison to pray with Mr. Rogers which they continued till between three and four of the clock and then they were called away by the Gaoler to go to White-Hall according to his Lord Protectors Order so that in the name of another the Lord Protectour of heaven and earth the great Jehovah whose face they had so solemnly and so often sought for his presence with them Mr. Rogers set out of Lambeth along with Harding his Keeper Febr. 6. last 1654. and the rest from the Church-society twenty Brethren being the most going along with him much rejoycing as they went according to Acts 5.41 that they were so honoured to be called before men for the Name Faith and Cause of Jesus and when they came to Whitehall Bridge others of the dear Saints of several Churches waiting with tears and prayers and acclamations partly of joy and partly of grief to receive him and with an unamimous Suffrage and signal tokens of love to him and to this blessed Cause he suffers in they prayed the Lords presence to accompany him so we passed by and Mr. Rogers was by his Keeper carried into the Chamber hard by the Councel Chamber but the Keeper onely had admittance into the long Gallery to give notice that the Prisoner was there but by and by he came out again and told Mr. Rogers and his friends that they must all go down again and go through the Guard chamber but Mr. Rogers answered that was strange being come so near where the Great Man was they must now go down to go through the Guard Chamber and about again but the Keeper answered they must do it he had order for it which he did not in the least resisting but the main end was as they found afterwards to try whether they were sword-proof or no So by force Mr. Rogers and his friends were carried the other way back again through the Guard-Chamber many other people flocked about them the Keeeper going foremost Mr. Rogers and his wife next to him and his friends following close after him untill they came up to the Guard Chamber-doore immediately was the word of Command given to the Guard who assoon as they saw them and us coming in fell foully upon us with their swords and their Halberds saying The harsh usage of the poore persecuted fisth Monarchy-men Keep back Keep back to which Mr. Rogers answered with all his heart he would go back but his Keeper would not let him we also said if they would give us liberty we would go back as fast as we could but they wruld not hear us but fell upon us with a word and a blow slashing and striking in a most violent manner calling us Rogues damned Rogues and evacuating the most venomous words in their bellies c. but we told them not one of us had a weapon but the Bible in their hands some had and so we told them but some said the sword of the Spirit would be too hard for them one day which occasioned them to be the more violent who struck to choose at their Bibles hands and heads and so followed them sighting slashing and beating the poore naked Christians all the way into the Court again and there laying about them too and saying they cared not for their Bibles still inculcating insulting and calling us damned Rogues and cursed dogs and the like but Mr. Rogers and two or three more were shut in among their swords whiles the rest of the brethren were kept without in the Court and did with very much patience bear all their railings reproachings scoffs scorns flouts jeers and injuries offered them all the while by the Souldiers and others of the Court-creatures in the mean time Mr. Rogers with two or three more were brought into the Chamber of Henry the eighth where were many Gentlemen of the Court complexion some excusing the aforesaid violence and assault saying it was by accident to which he answered he conceived it not but that it was rather a plot and for ought he knew there might be a designe to murder some or other for the word was given to fall on and it is conceived by most that they did it on purpose to raise us to a mutiny that so they might have had at least in appearance or pretence some or a more Just Cause against Mr. Rogers and his friends in Church fellowship with him for the Guardians confesse they did but as they were commanded Whilest some were excusing this affront put upon Christ and his persecuted Churches others said it was good enough for us and it was pity we were not worse used than we were Mr. Rogers in the interim was talking with others and two of the Guard told him how sorry they were their fellows were so rough and drew their swords slashing so fiercely and what a mercy it was no more mischief was done seeing they had the command given them to do what they did and that it was the readinesse of some amongst them against us especially the outlandish There was a short discourse between Mr. Rogers and some others A.S. Why did you come up there Mr. R. We were sent for and commanded to come yea brought by force upon you Nota. and by your Masters Command who fell a slashing us with your swords so that it is probable it was a Design against us on purpose else why should peaceable men that had no kind of weapons in their hands or about them without sword or stuffe but onely the Bibles with us poore naked men and women be forced by Order and command to come before your Master and be thus abused affronted slashed and driven into dangers but the Lord is righteous who will judge W.F. But
