honor him as our God if we alter that which he hath appointed for himselfe or adde any thing unto it he rejecteth all our service as done not unto him but to the conceit of our hearts which by nature is no God c. Grat. Caâ—s 11. Qu. 3. c. 101. Sats qui praeest Aug. de Conser Evang. l. 1. c. 18. Socratis sententia est Vnumquemque Deum sic coliopercere quomodose ipse colendum esse praeceperit Aug. in Qu. ex veteri Teslam Qu. 43. Constat â—â—den stultam non solum minime prodesse sed etiam obesse Chry. in Matth. hom 51. Discaâ— us Coristum ex ipsius voluntate honorare Nam qui honoratur â—o maximè honore laetatur 〈◊〉 vuit non quem nos optamus Bils dâ—ffer betw Christ Subj part 1 p. 7. Touching the Sacraments I 〈◊〉 Baptisme and the Lords Supper c. We swerve not a jot from the example of Christ and his Apostles the Scriptures vvill not lie let them be judges is fairely passed over with a brave flourish of words and nothing else If you meet with such company as will be ashamed not to see because you cry out so vehemently It is as cleere as the Sun it cannot be denied with any modest face You may lead him blindfold But if a man will build upon his owne faith and not be led by your fansies he shall never see it proved by any evidence that you have or can bring That by communicating in our Assemblies in the ordinances of Religion God is worshipped in any other way or manner than he hath prescribed But seeing this reason is brought so often and for so many purposes I will examine it more particularly If the meaning of your proposition bee That no positive worship or substantiall means of worship is lawfull but what is in speciall appointed or instituted of God and that no duties of Religion be necessary to salvation but what are taught in Scripture then we grant it is true and confirmed by the course of Scripture though many passages cited by you will not reach unto it For the law of nature commandeth all men who have any sense of a Godhead to receive and not give rules of Religion and Worship The holy care of the Patriarchs was to reverence and obey that which they had received and to attend upon further direction but of themselves not to appoint or undertake any thing as necessary to salvation Divine institution of legall and Evangelicall obedience and worship is equally full and complete in all things necessary which it seemed good to divine Wisedome to determine not leaving any thing of this nature more undetermined in time of the Gospel than it was in time of the Law As the Jews had a commandement neither to adde ought unto nor take ought from the law Deut. 4.2 which the Lord gave unto them so the Apostles received a charge to teach whatsoever the Lord commanded them Whence it is truly observed Matth. 28.20 Zanch. de Ecript that men may not teach their own doctrine but whatsoever Christ hath taught them for hee reserveth this authoritie to himselfe to be the onely Teacher and Author of the doctrine Genev. Bible annot in Matth. 28.20 Shew but one word element or action added omitted or altered in either of them c. Galv Instit l. 4. ca. 10. §. 1.2.5 Hon. Ainsw first answ p. 26. That he taught any thing as needfull for salvation without warrant from the Scriptures I denie Harm confess Helvetic confess cap. 24. Ang. confess ca. De discrim ciborum Chamier tom 4. de Sacram. l. 1. c. 13. §. 8. Bils differ betw Christ Suâ—j par 1. p. 25. This is the duty that Baptisme requireth of us to beleeve no teacher but one which is Christ to follow no stranger to regard or obey no Lord or Law-maker in the Church but only the Son whom the Father appointed to be Master Leader and Ruler of the Gentiles Basil ser de fide It is an evident sliding from the faith c. either to depart from that which is written or to receive that which is not written The King of the Church is her only Lawgiver at all times But if the way or manner of Worship be stretched to the circumstances of time place order phrase of speech and such like not determined by God in particular but left to the libertie of Christians so the generall rules of Scripture be observed then the proposition is not true the Scriptures doe not confirm it it was never acknowledged by Divines of any sort or sect that have appeared to the world For what is in generall only Divine but in particular left without determination from God that in it selfe is indifferent and variable of which sort were the houres of the morning and evening sacrifice their Synagogues Oratories and places of Worship throughout the land of Canaan their course of reading and many the like What God hath commanded in his Word that is not left to the libertie of Christians What is prescribed as necessary worship holy that he hath not left undetermined But that which may be done this way or another at this time or another in this forme of speech and method or another that in respect of this order time method or phrase of speech is not necessarie holy or worship Any circumstance as time place or whatsoever else if it be either appropriated or commanded of God it is necessarie in point of conscience holy and worship as in conscience it must be observed and submitted unto But to place necessitie holinesse or worship in these things when they be not determined or commanded is Will-worship or superstition lawfull they be as agreeable to the Word but not necessary because not determined by the Word The time was when it was lawfull to offer sacrifices upon the high places Drus ad dissic loc O at 12. p. 571. Rivet in Hos 4.13 Ainsvv annot in Levit. 17.5 Iun. annot in Levit. 17 5. in 1 Reg. 3.3 Illud in Theologia bonum est quod Deus praecepit lex enim Deiperfecta est bonitatis moralis regula in Theologia prohibitio Divina perfecturest index Theologieus mali iae mâ—ralis Hen. Ainsvv 3. ans p. 151. Explications of Gods Law by them â—â—uâ—h of his Ministers are allowed of God Neh. 8.8 These are not additions such as God forbids Gal. 3.15 15 Our question is of other or moe lavves or Doctrines than God hath taught Scotia Confess art 20. Iua thes theol c. 6. thes 11.12 Quaecunque verò in carcumslantiis posita sant corumtradiâ—iâ—nes in ecclesiâ—◠â esse auâ—â—esse posse verumtamen pat lares temporaliliberas agnoscimus Atque barum quidem traditionum quae in circumstantiis versantur sex sor Paulo 1 Cor. 14 c. Dan. in 1 Tim. 3.15 Calvin Inst 4. l. c. 15 §. 19. 17. §. 45. 〈◊〉 resp ad lib. de pii veri offic p. 413. Th Beza cansess c. 5.
to renounce the world the flesh and the Devill they were baptized Justine sometime an Heathen Philosopher but after a famous Martyr of Christ in his second Apologie for Christians reporteth That if any Heathen man desired to be received into the fellowship of the Church he was first r Concil Agathens ca. 25. Iudaei quoruÌ„ perfidia frequenter ad vomitum redit si ad legem catholicaÌ„ venire voluerint octo meÌ„ses inter catechumenos Ecclesiae limen introeant si pura fide no scuntur venire tum demum c. Socrat. lib. 7. hist cap. 30. Hieron ad Pammach Tert. de Baptism Tert. de praescript ca 14. in apolog ca. 47. Ruff. in symbol Math. 28.19 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Basil cont Eunom l. 3. Our Baptisme is according to the tradition of the Lord In the name of the Father the Sonne and the holy Ghost catechised in the principles of Religion then hearing further the word of God as it were the Conditions of the Covenant of grace afterwards came into the face of the Congregation and confessed that he did beleeve and promised that he would obey the word of God whereupon he was baptized and received into the fellowship of the Church And that this order might be the better observed the Church appointed certain times and in some places a longer space at other times and in other places a shorter time for catechising of Heathen before they were baptized Socrates writeth that when the Burgonians desired to be initiated into the number of Christian people after they had been catechised seven dayes they were baptized the eighth Hierome saith the custome in his dayes was to catechize them fortie dayes and then to baptize them Tertullian witnesseth that there were two times in the yeare Easter and Whitsontide especially appointed by the Church for Baptisme and strangers from the Covenant were instructed in the principles of Religion all the rest of the yeare against these two times The profession at first required of all that were received to Baptisme was that they beleeved in the Father Sonne and holy Ghost The Creede is honoured of the Ancients with glorious titles as the rule of faith the Summe of faith the body of faith the perswasion of faith But by the Creede they understand the Rule of truth and law of faith and institution of Christ which was then given when he was about to ascend into heaven and commanded his Disciples saying Goe and teach all Nations Baptising them into the name of the Father Sonne and holy Ghost Regulam fidei per Baptismum accipimus Iren. lib. 1. cap. 2. Per ipsam Baptismi traditionem habemus confessionem Basil despir fanct cap. 10. Regula quidem fidei una omnino est sola immobilis irreformabilis Socrat. Hist lib. 1. ca. 5. Niceph. lib. 8. ca. 17. Hist Trip. lib. 2. ca. 9. credendi sc in unicum Deum omnipotentem mundi conditores filium ejus Jesum c. Tertul. de veland virgin The expositions of the Creede which are found in the ancient Fathers Martial Ignatius Justine Jreneus Tertullian Origen de rect fid dialog princ Novatian lib. de Trin. 3. and others of that age goe not beyond the Trinitie within which bounds the Nicene Creede is terminated as it is set downe in History Arius and Euzonius conclude their confession of faith thus Socrat. Hist lib. 2. cap. 7. lib. 1. cap. 19. Sicut Dominus noster cùm Discipules suos ad praedicandum mitteret c. This faith we received from the Gospel the Lord himselfe saying to his Disciples Goe teach all Nations c. Erasm ad censur facult Theolog. Parisien tit 11. Erasmus sheweth how the Creed was encreased by the addition of divers Articles against the heresies that did arise and though for substance it was the very same every where yet in some places it received more enlargement then in others The westerne Churches herein applyed themselves to the capacities of the meaner soâ—t more than the Easterne did using in their Baptisme that shorter forme of confession commonly called the Apostles Creed which in more ancient times was briefer also than now it is as we may easily perceive by comparing the symboll recited by Marcellus Anciranus in the profession of the faith Apud Epiphan in haeres 72. which he delivered to Pope Julius with the expositions of the Apostles Creed written by the Latine Doctors Wherein the mention of the Fathers being maker of heaven and earth the Sonnes death and descending into hell and the communion of Saints is wholly omitted The Creede which the Easterne Churches used in Baptisme was larger than this being either the same Euseb epist apud Socrat. lib 1. ca. 5. et 8. Theodor. lib. 8. ca. 12. or very little different from that which we commonly call the Nicene Creede because the greatest part of it was repeated and confirmed in the first generall councell held at Nice where the first draught thereof was presented to the Synod by Eusebius Bishop of Cesarea with this Preamble As we have received from the Bishops that were before us both at our first catechising and when we received Baptisme and as we have learned from the holy Scriptures and as we have both beleeved and taught when we entred into the Ministery and in our Bishopricke it selfe So beleeving at this present also we declare this our faith unto you To this the Nicene Fathers added a more cleare explication of the deitie of the Sonne against the Arrian Heresie wherewith the Church was troubled professing him to be begotten not made Concil Constan ap Theoder lib. 5. c. 9. and to be of one substance with the Father The second generall Councell which was assembled fifty-six yeares after at Constantinople approving this confession of the faith as most ancient and agreeable to Baptisme enlarged it somewhat in the Article that concerned the Holy Ghost especially which at that time was most oppugned by the Macedonian Heretiques Epipha in 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 pag. 518. edit Gr. Cassian de incarn verb. lib. 5. And whereas the Nicene confession proceeded no further than to the beliefe which we have in the Holy Trinitie the Fathers of the Constantinople made it up by adding that which was commonly professed touching the catholique Church and the priviledges belonging thereunto Epiphanius repeating this Creede at large affirmeth it to have been delivered unto the Church by the Apostles Cassianus avoucheth as much where he urgeth this against Nestorius as the Creed anciently received in the Church of Antioch from whence he came The Romane Church after the dayes of Charles the Great added the Article of the procession of the Holy Ghost from the Sonne unto this Symboll In the s See Bellarm. li. 4. de verbo Dei c. 11. Quaedam in doctrina Christiana tam fidei quam morum sunt simpliciter omnibus necessaria ad salutem qualis est notitia articulorum Symboli
ancient or moderne of one sort or other parties excepted For it is one thing to say the Church is a societie of faithfull people joyning together in the ordinances of worship Another that it is no Church where the ignorant or prophane are tolerated The first of these is affirmed The latter is that which you must prove out of those Writers which you can never doe or else you abuse both your selfe and them Order is requisite in every administration of the Church Can. Neces of Separat pag. 186. as the Apostle teacheth and chiefly in the collection thereof you say But the want of order in every point requisite either in the collection or government of the Church doth not make it no Church You know it is an usuall received distinction that hypocrites and ungodly men are in the Church but not of the Church And if at any time you read that notorious offenders are neither of the Church T. C. repl 1. pa. 34 35. nor in the Church The same Author hath explained himselfe that when he saith There be no knowne Drunkards or Whoremongers in the Church he speakes of that which should be T. C. 2. repl par 1 pag. 242. As when Paul saith That the Church of God hath no custome to contend Aug. de mor. Eccl. cathol lib. 1. c. 34. Bring me not such ChristiaÌ„s as either know not or keepe not the force of their profession Rake not after the ruder sort which even in true Religion are intangled with superstition my selfe knew many that are worshippers of tombes and pictures he setteth forth not that which alwayes commeth to passe but what ought to be alwayes For it may be that contention may continue in a Church many yeares and yet it cease not to be the true Church of God In Mollerus I can finde nothing that makes to your purpose but many things directly against you First he entreateth in that Psalme of the true lively members of the Church and therefore your glosse at least outwardly corrupteth the Text. Thus in the argument of the Psalme he writeth Ostendit qui sint cultus aut opera quae Deo placeant quomodo vera viva membra Ecclesia ab hypocritis alijs manifestè impijs discerni possint debeant And in the whole Psalme he sheweth that he speaketh of the living members of the Church for whom salvation is prepared and to whom it is reserved and not of visible members onely Thus upon the first verse Vâ—itur autem hoc verbo August contr Par. lib. 3. cap. 2. It cannot be an healthfull reproving by many but when he that is reproved hath no number to take his part But if the same disease hath possessed many the good have nothing left for them to doe but to sorrow mourne ut ostendat discrimen inter perpetuos Ecclesiae cives 〈◊〉 inquilinos seu hypocritas qui ad tempus sunt illis permisti Hi enim etiamsi venditent se pro veris Ecclesiae membris externâ prefessione observatione rituum tamen quia verâ solidâ pietate carent varijs sordibus sunt polluti tandem judicio divino separabuntur à veris Ecclesiae membris And in his third observation upon the first Verse Quia saepè contingit Ecclesiam Dei multis inquinamentis deforment cernere ne quis ad hoc scandalum impingat discrimen constituendum est inter perpetuos Ecclesiae cives inquilinos qui ad tempus sunt illis permisti Damnandi igitur sunt Anabaptisti qui non putant veram esse Ecclesiam quae vitia quaedane tolerare cogitur If this be not sufficient see what he hath upon the fifth Verse And his observations upon the first and fifth Verses But what you alledge out of him I cannot finde Mr. Beza hath that which you cite out of him but he meaneth nothing lesse than that a Christian should separate from the Church and ordinances of grace because ungodly men are suffered which should be removed but are not Bezae Annot. Major in Act. 2.40 In his Major Annotations he explaineth himselfe thus Expresse usus est hoc verbo Lucas Bezae epist 2. pag. 28 29. Nec enim ut ritè ad caenam accedam ut scrutandum est mihi quâ quisque conscientiâ ad eam mecum accedat sed de meâ ipsius conscientia mihi laborandum est It aque cum Adulteris cum Homicidis et cum sceleratisstmis quibusvis medò nulla meâ culpâ tales sint si ad caenam castus sceleris puras accessero nihil illoruÌ„ impuritas mihi nocuerit Et quod de moribus duo etiam de doctrina dico quod interdum nec pastores satis puraÌ„ tradunt nec auditores satis recte percipiunt Dicam etiaÌ„ amplius si vel Turcam vel JudeuÌ„ Past or quispiaÌ„ sive prudenter sive imprudenter admitteret tota illius facti culpa in illum recideret nec ego propterea ouÌ„ctanter ad meÌ„sam Domini accesserò c. ut ostenderet ipsarum animarum salutem positam esse in discessione à prophanorum caetibus But the Church of God wherein prophane persons are suffered to abide is not the congregation of prophane men in Mr. Beza's judgement from which we must depart Let this or that be faultily done or pretermitted of some saith he are they not therefore Christians or to be esteemed brethren But they will say This is at least to communicate in their sinne nay this confequence is most false For if I come prepared to the Supper I am not to search with what conscience any man doth come to it with me but I must take care of mine owne conscience Therefore if I come to the Supper chaste and free from wickednesse though I communicate with adulterers with murderers and with most wicked wretches so they be such by no fault of mine their impuritie shall not hurt me And what I speake of manners I also say of doctrine which sometimes the Pastours doe not purely deliver nor the hearers receive well and holily I will say more if some Pastour either ignorantly or advisedly should admit a Jew or Turke the whole fault of that fact shall fall upon him and I would not come no more slackly to the Table of the Lord because his impure conscience so I be without fault doth not pollute mine which is pure and that very Supper is pure to me which that impure person prophaneth Thus Beza And this may be shewed to be the constant judgement of all orthodox Divines not parties in this case and it is a thing so well knowne that it is superfluous labour to examine the rest particularly And here let it be noted That it is usuall to define the Church by the better part by the true and living chiefe principall and perpetuall members partakers of the royalties and liberties of the catholike Church knit unto Christ quickned by the Spirit heires of salvation one
repl 1. pag. 41. Ambr de offic lib. 1. cap. 50 Grat dist 93. cap. 21. Ex quo iâ— Ecclesis sicut in imperio Romano crevit avaritia perit iex de sacerdote visia de Prpheta Bas in Asceticis Chry. desacer complaints have been made against abuses of this nature by all sorts ancient and moderne who never denyed the Churches where the true faith was professed to be the true Churches of Christ Cyprian complaines thus Here I am grievously troubled that the Church hath many Pastors who not onely doe not oppose their bodies against the incursions of wolves but also they themselves doe play the parts of wolves whiles they destroy the souls of the simple they themselves serving their bellies gaine and ambition and make merchandise of the Word of God and adulterate it with ungodly opinions The Counsell of Nicâ— makes complaint That many things in the admission of Presbyters and Bishops was done contrary to the Rule Leo That the office of a Pastor and government of the Church was committed to men altogether unworthy Hierom reproacheth the Bishop of Ierusalem that he could as himselfe boasted make in one houre a thousand Clarks and condemneth it in others That Clarkes run to the Bishops suffraganes certaine times of the yeere and bringing some summe of money they are ordained being chosen of none Ambrose sheweth the abuse in his time to be this If a man asked some of them who preferred them to be Priests answers is made by and by that the Archbishop for an hundred shillings ordained me Bishop Nazianzon in Apolog That they which handle holy things with unwashen hands and polluted souls are more in number than they over whom they rule Miseri in â—iotate miseri in splendore And ad Maximum Ad Pastoralis muneris administrationem nihil contulerunt ui 〈◊〉 quod comam quam turpiter alere studuerunt raserunt And in the same place De pecumiis jam in ecclesia bellum geritus When Basil of an Heathen was made a Christian he saith That he did greatly wonder at the dissentions which were in the Church concerning Faith and the contentions of the Governors because every one leaving the doctrine of our Lord Iesus Christ did challenge to himself by his owne authoritie certaine rules and orders Also J perceived dissentions to arise from hence because there was no discipline no knowledge of God or it was perveâ—se if any Chrysostome Neque immeritos solum adlegâ— sed idone 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 The Toletan Councells complaine that for eighteen yeeres no Synod was held Whence came grosse ignorance and corruption of the Ministers It would be too long to set downe at large the grave sharpe and lamentable complaints that Nicholas de Clemang Petrus de Aliaco See Nichol. Clemang speculum Eccles Petrus de Aliaco reformat Eccle. Bern. in Conv. S. P. ser 1. Heu Heu Domine Deus Ipsi sunt in persecutione tua primi qui videatur in Eccl sia tua primatum genere Id. in Cant. ser 76. Parum est nostris vigilibus quod non servant nisi perdant Gildas See Vsser de primord Eccles Brâ—â— Hâ—oper on the 8 Command pag. 74 79. Whitaker de pont Rom. presat ad Audito res In sch smatis remedium hoc primo invenâ—um est quod ipso morbo magis pericudesum fuisse molti virt sancti prudentes judicarunt Quod quamquam non statim apparuit tamen misera experientia demceps demonstravit Tum enim ambitio irepsit in Ecclesiam Episcopi caeperunt non minus de dignitate suarum sedium quam de Christi grege cogitare c. Gregor Nazianz. orat 2. pag 399. They intrude themselves unto the most holy Ministeries with unwashen hands and minds as they say and before they are worthy to come unto the Sacraments they affect the Sanctuarie it selfe circum sacrasanctam mensam premuntur protenduntur esteeming this order not an example of vertue but a maintenance and helpe of life Bernard and our Gildas have published against the Ecclesiasticall Governours of their times for their ignorance pride luxurie riot drunkennesse persecution of all true godlinesse covetousnesse rapine contentions brawles simonie and what not And since the time of Reformation not the Inconformists only but the godly Bishops and Martyrs themselves have observed bewailed and reproved these abuses Father Latimer in his Sermons generally but in his Sermon of the Plough is plaine and large against the pompe and idlenesse of Bishops who Lord it over but feed not the Flock of Christ muzzle the people in ignorance and profanenesse live riotously hunt after preferment but seek not the winning of souls unto God Bishop Hooper complaines saying It is great pity to see how farre that office of a Bishop is degenerated from the originall in the Scripture it was not so at the beginning when Bishops were at the best as the Epist of Paul to Titus testifieth that willed him to ordaine in every Citie of Creete a Bishop And as sharply and closely he censureth the Bishops of his daies for arrogating to themselves so much witt as to Rule and serve in both States in the Church and in the Civill Policie and to the contrary professeth That one of them is more than any man is able to satisfie and that it is not possible that one should doe both well and that it is a great oversight of the Princes and higher Powers of the earth so to charge them with two burdens when none of them as he saith is able to beare the least of them both The accusations which are brought against both the Ministers and members in the Separatists Congregations are not few nor light nor such as can be wiped away with reproaches All these have borne witnesse of the great disorders and corruptions which have been in the Church of God but they never deemed the societie was to be abandoned because of these great and erroneous blemishes rather they sought the redresse and reformation of what was amisse If some things of man be mixed with that which is of God as humane superioritie with divine Ministerie the pure wheat with some chasse the holy Sacraments with rites savouring of superstition a found Christian is not to cast away what is of God as a nullitie fruitlesse defiled Antichristian Idolatrous because somewhat humane is annexed unto them nor in defence of the good to be charged or condemned as going crosse to that which he taught against the evill Aug. de fid bon oper tom 4.4 Nos vero ad piam doctrinam pertinere arbitramur ut canes in ecclesia propter pacem ecclesiae toleremus Iun. animad in Bell. contr 5. l. 1 ca. 3. l. 1. ca. 3. not 24. Speaking of Popish ordination saith A parte ad totum non procedit argumentatio In ordinatione aliquid nihil facâ—unt ergo nihili faciunt ordinationem Quod Dei quod ecclesiae in ea est permagni facimus quod
