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be_v suspect_v unlawful_a practice_n to_o many_o and_o thus_o they_o be_v bar_v from_o communion_n with_o you_o in_o sacrament_n and_o therefore_o you_o have_v no_o reason_n to_o slight_v other_o modest_a expression_n here_o as_o you_o do_v pag._n 333._o they_o judge_v they_o think_v they_o esteem_v they_o unlawful_a and_o they_o can_v be_v satisfy_v about_o they_o though_o you_o be_v far_o short_a of_o answer_v all_o that_o have_v be_v say_v to_o prove_v some_o thing_n enjoin_v unlawful_a yet_o suppose_v a_o man_n ignorant_a err_a and_o mistake_v here_o not_o without_o fault_n notwithstanding_o he_o must_v suspend_v his_o own_o act_n till_o he_o be_v better_o inform_v and_o satisfy_v about_o it_o and_o here_o i_o will_v again_o mind_v you_o of_o those_o significant_a expression_n irenic_n pag._n 119._o let_v man_n turn_v and_o wind_n themselves_o which_o way_n they_o will_v by_o the_o very_a same_o argument_n
sutton_n p._n 27._o n._n 9_o you_o be_v put_v in_o mind_n of_o it_o to_o inquire_v whether_o there_o be_v not_o some_o in_o public_a place_n not_o very_o well_o satisfy_v with_o what_o they_o have_v do_v who_o come_v not_o up_o to_o your_o church-rule_n as_o some_o read_v not_o all_o the_o commonpray_a they_o be_v enjoin_v to_o read_v and_o yet_o have_v declare_v their_o assent_n and_o consent_v to_o the_o use_n at_o least_o as_o you_o will_v have_v it_o some_o use_v not_o the_o surplice_n some_o omit_v the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n some_o dare_v not_o put_v away_o from_o the_o sacrament_n any_o mere_o for_o not_o kneel_v and_o yet_o you_o charge_v not_o such_o with_o schism_n pag._n 148._o n._n 5._o yet_o have_v they_o different_a rule_n or_o at_o least_o they_o differ_v from_o your_o rule_n as_o well_o as_o nonconformist_n and_o i_o know_v not_o whether_o you_o may_v not_o be_v understand_v to_o allow_v man_n to_o go_v from_o their_o parish_n church_n pag._n 145._o n._n 1._o provide_v 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charge_v we_o with_o commit_v a_o very_a great_a sin_n and_o where_o he_o cite_v calvin_n and_o beza_n p._n 422._o we_o may_v well_o be_v confident_a that_o they_o can_v not_o have_v submit_v to_o such_o term_n as_o be_v put_v upon_o we_o and_o if_o he_o himself_o have_v submit_v unto_o all_o that_o be_v require_v of_o we_o when_o he_o be_v here_o in_o england_n have_v he_o submit_v to_o re-ordination_a and_o own_a bishop_n aâ—a_o distinct_a order_n from_o presbyter_n of_o apostolical_a institution_n i_o very_o much_o question_n whether_o it_o may_v not_o have_v draw_v the_o displeasure_n of_o his_o brethren_n upon_o he_o if_o not_o their_o censure_n at_o his_o return_n as_o he_o speak_v p._n 421._o add_v p._n 423._o when_o i_o see_v what_o he_o say_v of_o the_o first_o author_n of_o the_o separation_n i_o can_v but_o wish_v he_o have_v know_v they_o he_o condemn_v some_o write_n as_o unreasonable_a and_o passionate_a possible_o he_o may_v mean_v our_o answer_n to_o your_o sermon_n 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though_o he_o say_v the_o distinction_n betwixt_o the_o bishop_n and_o priest_n be_v very_o ancient_a yet_o have_v he_o be_v require_v to_o own_o this_o distinction_n as_o ground_v on_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o to_o assert_v the_o right_n of_o episcopacy_n as_o of_o apostolical_a institution_n i_o very_o much_o question_n whether_o this_o will_v not_o have_v gravel_v he_o add_v p._n 440._o i_o believe_v there_o be_v very_o few_o to_o be_v find_v among_o we_o that_o question_n the_o ordination_n of_o all_o ordain_v by_o bishop_n and_o many_o will_v be_v glad_a if_o it_o be_v permit_v that_o some_o of_o you_o will_v sometime_o help_v we_o in_o our_o meeting_n where_o he_o speak_v of_o christian_a unity_n and_o concord_n to_o my_o poor_a understanding_n mr._n corbet_n speak_v more_o