why came you with so many Ro. We were sent for and commanded and those that came are Christians and Church-members no wayes uncivil or disor●drly A.S. Well it s well it was no worse Ro. It was the Lord that made it so For so it was to to the late King and his court when his Messengers and Guard-men fell upon the Citizens with their swords at the gate there was his blood shed in whose name we came and he hath delivered us from your Fury and the rage of the sword for they struck with rage fury and high purpose to do more mischief than they did but it is Heb. 11. By faith they obtained promises escaped the edge of the sword c. and so-have we escaped Yours though some do bear the mark but the Lord Jesus will reward them when he comes And you see Gentlemen your sword cuts bluntly and doth little execution upon the poove fifth Monarchy men though they be but naked and unarmed and it may be this businesse will be ominous to you in this place A.S. We wonder to see so many women and what they meant Ro. And are ye so fearfull It may be it is true then what we hear that the barking of a dog lately running about the yard gave you a very great alarm seeing the sight of a few women hath frighted you so pitifully as to draw your swords upon them and hurt them alas poor hearts you are pitifully affrighted it seems what would you have done then at the sight of weapons if a few white aprons makes you flie to your swords and Halberds but by and by came a Gentleman Messenger to Mr. Rogers saying that his Lord was at leasure to speak with him but the Keeper at the doore suffered none to go in with him save whom they listed One of the Twelve that was sent for going in with Mr. Rogers a Guard-man standing by took him by the shoulders in a very Hostile manner and tore his cleak off his back and abused him but Mr. Rogers and three or four more went into the Chamber where their Great Master was to whom some of his Court-Sycophants had told such tales as they used to do to justifie themselves and complained first which is the Machiavillian Policy and Principle as if we had intended a tumult which was a thing our souls abhorred and a most impudent untruth for there was not one had a weapon or staffe with them or spake one uncivil word but after Mr. Rogers with three or four more were brought into the Room by Serjeant Dendy the Great man had with him two Gentlemen more who stood by the fire-side and a Pistol lay prepared at the Window where he himself at first was then he came to the fire-side in great Majesty without moving or shewing the least civility of a man though all stood bare to him and gave respect by and by he spake and bid one call in two or three more of the Church-Saciety or of the Twelve that had been with him before when the DEMAND was made whiles they were gone for them saith he O.C. I sent for some of you Mr. Rogers and some more of the Church but you bring with you about 250 men to make tumults and risings therefore send them away or I will not speak one word to which Mr. Rogers answered and to give him a civil respect said my Lord Ro. You are ruled much by informations which you take upon the reports of them about you whether true or fulse which brings the Lords people into so much trouble by you but there is no such matter O.P. Hi You will talk I see although it be nothing to purpose who speaks to you with that he turns to one of his Creatures saying What say you is there not so many Servant His Servant answered yes and it please your Highnesse there 's above 100. below and it is to be feared they might have made a Tumult Ro. If they must be believed they must yet this I may say I think there are not thirty men that belong to us and besides they are all peaceable Christians related to us in the Faith of the Gospel all unarmed apprehending your order and command to reach them and they are onely those with us as have been this day together seeking the face of the Lord and now according to your Order at four a clock attending here But by this time Company was coming in apace into the room The Room fills with the Courtiers at both doores but all were Court-Creatures to the number of fourscore or more as we conceive either of the Councel Army men Lawyers and Counsellours or of his Creatures that were his Ministers or new made Gentlemen or the like but not one of them related to Mr. Rogers or that Church-Society till at last with much adoe two or three more were crowded in of them but all the rest were left waiting below in the Yard abused scoffed hissed and whooted at by some of the Souldiers as will appear by and by O.P. I promised to send for you He begins his long Speech with manifest reproaching and manifold untruths for some of your friends came and spake sharply to me as it I had Apostated from the cause of Christ and persecuting godly Ministers naming Mr. Rogers and Mr. Feak and spake other things that were sharp enough you might have had patience in your words Now you have liberty to speak to those things but do not abuse your liberty you told me Mr. R. suffered son the Gospel I told you he suffered as a Railer s a Seducer and a Busie Body in other mens matters and a stirrer up of sedition which Rulers led by just principles might suppress I told you Mr. Rogers suffered justly and not for the Testimony of Jesus Christ and indeed in some degree it is Blasphemy to call suffering for evil doing suffering for the Gospel and if he suffers for Reailing and despising those that God hath set over us to say this his suffering ● for the Gospel is making Christ the Patron of such things but if it were suffering for the Gospel something might have been said yet not so much as saying uncharitably he suffered for evil-doing so that I say this is the thing in Scripture and if we shew you that you suffer for transgression then you abuse that Scripture which I have often thought on that it is to make a man an offendor for a word I wish it were better understood in the plainnesse of the spirit for to interpret that Scripture it was the evil of those times And is it not the evil of these Times so that he is condemned out of his own mouth as in Luk. 19.22 which was to he in wait for words on purpose to catch at words without actions and that is a finne but some words are actions and words are conjugall with actions for actions and words are as sharp as swords and such things I