substance and essence they are true in every true and lawfull complete societie But as the profession of the truth may be found in all fundamentall points though mixed with many errours so for Truth and existence the Ministerie may be lawfull though in many particulars delinquent and deficient In the true Church then there is a true Ministerie But the true Church hath continued there by the blessing of God where the Election of Ministers hath been given away by the people or taken from them In later times the High Priesthood was bought and sold for monie and somtimes it was made annuall that every yeere new Priests were created as those Governours whom Kings change every yeere that as every man would lay out more or lesse monie he should obtaine or lose the Priesthood Which may be seen in the examples of Iason and Menelaus Neverthelesse so long as the Church of the Jewes continued the Church of God the Priesthood continued also In the Primitive Churches when the people had a voice in the choice of their Teachers oftentimes there were factions in the Church the people stood against their Guides and the Guides against their people and the people were divided one against another And sometimes either through sloth or for peace the Pastors left the election of Officers to the people Ruffin lib. 11. c. 10.11 Theod. hist lib. 4. ca. 6. August Epist 110. 225. Socrat. hist lib. 7. ca. 34 35. 39. Concil Antioch cap. 18. Sozom. hist l. 2. ca. 18 19. Naziatrz in Epit. patris Euagr. l. 2. cap. 5.8 Theodor. l. 5. ca. 23. Gratian. dist 63. ca. 11 12. Cypr. l. 3. epist 14. 10. W.B. The Church plea. §. 8. pag. 90. T.C. repl 2. par 1. p. 212. Cypr. l. 2. epist 5. l. 4. Epist 5. l. 3. epist 22. and the like he did for Optatus Satuus Caesernius Numidicus Calv. Inst l 4. c. 4. §. 10. August epist 223. Theod. l. 1. ca. 23. Socrat. hist. l. 2. ca. 19. Sozom. l. 3. c. 20. Socrat. hist. lib. 7. ca. 28. W.B. The Church plea. § 8. pag. 80. Centur. 1. ca. 4. Centur. 6 7. col 591. Centur. 2. c. 7. p. 134. 135. and the people challenged it unto themselves and sometimes againe they took it from their people and challenged it to themselves But in the mids of these broyles he was accounted a true Minister who was elected whether by the Guides or by the people or by the Emperour so he taught the doctrine of Salvation truely And if this be not admitted what shall be done when the people and their Elders be divided in the choice of a fit Officer or Guide If the people prevaile against their Elders he whom they chuse is no Minister to them because not chosen by their Suffrages if the Elders against the people he whom they approve is no Minister because he wants the peoples voice And if the people dissent they must separate and excommunicate one another because to the one part he is no Minister whom the other approve Though Cyprian teach That Ministers should be chosen by the people yet this forme of Election was not in some Churches in Cyprians time who were esteemed true Churches and true Ministers And Cyprian himselfe appointed Aurelius a Reader without advice of the Church by the authoritie of his fellow-Ministers then present Pinianus was ordained of the people Elder of the Church against Augustines minde and will Athanasius made Frumentius Bishop and sent him to the Indies he created Presbyters in other Churches and when he came into Egypt as many as he knew addicted to the Arian haeresie hee put them out of their place and whose Faith he tryed and approved to them he committed the Churches The Church of Cyzicena gave this honor to Atticus that without his consent it could not chuse a Bishop You will not denie but the Ministerie of the Church for the first second and third and fourth hundred yeeres after Christ was true and might be joyned withall For thus writeth a friend of yours and as it is supposed by your aide It is affirmed by the Centuries of Magdenburg that from Christs ascension unto Trajans time which is about an hundred yeers every particular Church was governed by the Bishops Elders and Deacons and describing the state of Christian Churches from Trajans reigne unto Severus that is from the yeere of Christ 100 to 195 thus they write The order of Government was popular for all Churches had equall power of teaching purely the Word of God administration of the Sacraments excommunication of hereticks and wicked persons loosing the penitent the election and ordination of Ministers and the deposition of them againe for just cause And even unto Constantines time The Primitive purity of Church Government was not yet defloured with the dregges of mans invention â—igâ—em in Apoc. 12. pag. 505. 506. Neither had Satan brought in Prelaticall pride into the sheepfold of the Lord but Pastors looked every one to the health of his owne flock And a litle after he citeth Epiphanius â— â— Ibid. pag. 90. Hierome Ambrose Cyrill Hilarie and Gregorie Nazianzene as making for him in the matter of chusing Ministers But most certaine it is within this space of time many things were done in the election and ordination of Ministers which are directly crosse to that which you require as essentiall in his calling See Iun. eccl l. 3. cap. 1. See Sâ—crat l. 4. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 21. Grâ—e 16 17. c. 35. Gr. lat 29. ca. 36. Gr. ca. 30. lat Sozom. l. 6. ca. 18.20 Evagr. p. 2. c. 8. Socr. hist 13. l. 4. c. 10.33 Theo. l. 4. c. 6. Ambr. offic l. 1. Bils Christian Sub. part 2. pag. 28 2. Sozom. l. 7. cap. 8. Socrat. hâ—st l. 5. ca. 8. Iust in Novel Inst 223. cap. 28.9 Concil Toâ—â—â—an ca. 2â— Greg. epist. lâ—b 40. ca. 78. To Constantia the Empresse The Bishop of Salona was ordered neither â— nor any responsarie witting thereof which thing was never attempted under any of the Princes your predecessors c. Yet I obeying their graces Precepts did from my heart remit unto the said Maximus this his presumption as freely as if he had been ordered by my self c. Concil tom 2. Concil Parisien can 8. if at any time you can prove that all things were observed which I doe not beleeve Ambrose himselfe was chosen Bishop when he was onely Catechumenus before he was baptized so that he was constrained to teach that which himselfe had not learned yesterday catechised to day a Bishop The Election in all things not to be approved as consonant to the rule for the Canons were strong against it and Saint Paul seemeth not willing that a novice should be a Bishop but never thought or esteemed to be none at all Of the election of Nectarius see Sozomene and Socrates Iustinian ordained If any man build a Church or house of prayer and would have Clerkes
the Altar is put for Christ in the Ancients Ignat. ad Magnesian To one Altar to one Lord Iesus Christ Ad Philadel one Altar to all the Church Iren. adv haeres l 4 ca. 34. est Ergo Altare in caelis Euseb Hist lib. 10. cap. 4. and the flesh of the peace-offering But that all Ordinances of the Church done out of a true constituted Church in your sense should be altogether unlawfull or that the Ordinances are tyed to your Church constitution as the Sacrifices were to the Temple that we reade not and how then shall we be perswaded of it Remember your owne request Let the Scripture speake in the points betweene us for without it nothing is to be affirmed and beyond it nothing to be concluded Principally of old the Temple shaddowed Christ in and through whom we must present our service unto God and then the Church of Christians but that the externall constitution of a Congregationall societie is represented thereby in such sort as if it be thus or thus constituted it should be lawfull to joyne with them but if this or that externall rite be lacking it should be unlawfull to joyne in the worship of God is most unprobable In all ages the Lord hath had his Church in which he hath beene worshipped But evermore the faithfull were not to bring their sacrifices to the Tabernacle or Temple And if the Lord had chosen not that place for sacrifice other service pleasing and acceptable might and ought to bee performed in other places Therefore that Sacrifices should prefigure all Ordinances and exercises of the Christian Church Fulke in Matth. 23. Sect. 7. The Lords Altar that was in the Temple was a figure of Christs onely true sacrifice once offered Bishop Babin comfort notes upon Exod. 27. and the Tabernacle and Temple the externall frame and constitution of a Church is an unwritten tradition It is more reasonable a great deale to compare the externall frame of the Iewish Church with the outward order which God hath instituted for the Evangelicall Churches and worship with worship substance of Religion with substance and then it will follow that as the faithfull and religious Iewes might and ought to hold societie in the Ordinances of Religion when many things were amisse in the externall frame and constitution of the Church as the Priests idle covetous prophane the people dissolute impenitent rebellious so the faithfull in the Christian Church must hold Communion in the Ordinances of Grace though in the constitution of the Church the Officers and members much be out of order Doway annot in 3. booke of Kings pag. 7 15. The Doway glosse hath much more probbaility than yours To conserve unity say they there was but one Tabernacle one Altar for sacrifice in the whole people of Israel Wherupon when the two tribes and an halfe on the other side Iordan had made a severall Altar all the Tribes that dwelt in Canaan suspecting it was for Sacrifice sent presently to admonish them Aug. Epist 48 Quis non impudentissemè c. vid page seq Omnis ea distinctio in re Theologica est inanis fictio quae ex Dei mentiri nescis authoritate non accipitur quaeque rem ipsam de qua agitur tollit c. Martin de persona Christ page 632. c. but what end shall we have if every man upon his owne head may devise or Coyne significations of Gods Ordinances What is this but to bring in a new word to set up Sacraments upon our own heads Herein we say to you and them as you to your opposite I require the voyce of the Shepheard Read it mee out of the Prophets Shew it mee out of the Psalmes c. In the interpretation of the Types and Figures of the Law mens judgements if the Scripture goe not before them are of small credit Can. Stay Sect. 3. Pag. 20.21 If that be true in the Philosopher Opposit a sunt simul natura Arist Topic l. b. 6. Bonum est cujus contrarium est malum Rhetor. l. 1. If vvee take a strâ—ct vievv and enquirie of that Ministery Worship and Government vvhich they left at Dan Bethel it will appear evidently that the same was not more salfe idolatrous and unlawful than the present Ministerie worship and Government of the English Assemblies is by the Non-conformists affirmed to be Jeroboams Apolog in his Arrovv against Idolatry CAN Necess of Sep. p. 85.86 87 88. Course of Comfor p. 161.162 Opposite things in nature are alike Againe That is good whose contrary is evill It must needs followes that as some Churches are visibly true in respect of faith and order so others may bee true too having outward order albeit the members thereof have no faith at all The which assertion is not to bee answered but abhorred The tenne Tribes which departed from the Lord from his Temple Sacrifices Priests Altar and other holy signes of his presence at Ierusalem from the time and still after were not Gods Church so the Scriptures shew Hos 2.2 and 2 Chron. 15.3 Ier. 3.8 Amos 9.7 c. And the Israelites when they worshipped at Dan and Bethel were not in respect of faith and Doctrine more corrupt than the other now is Mr. Amsworth and the Non conformists affirme that the Apostate Iewes could justifia their way and course of Religion as well if not better than the other ANSWER The Philosophicall Maxime to which you have reference is Arist. de Caelo lib. 2. cap. 3. Text. 19. Posito une contrariorum ponitur alterum But as you cite it It is as hard to be found as your translation is to be understood That it is not universall appeareth out of Arist himselfe who putteth down the contrary Maxime as true and certaine Arist Gategor l. c. 11 de contrar Non necessarium est Si contrariorum alterum sit alterum esse Nam si omnes sint sanitas quidem erit morbus non erit So in the first Creation of all things all things were very good and there was nothing evill All things created are finite in act but amongst things created there neither is nor can be a naturall infinite Truth and false-hood good and evill Piety and Idolatry are opposite and that before ever false-hood evill or Idolatry had any being in the world Contraries we know expell one another Or if one be necessary in the subject the other cannot be in it at least in the intense degree as if fire be hot it cannot be cold Now it is necessary that every thing created be finite and good as created and therefore good had a being before evill If it be objected that opposites are relatives and relatives are together in nature the answer is they are relatives secundum dici as they speake not secundum esse which may bee said to be together in nature Not that both are in act existent out of their causes but because the nature of
the ordinary way and meanes Id. Sect. 15. p. 132. which the Scripture speakes of to beget men to the faith For as a false forged constitution makes a Church a reall and substantiall Idoll So all that comes from it is touched with the Idolatry of that constitution This is a ruled opinion of many Divines The State makes all the publike actions to be formally good or evill For as the Temple sanctifieth the gold Matth. 23.17 the Altar the offerings so the Ordinances of the Church under the Gospell are sanctified unto us Bucer in Mat. 23.17 That is as Bucer truely speaketh in the use of them made lawfull to us in that they have their rise from a true and right power Seeing therefore the Church in Question wants a right Constitution it must follow that all spirituall actions done in it whether Prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures as they are there done are none of Gods Ordinances though true it is in themselves they are of God If the false Churches of whom we disputed CAN. Stay Sect. 15. p. 131.132 Id. Sect. 2. p. 8. be that spirituall Babylon mentioned in the Revelation cap. 18.4 then it is unlawfull for Gods people to goe unto them to performe any spirituall or religious action and so consequently not to heare theâ—e But the first is true Ergo the later is true also The proposition needs no proofe because our opposites and we herein are of opinion alike The assumption is manifest by these reasons Artopaeus in Rev. 18. pag. 198. Flac. Illyric in Rev. 18.4 Par. com in Hos 4. pag. 506. Bulling in Apoc. ca. 18. con 76. 1. The words in the Text prove it plainely Come out of her my people that is remove your selves from all false assemblies covenant together to walk in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come But repent rather that yee have suffered your Consciences to bee wrought upon by any unlawfull Officers And thus doe the Learned interpret the place namely of such a coming out as that we may not be bodily present at any of their worship 2 Cor. 6.1 Ioh. 5.21 Zech. 11.17 Botlac prompt allegoriar cap. 21. de Minist It is like that filthy bird which carryeth this Motto Contactu omnia saedat The publisher and others with him have comitted appatant Idolatry maintained it in the Church and sought thereby to pervert the right wayes of the Lord. Jd. sect 1. p. 7. Id sect 15. p. 133. A false Church state is rightly likened to the leprosie spread in the wals of the houses of the Lepers because of the pollution which it causeth to the persons and things Take for instance a Citie or Towne if the civill State or Corporation which they have be usurped aevised or derived from a false power all their publike administrations are unlawfull and every one partaking thereof offendeth So all administrations done in a false Church whether prayer Preaching Sacraments Censures are uncleane actions and doe defile every receiver J say because of the Idoll State which is devised out of a mans braine and used as a meanes to serve God in it and by it All the Ordinances done after the invention and will of Antichrist can no otherwise be judged than a brood common to the nature of the breeders that is the Devill and the Whore of Rome the Father and Mother that did beget them ANSWER THe Faithfull are commanded to come out of spirituall Babylon and not to communicate with her in false worship or Idolatry Revel 18.4 as the Text doth confirme and your opposites grant And therein it was needlesse to muster up the testimonies of the Learned to give evidence in a case maintained and practised notoriously sc that we must flye from the society of Rome and not be present to behold their worship Your labour herein is superfluous but that the Names of Learned men here numbred up might serve to cover your nakednesse when you come to the point in controversie wherein you prove just nothing at all But our Churches wherein the Gospell of Christ is purely preached and professed in all points fundamentall the seales of the Covenant of Grace rightly administred who are separaced from spirituall Babylon in mind and body and have fled from her worship and Idolatry who are built upon Christ the true and firme foundation of his Church and by Christ himselfe acknowledged for his people and graced with his favourable presence Our Churches I say cannot be deemed or reputed spirituall Babylon without great injurie to Christ his truth his Church and Saints By spirituall Babylon in this booke of the Revelation is meant Rome Christian departed from the faith guilty of the blood of Saints stained with manyfold and fearfull Idolatries the mother of fornications who hath made drunke the Kings of the earth with the cup of her poysons as might bee confirmed by the Scripture it self the joynt consent of learned orthodox Divines and the testimonie of Papists themselves But to brand the Churches of Christ since the reformation who have renounced Antichrists doctrine worship and idolatries and embraced the intire faith of the Lord Jesus with that odious hatefull name is contrary to the truth of God evident reason and the judgement of all approved godly learned men You miserably corrupt and pervert the Text when you give this to be the sense thereof Remove your selves from all false Assemblies covenant together to walke in all the wayes of God serve the Lord among your selves in spirit and truth and returne not from whence you are come This is not to interpret Scripture and learne of them what wee are to thinke but to racke Scriptures to our sense and make them speake according to our fansies which is an high point of Antichristianisme If you will stand to your principles within two hundred yeares after Christ or lesse there was not one true Christian societie in the whole world which did walke together in all the wayes of God and serve God in a Church state among themselves And will you say the faithfull are charged of God in this passage of holy writ to remove and separate from all Christian assemblies that then were in the world and to serve God among themselves If corruption in doctrine manners worship government and orders make a false assembly Rome was a false assembly long before the Lord gave commandement to his people to depart thence and separate themselves Israel for a time continued in Egypt and Babylon viz. untill the Lord sent to bring them forth and the Church lay hid in Babylon and that by the providence and approbation of God long after Rome was miserably corrupted and defiled The matter is notorious and therefore to spend more words about it is needlesse Hee that considereth the state of things long before the faithfull separated from Rome and what is written in defence of that separation which
said of Paul that he taught Apostasie from the Law the meaning is not that he had revolted to the Gentiles or denyed the Messias or the Law or the Prophets but that under pretence of the Messias he had polluted the purity of the doctrine of the Law and the Prophets This Apostasie then was small in beginning encreased in time Acts 21.21 Non statim desilitur a bonis initiis ad malum finem sed per gradus pedetentim descenditur P. Ramus Epist. ad Carolum Lotharing an 1570. De quindecim a Christo seculis primum vereesse aureum reliqua quò longius abscederent esse nequiora atque deteriora Vsser de siccess ca. 1. S. 8. Jam inde a principio Mysterium iniquitatis peragi caeperit ut mirandum non sit si seculie subsequentibus nonnulla dectrinae pontificiae zizania sensim sine sensu succreverint a veteribus illis aliud praesertim agentibus minus animadversa Euseb Hist l. 3. cap. 32. lib. 4. cap. 22. Edit Graec. Niceph. Hist l. 4. ca. 1. Neque corum qui praecesserunt virtutem assecutos neque ita simplicers ut magistri eorum orationem consecutos esse and grew greater and greater not perceived at first not opposed by godly men it possessed the successors of holy Teachers themselves This corruption of the faith was so brought in by degrees that the most vigilant could scarce discerne it when it was first sowed The successors of Godly men received it and the godly themselves for a great while groaned under it for it was a clandestine Conspiracy and opposition of the faith not directly but obliquely not in expresse tearmes but by consequences So that of the first fifteene ages of the Church of the New Testament that cannot be denyed which Carolus Lotharingus the Cardinall uttered in Porsiacâ responsione That the first was golden but the rest the further they departed the worse and more corrupt they were Whiles the Apostles lived the Church remained a Virgin pure and uncorrupt but within the three first ages from the rising of the Gospell her health was crased by errors in doctrine superstitious abuses crept into the worship of God breach of comely order in Government and offences in life whereof we finde the Pastors to make large complaint It cannot be denyed but that they that succeeded the Apostles did excell in Piety and Godlinesse but withall it is most certaine they did neither attaine the vertue of them that went before them nor teach so purely and truely as their masters and instructors as Nicephorus observeth And what is said of Honâ—er in another matter is not unfitly applyed to this purpose few Children are like to their Parents The liberty of mans will and dignity of workes was too much advanced Many thought the soules of the just should not see God untill the day of judgement The Sacrament of the Supper was ministred to infants which abuse is reformed by the Church of Rome her selfe They dipped the Sacramentall bread into the Wine sometimes and so administred them together Clem. Alex. strom lib. 1. T. C. repl 1 pag. 74. Maldonat in Io. 6 Cypr. de laps Iustin. Mart. apolog 2. Gyp lib. 2. ep 3 ad Caecilium or ep 63. epist 48. Hieron in Mar. cap. 14. Polydor. de inveator rer lab 5. cap. 91. Iust Mart. qu. 155. Basil de Spir. Sanct. Of the controversie about the Feast Easter See Eusch lib. 5. cap. 23. Sozom. l. l. 7. cap. 15. Socrat. l. 5. cap. 22. Altars brought into the Church by Sixtus the second about 265.86 Sewide Apol. art 3. div 26. Tho. Beacon 3. vol. Sup. print Lond. 1562. Which others thinke came into the Church about the yeare 590. They carryed it home with them and laid it up in Chests to be received privately Wine was mixed with water in the administration of the Sacrament of the Supper Deacons preached Women Baptized Baptisme was stained with superstitious rites and Ceremonies in daily use many rites and Customes practised which had no ground in the Word of God and sundry things observed as Apostolicall which were directly contrary to the Apostles Doctrine or example Within two hundred yeares after Christ there was crept into the Church many idle Ceremonies and the simplicity of Christs Ordinances refused Each man as he had either credit or authority presumed of himselfe to adde somewhat to Christs institution and the flesh delighting in her own devices Tertul. de Coron Milit. delivered the same with a strait charge as if Christ Himselfe had taken order for it In Tertullians time we may find many strange inventions taken up in Baptisme Three dippings in the Water Tasting Milke and Hony Abstaining from all other washing for a seven night after Cyp ep 72. ad Bonifacium Cyp ep 34 Cyp. de laps S. 4. Euseb Hist l. 8. c. 1 In Cyprians time there was consecration of water and such estimation of oyle that no man was thought to bee a Christian that was baptised without it of the memorials of Martyrs and what blemishes appeared in the conversation of Christians who list may read in Cyprian and others Sabel Enead 7. l. 4. Nuda fuit abinitio anmis ceremoniarum ratio plus pietatis babens quam apparatus Osiand Hist Eccles cent 3. l. 3. cap. 11 Paulatim cerem niae auctae sunt hominum superstitiosorum â—pinionibuaâ— In the three ages following though the doctrine of salvation and substance of Gods Worship was maintained in all fundamentall points and the Omnipotency of the Pope was not knowne nor Images worshipped the Scripture was read and Prayers made in a knowne tongue the Sacrament of the Supper was administred to the People in both kindes men women and Children had free liberty to read the holy Scriptures the Sacrament was not adored nor the doctrin of Transubstantiation heard of Neverthelesse manifest seeds of Antichristianisme were sowed and began to appeare in some strength The state of the Church was lamentable the corruptions many and great both in respect of doctrine worship government and holinesse of conversation Magdeburg cent 4. cap. 6. col 440. Subiâ—de magis magisque traditiones humanae cumulatae sunt Per. in Rom. sec 106. Aug. Enchiridâ—aâ— 110. Chrys tom 4. ad pop 66. in 1 Cor. 16. hom 43. Cham. panstâ—â— tom 2 lib. 20. c. 5. sec 19. Whitak de Pontif. Rom Praef. ad auditores sec 5. Brâ—ghtm a poc c. 4. 7. 12 6 13 15. Socrat. hist. 7. c. 11. About the year 430 the Romane and Alexandrian Bishops left the sacred function degenerated into secular rule Euscb de vila Constant l. 4. c. 40 43. Socrat. l. 1. c. 8 22 l. 4. c. 18. Arnob. advers Gent. l. 8. Origen cont Cetâ—â— l. 7. Conc. Elib c. 36. Calfeh against Mart. Pref. to the reader Chamier paâ—str t. 2 l. â—6 c. 7 sic 6. Bils Christ. part 14. pag 351 c. Gregor l 7. cp 5 3 ad Secund.