sound_o accurate_o and_o distinct_o p._n 441._o he_o be_v express_o against_o tyranny_n over_o the_o soul_n and_o man_n force_v the_o conscience_n by_o impose_v a_o necessity_n to_o believe_v that_o 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in_o thing_n necessary_a but_o there_o be_v more_o than_o a_o single_a difference_n of_o ceremony_n where_o no_o difference_n be_v allow_v but_o the_o same_o ceremony_n be_v impose_v on_o all_o though_o one_o part_n can_v look_v on_o they_o as_o innocent_a ceremony_n p._n 442._o speak_v of_o the_o protestant_a church_n in_o france_n he_o say_v we_o utter_o disapprove_v and_o see_v with_o grief_n certain_a extreme_n whereinto_o some_o of_o the_o one_o side_n and_o the_o other_o do_v cast_v themselves_o the_o one_o look_v upon_o episcopacy_n as_o a_o order_n so_o absolute_o necessary_a that_o without_o it_o there_o can_v be_v no_o ecclesiastical_a society_n etc._n etc._n then_o according_a to_o they_o there_o may_v be_v true_a church_n true_a minister_n without_o bishop_n and_o as_o they_o be_v ready_a to_o
be_v it_o not_o a_o shameful_a thing_n to_o hear_v and_o read_v man_n tragical_a outcries_a against_o necessary_a toleration_n which_o christianity_n and_o humanity_n plead_v for_o while_o they_o be_v the_o cause_n of_o that_o which_o they_o exclaim_v against_o if_o diversity_n in_o religion_n be_v such_o a_o evil_a whether_o shall_v man_n cause_v it_o by_o their_o unnecessary_a law_n and_o canon_n and_o make_v engine_n to_o tear_v the_o church_n in_o piece_n which_o by_o the_o ancient_a simplicity_n and_o command_v mutual_a forbearance_n will_v live_v in_o such_o a_o measure_n of_o love_n and_o peace_n as_o may_v be_v here_o expect_v ib._n p._n 272._o q._n 50._o though_o it_o be_v a_o sin_n not_o to_o join_v with_o a_o less_o worthy_a minister_n and_o a_o less_o orderly_a mode_n of_o worship_n when_o we_o can_v have_v no_o better_o yet_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o also_o a_o sin_n to_o tie_v ourselves_o ordinary_o to_o such_o when_o we_o may_v have_v better_a lawful_o that_o be_v consideratis_fw-la considerandis_fw-la upon_o term_n whereon_o it_o will_v not_o do_v more_o hurt_n than_o good_a sacril_n desert_n p._n 76._o q._n 51._o though_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o such_o be_v just_o condemn_v by_o god_n that_o repent_v not_o though_o they_o have_v but_o a_o reader_n and_o that_o they_o shall_v be_v thankful_a for_o so_o much_o in_o such_o church_n where_o they_o can_v have_v no_o better_o yet_o whether_o be_v it_o in_o the_o power_n of_o any_o man_n just_o to_o forbid_v they_o better_o when_o god_n provide_v it_o and_o whether_o must_v they_o obey_v such_o a_o prohibition_n as_o such_o though_o prudence_n may_v discern_v forbearance_n to_o be_v a_o duty_n when_o the_o hurt_n will_v be_v great_a than_o the_o good_a first_o plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 85._o q._n 52._o whether_o parish-bound_n of_o church_n be_v of_o divine_a institution_n and_o unchangeable_a or_o only_o of_o human_a prudential_a constitution_n sacril_n desert_n p._n 10._o can_v any_o proof_n be_v produce_v that_o ever_o god_n determine_v the_o church_n shall_v necessary_o be_v individuate_v by_o parish-bound_n or_o limit_n of_o ground_n and_o that_o man_n in_o the_o same_o limit_n may_v not_o have_v divers_a bishop_n and_o be_v of_o divers_a particular_a church_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 13._o whether_o be_v such_o a_o distribution_n of_o parish_n a_o thing_n of_o absolute_a necessity_n to_o a_o church_n or_o only_o as_o the_o general_a rule_n of_o order_n and_o edification_n do_v ordinary_o in_o christian_a kingdom_n require_v it_o and_o whether_o can_v we_o be_v bind_v to_o such_o humane_a distribution_n against_o any_o of_o christ_n own_o law_n and_o predetermination_n or_o when_o any_o change_n turn_v they_o against_o the_o good_a