be as evil doers O.P. I cannot tell you then how to help it B. H. For my part I must declare against you and will venture my life if I be called to it with these our brethren that suffer B. Cr. As for those Articles we have heard them read against our bro. Ro. out of his Sermons preached at Tho. Apost and from what he prayed at Th. Apost Set aside but what is put in by your Informers which we wil take our Oathes that heard them all preached were never spoken by him only I say that excepted we will live and die with him upon those Articles will own him with our lives Yea said Mr. Ro. and I believe an hundred will that heard and writ them O. P. Well saith he I 'll send for some of you ere long but I have lost this time and have publike business upon me at this time I had rather have given 500 l. I tell you there wants brotherly love and the several sorts of Forms would cut the throats one of another should not I keep the peace Ro. Those you call Fifth Monarchy-men are driven by your Sword to love one another O.P. Why I tell you there be Anabaptists pointing at Mr. Kifsin and they would cut the throats of them that are not under their Forms so would the Presbyterians cut the throats of them that are not of their Forms and so would you Fifth Monarchy-men It is sit to keep all these Forms out of the Power Ro. Who made you my Lord a Judge of our Principles You speak evil of you know not what For that Fifth Monarchy-principle as you call it is of such a latitude as takes in all Saints all such as are sanctified in Christ Jesus without respect of what Form or Judgement he is But Judiciuns fit secundum vim intellectualis luminis He was interrupted O.P. What do you tell us of your Latine Ro. Why my Lord you are Chancellor of Oxford and can you not bear that Language B. C. My Lord we have great comfort by the Ministery of our brother Rogers and great miss of him and therefore we have demanded his Liberty and desire to know whether he shall be at liberty or no. O.P. I will take my own time you shall not know what I will do B. H. Then let us have liberty to hear him preach S. Dendy It cannot be my Lord for I have many prisoners and 't is dangerous * And yet for all S. Dendy's baseness to the poor persecuted people of God And his readiness to prevent the great mans answer he can let in as many as will come to the drunken profane prisoners plotters so that friends are glad to use their names if they know any of them that come to see Mr. Rogers Ro. Pray my Lord consider that place in Isa 49.24 25 26. for the Lord will deliver the lawful Captive in that day which is coming you can but have my blood at last and you had like to have had it already in the Prison ere this two of my children have died there since my imprisonment and I have been at Deaths-door B. H. It is unreasonable our brother Ro. should be kept prisoner so in such a place and at such a charge as is for him above 200 l. per an and we know no cause for it but his conscience Then S. Dendy was spoken to to answer for himself S. D. Now my Lord I see one of my Accusers I never demanded a peny of Mr. Ro. nor of my Aunt his wife who is one of Sir Robert Payne's daughters O.P. I knew her father very well S. D. But they have my Lord three rooms and it cannot be allowed Ro. No more room then one prisoner had before being divided into three little rooms and but one chimney in them All. The Plotter that went out before I came into them had them All. And for the Fees though you in person demanded them not yet your man old Measey did for you several times viz. 4 l. 4 s. per week which he did before witness as I can prove under their hands and he said I should not go out till the Sergeant had it And what besides I was to pay you I was not to know till I went out Mrs. Ro. said to Sergeant Dendy It 's true you have had but 5 l. yet of it O.P. Why he is your Nephew who was accounted one that loved the people of God Ro. So were others as well as he till this trial Mr. Cre. My Lord will you not give us the liberty to hear him in the Prison then seeing you will not let us hear him abroad O.P. Is that the liberty you sought for says he in a scoff Mr. Cr. Yes Sir and that which we demand But then the Great man would be gone and as he was going out Mr. Ro. desired him to remember he must be judged and the day of the Lord was neer and that he would ere long and those about him finde them that now he and they counted false Prophets in Windsor and Lambeth true Prophets and what they have said they should finde come to pass ere many yeers yet for that the righteous Jehovah who sitteth on high heareth all our prayers sighs groans and tears But away he went and would not hear As soon as we came out of the room Sergeant Dendy in the Gallery threatned what he would do and how he would send them further off and order them ere long Mr. Rogers receiving the threatning without impatience or one word of reply unto him That very night a strict Order was sent after him to Lambeth-prison that no more then six may come to see Mr. R. at a time no such Order being made for any of the other Prisoners who have of lend company as many as they will at a time And since that the Gaoler hath been so strict especially upon the Lords days according to his Orders from Whitehal that he will not suffer one brother to come in to see him or to pray with him that is sent from the Churches of Christ upon those days if he knows him to keep a holy rest with Mr. R. In the mean time the Contumelies Contempt and opprobrious abuses the members of Mr. Peak's Mr. Rogers's Mr. Raworth's and of some other Churches met with below in the yard during the foresaid Discourse with O. Cromwel But to pass over that and leave it to the Judge of heaven and earth who we are sure will not overpass it During this Discourse between Mr. R. and the Great man above the Brethren that were below in the yard had their share of reproaches and abuses For the members of the Churches of Christ who could not have access with Mr. Ro. were kept below and encompassed about with divers of the deboist Souldiers who when they heard us declare against those barbarous actions which the Guard so cruelly acted with their Swords against our naked brethren and friends those