but a new furbishing over of the same broken staffe might well be passed over in silence But lest the credulous reader should conceit it is slighted because it containeth some matter of importance I will in few words lay open the weaknesse and vanitie thereof First you translate the Schoolmans words vel cui non debet vel non eo modo quo debet very improperly when divine worship is not exhibited either to the person it should be c. and indeed make his speech absurd or senselesse For it was never imagined to be superstition not to exhibite divine worship to God but Atheisme or prophanesse rather You say superstition is that which is done supra statutum when more estimation is had of a thing more dignitie placed in it than is meet which is contrary to the not exhibiting of divine honour to God but this is your common practice 2. Your reasons to prove it superstition to heare Antichristian Ministers in their false assemblies as you stile them are none of the best If there vvere no more but giving obedience to such â—â—dinance as are imposed vvith a necessitie upon us that meerely for conscience of the ordinance it is enough to infect the actions vvith superstition A dispute against Engl. popish part 1. ca. 3. p. 9. Calvin Instit l. 4. c. 10. §. 16 27 29. Aug. confes ca. de discyiminâ— ciboruÌ„ though all should be granted which you desire for though it be no particular ordinance in respect of time or place yet it followeth not that it is superstition For if for substance the duty be of God it may be done without superstition when it is not in particular commanded May not the case fall out that it is free for a man whether he will heare the word at such a time or follow the duties of his calling and if hee doe the one or the other in so doing he is not to be deemed superstitious To place opinion of necessitie holinesse or worship in that which God hath not instituted or sanctified is superstition But to do this or that act which is commanded or allowed of God cannot be called superstition though in some particular circumstance above mentioned it be no particular ordinance You say whosoever takes to himselfe practice Chemnit Exam part 2. in Sess 13. can 10. Calvin de neces reform Eccles Quum putarentur observatu necessariae esse hominum leges corrigi debuit perniciosus hic error c. Châ—mier panstr tom 4. de Eus. l. 6 c. 4 sect 3 4. Magdeb. praef 7. cen It is not lavvfull for civill Magistrates to devise formes of Religion in destruction of the truth and so to reconcile truth and errour that they may both bee lulled asleepe They may not prescribe religion alone they must not engender new articles of faith they must not strangle the truth vvith errour nor shackle it vvhen it is revealed that they may let loose the bridle of corruption c. Matthevv 4. 9 See Par. in loc Luke 4.7 2 Chroni 11.15 1 Cor. 10.20 Rev. 9.20 1 Tim. 4.1 which is not grounded upon Gods word and is strict therein hee is just overmuch why doe you adde and is strict therein if every act simply not commanded be superstition And if by such hearing a man did approve countenance or give honour unto any the wayes of Antichrist or did simbolize with Idolaters yet could not this hearing be condemned as will-worship or superstition unlesse the breach of every commandement be will-worship or superstition Men may be superstitious in the use of Antichristian rites or devices and so they may in the use of their owne devices yea of the ordinances of God themselves But whosoever doth countenance or approve any of the wayes of Antichrist he is not therein though hee breake the commandement some other way superstitious or a wil-worshipper 3 If superstition be committed when more estimation or regard is had to a thing than God alloweth or can stand with his will revealed in his word beware lest you convince your selfe superstitious in an high degree For when you magnifie your Church order and constitution as an ordinance of that absolute necessitie as that God cannot lawfully be worshipped in any other societie or assemblie and that none other Church is true You place more excellency and dignitie in it and give more estimation and regard unto it than God alloweth in his word I might adde that in many particulars you advance your owne imaginations as the necessarie and holy ordinances of God which if it bee not idolatry at least is superstition in your language Observable it is you say whereas one Evangelist setting downe the Tempters words to Christ saith worship me another hath it worship before me shewing it is all one to worship before the Divell or to worship him Whereupon you adde now hee is worshipped when Idols are worshipped or any false institution is observed or practice used which if it was true I should not feare to charge you as a pernicious idolater or worshipper of the Divell But I will not make use of such leaden weapons CAN. Stay Sect. 4. page 63. For it is a most notorious and grosse absurditie For if every false institution and practice bee the worship of the Divel it must necessarily follow that every error concerning the worship of God concerning the commandements of the first table is the worship of the Divell which a Christian should blush to speake and abâ—â—ere to heare 4 In your esteeme all Churches are false which are not constituted after your manner and all Ministers Antichristian who are not called and ordained by that particular congregation where they are to administer and being so taken I answer It is neither superstition nor will-worship to heare Antichristian Ministers in your stile but indeed the true lawfull approved Ministers of Jesus Christ in their Assemblies To heare or to communicate with them is not to approve or honour any Antichristian way or sembolize with idolaters but to approve maintaine and exercise purely the ordinances of grace to yeeld obedience to Gods commandement to regard honour and esteeme what bee alloweth and honoureth and to worship him both for matter and manner according to his will The precepts promises and institution of God Ames Bell. Eâ—â—â—tem 2. lâ—â—de â—ccâ—notis 〈…〉 catus ille in quo christus adest dum demonstratur ubi sit Christus Ille autem caetus est ecclesia christus erim ambulat inter 7. candelabâ—â— quae sunt 7. ecâ—lesie the approved practice of the Saints from the beginning of the world unto this day doth plentifully warrant this practice to be holy profitable and necessarie in respect of divine institution This doctrine hath evermore been professed in all Churches defended by Orthodox Divines taught in Sermons received by the Faithfull and most plainely confirmed by the Scriptures But not to repeat so many things spoken already I proceed to examine what you have
negligence unjust usurpation or the like The right of government in Christs name belongeth unto them because it flowes from the ordinance and constitution of Christ as a proper adjunct which cannot be separated from the subject But the action it selfe of government may be n A disput part 3. c. 8. p. 189. When we teach that the Pastour or Pastours of every particular Church or congregation with the Elders of the same being met together have power to bind and loose we understand this onely of such places wherein a competent number of understanding and qualified men may be had to make up an Eldership hindred divers wayes when the being of the Church is not destroyed The Pastours and Teachers may be ignorant of their priviledges and so give away that which of right belongeth unto them or they may be negligent in the execution of their office and not heedfully attend to the Ministery committed unto them The greater part may prevaile against the better or some few may usurpe into their owne hands the power which belongeth unto the Societie which being once gained cannot easily be regained or redeemed in which cases the lawfull action of government is hindred when yet the Church remaineth the true Church of Christ Thus it hath been with the o Ambros in 1 Cor. cap. 5. The Apostle decreed that by the consent and in the presence of all men hee should be cast out of the Church c. Church of God in all ages ever since there was a Church upon the face of the earth And from this fountaine have sprung the errors abuses and corruptions which have prevailed in the Church of God For if p Hieron ad Heâ—iodor in Id. ad Reparium advers Vigilantium disorders get head of necessitie the action of government is some way hindred or neglected Now to your Assumption First Every particular q August contr eâ— Parm. lib. 3. c. 2. Societie of beleevers in the Church of England or singular Pastour of this or that Congregation hath not the power of government neither doth it of right or by divine gift belong unto the communitie of the faithfull or one singular Pastour Secondly The power of Government as it consisteth in discerning betwixt the precious and the vile admonishing the inordinate and excommunicating the obstinate is considered either in respect of the substance parts and duties thereof or in respect of the ordering and administration by such persons and in such a course This distinction must be granted or else all the Churches which administer discipline amisse in any circumstance at any time must be charged to have no discipline at all and they that commit the administration of discipline to persons in mens opinion not designed by Christ not to have the discipline of Christ for substance For example they that commit the execution of discipline to the Presbytery or Classis have not the discipline of Christ in the judgement of the Separation because Christ as they say hath committed it to the communitie or body of the Societie And they that commit the power of government to the r Chrysost in Math. Hom. 83. No small vengeance hangeth over your heads if you suffer any hainous offender to be partaker of this Table people or communitie joyntly with the Elders in the judgement of reformed Churches have not the discipline of Christ because he hath committed it to the Presbytery And every act of government may be excepted against as a nullity because in some circumstance or other the order prescribed by Christ is not fully observed This then considered the Church of England is not without the s If any Prince would be baptized or approach to the Lords Table with manifest shew of unbeliefe or irrepentance the Minister is bouÌ„d freely to speak and rather to lay downe his life at the Princes feet then to let the King of Kings be provoked the mysteries defiled his own soule and the Princes endangered for lacke of often and earnest admonition discipline of Christ for substance whether the word be taken largely or strictly whether we respect right or execution but the outward forme and ordering of the discipline is not in all things according to the Word of God Iâ— by divine right the power of government belongeth either to the societie of Church-governours or the communitie of the faithfull it belongeth also to the Pastours Teachers Elders Assemblies among us As for the execution of discipline largely taken all men know the Word is truely preached and the Sacraments are duely and rightly t Bilson Christian subj part 2. p. 302. If you meane they may not minister the Sacraments unto Princes without faith repentance which God requireth of men that shall be baptized or have accesse to his Table we grant they must rather hazzard their lives than baptize Princes which beleeve not or distribute the Lords mysteries to them that repent not Bilson Christ subj part 3 p. 2. part 3. p. 248. If the Prince will not submit himselfe to the rules and precepts of Christ but wilfully maintaine heresie open impurity the Bishops are without flattery to reprove and admonish the Prince of the danger that is imminent from God and if he persist they must cease to communicate with him in divine prayer and mysteries Bils Ch. sub part 3. pag. 63 64. 74. administred and in what societie soever God is truely worshipped of necessitie the discipline of Christ is in some sort observed If we speake of discipline more strictly all men know the Church of England by doctrine professeth by Law hath established and daily practiseth for substance the execution of the very discipline of Christ The ordering and administration of the censures as it is in the Church of England is faultie and corrupt and how the godly have laboured according to their places the redresse of that evill is not unknowne to the world in part But the want of due execution of discipline or disordered administration thereof doth not argue the Church to want discipline but the due ordering of discipline nor to be no Church but to be defective and much out of order In the Church of the Jewes in the old u Jer. 20.1.2 3. 29.26 27 Mat. 10.17 Iude v. 4.7.8.10 Testament there was many times great neglect of discipline and abuse thereof In the Churches of the New Testament as in Corinth Galatia the Churches to which James and Jude wrote and Rome the execution of discipline could not take place or was much neglected Diotrephes usurped over the Church and corrupted the discipline when the Church continued the true Church of Christ and the faithfull abode in that societie This instance Dr Ames truely alledged to shew that the reprovers of abuses doe not lay the foundation of schisme or separation from the Church which x Can. Neces of Separat pag. 163. you doe well to spurne at because you know not how to remove it For
that clause you greatly wrong the Nonconformists and reformed Churches in charging them with this position For it is their direct assertion to the contrary that for want of orderly administration of discipline Christians are not to separate from the true and sound Churches of Jesus Christ Your phrase likewise of placing themselves about the throne of God is in no sort approved of them or of the truth it selfe As if none were placed about the throne of God or God did not graciously vouchsafe his presence unto or reigne over any assembly wherein discipline is not rightly and orderly in all points administred But here it must be noted that the power of government must be considered either in respect of the substance of it or the orderly manner of administration as was said before And a thing or office is called Antichristian in two respects First as whatsoever is not of Christ is Antichristian in which sense they of the Separation call all stinted Liturgies Antichristian Secondly as that which is derived from the authoritie and headship of the great Antichrist of Rome and dependeth upon him as his owne institution is Antichristian And to apply these things to the purpose if we take the word Antichristian in the first signification the true Church of God may be under Antichristian government in respect of the manner of dispensation of the censures that is the dispensation of the censures may be committed to such persons as are not instituted approved and set apart of Christ for that purpose and in such manner As if it be committed to an usurped power over the Brethren or to some few of many or to such as be ignorant prophant or the like It is true the light hath no fellowship with darknesse nor truth with falshood but in this life light in men is miked with darknesse and the best Christians infected with errours of Antichristianisme In many of the Martyrs of Jesus Christ both before since the revelation of Antichrist their knowledge was mingled with more darknesse and their Christianitie with more antichristianisme if you will so call it than can be found in our Church and Ministery Jos 5.7.9 See Iun. annot It is true the faithfull must labour every one in his place to bring in the ordinances of God and reforme abuses but if they cannot prevaile they must not cut themselves off from the body and excommunicate the societie For if the Church may want yea neglect the use of the Sacraments for a time and yet continue the true g Hieron in Tit. 1. Amb. in 1 Tim. 5. Bils perpet c. 11. Gratian. Decret cap. 15. qu. 7. ca. 2.5 6 7. Concil Turon 2. c. 7. Nic. Abbas Panor in decret Gregor 9. de consuetud cap. 4. Olim presbyteri in communi regebant ecclesiā ordinabant Sacerdotes Cypr. epist 6. or lib. 3. epist 10. lib. 1. epist 9. Concil Carthag 4. ca. 23. Tho. 1. 〈◊〉 qu. 71. art 5. ad tertium Bonav in 1 sent dist 48. art 2. qu. 1. in resol Scor. in 3 sent dist 9. qu. unica n. 4. Church of God then it may want the orderly use of discipline in respect of the officers by whom and the manner how it should be duely exercised For the politicall guiding of a Church by the censuring discipline is not to be compared to the want neglect of the Seales If the Church shall thinke good to keepe in a member which some private man judgeth worthy to be excommunicated must he cut off himselfe or cast out the offender contrary to the order If the Power of government be exercised by the whole body of the Societie which I conceive to belong onely to the Colledge Ecclesiasticall must I needs separate from them as no Church of Christ Affirmative precepts binde perpetually but not to all times to disposition and readinesse alwayes but to practice onely when time place and opportunitie occurreth For example a man is ever obliged to thinke the truth if he know it but not either to professe or speake the truth at all times Of affirmative duties some are absolutely necessary in men of age and discretion without which there can be no salvation as beliefe in Christ and repentance from dead works Others are necessary when God giveth h Neither doe I know what warrant any ordinary Minister hath by Gods word in such a case so to draw any such Church or people to his private ministry that therby they should hazzard their outward state quiet in the Common-wealth where they live when in some cōpetent measure they may publikely with the grace and the favour of the Magistrate injoy the ordinarie means of their salvation Vnreasona c. pag. 61. Aug. epist contr Parm. lib. 3. cap. 2. Bezacontr Eras de Excom Feild of the Ch◠lib. 1. cap. 17. Eccl. Lugdun lib. de tenenda verit script post medium in Biblioth patr tom 4. par 2. edit 4. opportunitie and calleth a man forth thereunto as profession of the faith by joyning our selves to the Church of God and partaking of the Sacraments Others oblige in a time free which doe not oblige in a time not free as when urgent necessitie the circumstance of time and place the state and condition of things doe restraine and keepe backe As the exercise of Ecclesiasticall discipline against open obstinâte offenders is an affirmative dutie imposed by divine law upon the Governours of the Church or as you say upon the whole Societie But it lyeth not upon this or that particular member to doe it or separate when others be remisse and either be not perswaded of or doe neglect their dutie and will not be drawne unto it They be not of the lowest ranke who thinke it may and ought to be forborne when it cannot be used without open and unavoidable schisme When a doctrinall errour of lesse importance and small evill consequence prevaileth in a Church by publique authoritie it is not the dutie of a private Teacher publiquely to strive against it to manifest apparent schismes but rather in a milde and peaceable manner to cure them and peaceably to tolerate some things when the good of Gods Church doth call for and require it Who doth not calmely and peaceably moderate that which he thinketh but is readie incontinent to contentions dissentions and scandals although he have not an hereticall sense most certainly he hath an hereticall minde And though the i The Apostleanever erected planted publike Churches and Ministers in the face of the Magistrate whether they would or no or in despite of them But such in respect of the eye of the Magistrate were as private as might be Vnreasonablenesse of Separat pag. 59. Government of the Church dependeth upon the ordinance of God yet it is not for every particular and private man to set up that order in societies professing the faith publiquely and established by Law against the mind and pleasure of the Christian Magistrate And
murderers in the Church of the Jewes sprung up with them and continued amongst them and neither departed themselves nor were cast out by others that had authoritie In the Christian Church divers false Teachers ravening Wolves Antichrists rose up 1 Joh. 2.19 Tit. 3.10 1 Tim 1.20 2 Thes 2.3 4. Phil. 1.15 not from among the heathen or Jews but in and from themselves whereof some went out from the Church and separated themselves others were cast out by excommunication and delivered up to Satan that they might learne not to blaspheme Others were tolerated in the Church either because their heresies were not so pernicious at the first or the better side had not power to cast them out or they preached the fundamentall Truths but of evill mindes These in respect of outward order were lawfully elected or called but false Prophets discovered by their doctrine not by their calling When the Apostle exhorteth Timothy not to partake in other menâ— sins doth he not intimate that unfit unable unworthy Ministers might be ordained in the Churches though unlawfully and some of them continuing in the Church the Faithfull are not forbidden to partake of the Ordinances of God because they are present but to beware of their errours that they be not infected by them But if by strangers we understand onely such as did arise from without and brought blasphemous doctrine directly contrary to the foundation of the Faith or such as are justly cast out by the Church that they might learne not to blaspheme then the Faithfull might neither communicate with them in publike nor receive them unto house but flie from them both in minde and body But thieves who lead not in by the doore Christ who have strange voices which the sheep acknowledge not who bring another foundation besides Jesus Christ Atha ad solitariam vita agentes complaineth against Constantius That whereas the Bishops in those daies were wont to be lawfully chosen by the people of the place and sufficiently examined and allowed by other Bishops ad joyning and openly created in the Church Constantius in stead of the Church would have his â—alace succeed and for the multitude of people and right Assemblies to elect he commanded three Euâ—uches to be present and three of his Spies or Prolers for you cannot call them Bishops that they sixe in his palace might create one Felix a Bishop And notiâ—g what manner the Emperor and his Eunuches made he saith In illorum locum juvenes libidinosos e hnieos ne catechismo quiaem imbutos neâ— non bigamos maximis crimin bus male and entes modo aurum darent vesâ—i emptorese forâ— ad Episcopatu summiserere Bilson Christian Subj part 2. pag 255. these are not to be enrolled with such as teach the doctrine of Faith truly for they are not strangers either in respect of Sect Religion or Lawes they are of the houshold of God they serve the Lord as he hath prescribed and walke according to his Law And what is it to wrest the Scripture if this be not when that which is spoken against utter enemies of our Saviour Christ who refused to be shepheards under him and his Ensigne is applied to them who are furnished with singular knowledge wisedome and utterance teach the truth of the Gospell intirely and leade the sheep of Christ to the waters of life whose labours God hath blessed whose voice the sheep heare and receive in whose message they rejoyce and whom they follow as they teach Christ You pretend the testimony of the learned in this matter but let the places be examined and they will be found either to make directly against you or nothing for you as I shall have occasion to shew in the next Section and shall be done more fully when you shall set downe the words of the Authors whereupon you build and attempt from them to make good your conclusion In the meane space I will forbeare tediously to repeat over and over again that such and such make nothing for you and such and such are grossely abused and falsifyed Now let us lay the Principles and Inference together and see if they close The Nonconformists complain of many grosse abuses in the Ministerie in the Election Ordination Qualities of the Person admitted and execution of the function as that ignorant negligent profane men are set over the flock and Non-residents Pluralists men of corrupt mindes who discourage the godly and hearten the profane But this complaint they put not up against all but many in the Ministery The Inference you would make upon their ground is That it is unlawfull to communicate not onely with these men in the Ordinances of Gods Worship but even with the most learned godly and painfull who teach the Truth live holily dispence the Mysteries of Godlinesse purely be approved of the Congregations and blessed of the most high If I took pleasure in your veine call it as you please I could say CAN. Stay §. 11. p. 114. I suspect my sight and I aske of my selfe againe and againe could the Treat write so unskilfully For if this be not a Non sequitur then Fooles cannot speake Non-sense You may take it home For I know not to whom it can be so fitly applyed as to your selfe When this Inference is made good by Scripture Reason or Learned Author I shall suspect that the Non-conformists doe not walke according to their Principles But till then there is just ground to think that in making such Inferences you abuse both your selfe and others That which you adde concerning the dumbe Ministers out of M. Penry CAN. Neces of Sep. p. 43. Id. Neces of Sep. Epist to the Reader is besides the point for he was no Non-conformist but a Separatist by your confession and if no man of pietie will pleade for them yet men of piety learning and judgement doe and must pleade for it is a truth that there is not an absolute Nullitie of their Ministerie and this I presume upon better advice you will not denie or if you doe you must not stay in the Separation which you have made SEC II. CAN Necessitie of Separation pag. 29 30. NOne may heare or joyne in Spirituall Communion with that Ministerie which hath not a true vocation and calling by election approbation and ordination of that Faithfull people where he is to administer Id pag. 46. If their Parsons Vicars Parish Priests Stipendiaries c. be neither in election nor ordination made Ministers agreeable to the Word of God then is their Ministerie false unlawfull Antichristian and so consequently they deale with the holy things of God CAN. Stay §. 11. pag. 113. All these affirme That whosoever taketh upon him to preach without a lawfull sending commeth in not by a lawfull election and holy Church ordinance but breaketh in against order by force and favour of men and by humane lawes he is a Stranger a thiefe a murderer according to Christs