end_n for_o which_o they_o be_v make_v whether_o can_v humane_a church-law_n bind_v to_o obedience_n when_o they_o be_v notorious_o against_o the_o law_n of_o christ_n or_o against_o the_o common_a good_a or_o be_v make_v by_o usurpation_n without_o authority_n thereto_o ibid._n p._n 31_o 32._o q._n 53._o whether_o be_v the_o bishop_n that_o dwell_v in_o london-parish_n or_o other_o member_n of_o the_o parish-church_n where_o they_o dwell_v if_o not_o whether_o dwell_v in_o the_o parish_n make_v a_o christian_a a_o member_n of_o the_o parish-church_n if_o not_o what_o make_v a_o member_n and_o how_o be_v the_o pastor_n special_a flock_n true_o know_v to_o he_o from_o other_o if_o the_o bishop_n be_v member_n do_v the_o canon_n that_o forbid_v man_n to_o go_v from_o their_o own_o parish-church_n extend_v to_o the_o bishop_n and_o to_o who_o shall_v we_o present_v the_o bishop_n for_o not_o come_v to_o church_n or_o for_o his_o crime_n what_o to_o himself_o defence_n of_o the_o plea_n for_o peace_n p._n 110_o 111._o q._n 54._o whether_o a_o ministry_n be_v not_o ordinary_o necessary_a to_o the_o propagate_a of_o the_o gospel_n and_o the_o save_n of_o soul_n see_v rom._n 10._o 14_o 15._o sacril_n desert_n p._n 9_o if_o man_n can_v spare_v the_o ministry_n why_o be_v they_o maintain_v if_o they_o be_v needful_a for_o the_o safety_n of_o man_n soul_n must_v so_o many_o thousand_o hazard_n their_o soul_n for_o want_v of_o needful_a help_n answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 52._o or_o 54._o and_o whether_o be_v there_o not_o need_v of_o a_o far_o great_a number_n of_o assistant_n than_o all_o the_o present_a nonconformist_n sacril_n desert_n p._n 10._o and_o what_o harm_n be_v there_o in_o the_o nonconformist_n preach_n where_o the_o ten_o person_n can_v come_v to_o church_n if_o they_o will_v sacril_n desert_n p._n 12._o and_o what_o may_v we_o think_v of_o such_o as_o have_v rather_o 10000_o person_n stay_v idle_o at_o home_n or_o go_v to_o sport_n or_o drink_v in_o stepny-parish_n or_o giles_n cripplegate_n or_o sepulcher_n or_o martin_n in_o the_o field_n etc._n etc._n than_o that_o any_o nonconformist_n shall_v preach_v to_o they_o see_v 1_o thess._n 2._o 15_o 16._o ib._n p._n 13._o when_o in_o london_n it_o be_v conjecture_v that_o not_o above_o the_o 7_o the_o or_o 8_o the_o part_n of_o the_o inhabitant_n can_v come_v to_o hear_v in_o the_o outer_a parish_n and_o if_o the_o other_o 6_o or_o 7_o part_n shall_v seek_v for_o room_n in_o the_o empty_a church_n within_o the_o wall_n it_o can_v be_v suppose_v that_o above_o one_o part_n of_o those_o 6_o or_o 7_o will_v find_v room_n and_o so_o if_o all_o be_v set_v together_o it_o may_v be_v suppose_v that_o there_o be_v place_n but_o for_o about_o the_o 5_o the_o or_o 4_o the_o part_n at_o most_o of_o all_o the_o people_n in_o all_o the_o parish-church_n within_o and_o without_o the_o wall_n and_o london_n be_v to_o be_v denominate_v rather_o from_o three_o four_o or_o five_o part_n than_o from_o one_o of_o these_o and_o the_o great_a parish_n where_o one_o of_o twenty_o can_v hear_v be_v far_o off_o from_o the_o church_n that_o have_v room_n and_o those_o that_o have_v most_o need_v have_v least_o desire_v of_o the_o mean_n quaere_fw-la whether_o the_o famous_a and_o happy_a city_n for_o religion_n in_o the_o world_n shall_v thus_o be_v leave_v to_o turn_v infidel_n pagan_n atheisâ—s_n or_o be_v keep_v from_o all_o public_a worship_n of_o god_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 230._o and_o whether_o most_o great_a parish_n especial_o in_o city_n and_o great_a town_n have_v not_o more_o soul_n which_o call_v for_o ministerial_a help_n than_o conformist_n and_o nonconformist_n if_o they_o love_o join_v be_v well_o able_a to_o afford_v necessary_a help_n to_o ib._n p._n 229._o q._n 55._o whether_o many_o in_o place_n be_v not_o gross_o defective_a in_o the_o necessary_a