sayings in Jolm 10. And thus have the old Writers expounded the places as Iraeneus lib. 4. cap. 4 Clemens Alexan. lib. 1. Strom. Cypr. libs 1. Epist 6. 76. Didimus in Iohn 10. â—upert in Iolm 10. Theodoret ibid. and others But the present Ministeriâ— of the Ecclesiasticall Assemblies of England hath not a true vocation and calling by election approbation and ordination of the Faithfull people where they Administer Therefore none must heare or joyne in Spirituall Communion with the present Ministerie of the Ecclesiasticall Assemblies of England Which of the Propositions the Non-conformists will denie I know not but sure J am they are both theirs Howbeit it may be they doe not so well weigh their owne Principles as they should And hence it is that their practice is not so strictly answerable to their Profession and therefore doe give just occasion I speake it with griefe unto the Prelates and their Parasites to insinuate against them hypocriticall ends in condemning so grievously the Ministerie worship and government of the English Church CAN. Neces separ Epist to the Reader What better should we expect from them who seek to put out the light againe which hath been by themselves chiefly revealed unto many I know what I say and have good experience of this thing and yet to partake in the knowne evills and abuses thereof But for my part I am otherwise minded than the Bishops in this thing and doe thinke that they doe of conscience condemne the state of the Church but doe not maturely consider the responsive conclusions which follow upon their Principles For which cause I have written of purpose this Treatise to prove they cannot justifie their Tenents against that Church and stand members lawfully thereof ANSWER HANNIBAL said once saith M. Parker There was not so much as one in all the enemies campe that was called Gisco In an Epist published in the profane schis of the Brownists Parker of the Crosse part 2. c. y. §. 2. As for those of the Separation who have confuted them more than wee or who have vvritten more against them Some things of truth they hold with which we thinke it no more sinne for us now to agree than Cyprian once to agree with Novatianus in that which hee esteemed right c. So whatsoever stirre or sedition was moved by the unbeleeving Iewes it was imputed to the Iews that were Christians who were thought to be all one with them Caesar Baron Anâ—al in anno 201. The impuritie of the Gnosticks was drawne to the defamation of all other Christians no difference being made between them Cicer. Parad. 2. M Sutel tract de disc ca. 15. pag. 165. Bell of Ch. Govern cap. 12. pag. 151. 152. Bancroft tract of discip cap. 33. pag. 430. 431. 432 Laus Querim Eccles pag. 62. 63. So whereas the Egyptians were diri ventusi fa ibundi jactantes vani liberi nova um rerum cupientes the Christians and all that are there dwelling are thought to be the very same So may it truly be said now Not so much as one of the Godly Ministers that suffer in England about the Discipline that may deservedly be called a Brownist And the Nonconformists doe no more lay the grounds of Separation than the Reformed Churches sowe the seede of Libertimisme and Anabaptistrie which of all others they have most soundly confuted and judiciously laid open to the world without seeking to justifie ought that elsewhere upon good reason they condemned to be evill But it is no new thing to reproach them as the Authors of errors heresies or schismes who principally laboured the suppressing of them No man cryed downe the Errour of the Manichees concerning a good God and an evill so much as Austine and yet their opinion is charged upon them that hold his opinion of absolute Predestination The positions of the Stoicks answere to the opinions of the Remonstrants concerning Free Will and power in Man but the contrary side is burdened therewith The grounds of the Nonconformists stand directly opposite to the speciall grounds of Separation and yet they heare from some that they be Separatists in heart from others that they have laid the foundation and the Separatists build upon it and that such as have made answere to the Separatists doe against conscience put out the light which hath been by themselves chiefly revealed It is true they complaine of abuses in the Church and not to excuse humane frailty sometimes with heat and fervour excessive and humbly sue for reformation But to seek redresse of what is out of order is rather to endeavour the repaire of what is ruinous than the plucking of it down Jt is one thing dutifully to urge the proceeding of our Church unto perfection another schismatically to leave and forsake her Betwixt these two there is as much difference S. B. The rasing of the foundation c Epist to the Reader as is betweene that child that in tender affection reproveth and laboureth the reformation of his Mother whom he seeth by her indiscreet behaviour to become a reproach among women and him that under pretence of the hate of her uncomely behaviour should pluck out her bowells and forsake her They complaine of abuses remaining in the Reformation not denying that a wonderfull and gracious reformation is already made but moving to a through and perfect reformation of what is wanting and out of order For willingly they confesse that next unto the Lord God every one of them is most deeply bound unto the Kings and Princes whom he hath used as excellent instruments to deliver his Church here out of the spirituall Egypt of Poperie T.C. Repl. 1 fel. 155. This they willingly confesse before men and in their prayers daily give most humble thanks to God for And by their earnest suite and humble desires which they have for further reformation they are so farre from unthankfulnesse that they desire the heape of felicitie to the Church and Commonwealth Which of the Prophets doth not cry out against the Priests in time of the law Against their pride oppression covetousnesse tyrannie that they despised knowledge opposed the true Prophets of the Lord countenanced impietie and profanenesse and shewed themselves enemies to all goodnesse Did the Prophets then who knew what it was to worke according to their owne Principles teach a necessitie of Separation or give presidents to others to separate by their example In all ages of the Church Platina in vita Marcellin Hanc autem calamitatem quam nostri passi sunt a Deo permissam refert Euseb c. Cypr. de duplici Martyâ— Hic discrucior quod non paucos Pastores habeat ecclesia qui non solum non opponunt sua corpora adversus luporum inciersus verum etiam ipfilupos agant c. Concil Nic. 1. ca. 2. Gratian. dist 48 ca 1. Leo ad Afri an Epist. 85. Grat. dist 61. ca. 5. Hieron ad Oâ—e an ep ad Nepoti T.C.
to be planted there if hee allow maintenance for them and place such as be worthy they shall be ordained upon his Nomination And the Toletan Councel decreed That as long as the founders of Churches doe live they shall be suffered to have the chiefe and continuall care of the said Churches and shall offer fit Rectors to the Bishop to be ordained And if the Bishop neglecting the founders shall presume to place any others let him know that his admission shall be voide and to his shame but if such as they chuse be prohibited by the Canons as unworthy then let the Bishop take to promote some whom he thinketh more worthy In these particulars the coÌ„sent of the people is too much abridged as in some other particulars they tooke too much upon them or they gave their right away when yet the calling of the Minister or the office whereunto he was called in those cases was not a nullitie Jn many things saith the Councell of Paris which was the complaint of the Nicene Councell long before the old custom is neglected and the decrees of the Canons are broken But the Ministerie of the Word and Sacraments was not made voide thereby The godly learned consonant to the Scriptures have evermore distinguished betwixt an error in admission into an office and a flat nullitie of the office it selfe The Ministers election into his office Neque tamen ubique ea in parte felix fuit Ecclesia alicubi enim haeretici locum docendi adepti sunt alicubi etiam omissa accurata diligentia invocatione electione minus idonei rerum habenis sunt potiti ut Irenaeus ad Victorem scribens testatur Illiric catalog test lib. 2. tit Eccles Gubern Hatina in vita Damâ—f 2. Adeo enim inoleveraâ— hic mos ut jam cuique ambitioso liceret Petri sedem inv dere Id. in vita Benedict 4. Vbi cum ipsis opibus lascivire caepit Ecclesia Dei versis ejus cultoribus a severitate ad lisciviam c. T C. repl 1. pag. 23. Ibid. Leo. Epist. 40. Concil Niâ—â—â— 2. August oper brev collat cap 5. â—i 2 conâ—r epâ—set Parmen ca. 13. Georg. Pâ—nce Anâ—t sol 66. ought to be according to the Rules of the Word before he enter into the Ministerie he should be blamelesse apt to teach sound in Faith and much more is he to approve himself to be such a one in the execution considering that falls in the execution are much more dangerous to the Church than before But defects in the election doe not make the calling it selfe utterly unlawfull If one blame-worthy be elected or tolerated after he is not to be reputed as one that ministers altogether without a calling Therefore the Non-conformists never taught that the Minister is not to be heard or that wee must not hold communion with him in the Ordinances of Worship who is not elected and ordained by the societie where he is to administer though they maintain the consent of the people to be essentiall to the full compleat call of a Minister to that place and people Thus they doe professe in answere to this and such like accusations Where saith T.C. doe they reason thus The Word of God is not preached because the Mnisters are not rightly proved and elected c. Is it all one to say it is not purely preached it is not truly preached c. They nver said that there is no Ministerie in England nor yet doe ever conclude that there is no Word nor Sacraments nor Discipline nor Church Herein they affirme or teach nothing but what the godly learned in all ages have acknowledged Anatolius consecrated of Dioscorus was approved of Leo and Tharasius The Orthodox Fathers professed so the Donatists would returne to the Catholike true and Apostolicall Faith or Doctrine they would not disallow their Bishops that they might understand saith Augustine that Catholikes did not detest Christian consecration but humane errour We use this moderation saith George Prince Anhalt That they who are called forth to Parochiall offices if they promise that they for the time to come will preach the Word purely and administer the Sacraments according to Christs institution we receive them Horumque contenti vocatione See Grat. Decret 2 part ca. 2. Qu. 7. ca. 8.18 19 20. ca. 1. qu. 1. ca. 52. Socrat. hist. l. 1. ca. 9. Art Smal. par 3. art 10. Stay §. 11. p. 133. Par. in Heb. 5.4 Stay §. 4. p. 30. Par. in Rom. 10.14 15. Legitima autem vocatio ecclesiae est quae in quâvis ecclesiâ publica authoritate ordinis causâ ad aedificationem instituta Dan. in 1. Tim 5. pag. 363.364 pag. 343. Stay §. 4. pag. 30. §. 11. pag. 113. For. Iren. l. 2. cap. 11 prop. 13. tit de Haeretic Certe ad agnoscimus de omnibus clericis haereticis quoad jus liciti exercitii quoad alios uâ—ab corum communione abstincant cis non obediant sed non est accipiendum de onmibus haereticis quoad valorem exercitii in Sacramentorum administratione licet iniustae eorum censurae etiaÌ„ ipso iure nullae sint muneris demandati commissione ordinationem manus impositionem non iteremus So Art Smal. Si. Episcopi suo officio recte fungerentur cur am ecclesiae Evangelii gererent c. Pareus is praysed by your self as an interpreter one of a thousand and oft cited by you in this matter as one that condemneth the hearing of them that are unlawfully sent But according to Pareus He is lawfully sent who is called according to the order which is instituted by publique authoritie in every Church for order sake and to edification Danaeus sharply taxeth the manner of calling Ministers which be conceived to be in use in England and is againe and againe alledged by you in this question but he doth admonish withall that we must distinguish betweene a calling maimed and none at all Ex his autem omnibus saith hee apparet quam nulla sit vel non legitima eorum verbi Dei Ministrorum vel ecclesiae Pastorum vocatio qui solius regis vel reginae vel patroni vel episcopi vel Archiepiscopi authoritate diplomate bullis jussu judicio fit vel eligitur Id quod dolendum est adhuc fieri in iis ecclesiis quae tamen purum Dei verbum habent sequuntur veluti in media Anglia Nam Anglos homines alio qui sapientissimos acutissimos pientissimos in istis tamen papisticae idololatriae tyrannidis reliquiis agnoscendis tollendis scientes prudentesque caecutire mirum est Itaque praeclare sentiunt qui omnem illam chartulariam episcopaticam curionum pastorum Ecclesiae creandorum rationem item ex solo episcopi consensu diplomate ministrorum verbi caelestis vocationem approbationem inaugurationem damnant tollendamque ex reformata ad Dei verbum Ecclesiâ censent quòd ordo Dei verbo praescriptus
art 18. viz. when the place for Sacrifices was undetermined and then it had been Will-worship to put holinesse in places or opinion of worship But when God had chosen out and appropriated one place for Sacrifice and none other then it was a matter of necessitie holinesse and worship to sacrifice there and a great sinne to doe it any where else The reason hereof was not simply because it was not commanded for when it was lawfull to the Fathers of Old it was not commanded but left undetermined only and used by them as a circumstance or adjunct allowed not as a matter of necessitie holinesse or worship not could they have used it so without superstition as on the other side after the strict commandement given to Israel to sacrifice in the place which God had chosen and none other and the place of worship precisely determined for typicall signification it was a part of true worship in conscience necessarie for them to doe otherwise was grievously to transgresse and not to doe that which was commanded as necessary holy and worship had been prophanenesse For that which is commanded may not be neglected neither is any thing to be done which is repugnant thereunto But many things in the worship of God are not commanded or determined by God but left to the libertie of Christians many things were unprofitable and needlesse to be determined particularly by divine authoritie as being easily discernable by the light of nature and common reason and many things could not be determined because one order in them could not fit all ages times and places in the world The divisions of the Chapters and verses as they are in our Bibles and the Sections of the Law as among the Jewes are of men and so is the phrase of speech and method used in Prayer Preaching Administration of the Sacraments and the very words of Translations wherein the Scriptures are read and cannot be one and the same in all societies And so are the circumstances how oft at what houre on what day in what place the Pastor shall preach which are particular determinations of the Church and variable If you say these things are prescribed in generall and by consequence because they are done according to the rules of direction given in Scripture Of necessitie you must confesse the proposition is ambiguous for sometimes prescribed shall import as much as determined instituted commanded sanctifyed if not appropriated and sometimes it shall note no more but left at libertie or indetermined Neither will that sense stand in the proposition Synops purior theol disp 35. thes 17. Ab omni traditionum humanarum jugo liberas habeant conscientias cum solius Dei sit res ad religionem pertinentes praescribere for then it should be lawfull to place opinion of necessitie holinesse or worship in those things which are undetermined or not commanded of God which is contrary to the whole scope and drift of Scripture and the judgement of all Orthodox and sound Divines new and old To proceed more distinctly because it is a matter much insisted upon and as much mistaken and misapplyed by many Worship is as large as the Commandement nay as the whole Word of God Bald. de cons l. 4. c. 3. To the precepts of God nothing is to be added Deut. 12. Now God hath commanded these things which are necessarie The rites of the Church are not necessary wherefore if the abrogation or usurpation of any rite be urged as necessary then is an addition made to the commandement of God which is forbidden in the Word c. Dea. 12.2 4 1 2. 5.32 Lev. 18.4 Prâ—v 30.6 Ambr de parad c. 12 tom 4. Nihil vel 〈…〉 gratia adjungerâ—n â—s debemus mandato Nihil vel quoâ— bonum videtur addâ—ndum Addendo de proprio semipl â—um Dei intellexit esse mandatum Docetnos 〈◊〉 praesentis series lection is nequ detraâ—â—re aliquid debere diviris mand â—is neque addere For so it is ordinarily defined A worke commanded done in faith and then it must needs extend it self as far as the Commandement And if to obey God in conscience of his Commandement in all actions Civill and Sacred of Pietie Justice or Mercie be to Worship him then to beleeve whatsoever the Lord hath taught relying upon the truth and credit of the Revealer is worship also And hence it is that the Worship of God is usually divided into Immediate and Mediate Worship which comprehendeth all duties which we owe to God or Man Now if the way or manner of Worship be taken in this acceptation then the sense of the Proposition must be this That no action great or small done to God or man religious or sociall is lawfull unlesse it be prescribed of God And let us consider the passages of Scripture alledged by your selfe and others whether if rightly quoted they doe not affirme as much Whatsoever I command you that shall yee observe to doe Thou shalt not adde thereto neither shalt thou take ought from it To what might they not adde From what might they not diminish Is it not from the whole Law of God which teacheth the whole duty of Man both towards God and towards Man for the Lords sake Hereby the Lord establisheth his Word and his only and his whole word to be the intire rule of Faith and manners Hereby God appointeth his owne Word and Law to be the only rule of his Service without imitating the customes of others or devising any thing of their owne saith Master Ainsworth But if by the Service of God he understand the positive Worship of God only or the immediate only he straitneth the meaning of the Text overmuch Annot in Deut. 12.32 Procopius in loc verba enim Domini cum plena perfecta existant auctarium nullum admittunt Chrysost in 1. ca. 2. Epist ad Tim. hom 2. Siâ—quidem sidci dogma pervertat etiamsi angelus sit obedire noli Annot. in Lev. 18.4 Tert. de praescript advers haeret It is not lawfull for us to devise any thing of our selves nor follow that which others have devised See Cham. pansâ— tom 1. l. 8. c. 6. Rainold apol thes sect 2. p. 205 206 207. Hen Ainsw part 3. p. 150. He inferreth that generall admonition touching all the wayes of God and not the Ten Commandements only Doway annot in Deut. 4.2 12.32 Henry Ainsw 2. Answ p. 55. Prov. 30.6 Loe here all additions and not only things contrary are forbidden Ex. 23.13 Chrysoft oper imperfect hom 20. in 7. cap. Matth. Every Teacher is a servant of the Law because he may neither adde of his owne sense unto the Law nor according to his owne conceit taking any thing from the Law but preach that only which is found in the Law Qu. Co. p. 67. For it speaketh plainly of the whole Law and is fitly alledged to prove the perfection of the Scripture in all matters necessary to salvation and not
gods of the people are vanitie or vaine The covetous person is an Idolater and his goods are Idols must therefore these goods bee destroyed and the persons be abhorred Nay the outward Ordinances of God themselves Circumcision Baptisme the Lords Supper may be called Idols things of no value that presit not as separated from the inward grace or thing signified And if wee shall annex your Assumption and now then in the words of the Prophet What have we any more to do with Idols What agreement hath the Temple of God with Idols Will you grant the conclusion or condemne the inference as unlearned foolish perverse not free from grosse abuse of Scripture 3 Our Church and Ministery is not free from spots and staines Iob 3.24 Rom. 2.28 Ier. 9.25.26 Sardis vera Ecclesia est etsi vocem Christi plenè non audiat etsi illius obedientia plena non sit etsi in plenum ficut oportuit ab Ethniasmo non fuerit reformata Apo 3.2 Park de polit Eccl. lib. 1. ca. 13. §. 1. Brightâ— in Apoc 3.2 Ambr. in Luc. lib 6. cap. 9. Tom. 5. Fides igitur in primis Ecclesiae quaerenda mandetur in qua si Christus habita or sit haud dubie legenda Si qua est ecclesia quae fidem respuat defe endaest Ibid Petra tua Châ—istus est fundamentum Ecclesiae fides est St non in petra fueris in Ecclesia cris petrà est Christus Hieron in Symbol tom 4. Ita est Ecclesia sancta quae fidem Christi integramservat Stapleton relect cont â— qu. 4. art 5. Fides verae Ecclesiâ— vita est Bilson Christian subject part 2. p. 365. Where faith faileth the Church faileth and hee that affirmes your doctrine to bee false denies your assemblies and multitudes to be the Church wee freely confesse to the praise of Gods glorious grace and heartily beseech his Highnesse to supply what is wanting to amend what is out of order and to remove what is superfluous But not withstanding any defects or corruptions that can be charged upon us the Church and Ministery is true and sound enjoying whatsoever is essentially necessarie to the life and soule of a true Church and Ministery given by Christ and such as the Kings of the earth are bound by Gods law to protect and maintaine For our Church is built upon Jesus Christ the sole foundation of his Church We acknowledge Christ our only King Priest and Prophet God hath given unto us the Tables of his Covenant and we have received themâ— and his free and gracious Covenant is confirmed by the true and effectuall seales which he hath annexed unto his promise and committed unto his Church as their prerogative Christs Name is truly and only called upon in our Assemblies his Gospell is intirely Preached and savingly received by his people and hee is present with his Ordinances to blesse them to the worthy partakers If any stubble bee laid upon the foundation in respect of the Church or societie it is done ignorantly for ought wee can judge and with a minde teachable and ready to give place when light doth evince it at least it is not in points fundamentall that is such as are so maine that without them there is no salvation or of so cleare consequence from them that who so is truly perswaded of the one cannot but see the other The passages of Scripture annexed are grosly abused and so are the Authors alledged for they speak of reall Idolatry and Idols from which we must fly but cannot so much as colourably be applyed to separation from the worship of God in our congregations because of some abuses which are not reformed But you goe forward and we must follow you CAN. Stay Sec. 3. pag. 18. If it was Israels great sin to carry the oblations under the law to a place howbeit sometimes lawfull and where their godly Ancestors had before truly worshipped because they had no commandement so to doe then certainly more in fault are those which with the worship of the Gospell goe where it was never lawfull publikely to serve God and where their forefathers never to this day rightly served him ANSWER Here youtâ—g what we shall never grant If a mortall enemy may both accuse and judge and proceed upon no better ground than suspition you may quickly condemne any man of heresie Bilson Chri. part 3. pag. 203. nor you be able to prove to wit that our Church is an Idoll Church our Ministery an Idoll Ministery and that our forefathers never rightly served God in our Assemblies which is an easie kind of disputing if you get a reader as credulous and willing to bee mislead as you are peremptorie in passing sentence But if we should believe you herein wee should bely the mercy of God and condemn the generation of his Saints As for the high places of which wee read often in Scripture it was lawfull for the Fathers of old to offer Sacrifices upon them when it was not precisely commanded but only the place for sacrifice undetermined But after that God had chosen deteâ—mined and appropriated a peculiar place for sacrifice where it was to be offered and not else where Alsted praecog lib. 2. pag. 369. Tert de dololat It is no hurt that the same God by his lavv forbad a similitude to be made and by an extraordinary precept coÌ„manded the similitude of the brazen serpent to bee made which may be applyed to this purpose with a little variation Deut. 12.13 14.23 1 Chr. 17.6 2 Chron. 6.6 Psal 78.68 Rivet in Hos 4.13 Colendo verum Deum in collibus est in exceâ—sis contra Dei legem et rium praeseripium Zanch. in Hos 4.13 Laudabile exercitua illud â—sraelitis videbatur tamen est scortari Quare quia sacrilegium eâ— discedere a verbe Domini Verbuma Domini jusserat ut taxtum Harosolymis ritibuâ— a Den irstitutis sinc saâ—â—â— Deum colerenâ— See lun Annot. in 1. Reg. 33. 2 Reg. 22.4 1 King 15.12 14. King 22.43 2 King 12. 〈◊〉 King 25.4 2 King 15.35 Bilson Christ subject part 4. pag. 340. Gods act 〈…〉 no warrant for you to breake his savv By his law hee restraineth you not humselfe from the making of any such similitudes 2 Kings 4.15.19 then it was a great sinne for them without extraordinary dispen ation or commandement to offer in those places where their godly Ancestors had truly worshiped before not because they had no commandement so to do for that may be said of their Ancestors they had no commandement to offer there but because it was expresly forbidden And here you may see how the first part of the sentence doth crosse the later For if godly Ancestors did truly worship God in the high places when they were not commanded then the Israelites did not finne grievously in carrying their oblations thither because it was not commanded What moved you so to write and to alledge Authors as if they affirmed the
one being knowne the nature of the other may be knowne whether it be or be not whether it may bee or may not bee Wee know likewise that not only good is opposed to evill but evill to evill as covetousnesse to prodigality and this the Philosopher himselfe confesseth So that these propositions must be rightly limited or they are both false Par. in Rom. 10.15 Legitima Vo atio ecclesiae est quae in quavis Ecclesia publica authoritate or dinis causa ad aedisicationeÌ„ instituta Neque umformis est omnium ubique quead circumst intias exterâ—â—s sed libertati Ecclesiae relacta These Philosophicall Rules are impertinently alledged by you for the externall order or government and intire profession of faith are not opposite they may be separated in part and they may and ought to be joyned together The faith and doctrine strictly taken may be intire when the externall order is pure and holy and the order may be maimed and defective when the doctrine is found in points fundamentall And the doctrine may bee very corrupt and rotten when the externall order is observed according to the rule and therefore a Church may be true in doctrin and profession of faith strictly taken when for matters of order it labours under great defects though in respect of outward order and government it cannot be the true Church when it destroyeth the foundation of the faith For if the faith bee taught intirely Rivet in Hosea 4.6 Etsi ad ordinatienem externam nihil ijs deesset se pro sacerdotibus gererent tameÌ„ illos reijeit Dominus Sic Pontificiorum sacerdotes adhuc retinenâ— aliquam ministerij formam externam c. CAN. Stay Sect. 11 page 115. and the Sacraments rightly administred it cannot be but the ministerie in that Church must bee true for substance what other defects soever it labour under But if the foundation of faith be overthrowne or the ministery whereunto men be set apart be strange and meerely devised there can be no true calling or ministery but false and impure If this distinction of a true Church and Ministery for substance of Doctrine in points fundamentall and externall calling and government be denyed absolutely I shall desire you to unty a Knot or two which your selfe have knit The Scribes and Pharisees were blind guids corrupt Teachers false Prophets in respect of their doctrine covetous ambitious and otherwise prophane in respect of their conversation upon what grounds then were they to bee heard because they were called and ordained of God CAN. Stay Sect. 3 page 60. Ier. 2.11 13. 3.8 9 10 11. Ezek. 16.47 48 49 Mat. 11.21 22 2 Chro. 11.13 14. 1 Reg. 12. Hosea 4.6 9. 5.1 â— Reg. 19.10 18 2 Reg. 17.28 Par. in Rom. 11.2 3 4 Dub. 3. Samaria etiam erat de Iudaeorum sâ—nagoga l. cet corruptissimâ— Apostatica Siquidem Jfraelitae ctiam crant de popu o praecogniâ—o alioqui Elias Elizaeus al iâ— prâ—phetae ibi non docuissent that they should preach the Law o God in the Synagogues to the people and exhort them to the observation thereof Is not here the distinction of true and false Teachers in diverse respects Rebellious Indah justified her sister Samaria in some respects and in some other continued the true Church of God From the time that the tenne Tribes departed from the Lord his Temple Paiests Altar c. it was unlawfull to hold communion with them because they committed Iâ—olatry and willfully left the place which the Lord appropriated for his service and sacrifice but still they retained something of a Church and were not to be esteemed altogether as heathens as the very places quoted doe tâ—stifie That the Israelites when they worshipped at Dan and Betheâ— when they committed reall Idolatry with the Calves played the Harlot upon every high hill and under every green Tree forsooke wilfully the place which God had appointed for sacrifice and offered sacrifices in places forbidden rejected the Lords Priests and made of the basest of the people-Priests for that service which the Lord abhorred that they were not more corrupt in Doctrine and worship than the Church of England by the confession of Non conformists is an assertion beyond all credit I may fitly put you in mind what Origen saith of Celsus his workes CAN. Stay Sect. 5 page 39. which you apply to your adversary There is no danger least any faithfull man should bee subverted by your sayings for you talke but reason not yea in your talke you keep no compasse but all men may feele how grossely you mistake Master Ainsworths Arrow against Idolatry I have not seene nor know not how to come by it But if you will bring forth his or your owne darts in this kinde they shall bee tryed and examined by the Word of God You are not afraid not ashamed to write that the Non-conformists affirme the worship of our English Assemblies to be as false and idolatrous as the worship of the Israelites at Dan and Bethel But for proofe you bring the bare testimony of one alone and him no English Non-conformist And if his testimony had been truly alledged can you with truth and honesty charge that upon all which you know is disclaimed by many spoken only by one and he no member of the English societies But that one shamefully abused likewise for when he saith the Idolatry of these times doth equall if not exceed that of Ieroboam he intends the Idolatry of the Romish Synagogues but accuseth not the English Congregations as if they stood guilty of that sin or the like degree For he acknowledgeth the Church of England to be a glorious reformed Church though in some things not throughly reformed as she ought Course of confor page 142. Wherefore saith he for conforming to a glorious Church but in that wherein shee was never raformed And what wonder if all the reformed Churches crept not forth of the Romish deluge equally accomplished Course of confor page 183 What greater wonder than that any should be found free of the smell of that Wine of Fornication whereof they all for so many yeeres were drunke Your pen runneth over almost every where with pernitious I dolatry Aug. Ep. 48. Quis non impudentissine nitatur alie uid in allegoria positum prose interpretari nisi haheat manifesta testimonia quâ—â— lumne 〈…〉 obscura blasphemy and such like out-cries and for colour of what you say pretend the names of men who indeed and truth from their hearts detest your rashnesse and inconsideratnes Whereas if you would be perswaded to talke lesse and reason more and give milder words and bring stronger arguments and deale sincerely in the testimonies which you use you should ease your reader and spare your Conscience SECTION 5. Can. Stay Sect. 5. Pag 37.38 THe Word preached by false Ministers is not that word unto which God hath promised a blessing of encrease Or it is not
If the Church of Rome were not a Church in some respects but a meere Idoll the Pope could not be that Antichrist a principall rebell a notorious traitor against Christ If we speak absolutely or compare Rome with Churches truly Christian it is no true Church but the Synagogue of Satan But if we speake of it in opposition to the Jewes of Turkes or other professed Infidels it hath so much of a visible Church as a man cannot say it is no Church at all so much true doctrine is in it as sufficeth to support the title of Antichrist and some ordinances are so administred as that it cannot be said they are meer nullities In the true Church many wicked ones are found that are no lesse prophane sacrilegious enemies to peace the vassals of Satan possessed by the Divell dead in sin and accursed of God than heretiks or schismatiks who yet for that they have that order office or degree of ministerie which is holy doe no lesse nor with lesse effect administer the holy sacraments than those who are the samplars of all pietie and vertue The faithfull and holy Ministers administer and receive the Sacraments with good profit and benefit to themselves and others The hypocriticall with benefit to others not to themselves The prophane being not put from their places doe officiate with hurt to themselves scandall to others but to the everlasting comfort of them that partake worthily The hereticall and idolatrous administer the Sacraments that are holy and in their owne nature the meanes pledges and assurances of salvation but without benefit to themselves and others that continue in sin Thus the Prophets Apostles Martyrs and faithfull have held communion in the Ordinances of grace with such whose calling and conversation was not approved of God You say the Martyrs first and last would not receive this distinction lest to save their lives they should lose their soules and you reckon up many who as you write would rather give their bodies to the fire than heare or receive the Sacrament in false Churches or Societies But in this you lavish as in every thing else and hide the truth under the ambiguitie of the phrase The Martyrs laid downe their lives rather than they would defile themselves with idolatry bee present at the Masse or joyne themselves as members of that Antichristian Synagogue in all which they did as becommeth the faithfull servants of Jesus Christ But you cannot produce one Martyr of your opinion who denyed that any thing of God was to be found in those Assemblies or that refused to joyne in the pure ordinances of God with Societies separated from spirituall Babylon because of some defect or may me in their Church constitution In the whole Catalogue of Martyrs try if you can bring forth one who in these things was of your minde And what a vaine thing is it to pretend the example of all the Martyrs when there is not one among them that doth approve your cause If the example of the Martyrs be of any weight with you as here you beare the Reader in hand CAN Neces of separation p. 190 191 192. of necessitie you must condemne your rash and presumptuous censuring your unadvised sinfull separation from the worship and ministerie in our Church as Antichristian and Idolatrous For certaine it is the Martyrs stood members of our Societies and dyed in the defence of that doctrine and worship which we professe and practise Many words you spend in answer to this reason and reproaches you cast upon your adversarie but one word is not to be found that makes directly to take away the force of the Argument It was the answer of Frederick Duke of Saxonie who being prisoner to Charles the fifth and promised releasement if hee would goe to the Masse Summum in terris Dominum agnosco Caesarem in coclis Christum The like did the Prince of Condee but neither of them did refuse to joyne with the reformed Churches because they deemed their Church constitution defective or erroneous in this or that particular To pretend the consent of popish and protestant Divines in this matter is egregious ignorance or impudency for it is well knowne they are all generally of another minde Your instance from a City or Towne Similitudes bee no syllogismes Earthly similitudes of your making may not controll the heavenly precepts of Gods owne giving Bilson Christ part 4. pag. 322. Have you no surer ground of your catholike doctrine for adoring Images than a single similitude taken from the civill and externall reverence that is yeelded to Princes seates and seales Id p. 329. if the Civill power be usurped is not to the purpose nor true in all respects Not to the purpose because what is of God in these Societies is not done by power meerely usurped but by power and vertue from God though in the ministration that which is evill be not approved of God for wheresoever any supernaturall truth of Christian Religion is taught and any ordinances of grace dispensed truly for substance there is some truth of ministery though many wayes polluted And where the intire faith is professed and received and the ordinances of grace administred truly there is a true ministery for substance ordained of God what other defects or maimes soever it may labour under Not true because in the Civill estate That which is done by power usurped and unlawfull in some cases is a nullitie but in other some it is available and stands in force For it is a rule in the Civill law That it is one thing to be a true Magistrate another to bee in the Magistracy or to execute the Magistrates office From which distinction is gathered this generall ruled case or sentence That the acts of him that was a false or unlawfull Magistrate may be lawfull and just And the same may bee said and was ever held in the Church of God of corrupt and ungodly Ministers though they bee not true Ministers that is approved fit and rightly qualified yet so long as they be in the place of Ministers the acts of their ministery be good that is effectuall and of force if they observe the forme of administration prescribed by Christ CAN Stay Sect. 15. pag 133. The Lord hath not promised to them his blessing and acceptance what the Lord may accept or will we dispute not only this I say whosoever heareth in a false Church cannot by any promise that he hath in the word of God expect Gods blessing on that which he doth the reason is because a true constitution of a true Church that is where men are gathered according to the Gospell of Christ is that only lawfull religious societie or communion of Saints wherein God will be honoured whereby hee will bee served and whereto hee hath promised his presence and acceptance so then howsoever we are not bound unto hearing in a true Church necessitate medii as if Gods grace were tyed to the meanes this way
yet as they say in Schooles necessitate praecepti if we consider Gods commandement CAN Stay §. 3. pag. 59. so we are bound to Church hearing only in a true Church and in no other Church can we expect Gods presence promise and acceptance Such Churches unto whom God hath made no promise in his word to blesse the things there done ought not by Gods people to be resorted to but God in his word hath made no promise to blesse the things done in a false church therefore Gods people are not to goe unto false churches The proposition cannot be excepted against for 1. The Scriptures prove it clearly Jer. 23.21 22. Exodus 20 24. Psalme 134.3 and 147.13 Again there is no dutie charged upon us but there is a blessing promised unto the due performance of it The assumption is as cleare and thus wee prove it If false churches have not the promise of Gods presence they cannot from the word of God expect his blessing upon what they doe but the first is true Ergo the second The Major which is only controversall we prove thus If every false church be an Idoll Exod. 20.4 5. And God require his people to come out thence Rev. 18.4 threatned to destroy it Rev. 20.8 9. and will doe it and promise his presence unto his true church Mat. 18.20 Then he is not present in the false But the first is true therefore the second ANSWER You struggle hard as all men may perceive but set not one foot forward Our Church is an idoll therefore wee must not hold communion with it God hath promised no blessing to his ordinances therein because the Church is an Idoll This is your circle wherein you walke up and down But to helpe you out of this mire if it may be 1. Rom. 3.2 Can 1.6 Rain de idolola l. 2. c. 1. p. 2. Where you take it for granted that our Church is false and therfore Christ is not present with us we on the contrary are assured that we are a people in covenant with Christ to whom hee hath committed his heavenly oracles and seales of the covenant amongst whom he feedeth his flock in greene pastures and causeth them to lye downe by the still waters with whom he is present when they meet together Mat. 18.20 Exod. â—0 24 Psal 134.3 Ioh. 10.4.5 He hath set up his tabernacle amongst us and dwelleth with us and watcheth over us and worketh by his Ministers not only to call men unto salvation but to nourish and build them forward unto life everlasting We are separated from Idols wee heare the voice of the true shepheard and follow not strangers but fly from them we believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation and worship him sincerely according to his will He standeth at the doore knocking and to such as open unto him hee commeth unto them and they sup with him and he with them And therefore Christ is our Shepheard our King our Saviour and of his rich grace and love doth embrace us as his people and the flock of his pasture beareth our prayers and accepteth our service This is our glory that Christ is ours and we are his and it were better for us to dye than that our glorying herein should be made void Secondly seeing this tearme False Church is so familiar with you we will consider what it meaneth and how farre it doth stand true that God hath made no promise to blesse things done in a false Church These words True and false Church are used oft to signifie as much as pure and corrupt found and languishing Church And as there is scarce a Church so pure which hath not some impuritie nor so true which hath not some falshood admixed so there is no Church so false or impure which hath not somewhat of God or some supernaturall Christian truth within it For if no supernaturall Christian truth bee received or professed there is no Church Infidels being cleane without the Church deny and utterly reject the principles of Christianitie Heretikes or false Christians in respect of generall truths which they openly professe are Christians or of the Church but in respect of their particular errours condemned of all men that be of sound beliefe A Church is not to be esteemed false for some corruptions nor impure for some disorders no more than we account him a sickly man who now and then findes some wearinesse or distemper Neither is a Church to be accounted true because of some truths which they professe Act. 2.41 42 46 worship which they practise or use of the Sacraments which they retaine The notes of a pure Church are intire profession of the Gospell and saving truth of God the right use of the Sacraments holinesse of conversation the sound preaching of the word of life fervent and pure calling upon Gods name subjection to their spirituall guides whereby they may bee directed and built forward in the wayes of life mutuall communion in the ordinances of worship Eph. 4.11 12. and Christian fellowship with all Saints and true visible Churches of Jesus Christ Those Churches to which all these notes agree truelie are to bee esteemed pure in their measure but those to whom all doe not agree or not so truely they are to be esteemed lesse pure or true and that in comparison more or lesse according as more or fewer of these notes common speciall or proper shall be found more or lesse pure amongst them Where all these notes are to be found purely the Church is excellent for degree pure and famous where any of these is wanting or impure the Church is so much defective or impure though it may be pure in comparison of others The profession of the true faith Acts 14.22.23 27 and the framing of our life and conversation according to the direction of the word with the right administration of the Sacraments and comely order Ier. 4.22 Mat. 13.14 15. Isa 30.9 10 11. 5.7 8 9 c. are signes of a Church in a good state and condition But it may fall out that the profession of faith alone by publike preaching and hearing of the word administration of the Sacraments prayers and thanksgiving doth take place when good order is neglected and if life degenerate from the profession for in this case she ceaseth not to be the true CHVRCH of Christ so long as it pleaseth him not to give her a Bill of divorce True doctrine in all points and the due and right administration of the Sacraments in all things according to the word both for substance and circumstance is the note of a pure Church and in good plight But true Doctrine in the maine grounds and Articles of faith though mixt with defects and errours in other matters not concerning the life and soule of Religion and the right administration of the Sacraments for substance though in the manner of dispensation some things be not so well ordered as they might and ought