qualification_n for_o their_o office_n and_o consequent_o in_o the_o discharge_n of_o the_o same_o sacrilege_n desert_n p._n 10._o and_o can_v any_o man_n prove_v that_o if_o the_o parish-minister_n can_v or_o will_v not_o baptize_v his_o child_n he_o must_v not_o get_v another_o to_o do_v it_o yea_o a_o prohibit_v minister_n rather_o than_o they_o shall_v be_v unbaptise_v and_o yet_o that_o if_o the_o parish-church_n can_v receive_v he_o or_o the_o pastor_n can_v or_o will_v not_o do_v the_o office_n of_o a_o pastor_n for_o he_o he_o must_v be_v without_o preach_v worship_v god_n and_o pastoral_a oversight_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 103._o and_o when_o the_o bishop_n hold_v it_o a_o duty_n to_o avoid_v a_o nonconformist_a that_o have_v not_o their_o licence_n be_v there_o not_o as_o much_o to_o be_v say_v for_o avoid_v a_o wicked_a priest_n who_o it_o be_v sure_a have_v not_o christ_n licence_n and_o be_v a_o nonconformist_a to_o his_o law_n ib._n p._n 111._o when_o pope_n nicholas_n and_o some_o of_o the_o popish_a council_n forbid_v all_o man_n to_o hear_v mass_n from_o a_o fornicate_a priest_n whether_o shall_v not_o protestant_n be_v as_o strict_a and_o whether_o be_v it_o not_o as_o lawful_a to_o depart_v from_o the_o parish-priest_n for_o be_v a_o drunkard_n a_o scorner_n at_o godliness_n a_o persecutor_n a_o insufficient_a guide_n of_o soul_n as_o for_o be_v a_o fornicator_n and_o whether_o many_o council_n do_v not_o forbid_v hear_v heretic_n way_n of_o concord_n three_o part_n p._n 8._o §_o 20._o q._n 56._o whether_o this_o argument_n be_v not_o good_a our_o necessity_n require_v pastoral_a oversight_n and_o christ_n command_v we_o to_o use_v it_o when_o we_o may_v have_v it_o but_o from_o this_o public_a minister_n we_o can_v have_v it_o therefore_o we_o must_v seek_v it_o where_o we_o can_v first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 100_o and_o whether_o people_n be_v not_o deprive_v of_o pastoral_a oversight_n as_o from_o the_o allow_a minister_n 1._o when_o public_a pastor_n be_v at_o so_o great_a a_o distance_n from_o they_o as_o that_o such_o pastor_n can_v come_v to_o they_o nor_o they_o and_o their_o family_n go_v
whether_o be_v any_o bind_v to_o obey_v they_o at_o least_o when_o they_o over-rule_v christ_n own_o institution_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 111._o §_o 15._o and_o whether_o to_o devise_v new_a species_n of_o church_n without_o god_n authority_n and_o impose_v they_o on_o the_o world_n in_o his_o name_n and_o call_v all_o dissenter_n schismatic_n be_v not_o a_o far_o worse_a usurpation_n than_o to_o make_v and_o impose_v new_a ceremony_n or_o liturgy_n ibid._n §_o 16._o q._n 74._o whether_o a_o society_n of_o neighbour-christians_a associate_v with_o a_o pastor_n or_o pastor_n for_o personal_a communion_n in_o holy_a doctrine_n discipline_n and_o worship_n be_v not_o a_o church_n form_n of_o divine_a institution_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 8._o and_o whether_o any_o proof_n have_v ever_o be_v produce_v that_o many_o church_n of_o this_o first_o rank_n must_v of_o duty_n make_v one_o fix_v great_a compound_v church_n by_o association_n as_o diocesan_n national_a etc._n etc._n and_o that_o god_n have_v institute_v any_o such_o form_n whether_o the_o great_a defender_n of_o prelacy_n do_v not_o affirm_v such_o to_o be_v but_o humane_a institution_n ib._n p._n 12_o 13._o whether_o ever_o any_o satisfactory_a proof_n have_v be_v bring_v that_o ever_o christ_n or_o his_o apostle_n do_v institute_v any_o particular_a church_n take_v in_o a_o political_a sense_n as_o organise_v and_o not_o mere_o for_o a_o community_n without_o a_o bishop_n or_o pastor_n who_o have_v the_o power_n of_o teach_v they_o rule_v they_o by_o the_o word_n and_o power_n of_o the_o church-key_n and_o lead_v they_o in_o public_a worship_n ibid._n p._n 13._o and_o whether_o