are notes and markes of a true and sound Church though somewhat crased in health and soundnesse by errors in doctrine corruptions in the worship of God and evils in life and manners A false Church is that which holds neither the truth of faith intirely nor the integrity of divine worship nor comely order which God hath appointed for the government of his house nor holinesse of conversation But addeth to the Articles of faith to that which is worshipped and to the substantiall means wherby God is worshipped and to the holy Commandements which God hath given for the direction of his people or detracteth and perverteth the right sense of faith not considering that which is worshipped as is meete mangling the Ordinances of God and transforming the lawfull manner of worship into another forme and inverteth the holy Commandement by corrupt glosses and sinister interpretations which destroyeth the life and power of godlinesse One false Church may bee more corrupt and rotten than another as being more deepely tainted in matters of higher importance and more generally than another as some may bee corrupt in matters of faith others in doctrine and worship both Ier. 2.11 13. 2 Reg. 16.3 1 Reg. 18.21 Ezek. 16.20 and some in all the particulars mentioned Thus Israel worshipped God and the Calves yea the Lord and Baal And as one false Church may be more corrupt than another Hen. Ains 2. part page 62. Did not the Priests rulers and people condemne the Prophets of God sent in all ages and vvas not Ierusalem the holy City seate of the Priest-hood guilty of their bloud Luke 13.33 34. vvas not vile and grosse Idolatry practised often in Judah and Jerusalem by the Priests and Princes Ezek. 23.11 Did not Iuda forsake the Lord and turne their faces from his Tabernacle shut the doores of his house quench his Lamps and neither burn Incense nor offer burnt offering in the Sanctuary unto the God of Jsrael 2 Chro. 29.6 7. Vriah the Priest made an Altar Idolatrous like that in Damascus and polluted Gods Worship in the Temple 2 Reg. 16.10 11 12 16. Pashur the sonne of Immer the Priest being Governour in the House of the Lord persecuted Ieremie for preaching the truth Jer. 20.1 2. and himselfe prophesied lyes ve 6. See Ier. 32.31 32 33 34 35 36. Mic. 3.11 Mal. 2.8 9. or at one time than another so one false Church may have more of God in it than another and at another time For the lesse grievous the errors are which the false Church holdeth or the lesse abominable the idolatry which it maintaineth the more divine truth it embraceth the more effectuall is that worship of God which it retaineth The true Church of God which is comparatively pure may be called false though improperly in respect of that corruption in doctrine and manners errours schismes divisions superstition or prophanenes which through humane frailty and negligence cleaveth unto it And a false Church may comparatively be called a Church true or pure in respect of them that be more grossely defiled as it hath more truth and purity in it Also the true Churches of God have sometimes bin distinct visible societies from the false Churches and by many degrees in themselves more pure from tincture and infection than at other times and some others have beene As in the dayes of Abiah Iudah was by many degrees more free from pollution than afterwards In Pauls time the integrity of Rome was famous Corinth many wayes reproved They of Galatia much more out of square But the true and Orthodox Church hath sometimes beene so mixed with others in outward society that it hath beene hard to find in the whole world a distinct Congregation of sound and intire professors of all supernaturall truths who joyned in the use of Gods Holy Ordinances but the members of the true visible Church were dispersed and scattered and mingled with false Christians or false worshippers in society and the true Church lay hid in the false Now to apply these things 1. If by a false Church you understand a Church erring in points of faith exceeding dangerous and corrupting the pure worship of God with reall Idolatry with whom the faithfull may not lawfully hold Communion yet then that which they have of God amongst them though not rightly administred is effectuall by the blessing of GOD according to promise As Baptisme administred by the Heretikes holding the forme of Baptisme and of Popish Priests is true Baptisme and not to be reiterated For one and the same society may in one sense have somewhat of the true Church and in another bee the Synagogue of Satan and their Ministers exercise the Ministery and service of Christ when they themselves bee the bond-slaves of Satan It is true God threatens to destroy such societies and is highly displeased with the service that is done there as such because it is not done as it ought but as he is pleased to continue his Ordinance so he is pleased to give it force and validity according to his institution And it is not strange that God should bee displeased with a thing not done according to his institution when the institution it selfe hee doth approve and blesse to some according to his free covenant 2. If by a false Church you understand a Church maimed and corrupt with errors in doctrin and manners neglect of discipline disorders in Ministers and people then as occasion may bee offered Christ hath bound the faithfull to bee present at his ordinances in such Assemblies and promised to blesse them that draw nigh unto him therein In the Church of Corinth there were Divisions Sects Emulations 1 Cor. 3.3 1 Cor. 6.1 2. 2 Cor. 10.10 1 Cor. 15.12 1 Cor. 5.1 1 Cor. 11.19 20. contentions and quarrels going to Law one with another for every trifle and that under Infidels Pauls name and credit was despitefully called into question there the resurrection of the dead was denyed by some that wickednesse was there wincked at which was not heard of among the heathen the Lords Supper was horribly profaned things indifferent used with offence 2 Cor. 12.20 21. Ambr. in 1 Cor. 11 They stood striving for their oblations Hier. in 1 Cor. 11. In Ecclesia convenientes oblationes suas separatius offerebant Apoc. 2.4 5 6. Apoc. 3.20 21. Fornication not repented of and idolatry practised in eating meats sacrificed to Idols in the Idoll Temple And all this notwithstanding the assemblies were kept the faithfull frequented the Ordinances and God did blesse them according to promise Ephesus was extreamly decayed in her first love and though threatned to have her candlesticke removed unlesse she repent Christ doth never lay his charge upon the faithful to depart from his Ordinances Of Laodicea it is said that she was neither hot nor cold and then we may easily conceive she was overgrown with corruptions the proper fruits of negligence security selfe conceitednesse c. For which unlesse she
in l. 9. cp 9. Aug. epi. 118 119 See Caranz sum Concil fol. 43. Iustin Martyr Tortullian Clomens Romanus Eactantius and others vvere of opinion that no particular judgement passed upon the Saints untill the laft day Sixt. Sen. Biblioth l. 6. an 345. The Pastors of this age spake more unwarily of justification and grace than was meet prayer for the dead was ordinarie the foundation of prayer unto Saints was laid and defended by the teachers themselves with overgreat zeale in the superstitious vigils and frequenting the Sepulchers of Martyrs The former prophanation of the Sacraments by superstitious rites much increased some whereof are abolished by the papists themselves Libertie is taken from the Ministers the Bishops contend among themselves with ambition hatred affecting high titles and precedencie more than the good of Gods Church the pleasure of peace and securitie tooke away all care of godlinesse Now they seeke the reliques of Saints goe on pilgrimage to Ierusalem consecrate Temples to Martyrs esteeme it more religion to build certaine places and to pray in them than in others and to live by prescriptions and will-worship of Monkes c. than to walke according to the rule of Gods Word Now they give themselves to corrupt religion with idle and impure rites Images that were not mentioned in the first and second ages of the Church in the fourth fifth and sixt age were brought into the Church in some parts painted upon the walles retained for Historicall and Rhetoricall use to informe the understanding and stirre up devotion and of some began to be worshiped which Gregory himselfe disliked Monkes kept the communion at home and wanting a priest communicate themselves No publike assemblies could be found in which the ordinances of God did flourish intirely Augustine complained of the multitude of rites and ceremonies which were in his time wherewith the Church was grievously burdened but in the ages following was much more intolerable Of the particular slips and errours of the ancients it is needlesse to say more Here I would demand was this Church all this while thus corrupted the true church of Christ or a fals was the true worship of God performed in these assemblies the true worship or was it pernicious Idolatry If a true Church then a societie T. C. repl 1. pag. 73 wherein corruption of Doctrine and of the Sacraments hurtfull Ceremonies dominion and pomp of the clergie new orders and functions of the Ministerie is to be found may be the true Church of God And what then can you object against the Church of England to prove it a false Church If a false Church Fulk ansvver to the Rhem. in Eph 4.13 all the true Bishops of the primitive Church for six hundred yeares and more after Christ in all necessary points of doctrine agree vvith us and therefore vvere ancestors of our Church In the later times also for every age vvee can name divers pastours and teachers even in the most darke times c. Calfeh against Mar. preface to the reader Greg. epist. l. 7 indict 2 c. 109. Concil Nicen. a but that Councel vvas not generally received Sigth in an 755. Reger Howden continuat Beda anno 792. Feild of the chuteh l. 3 cap. 8. See Calfehil against Mart. art 3. p. 58 69 c. Bilson Christian subject part 4 page 316 317. This vvas about the yeare of our Lord 1160. See Vsser de suceess Eccles History of the Waldenses Daltha Lydia hist Chaloner credo Eccles part 2 sect 2. then either the faithfull were bound to avoide all societie and fellowship with it in the ordinances which a sober minded man will not affirme or all communicating with a false Church in the ordinances of God is not pernicious idolatry The faithfull which lay hid in this corrupted state of the Church and did partake in the ordinances of worship were never held and reputed Idolaters In the ages following the mystery of iniquitie did grow amaine for the worship of Images first began and after was concluded the Pope obtained to bee called head of the universall Church Saints were invocated as Mediators the Communion was mangled and delivered in one kind the merit and dignitie of workes advanced to the prejudice of Gods grace the doctrine of reall presence and orall eating of Christs flesh in the Sacramant by good and bad and the adoration of the Eucharist was taught and received These grosse corruptions prevailed for a time in the Church before they were concluded upon in Synods or Councels opposed by some condemned by others and manfully withstood especially the worshipping of Images During which time the faithfull who condemned these abominations did lie hid in the Church keeping themselves undefiled from these errours but separated not themselves from the ordinances of grace nor gathered themselves into a distinct body After these abominations were concluded the first that separated themselves were the Waldenses Albigenses or poore men of Lyons who withdrew themselves from the societie of the Romane Synagogue and worshiped God in distinct companies according to his will These are reported to be men of sound life and god linesse by the testimonie of very enemies themselves notwithstanding they were most shamefully traduced and grievously persecuted for Christs sake But after this separation made by them If sheepe in a pasture vvhere venemous hearbs are mixed with vvholsome can by the instinct of nature make choise of that vvhich is proper for them and abstaine from the contrary vvhat marvaile is it if the flocke of Christ vvho know the voice of the true Shepheard from the voice of strangers should by the guidance of Gods assisting spirit doe the same Chaloncredo Cameron dc Eccles ca. de schism See Field of the church l. 3 〈◊〉 6 8. Carleton descript ca. 1 p. 8. divers other godly men did patiently endure the tyranny of Antichrist and groaned under that heavie yoake bewailing the misery and reproving the sinnes of the time sought to reclaime others and labour to keepe their owne selves free but did not actually separate from the societie And this as the learned judge was done if not by Gods commandement at least by gracious indulgence Vntill the time of the Trent Councell saith one the Church although oppugned with errours and deceits of divers kinds oppressed with tyranny did not patiently endure the tyranny of the Pope and the impudency of the Fraterculi And though oftentimes before they had thought of separation yet they could never effect it untill that was fulfilled which the Scripture had foretold It is here to be further noted that neither the Waldenses who first separated nor the reformed Churches which in after times cast off the yoke of Antichrist and abolished his Idolatry did make such a pure and perfect reformation in all things as was to be desired And therefore if they be measured by your meat-wand they must all lye under the censure of false and idolatrous Churches who worship God with a false
to say out of the Nonconformists against our Ministery in respect of their orders and degrees SECTION 6. CAN. Necess of Separation Pag. 37. IF the calling and office of their bishops be as the Nonconformists say it is of the earth false divellish Antichristian c. than it followes that the calling and office of the whole Ministery must necessarily be of the same nature qualities and condition to wit of the earth false divellish and Antichristian c. which is wholly derived from it which receives J say and takes it life and being of it only and no where else For if their Bishops have not a right power in themselves then can they not transferre it to another As the law saith Nemo potest plus juris transferre in ahum Regul juris 79. quam sibi competere dignoscatur No man can give more to another than he hath himselfe If Corah Dathan and Abitam when they usurped the priesthood and government of the Church should by that false power which they assumed have ordained some of the people unto the Priests office no doubt all the Israelites which feared God would have judged their place and standing unlawfull because they which made them had no commission from God so to doe The case of their Ministery is just so ANSWER IF some things of men bee mixed with that which is of God as the holy Sacraments with humane rites and humane pompe and glory with the Ministery that is from above a prudent Christian must separate one from another and not cast away what is of God as a nullitie fruitlesse unprofitable defiled because somewhat humane is annexed to them Accidentall defects or superfluities in or about the Ministery doe not destroy the nature and substance of the Ministery In the office and calling of Bishops two things are to be considered 1 The substance of their office and Ministery whereunto they are separated to wit to preach the Gospell dispense the Sacraments and administer the discipline of Jesus Christ Hieron in epist ad Tit. ca. 1. ad Evag. epist 2. Bilson chr part 2. pag. 318 319. Calv. tract deneces reform eccles Calvin instit l. 4 c. 4. sect 1.2 4 15. Zanch. in 4. praeteptum toâ— 732 733. Forb Irenic l. 2 prop 7 8 9 10. and this is of God 2 The superioritie they take or challenge over their brethren which makes not a difference or nullitie in the substance of their ministery and this is of men All Ministers of the Gospell are stewards of Jesus Christ set apart to doe his worke wherein if any one shall challenge more than of right appertaineth unto him or doe ought out of pride partialitie sinister affection tyrannie or sedition or receiveth such authoritie to himselfe alone as belongeth not to his place and office or is common to many in that he is blameworthy but thereupon his Ministery or ministeriall acts done by him are not made voide and of none effect Thus the Church of England The institution of a Christian man c. of the Sacram. of Orders Ievvel apol def par 2. c. 3. div 1 5 c. 9. div 1. in 1 Tim. 3. in 1 Tim. hom 11 Qu. ex utroque Testamento ca. 100. at least the prime maintainers of Religion against the Papists have taught That there is little or no difference betwixt a Bishop and a Presbyter to which purpose Iewell cites many passages out of the Ancient Fathers as of Ambrose there is one Ordination of a Bishop and a Presbyter Chrys betwixt a Bishop and a Presbyter there is almost no difference Aug. what is a Bishop but the first or chiefe Presbyter And both Conformists and Non-conforâ—â—ists agree in this that ministers rightly qualified with gifts and preaching the doctrine of salvation purely bee the Ministers of Iesus Christ whether ordayned by Bishops or the Eldership Forb Iren. l. 2. c. 11 prop. Carleton de Eccl. c. 11. p 283.284 D. Field of the Church lib. 3. c. 39 T. C. repl 1. p. 82. There being great resemblance between the Popedome and Archbishop I meane having regard to the bare functions without respecting the Doctrine good or bad which they uphold there is yet great difference betweene the persons which execute them P. Lombard l. 4. sen dist 24. Capreol in 4. sent dist 2. qu. 1. Episcopatus non est alius distinctus ordo a sacerdotio Bonavent in 4 sent dist 24. art 2. qu. 3. Th. Aqui. 3. suppl qu. 40. art 5. They that hold Bishops by Divine right greater than Presbyters and that the power of Ordination belongeth unto them doe yet acknowledge Ordination given by the Eldership to be true by the judgement of the Catholike Church And they that maintaine the equalitie of Bishops and Presbyters by the Word of God deny not those Ministers to be of God who teach sound doctrine and feed the flocke of God committed to their charge though they received Ordination from Bishops The learned among the Papists themselves freely confesse that that wherein a Bishop excelleth a Presbyter is not a distinct and higher order or power of order but a kind of dignity or office and employment only Episcopacy is not another order distinct from the Priest-hood saith Capreolus No Prelate hath more concerning Sacramentall power or of order than simple Priests So Armachanus As concerning Sacerdotall order Armach l. 11. Dom. a Soto l. 10. de just jure q. 1. art 2. de 4. dist 24 q. 2 art 3 Darand in 4 sent dist 24 qu 5. Staple relect contr 2 qu. 3 art 3. Bellar. de Cler. l. 1. c 11 s 14. cusan concord l. 2. c. 13. and things that pertaine to order they are equall Thus Bellarmine himselfe Although a Bishop and Presbyter are distinguished yet as concerning Sacrifice they exercise the same ministery and therefore they make one order and not two Cusanus goeth further All Bishops and haply also Presbyters are of equall power in respect of jurisdiction although not of execution which executive exercise is shut up and restrayned by certaine positive Lawes And Iohannes de Parisijs de potost Regal Papal ca. 10. Some say a Presbyter hath the same power in his Parish that a Bishop hath in his Diocesse From which their confession it will evidently follow that Ministers ordained by Presbyters to whom the care and government of the Church belongeth are true Ministers In Alexandria and all Aegypt the Presbyters gave Ordination vvhen a Bishop vvas not present as Augustine Ambrose both confesse Ambr ad Eph. c 4 August Quest Nov vet 4 101 Concil Nicen can 4 Concil Arelatens 2. c. 5. Con Affris can 16 Bellar. de Eccl. l 4 c. 8 s Ex quo Gratian Decr dist 23 c. 8 Theodoret hist lib. 5 c. 23. Socrates hist. lib 4 c. 35 Gr. Johan Major in 4 sent dist 25 qu. 3 inter oper Gerson Paris 1606 p. 681 Greg 1 lib. 12 ep 31. indict 7. Bedal 1 c 27. Gratian. 1 par
or by them as Stewards used of God to set them in office The differences which they put betweene Baptisme and the Ministerie are to no purpose at all to the point in hand For let them disser in what they will herein they agree that in what societie soever the truth of Baptisme is to bee found therein is some truth of Ministerie to bee found though marvellous corrupt and polluted The calling of the Pope and his adherents is earthly false and divellish as they stand in relation to him But so is not the calling of every one that was set in office by them in every respect For some things might bee of men and some things were of God For they derived their authoritie from God and not from them and therefore though the qualitie of the proper calling of Priests and Jesuites bee earthly and carnall it is not necessarie the calling that others receive by them but from God should be of the same nature qualitie or condition And though that calling amongst the Papists was whole corrupt yet not whollie because that which is instituted by God Calfeh art 4 pag. 105. Chry. This is my sacrifice to preach the Gospell my svvord is the Gospell CAN Neces of Separ p. 233. is not made void by the corruptions of men The Ministery of Priests considered in the Masse if I may so speak is corrupt and rotten as they are ordained to offer sacrifices propitratorie for the quick and dead it is the ministerie of the papall apostacie and not Christs but as they are ordained to preach the Gospell and to baptize so we cannot say their ministerie is not of Christ at all or that it is a meere nullitie If you had considered this distinction advisedly you would have beene more sparing in your censure or at least given some weighty reasons of your affirmation But it is easier to blow away an argument with big words than to untie the knot in due order Azor. instit Moral l. 2. c. 19. Ames Bell. enervat tom 2. ca. 2. de vocal minist p. 80. Sadeel deâ—egâ—â— vocat Minist pag. 64. Extraordinaritie dicitur duobus modis aut enim de iis intelligetur qui ita ab ordine vero ac legitime discedunt ut ordinem ipsum violenr c. aut extraordinarium dicitur cum amore solito eoque corrupto ita receditur ut ad verum ordinem qui interruptus fuerat redeatu Quod quidem primis nestris docto thus usa venisse agnoscimus CAN Stay sect 2 p. 51. The papists themselves teach In Episcopo haeretico manere potestatem conferendi ordines quia id facit nomine institutione authoritate Christi ideoque ab haereticis Episcopis ordinatos ad Ecclesiam redeuntes non iterum ordinari Aliqui etiam tenent hariticos Episcopos potestatem quoque jurisdictionis non amittere If the Nonconformists hold any thing extraordinarie in the calling of these prime reformers and servants of God it is not absolutely but in some respect only And the same is affirmed by Conformists also Extraordinariam dicimur quorundam ordinariorum Ministrorum vocationem eo tantum sensu quo Sacerdotes pontificii quaedam ab ipsis Jesuitis dicuntur legitimo jure extraordinario And a little after Sic eo nomine tantum vocatur quia recedit in aliqua parte ab ordine jam depravato ut possit illum restaurare Compare therefore what they have written together and you shall finde nothing which might hinder their communion in the worship of God You say the Scriptures approve not of rending away from true Churches for any corruption I use the word any because so long as we acknowledge the Church to be true whatsoever her sins are a separation from all communion with it is utterly unlawfull But whatsoever the Conformists or Nonconformists have written one against another in this point of the Ministerie they never denied the nature and essence of a true church to bee found among us and therefore cannot bee thought to offend against conscience in that they hold communion together in that which is good and of God SECT 7. CAN Stay ag Sect. 3. pag. 58. THe sinfull office of the Teacher becomes his sin who practiseth will-worship with him For hereby he enwrappeth himselfe into the guilt of his office To heare such a Minicter is to honour approve and uphold his office of Ministeris To yeeld any approbation liking or reverence unto mens institutions in the exercise of religion is sin But in hearing Antichristian Ministers d. §. 4. p. 61. there is approbation liking and reverence yeelded unto mens institution in the exercise of religion Mat. 15.9 Ps 6.4 Col. 2.20 21. De. 5.9 1 Cor. 6.17 Hos 2.16 Exod. 23.13 therefore it is sinne The Major cannot be denyed for the Scriptures teach us the very thing Besides the most judicious Writers affirme it too The Minor is as cleare For first Jt is not possible that men can come to Antichristian Churches to worship God but they must by their precence there shew reverence and honour to the publike falle state and ministerie ANSWER HEre you come over with the same text of Scripture and the same arguments whereunto answer hath beene given already But I must follow you in that path wherein you are pleased to goe before mee 1 Will-worship is unlawful both in the teacher and them that communicate with him in that worship But the preaching of the word and administration of the Sacraments in our assemblies is not will-worship but the ordinance of Christ 2 To yeeld any approbation liking or reverence unto mens institutions devised and to be exercised with opinion of holinesse Babing in Lev. 10 Calv. in loc Iun. anal in loc Piscat ibid. necessitie and worship is sinne And if this be the meaning of your proposition we confesse the Scriptures teach this very thing and judicious learned Divines affirme it And what use there is of heaping up Authors to prove that which is most willingly assented unto I cannot tell The Lord hath laid downe the way and manner of his worship and hath not left it to any creature to meddle with but according to his prescription and appointment CAN Stay § 5. p. 40. The outward worship of God must be strictly done according to his commandement A good intention there hath no place workes devised by mans fancie have not only no promise of reward for doing of them but contrariwise great threatnings and maledictions of God Q. Eliz. Injunct 3. But all institutions of men in the exercise of religion such to wit as be simply matters of order or appurtenances of worship as time place method phrase of speech stinted catechismes formes of blessing and administration of the Sacraments c. bee not of that nature neither doth every thing concerning the qualification and exercise of ministerie belong to the second Commandement So that all institutions in generall are not condemned in Scripture nor