have_v it_o yet_o be_v prove_v that_o any_o one_o church_n of_o this_o first_o rank_n which_o be_v not_o a_o association_n of_o church_n consist_v in_o scripture-time_n of_o many_o much_o less_o of_o many_o score_n or_o hundred_o such_o fix_a church_n or_o congregation_n or_o that_o any_o one_o bishop_n of_o the_o first_o rank_n that_o be_v not_o a_o apostle_n or_o bishop_n of_o bishop_n have_v more_o than_o one_o of_o such_o fix_a society_n or_o church_n under_o he_o or_o may_v have_v more_o state_v member_n of_o his_o church_n than_o be_v capable_a of_o personal_a communion_n and_o mutual_a assistance_n at_o due_a season_n in_o holy_a doctrine_n discipline_n and_o worship_n as_o now_o there_o be_v many_o chapel_n in_o some_o parish_n who_o proximity_n and_o relation_n to_o the_o parish-church_n make_v they_o capable_a of_o personal_a communion_n in_o due_a season_n with_o the_o whole_a parish_n at_o lest_o per_fw-la vice_n in_o those_o church_n and_o in_o their_o conversation_n and_o as_o a_o single_a congregation_n may_v prudent_o in_o persecution_n or_o foul_a wether_n meet_v ofttimes_o in_o several_a house_n so_o why_o may_v not_o the_o great_a church_n of_o jerusalem_n which_o yet_o can_v be_v prove_v a_o quarter_n so_o big_a as_o some_o of_o our_o parish_n hold_v their_o public_a meeting_n oft_o at_o the_o same_o time_n in_o divers_a house_n when_o they_o have_v no_o temple_n and_o yet_o be_v capable_a of_o personal_a communion_n as_o before_o describe_v ibid._n p._n 13_o 14._o and_o when_o the_o learned_a dr._n hammond_n on_o 1_o tim._n 3._o say_v the_o church_n of_o the_o live_a god_n be_v every_o such_o regular_a assembly_n of_o christian_n under_o a_o bishop_n such_o as_o timothy_n be_v and_o oeconomus_fw-la set_v over_o they_o by_o christ_n etc._n etc._n do_v he_o not_o here_o suppose_v as_o he_o elsewhere_o show_v that_o the_o facto_fw-la episcopal_a church_n be_v in_o scripture-time_n but_o single_a congregation_n then_o whether_o be_v the_o new_a form_n of_o congregation_n jure_fw-la divino_fw-la when_o they_o become_v but_o part_n of_o a_o bishop_n church_n and_o may_v we_o not_o query_n the_o same_o of_o the_o new_a form_n of_o a_o diocesan_n church_n ibid._n p._n 5_o 6._o and_o do_v not_o ignatius_n express_o make_v one_o altar_n and_o one_o bishop_n with_o presbyter_n and_o deacon_n to_o be_v the_o note_n of_o a_o church_n unity_n and_o individuation_n whence_o learned_a mr._n joseph_n mede_n do_v argue_v it_o as_o certain_z that_o then_o a_o bishop_n church_n be_v no_o other_o than_o such_o as_o usual_o communicate_v in_o one_o place_n ibid._n p._n 17._o and_o see_v answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 75._o or_o 69._o q._n 75._o and_o see_v it_o can_v be_v prove_v that_o god_n have_v institute_v any_o other_o than_o congregational_a or_o parochial_a church_n as_o for_o present_a communion_n whether_o must_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o none_o of_o the_o rest_n institute_v by_o man_n have_v power_n to_o deprive_v such_o single_a church_n of_o any_o of_o the_o privilege_n grant_v they_o by_o christ_n and_o whereas_o christ_n have_v make_v the_o term_n of_o catholic_n communion_n himself_o and_o have_v command_v all_o such_o to_o worship_v he_o public_o in_o holy_a communion_n under_o faithful_a pastor_n choose_v or_o at_o least_o consent_v to_o by_o themselves_o which_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n many_o hundred_o year_n whether_o can_v any_o humane_a order_n or_o power_n deprive_v they_o of_o any_o of_o this_o benefit_n or_o disoblige_v they_o from_o any_o of_o this_o duty_n by_o just_a authority_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 111._o §_o 13._o q._n 76._o then_o if_o any_o prince_n will_v turn_v his_o kingdom_n or_o a_o whole_a province_n into_o one_o only_a church_n and_o thereby_o overthrow_v all_o the_o first_o order_n of_o church_n of_o christ_n institution_n which_o be_v associate_v for_o personal_a present_a communion_n allow_v they_o no_o pastor_n that_o have_v the_o power_n of_o the_o key_n or_o all_o essential_a to_o their_o office_n though_o he_o shall_v allow_v parochial_a oratory_n or_o chapel_n which_o shall_v be_v no_o true_a church_n but_o part_n of_o a_o church_n whether_o be_v it_o schism_n to_o gather_v church_n within_o such_o a_o church_n against_o the_o law_n of_o such_o a_o prince_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 52._o or_o whether_o have_v god_n make_v such_o proper_a judge_n whether_o christ_n shall_v have_v church_n according_a to_o his_o law_n or_o whether_o god_n shall_v be_v worship_v and_o soul_n save_v or_o his_o own_o institution_n of_o church_n be_v observe_v ibid._n p._n 53._o q._n 77._o and_o if_o any_o person_n shall_v pretend_v to_o have_v the_o power_n of_o govern_v the_o church_n and_o inferior_a pastor_n as_o their_o bishop_n who_o be_v obtrude_v on_o those_o church_n without_o the_o election_n or_o consent_v of_o the_o people_n or_o inferior_a pastor_n and_o these_o bishop_n shall_v by_o law_n or_o mandate_n forbid_v such_o assemble_v preach_a or_o worship_n as_o otherwise_o will_v be_v lawful_a and_o a_o duty_n whether_o be_v it_o schism_n to_o disobey_v such_o law_n or_o mandate_n as_o such_o ibid._n p._n 80._o bishop_n bilson_n of_o subject_a p._n 399._o grant_v the_o election_n of_o bishop_n in_o those_o day_n belong_v to_o the_o people_n and_o not_o to_o the_o prince_n and_o though_o valens_n by_o plain_a force_n place_v lucius_n there_o yet_o may_v the_o people_n lawful_o reject_v he_o as_o no_o bishop_n and_o cleave_v to_o peter_n their_o right_a pastor_n ibid._n p._n 79._o and_o however_o in_o some_o case_n the_o advantage_n of_o some_o impose_v person_n may_v make_v it_o a_o act_n of_o prudence_n and_o so_o a_o duty_n to_o consent_v yet_o whether_o be_v such_o true_o the_o bishop_n of_o such_o church_n till_o they_o do_v consent_n ibid._n p._n 80._o have_v not_o this_o be_v take_v for_o their_o right_n give_v they_o by_o god_n and_o do_v not_o dr._n blondel_n de_fw-la jure_fw-la plebis_fw-la in_o reg._n eccl._n beyond_o exception_n prove_v it_o with_o more_o ib._n p._n 81._o therefore_o if_o bishop_n that_o have_v no_o foundation_n of_o such_o relative_n power_n shall_v impose_v inferior_a pastor_n on_o the_o parish-church_n and_o command_v the_o people_n acceptance_n and_o obedience_n whether_o be_v the_o people_n bind_v to_o accept_v and_o obey_v they_o by_o any_o authority_n that_o be_v in_o that_o command_n as_o such_o or_o whether_o be_v it_o schism_n to_o disobey_v it_o ibid._n p._n 82._o q._n 78._o whether_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v from_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o diocesan_n that_o hold_v a_o bishop_n be_v essential_a to_o a_o church_n and_o consequent_o that_o we_o have_v no_o more_o church_n than_o diocese_n that_o he_o who_o separate_v from_o a_o parish-church_n separate_v from_o no_o church_n sacril_n desert_n p._n 24._o q_o 79._o whether_o we_o shall_v not_o more_o just_o deserve_v the_o term_n of_o schismatic_n if_o we_o renounce_v communion_n with_o all_o other_o church_n except_o parochial_a and_o conformist_n and_o who_o conscience_n shall_v soon_o accuse_v he_o of_o schism_n whether_o ouâ—s_v that_o resolve_v to_o hold_v communion_n seasonable_o with_o all_o true_a christian_a church_n among_o we_o that_o