long agoe Another in the booke which you pretend to answer and in these very pages He most shamefully and lewdly as a man void of all common honestie and grace maketh the Ministers of Lincoln to affirme that the Prelates are reviled to be great Antichrists and their Ministerie and constitution to be great troublers of the Church at this day and that it cannot but be very sinfull and hurtfull to retaine or communicate with them CAN Stay §. 3. p. 59.69 Raiâ—old de ideloâ—l 2. c. 1. §. 2. Bilson Christ subj part 3. pag. 269. The Divell himselfe can shew no greater malice than to pervert that which is well spoken and to force a lewd senes of his owne or another mans words The Divell himselfe would have beene ashamed in this open manner to have told such a lie and therefore he is to be trusted no further than he is seen This you passe over in silence and if the substance of the accusation bee applyed unto your selfe I know not what apologie you can make Christ saith Rainolds as you quote him the Pastor of his Church doth tell us that he feeds not in Antichristian assemblies in the denne of theeves neither is it his will that his flock should there rest at noone But in the pleasant pasture by the still waters that is in the shadowes of the true Christian Churches detesting Idolatry But D. Rainolds words are not in caetibus papisticis speluncis idolâ—latrarum c. but in untbraculis orthodoxorumcatuum Whether this change of Antichristian Assemblies for popish Assemblies and true Christian Churches for Orthodox Assemblies CAN Stay § 3. p 22. D. 〈◊〉 by words and Letters testimoniall 2â—4 wâ— made in simplicitie be judge your selfe You might easily conjecture your credulous reader might conceit our assemblies to be Antichristian and not true Churches but popish Assemblies and not Orthodox he could not imagine them to be You alledge D. Amos saying It cannot be a true Church that wants order For by this the parts and members thereof are knit together But this is not to bee found in the place mentioned But D. Aines moving the question whether it be lawfull to stick to that Church from whom power of removing scandals and purging out the ungodly is taken away He answereth That power â—jure quoad actum primum cannot be separated from the true Church because immediately and necessarily it floweth from the essence it selfe for it is contained in that covenant whereby the faithfull are gathered into a Church The use of this power cannot be taken away without the great sin of them that take it away and the hainous injurie of them from whom it is taken Neither ought the Church to rest in this that she seeth her selfe unjustly oppressed of others For it belongeth to the office of the Church to defend that libertie where with she is endowed of Christ But yet if the faithfull contending for their libertie cannot obtaine their right in that part nor without grievous inconveniences come to a more free Church and can keepe themselves from the approbation of evill and doe also studie as much as in them lieth to supply that want they sinne not if they joyne themselves to such a Church or continue in it Thus D. Ames cleane contrary to that which you make him affirme Master Baines as you alledge him writes CAN Stay sect 2. p. 55. Bain diocesan That no people can worship God in repairing to any Church or ministery without warrant of the Word Let the Reader note it say you And if it be wisely noted it makes nothing against partaking in our assemblies in the ordinances of Grace because that is warranted approved commanded of God in his holy Word But Master Baines words are No people can worship God in repairing to this place and ministerie without warrant of his Word And he speakes of a Diocesan worship and ministerie peculiarly appropriated to that place as it was at Hierusalem which is nothing to your purpose You pretend that you have taken your principles out of the Nonconformists ever the chiefest of them which for learning CAN Neces of separ To the Read zeale judgement holinesse of life c. have ever held that cause But some things brought in their names is neither the opinion of all nor of the most nor of the best learned nor of many but either the private opinion of some one or the conceit of such indeed as were separated from the communion of the Church of England and not from the abuses only which were in the Church You cite Master Penry saying CAN stay sect 3. p. 57. M. Penry of the Ministerie of the Church of Engl. p. 37.38 CAN Neces of separ p. 16 28.43 Exhortation to the government of Wales 42 46 26 CAN Neces of separation Epist to the Reader CAN Neces of separ p. 252. It is most certaine Satan rules in the consciences of men not only by false doctrine but also by his false power and ordinances his kingdome of darknesse not only consisteth in the lies false doctrin and worship which he hath coined but also in the false and Antichristian ordinances which he hath invented for the ruling of his idolatrous denne And therefore the children and Saints of God ought to avoid both the one and the other But whatsoever his meaning bee in that or other passages cited Master Penry was not a Nonconformist but a Separatist by your owne confession and therefore his sayings are not to bee received for the Nonconformists principles Master Br. saith It is lawfull to communicate in that worship where the ceremonies are used but wee cannot believe him say you for his brethren both affirme and prove the contrary And here now is a fit place to write down the words wherof mention was made in p. 99. partly because the author is a principle Nonconformist and partly to discover the rashnesse and folly of this inconsiderate man which durst without any reason more than boldnesse still justifie the very thing which his brethren by many sound arguments have manifested to be evill and unlawfull and then you goe on to rehearse the words of the author of a dispute upon communicating at confused communions pag. 68.69 Who that Author is I know not the booke I have not seen but by the words which you relate it appeares hee was no English Nonconformist neither doth he speake of communicating in our English societies And if he did he speakes but his private opinion and not what is the judgement of Nonconformists It may be questioned whether Master Br. booke was not penned and published before hee could either see or thinke of the other But whatsoever is to be thought in that particular M. Br. knew it to bee the common practice and uniforme judgment of all Nonconformists in England both heretofore and at that present when he wrote that it is lawfull A dispute against Engl. part 1. ca. 9. sect 3.
the word and elements Bilson Christ subject part 4. p. 356. To the Papists objecting that as Magistrates Parents have part of Gods externall honour because they present his person in judging and blessing so many Images have part of his externall though not of his internall honour Answer is truly returned It is not in your hands to make allowance of Gods honour to whom you list and againe God himselfe hath made a plaine prohibition in this case that Images shall have no part of his externall honour The words are as cleare as day light Thou shalt no bow downe to them Tho Beacon Catech in his workes in fol. printed at London Ann. 1562. f. 484. Fox in Osor lib. 3. pag. 27. The Booke of Common-prayer before the Communion Cypr. Ep. 63. ad Caecisiâ—m Justin Martyr in Apol. 2 Iren. lib. 4. cap. 34 lib. 5. cap. 4. Gratian. Decret part 3. de Conseâ—r dist 2. cap. 10.12 18.36 Durand rational divin offic lib. 4. cap. 5â— how comes it to have those things which are so directly contrary to the Masse that both cannot possibly stand together In our booke of Common-prayer we pray to God onely in the mediation of Jesus Christ and in a knowne language We professe that Christ by one oblation of himselfe once for all hath made a full perfect and sufficient satisfaction for the sinnes of the whole world that he hath commanded a perpetuall remembrance of his death and passion in that his ordinance of the Supper and that the Sacrament is to be administred in both kinds the Minister and the people communicating together were these things taken out of the Masse-booke The Church of Rome joyneth the two first Commandements in one or taketh away the second thereby to cloake their Idolatry in the worshipping of Images But the common-prayer-booke of the Church of England divideth them into two therein following two of the Fathers at most excepted all Antiquitie and fetteth downe the words of the second Commandement at large The Church of Rome teacheth that in the Sacrament of the Eucharist the body and bloud of Christ is received and eaten carnally that as much is received in one kinde as in both and that in the Masse Christ is offered 〈…〉 a propitiatory unblouddy Sacrifice for the sinnes of 〈◊〉 and dead But the common-prayer-booke of the Church of England in the forme of administring that Sacrament teacheth expresly That spiritually by faith wee feed on him in our hearts eating and drinking in remembrance that Christ dyed and shed his bloud for us In the Masse the Priest receiveth alone the people standing by gazing on but the Minister and people are appointed with us to communicate together according to the institution of Christ and practice of the primitive Church We make the communion of the Eucharist properly a Sacrament They a Sacrament and a Sacrifice propitiatory They celebrate at an Altar wee at a Table according to the example of our Saviour Christ his Apostles and the primitive Church in the purest times Wee pray for the living They for the living and dead And if these be not points directly and expresly contrary to the Romane service Rome is much departed from her selfe Carriers pretence in that particular is a meere jugling trick that he might insinuate a change of Religion might be made among us without any great alteration which is as likely as the light should be turned into darknesse and not espied If many points of Popery be not condemned expresly in the Catechisme or Service-booke which are for the instruction of the simple in the grounds of Religion and the administration of the holy things of God and not to shew what is condemned in Religion yet so many points are there taught directly coÌ„trary to the foundation of Popery that it is not possible Popery should stand if they take place And whereas Antichristianisme standeth in ungodly superstructions and additions to the truth and worship of God both matter and object if the Catechisme and Service-booke have not enough in them in his sense of necessitie they contradict the whole bulke of Popery which confisteth in abhominable superfluities or impious inventions of their owne It is mone proper to say the Masse was added to our common-prayer than that our common-prayer was taken out of the Masse-booke For most things in our common-prayer were to be found in the Liturgies of the Church long before the Masse whereof wee speake was heard of in the world And the Masse was patched up by degrees and added to the Liturgie of the Church now one peice then another so that the ancient truths and holy Liturgies were at last stained with the Idoll of the Masse Bishop Jewel Ser. on Josh 6.1 2 3. The things that may bee reserved viz. in the destruction of Hiericho must not bee dust or chasse or hay or stubble But gold silver iron and brasse I meane they may not be things meet to furnish maintaine superstition but such things as be strong and may serve either directly to serve God or els for comelinesse and good order which was sacrilegiously thrust into them But the prayers and truths of God taught in that Booke pertained to the Church as her prerogative the Masse and the abhominations thereof belonged into the man of sinne And if a true man may challenge his goods which the theese hath drawne into his denne the Church of God may lawfully make claime unto those holy things which Antichrist hath unjustly usurped That answer which is returned to the accusation makes against them that sue for discipline viz. That a great part of their discipline is borrowed from the Anabaptists will serve as a buckler in this case And it is this which I doubt not you will approve Whatsoever is proper either to the heresie of Papists and Anabaptists Donatists or Puritanes that wee utterly condemne to the pit of hell But if amongst the filth of their heresies there may be found any good thing as it were a graine of good corne in a great deale of Darnell that we willingly receive not as theirs but as the Jewes did the holy Arke from the Philistins T. C. repl 2. par 1. Epistle to the Chh of England whereof they were unjust owners For herein that is true that is said The sheepe must not lay downe her fell because shee seeth the Wolfe sometimes cloathed with it August lib. 2. Serm. de Monte yea it may come to passe that the Synagogue of Satan may have some one thing at one time with more convenience than the true and catholique Church of Christ Bishop Jewel Ser. in Iosh 6.1.2.3 In religion no part is to be called little A haire is but little yet it hath a shadow If our Booke please the Papists it is but in some things wherein in reverence to Antiquitie we come too nigh them in some rites and ceremonies but with the substance of the ministration it selfe they cannot be pleased unlesse they be
displeased with their owne service and will renounce their owne Religion If Pope Pius the fourth promised to Queene Elizabeth that if shee would reconcile her selfe to the Church of Rome Pius the fourth in his Bull sent forth against Queene Elizabeth saith ImpioruÌ„ numerus tantum potentiâ invaluit nullus jam in orbe locus relictus fit quem illi pessimis doctrinis corruÌ„pere non tentarint And then speaking of Q. Elizabeth Missae sacrificium preces jejunia cihorum delectum caelibatuÌ„ abolevit and acknowledge the supremacy of that Sea he for his part would binde himselfe to declare the sentence pronounced against her Mothers marriage to be unjust to confirme by his authoritie the English Liturgie and to permit the administration of the Sacrament here in England under both kindes It is no new thing for the Pope to permit and confirme both for his owne sinister end what he doth not like or approve It is no strange matter that the Pope should preferre his supremacy before the purity of Religion And by the words of the offer the promise of the Pope seemeth not to be extended to the whole Liturgie and service of the Church as it is established by Law but to some part alone perhaps as it was practised before the sacrifice of the Masse was abolished For why should it be added that he would permit the administration of the Sacraments in both kindes if he would confirme the whole English Liturgie as it is now set forth After Queene Elizabeth was proclaimed a Proclamation came forth that the Letany the Epistles and Gospels the Decalogue the Creede and the Lords-prayer should be read in all Churches in the English tongue but it was the fourteenth of May after being Whitsunday before the sacrifice of the Masse was abolished and the booke of the uniformitie of common-prayer and the administration of the Sacraments publiquely received but whether the whole Service be meant or no it is not much materiall for he could not confirme it but he must condemne himselfe If the Papists for the first ten yeares The seditious Bull of Pius Quintus was set up published by Felton a rebellious traytor in the twelfth yeer of Q. Elizabeth which bare date the fifth of the Calends of March Anno 1569. An. 13. The statute for subscription to the Doctrine of faith SacrameÌ„ts An. 17. of Q. Elizabeth there was great stirre about Ceremonies and Discipline Scripsit haec ille saith Mr. Parker speaking of Dr. Whiteg ante natam separationeÌ„ nostram quae utinam O utinamâ—nata nunquaÌ„ fuisset Park de polit Eccl. l. 1. ca. 14. sect 1. Ann. 20. Began a flourishing time An. 26. Universall subscription offered to the Ministers After which followed grievous troubles and then separation and falling from the Chh. August lib. 1. contr ep Parm. c. 7. Nec quae dicebant probare potuerunt et adhuc in sanctae Ecclesiae praecisione Sacrilego furore ferebantur Acts and Mon. vol. 3. title The Cannon of the Masse resorted to our publique Congregations and service what can we thinke but that the hand of the Lord was with us for good whiles we sought him unfaignedly who caused our enemies at least lyingly to submit themselves For in the first ten yeares of Queen Elizabeth there was sweet consent amongst brethren The Pope durst not curse the Gospell flourished and was glorifyed the Papists durst not oppose themselves and I thinke there was not a man that thought of separation The pressing of subscription and conformitie in the tenth yeare of Queen Elizabeths Reigne was that which brought in all the troubles and contentions following For after that Brethren wrote one against another the Papists they fell backe to their vomit and in processe of time and not long after some of fiery spirits advanced the Controversies to such an height as they forsooke their brethren renounced their Mother and drew themselves into voluntary separation or schisme Which rents have beene encreased unto this day by the violent urging of subscription and conformitie on the one fide and the maintenance of that rash and sinfull departure on the other But these things convince not our service to be idolatrous In few words if our publique worship be false and devised it must be either because it is a stinted or set Liturgie devised by man or for some speciall reason in respect of the former matter If because it is a stinted or set Liturgie devised by man then it is in vaine to say it is picked out of the Masse-booke or it pleaseth the Papists or the Pope would have confirmed it For this doth not make it devised worship but it is devised worship because it is a set or stinted forme And then the same sentence must passe against all set formes of Psalmes Blessings Confessions and Catechismes Then the publique worship of all the Churches of God throughout the whole world for the space of this fourteene hundred yeares if not more was false devised and idolatrous If in respect of the peculiar matter or forme then either the bare forme of words order and methode must be a part of worship or the matter and substance of prayers and administration of the Sacraments be forged and devised worship neither of which was ever said by any Nonconformists nor can be avouched with colour of truth The forme may be too like the Masse-booke in some things and the matter in every point not so pure as is to be desired but the forme is not worship nor prayers and substance of administration devised worship Such is the unholinesse of this Idol-booke Sect. 2. Neces Can. of Separat p. 81 82. 2 Admon pag. 56. Def. Admo pag. 4. 1 Admonit pag. 3. Syons plea. 342. 318 314. Mr. Gilby pag. 29. 2 Admon 57. 1 Admon 3. as the Nonconformists generally have refused to subscribe unto it affirming it to be such a peice of worke at it is strange any will use it there being in it most vile and unallowable things And for this cause they have besought the Peeres of the Readâ—ie that it might be utterly removed and many reasons they have given in severall Treatises to prove their condemnation of it just and lawfull First because it is an infections Liturgie Romish-stuffe a divised service and in it are many Religions â—ixed together of Christ and Antichrist of God and the Devill besides a booke full of fansies and a great many things contrary to Gods Word and prayers which are false foolish superstitious and starke naught Secondly They cannot account it praying as they use it commonly but onely reading or saying of prayers 2 Admon 56. even as a childe that learneth to reads if his lesson be a prayer he readeth a prayer and doth not pray even so it is commonly a saying and reading prayers and not praying Thirdly In all the order there is no edification but confusion Fourthly Wee reade not of any such Liturgie in the Christian Church
or superstition And we may say of both these exercises so used 2 Admonit pag. 56. as the Admonition doth wee cannot account them praying or preaching but onely reading or rehearsing or saying of a Sermon or prayer even as a childe that learneth a prayer or Sermon without booke if he rehearse what he hath learned he rehearseth a prayer or Sermon but he doth not pray or preach But this is onely the sinne of him that useth not these prayers as he ought it argueth not the prayers themselves to be evill nor the use of a stinted forme publique or private in them that use it or them that joyne to be disallowed If it be not praying as it is used ignorantly for custome without affection it is praying when used aright with understanding faith feeling and such like affections required in holy prayer We reade not of any such Liturgie in the Church of Christ in the dayes of the a Bilson Christ subsect part 4. p. 407 408. You may well perceive by the Apostles words that they had neither Sermons nor Service prefixed nor limited in his time but when the chh came together the Elders and Ministers instructed the people and made their prayers by miraculous instinct or inspiratiō This was all the church-service they had to which they added the celebration of the Lords Supper but without any setled or prefixed order of prayer except it were the LORDS prayer which they observed in all places c. Apostles and therefore no such Liturgie is any part of Gods worship or substantiall meanes thereof to be used without addition or alteratiō of all or any Church with opinion of necessitie holinesse or merit But a set Liturgie might be in use in their times though we reade not of it for the Apostles set not downe a Catalogue of all and every particular order that was in the Church but give us a perfect rule or canon of faith and manners in all things necessary to salvation and all things unchangeably concerning the government of the Church unto the end of the world And if there was no stinted Liturgie in their dayes yet for order a set forme of prayer to be used in publique meeting is not unlawfull because it is of the number of things which God hath not determined in his Word and b In the additions to the Admonitiō it is read thus Remove Homilies Articles Injunctions and that prescript order wherein they declare that their meaning is not to disallow of prescript service of prayer but of this forme that we have T. C. repl 1. pag. 105. Dr. Whiteg answer to the Admonition pag. 143. where God hath not prescribed any forme there no forme must be esteemed any part of worship or condemned as simply unlawfull For as to call that holy which God hath not sanctified is superstition so it is erroneous to condemne that as unholy or prophane which God alloweth or is consonant to his Word though it be not precisely commanded But that there was no such c Bilson ibid. pag. 409. Had they set an order for the service of the church durst any man after have broken it or any church refused it Liturgie in many ages following till blindnesse ignorance and lazinesse occasioned a prescript forme to be made for idle and dumbe Priests is your addition to the Nonconformists reasons and not their saying and more then can be proved by good Authoritie Of the precise antiquitie of stinted Liturgies it is hard to determine but that they have beene in use in the Christian Church for the space of this fourteene hundred yeares if not above no man can denie It is more than probable that stinted formes were in use in the Greeke Churches before they came to the d The Bishops of Rome were 600. yeares and upward patching peicing the Masse before they brought it to any setled forme Polydor. De Invent. rer l. 5. c. 10. Latine at least many things were translated out of the Greeke Liturgies into the Latine But in the Latine Church we finde a stinted forme was in use in Cyprians time in the administration of the Supper not to insist upon that which some mention of the Lords prayer used in the celebration from the very times of the Apostles And some the chiefe promoters of a stinted Liturgie are renowned for their constant and unwearied paines in preaching every day in the weeke and sometimes twice So that there is no probabilitie that the first occasion of a stinted e Rome had one forme of service Millain another France a third Greg. respon ad 3. interrogat Aug. Liturgie was to helpe the ignorant idle or dumbe Priest as you are pleased to phrase it Where you borrowed this clause I know not but I cannot finde that ever the f See T. C. repl 1. pag. 106. Nonconformists have thus written In all the order there is you say no edification but confusion but the g 2 Admon pag. 14. Author of the Admonition saith In all their order of service there is no edification according to the Rule of the Apostle but confusion which seemeth to be referred rather to the h In the Church of Corinth some of their Elders strangers or inhabitāts to venditate themselves and the gifts they had of God might sometimes blesse or make their prayers at the Lords Table in a tongue not understood of the whole multitude But this abuse doth not condemne the exercise it selfe abuse in too many places than to the order it selfe prescribed in the booke as the instances following of tossing the Psalmes like tennise-balls in many places and the peoples standing walking talking reading by themselves doe evidence But the Booke is not to be burdened with the faults of men though too ordinary and common The Nonconformists dislike that nothing els should be required of Ministers but barely to reade service and the ordaining of ignorant Ministers they condemne as contrary to the Word of God and the meanes to nuzzle people in ignorance securitie lukewarmnesse and sinne But the use of a stinted Liturgie or the reading of prayers in the publique assembly they never gainesaid as unlawfull or inexpedient We agree saith i T C. repl 1. p. 106. T. C. of a prescript forme of prayer to be used in the Church And in the other no question many Conformists doe consent with them A prescript service therefore and an k Rutges Metaph. institut lib. 1. ca. de Bono Effectus per accidens secutus ex actione vel omissione alicujus non imputatur ei nisi intercedat obligatio cavendi unum ne aliud sequatur Hoc pacto unus bomo nonpotest juste recte intendere permissionem lapsus alterius ignorant or carelesse Ministery have no necessary coherence the one is lawfull the other unlawfull the one may be retained the other ought to be taken away It is no consequence to reason thus The Nonconformists disallow a Ministery that can
no this is evident your inferences in this point are not correspondent to their Principles nor can be deduced from them as in the beginning you promised And then upon what bottome doth this reason stand or by what prop is it underset but your own bare affirmation which is much too weake to beare so great a weight Whosoever meanes z Can. Neces of Separat pag. 210. you say to settle well the conscience especially in a maine point of faith and Religion ought necessarily to bring good proofes from Scripture for the things whereof he speaketh For otherwise men must give no trust unto his words or if they doe it must be unadvisedly And what thinke you then if men upon your bare word give credit unto this argument is it not unadvised You bid a Bilson difference part 1. pag. 20. What we say without proofe reject you without answer If that rule may stand we need no further confutation of the rest of your Apologie for there besides taunts termes I see nothing prove the contrary if any man be able But that is not to ground the conscience upon Gods truth If your assertion be not taught in holy Scripture it is an unwritten tradition an humane invention a dreame of your owne in your conceit false worship and flat Idolatry though your opposites be able to say nothing against it but this that it is not taught of God What the Nonconformists will say to this argument you know not but hitherto they have said nothing or as good as nothing It is well you say not both Propositions are theirs as you doe in the former with as little truth as if you had said it here But if you had perused their writings against Separation as you have observed what sharp words they let fall against the corruptions in our Church and Liturgie you might have knowne that they say somewhat and somewhat to the purpose not worthy your answer but what can never be truly answered First Discipline they say is taken two wayes First Largely for the whole order pertaining to the gathering and governing of a Church the ordering of divine worship and manner of men And in this sense b Bilson perpet Ch. govern cap. 1. pag. 3. Order and Discipline the very nurse and mother of all peace and quietnesse as well in divine as in humane Societies assemblies though it be not the life or spirit that quickneth the Church yet doth it fasten and knit the members thereof as joynts and sinewes do the parts of our bodies Id. ca. 9. The Gospell must be preached the Sacramēts must be frequented for which purpose some must be taken to the publique service and ministery of the Church c. Neither onely the lack of the Word and Sacraments but the prophanation and abuse of either how greatly doth it endanger the state and welfare of the whole Church of Christ yea the casting of holy things to dogs and of pearles before swine how dreadfull a judgement doth it procure as well to the consenters as presumers A little Leaven sowreth the whole masse So that power to send Labourers into Gods harvest and to separate prophane persons for defiling the mysteries and assemblies of the faithfull must be retained and used in the Church of Christ unlesse we will turne the house of God into a den of theeves c. Act. 2.41 42.44 45 46 47. 11.20 21.26 13.43.48 14.1.21 22 23. Discipline is neither the matter nor forme of the Church but an inseparable propertie and so there can be no Church without some Discripline Secondly It is taken strictly for the administration of the censures in which sense it is not absolutely necessary to the being but to the well-being and safetie of the Church Secondly They answer that by divine right the power of the keyes is given to every compleat Apostolicall Church but the execution of this power may be wanting either through their negligence or because they are hindred as in Sardis Thyatira Ephesus c. And this is to the purpose for the Question is of the power to execute the Discipline of Christ and not of the simple right to execute it And in your opinion the execution of Discipline is absolutely necessary to the being of the Church without which it can neither be gathered nor subsist Take your owne comparison unlesse the body doe both receive food and purge out excrements it is not possible it should subsist and live If therefore Sardis Pergamus Thyatira c. continued the true Churches of Christ when the greater sort would not and the better could not purge out excrements or all were grossely negligent it followeth that the execution of discipline or power to execute discipline is not absolutely necessary to the being of the Church Thirdly The Church of England wanteth not the discipline of Christ for substance either in respect of right or execution though it be not administred as it ought These are the Answers which they give and they are too heavie to be spurned away with scorne when ever you shall try their weight Thus I might dismisse your first band as being put to flight already But I will spend a little time to examine both propositions And for the first it is to be noted that the word Church to let passe other significations is taken First For the communitie of the faithfull few or many two three or more men or women without guides or officers for beleevers dispersed and scattered by persecution spoyled of their guides or such as being newly called never had guides set over them are yet the true Church of Christ Secondly The societie of the faithfull joyning together in the ordinances of worship under a lawfull Pastour is a true Church though defective in many officers and ordinances required to the perfection of the Church Thirdly A c Bilson ibid. ca. 1. The internall regiment that God hath by his Spirit and truth in the hearts of the faithfull is the true kingdom of christ cannot be varied is not questioned in the Church of England But there is a necessitie also of externall goverment which respecteth the appointing of meete men and repelling of unmeete to be trusted with the heavenly treasures of the Word and Sacraments As also the good using and right dividing of so precious Iewells committed to their charge competent number of faithfull people joyned in societie under lawfull Pastours Teachers and Elders to watch over rule feed and guide them in the waies of God are a true and compleat constituted Church of Jesus Christ The word Discipline also is used two wayes as hath been said First In a larger sense as comprehending all order and behaviour concerning a Church in outward duties and so among the rest the daily planting and building by the calling and offering of the Word by the Ministers and the hearing receiving and obeying by the people As military discipline is put for the whole art or manner of
ordering Souldiers Secondly In a more strict signification it is the politicall guiding of the Church and is exercised principally if not onely in the d Henry Ainsw first answer c. pag. 30. Whereupon Christ pronounced a blessing and annexed promises not for himselfe but as you grant for his successours also as I defend for the other Apostles also Ibid. Set you down by the scriptures what is meāt by keyes and I will shew you by Scriptures also that the 12 Apostles had equall power in using them administration of Church censures and this is that discipline which generally all Ecclesiasticall Writers speake of And this power likewise must be considered either in respect of right or the first act as they call it or in respect of execution and the second act These distinctions thus plainly propounded the answer to the Proposition is distinctly this First If the word Discipline be taken in the largest acceptation it is necessary to the Church because no Societie can be held or gathered without some order Secondly If it be taken in the strictest signification it belongeth not to the Communitie of the faithfull few or many For the power of governing the Church belongeth to them primarily and in respect of use and execution to e Bils Christ Subject part 2. p. 361. The Priest hath his Commission as a servant to call for subjection and obedience not unto himselfe but unto his Lord and Master that sent him c. who must preach himself the servant of meaner men than Princes and make himselfe the servant of all men if he note wel the words of his Commission c. whom Christ hath communicated it But Christ hath not given this power to the faithfull few or more but to his officers whom he hath appointed to feed and governe his folke Thirdly If a societie enjoy but one Pastour or Teacher for the time the power of government doth not belong unto him For Christ hath not committed this power unto one but unto many The power of f A dispute part 3. c. 8. p. 188. We must distinguish a twofold power of the keyes the one Concionalis the other Judicialis The former is proper for Pastours alone whose vocation it is by the preaching and publishing of Gods Word to shut and open the Kingdome of heaven The keyes of externall discipline belongeth to the whole Consistory Trelcat instit Theol. lib. 2. pag. 287. preaching and administration of the Sacraments is given to one and may be executed by him alone But the power of guiding or governing is given to the Colledge Ecclesiasticall or company of Governours and must not be executed by any others And if one alone may not challenge that which is committed unto a societie it is not for one Pastour to excommunicate his people And hence it followes necessarily that discipline or power of governing or dispencing the keyes is not absolutely necessary to the being of the Church For if there may be a true Christian Church without Pastours or Teachers but not g Pareus in 1 Cor. 5. de Excom Eorum quae conveniunt Presbyteris vi ordinis sui Presbyterialis duo sunt genera Alia enim immediatè conveniunt singulis personaliter alia vero immediatè conveniunt non quidem singulis personaliter sed conjunctis collegialiter sive Presbyterio Forb Irenis lib. 2. cap. 10. prop. 13. pag. 191. de prohibitis ordinantibus power of the keyes or Ecclesiasticall government then the power of government is not absolutely necessary to the being of a Church And if the Presbytery be the onely executioners of the censuring discipline then if the Church may be without a Presbytery it may want the discipline in respect of execution For where the Officer is wanting there the office also is wanting as touching the execution thereof If all the Officers of discipline should dye at once or the Church should want her officers the faithfull have not power of discipline either originally or actually either to conveigh it virtually or formally to her Ministers whom shee might chuse or to execute it her selfe But the faithfull doe remaine a Church when her officers are h Bilson perp gover cap. 10. It is not to be doubted that in the Apostles times every citie where the Gospell was received had many Prophets Pastours and Teachers not only travelling to and fro to exhort and confirme the brethren but abiding persisting in the same all laboring to encrease the number of the Church c. dispersed by persecution taken away by death be wanting through her negligence or some other way In your own way and constitution the Church may be without both Pastour and Teacher and that for a long time till fit men may be chosen unto that office in all which time it must want the administration of the Sacraments and execution of discipline We have not learned that every Christian is a King and a Prince to rule with i Bilson perpet gover cap. 3. Externall Regiment is no part of Christs Kingdome which is proper to his person and by many degrees excelleth all other governments for the divine force and grace that are eminent in the spirituall fruits and effects of his Kingdome Christ by open rebuke if no other doe rebuke in season or by debarring them from communion and fellowship of the Church whom he judgeth or censureth worthy to be cast out as men out of covenant For if all that are made of Christ by communion with him Kings Priests unto God should be made Kings and Priests unto God in order politicall to rule and governe his Church then power to governe should be given to every singular person not to the communitie alone to women and children no lesse than unto men The life and being of a Church standeth in the very knitting of the faithfull unto Christ for it is Christ that giveth salvation to the body And if union give it the forme of a Church it must necessarily be a Church before it practice this discipline because it hath no place but in an united body or Congregation Those three thousand soules that were gained at one prosperous k Act. 2.38.41 42 44 45 46 47. Sermon of Peter were the Church of God when they received the Word with gladnesse and were baptized before any power of Government was given unto or established among them The like is of the l Act. 8.5 6.11 9.31 Church or Congregation of Samaria Fourthly Of right the communicated power of government belongeth to every compleat Societie or rather to every Ecclesiasticall colledge or assembly set apart by Christ for the guidance of his people but the execution of that power may be hindred through m Zanc. de oper redempt in 4. praecep de discipl Eccles If it be a small Church and not consisting of many learned and skilful men excommunication ought not to be done except the neighbour churches be asked counsell of ignorance
this sincerely in truth and measure But they never thought nor taught that every member in a sort of the visible Churches were holy and sincere the true sheepe of Christ faithfull and effectually called much lesse that it was no Church of Christ wherein abuses were to be found or ungodly prophane men were tolerated The q Bils The difference between christium subject par 1. pag. 92. These se the Church militant triumphāt be not two but one Church Jerusalem which is above is the mother of us all Gal. 4. Yee be now saith Paul no more strangers and forreiners but Citizens with the Saints and of the houshold of God Eph. 2. For you be come to the Citie of the living God and Heb. 12. where you see the Saints in heaven be not removed from the Church of God but be received to their fellowship Id. part 2. p. 230. The Church in heaven is it another Church from this on earth or the same Certainly Christ hath but one body which it his Church and of that body seeing the Saints sc in heaven be the greater and worthier part they must be counted the same church with us Church militant and triumphant are not two Kingdomes but two degrees of one Kingdome The Church visible and invisible are not two Churches but distinct considerations of the same Church If then we speake of true sound living chiefe principle members of the militant Church such as partake in all the royalties and priviledges of members every member of the Church militant is a true branch in the Vine knit firmely unto Christ quickned by the Spirit and shall be an inheriter of eternall glory But if we speake of members in a sort of visible societies so hypocrites may be members and ungodly men as they are tolerated in the societie when the better part cannot reforme or amend them But to the Arguments in order First The Church may be true though the Ministery be deficient in the order of calling qualification of persons and execution of their office But that Church is false whose Ministery is altogether false for substance of their office that is the doctrine which they teach Sacraments which they administer and functions whereunto they are set apart Thus the Conformists and Inconformists both Now if we speake of the Ministery of the Church of England indefinitly both Conformists and Inconformists will confesse some things to be faulty both in the entrance and execution of their callings as that some are ignorant proud covetous carelesse corrupt not watching over the flocke But absolutely that their Ministery is false in respect of the substance of their office that was never said by either of them as you doe or might well know The knot to be unloosed now remaineth in your conscience in that either you aequivocate in your Major or against knowledge charge the Nonconformists in your Minor with that which they never said Secondly The true Church of Christ that is the true and lively members of the militant church and militant members of the catholique church is a company of r The true Church is an universall cōgregation or fellowship of Gods faithfull and elect people built upon the foundations of the Prophets and Apostles Christ Iesus himselfe being the head corner stone And it hath alwayes three notes or markes whereby it is knowne pure and sound doctrine the Sacraments ministred according to Christs holy institution and the right use of Ecclesiasticall discipline Hom. 2. booke hom for Whites 2. part The Church consisteth not of men but of faithfull men and they be the Church not in respect of flesh and bloud which came from earth but of truth and grace which came from Heaven Bilson Christ Subject part 2. pag. 231. faithfull people a communion of Saints the true flock of Christ which heare know acknowledge beleeve and obey the voyce of Christ the kings daughter which is all glorious within knit to Christ and married unto him But in this societie there are mixed not onely secret hypocrites but fierce Lyons Tigres Wolves Beares wicked Teachers and ungodly livers Thus the Conformists and Inconformists And in this sense the Church of England is a societie of faithfull and beleeving people the flocke of Christ the Kings daughter quickned by the Spirit enriched with grace decked with Gods ordinances walking in sincere constant conscionable obedience though in outward societie and profession mixed with many ignorant vaine prophane persons who have received the presse-money of Christ but indeed fight under the Devils banner as doe all hypocrites and ungodly wretches that is in the Church of England there be some truely of the Church which heare the voyce of Christ mixed with those which in words professe Christ but in their deeds deny him Thus the Conformists and Nonconformists The knot here lyeth onely in an aequivocation or grosse abuse of the word Church which sometimes notes the whole visible societie linked in an externall profession and sometimes the true and living members of Jesus Christ against which the gates of hell shall not prevaile Thirdly The s Deo dat Ital. Ioh. 10.1 The sheepe are the true faithfull endued with spirituall light and discretion sheepe of Christ doe heare his voyce but what sheepe not all that be sheepe in profession but all that be sheepe indeed and truth effectually called and gathered into Christ◠sheep-fold They heare that is acknowledge beleeve and obey Christs voyce sincerely but not perfectly fully and compleatly for the faithfull may erre of frailtie and infirmitie both in faith and manners sometimes they are mislead through ignorance drawne aside by passions foiled by temptations Christs sheepe doe obey his voyce but t Bils Christ. subject part 2. pa. 233. The Church is not simply a number of men for Infidels heretickes and hypocrites are not the Church but men regenerate by the Word Sacraments truely serving God according to the Gospell of his Sonne and sealed by the Spirit of grace against the day of Redemption all that are linked with them in outward societie doe not sincerely obey not yet in conversation fashion themselves to the direction and commandement of Jesus Christ And thus the Church of England that is the true and faithfull people in those societies doe heare and obey the voyce of Christ in truth others mixed with them doe heare and professe but not obey If the Church doe erre it is of ignorance nor of wilfulnesse or stubbornnesse In matters of lesse importance not fundamentall or bordering thereupon It is the errour of some onely add not of the whole Church which errours u Gratian. decret par 2. ca. 24. qu. 1. cap. 9. A rectae in Gloss Novitatibus Ipsa congregatio fidelium hic dicitur Ecclesia 〈◊〉 Ecclesia non potest nonesse cannot make that shee is not the flocke of Christ The knot here to be unloosed is your sinne in charging that upon the Nonconformists the contrary whereto they have ever