teach_v not_o heresy_n nor_o preach_v down_o holiness_n etc._n etc._n and_o deny_v we_o not_o their_o communion_n unless_o we_o will_v sin_v or_o a_o conformist_n that_o will_v hold_v communion_n with_o none_o but_o his_o own_o party_n but_o separate_v from_o all_o other_o church_n in_o the_o land_n ib._n p._n 41._o be_v he_o a_o great_a separatist_n that_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v a_o true_a church_n and_o their_o communion_n lawful_a but_o prefer_v another_o as_o fit_a for_o he_o or_o he_o that_o deny_v communion_n with_o true_a worship_v assembly_n as_o unlawful_a to_o be_v communicate_v with_o when_o it_o be_v not_o so_o if_o the_o former_a then_o will_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o condemn_v they_o as_o no_o church_n be_v a_o diminution_n or_o no_o aggravation_n of_o separation_n and_o the_o local_a presence_n of_o a_o infidel_n or_o scorner_n will_v be_v a_o less_o separate_a state_n than_o the_o absence_n of_o their_o friend_n if_o the_o latter_a which_o be_v certain_a then_o will_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o if_o we_o can_v prove_v the_o assembly_n lawful_a which_o they_o condemn_v they_o be_v the_o true_a separatist_n that_o condemn_v they_o and_o deny_v communion_n with_o they_o declare_v it_o unlawful_a answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 47_o or_o 49._o q._n 80._o and_o whether_o be_v not_o the_o separation_n of_o whole_a church_n much_o worse_o than_o of_o single_a person_n from_o one_o church_n when_o it_o be_v upon_o unwarrantable_a cause_n or_o reason_n ib._n p._n 31._o now_o how_o many_o of_o the_o dissenter_n frequent_o communicate_v with_o they_o while_o they_o general_o refuse_v shun_v and_o condemn_v our_o assembly_n be_v there_o no_o true_a church_n to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o world_n that_o have_v no_o bishop_n of_o a_o superior_a order_n over_o pastor_n and_o be_v there_o not_o true_a church_n in_o england_n in_o that_o long_a interval_n of_o episcopal_a government_n and_o be_v not_o they_o as_o just_o to_o be_v charge_v with_o schism_n and_o separation_n from_o those_o true_a church_n which_o be_v before_o the_o re-establishment_n of_o episcopacy_n as_o they_o that_o be_v common_o charge_v by_o those_o encroacher_n and_o invader_n of_o other_o man_n right_n vid._n sacril_n desert_n p._n 60._o q._n 81._o see_v the_o universal_a church_n be_v certain_o the_o high_a species_n whether_o have_v any_o authority_n on_o pretence_n of_o narrow_a communion_n in_o low_a church_n to_o change_v christ_n term_n of_o catholic_n communion_n or_o to_o deprive_v christian_n of_o the_o right_n of_o be_v love_v and_o receive_v by_o each_o other_o or_o to_o disoblige_v they_o from_o the_o duty_n of_o love_v and_o receive_v each_o other_o whether_o can_v humane_a power_n make_v by_o their_o own_o contract_n change_n christ_n law_n or_o the_o privilege_n or_o form_n of_o christ_n own_o church_n way_n of_o concord_n p._n 111._o §_o 14._o q._n 82._o whether_o the_o great_a and_o common_a schism_n be_v not_o by_o divide_v law_n and_o canon_n which_o causless_o silence_n minister_n scatter_v flock_n and_o decree_v the_o unjust_a excommunication_n of_o christian_n and_o deny_v communion_n to_o those_o that_o yield_v not_o to_o sinful_a or_o unnecessary_a ill-made_a term_n of_o communion_n ibid._n three_o part_n p._n 13._o §_o 43._o and_o if_o any_o proud_a passionate_a or_o erroneous_a person_n do_v as_o diothrephes_n cast_v out_o the_o brethren_n undeserved_o by_o unjust_a suspension_n silencing_n or_o excommunication_n whether_o this_o be_v not_o tyrannical_a schism_n first_o plea_n &c_n &c_n p._n 41._o and_o as_o we_o say_v of_o the_o papist_n that_o they_o unjust_o call_v those_o man_n schismatic_n who_o they_o first_o cast_v out_o themselves_o by_o unjust_a excommunication_n may_v we_o not_o say_v so_o of_o any_o other_o especial_o if_o either_o for_o that_o which_o be_v a_o duty_n or_o for_o some_o small_a mistake_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o person_n power_n to_o rectify_v no_o great_a than_o most_o good_a christian_n be_v guilty_a of_o their_o church-law_n say_v he_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_a ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la ibid._n p._n 104._o see_v also_o answ._n to_o dr._n still_o serm._n p._n 47._o or_o 49._o §_o 8._o q._n 83._o whether_o make_v sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n impose_v thing_n forbid_v by_o god_n on_o those_o that_o will_v have_v communion_n with_o they_o and_o expel_v those_o that_o will_v not_o so_o sin_n whether_o this_o be_v not_o heinous_a schism_n first_o plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 41_o 42._o q._n 84._o whether_o all_o those_o will_v not_o be_v deep_o guilty_a of_o such_o schism_n who_o by_o talk_n write_v or_o preach_v justify_v and_o cry_v it_o up_o and_o draw_v other_o into_o the_o gild_n and_o reproach_v the_o innocent_a as_o schismatic_n for_o not_o offend_v god_n ib._n q._n 85._o if_o any_o will_v confine_v the_o power_n or_o exercise_n of_o the_o church-key_n into_o so_o few_o hand_n as_o shall_v make_v the_o exercise_n of_o christ_n discipline_n impossible_a or_o shall_v make_v church_n so_o great_a or_o pastor_n so_o few_o as_o that_o the_o most_o of_o the_o people_n must_v needs_o be_v without_o pastoral_a oversight_n teach_v and_o public_a worship_n and_o then_o will_v forbid_v those_o people_n to_o commit_v the_o care_n of_o their_o soul_n to_o any_o other_o that_o will_v be_v pastor_n indeed_o and_o so_o will_v compel_v they_o to_o live_v without_o christ_n ordinance_n true_a church-communion_n and_o pastoral_n help_v whether_o this_o will_v not_o be_v schismatical_a and_o much_o worse_o ib._n p._n 44._o q._n 86._o when_o able_a faithful_a pastor_n be_v lawful_o sâ—t_v over_o the_o assembly_n by_o just_a election_n and_o ordination_n if_o any_o will_v causless_o and_o without_o right_a silence_n they_o and_o command_v the_o people_n to_o desert_v they_o and_o to_o take_v to_o other_o for_o their_o pastor_n in_o their_o stead_n oâ—_n who_o they_o have_v no_o such_o knowledge_n as_o may_v encourage_v they_o to_o such_o a_o change_n whether_o this_o can_v be_v defend_v from_o the_o charge_n of_o schism_n as_o cyprian_a in_o the_o case_n of_o novatian_n say_v that_o he_o can_v be_v no_o bishop_n because_o another_o be_v rightful_a bishop_n before_o â—_o ib._n p._n 49_o 50._o q._n 87._o whether_o the_o way_n to_o heal_v we_o be_v not_o 1._o to_o approve_v the_o best_a 2._o to_o tolerate_v the_o tolerable_a 3._o to_o have_v sacrament_n free_a and_o not_o force_v 4._o to_o restrain_v the_o intolerable_a 5._o this_o to_o be_v the_o test_n of_o toleration_n whether_o such_o tolerate_a worship_n do_v more_o good_a or_o hurt_n in_o true_a impartial_a judgement_n 6._o magistrate_n keep_v all_o in_o peace_n way_n of_o concord_n three_o part_n p._n 144._o q._n 88_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o a_o weaken_n of_o the_o king_n interest_n to_o divide_v his_o subject_n and_o build_v up_o unnecessary_a wall_n of_o partition_n between_o they_o and_o to_o keep_v they_o in_o such_o division_n see_v a_o kingdom_n divide_v against_o itself_o can_v stand_v and_o whether_o it_o be_v not_o unsafe_a and_o uncomfortable_a to_o a_o prince_n to_o rule_v a_o divide_a mutinous_a people_n but_o sweet_a and_o safe_a to_o rule_v they_o that_o be_v unite_v in_o mutual_a love_n whether_o they_o that_o will_v lay_v the_o people_n concord_n upon_o uncapable_a term_n will_v not_o bring_v the_o king_n interest_n in_o his_o people_n love_n and_o willing_a obedience_n and_o ready_a defence_n of_o he_o into_o too_o narrow_a a_o bottom_n make_v he_o the_o king_n of_o some_o causless_o divide_v and_o espouse_a party_n which_o must_v be_v set_v up_o to_o the_o oppression_n of_o all_o the_o rest_n who_o be_v as_o wise_a and_o just_a and_o loyal_a as_o they_o second_v plea_n etc._n etc._n p._n 76._o §_o 24._o si_fw-mi in_o necessariis_fw-la sit_fw-la vnitas_fw-la in_o non-necessariis_a libertas_n in_o uâ—risque_fw-la charitas_fw-la optimo_fw-la certe_fw-la loco_fw-la essent_fw-la res_fw-la nostrae_fw-la to_o make_v a_o round_a number_n i_o 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