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A10046	The defence of truth against a booke falsely called The triumph of truth sent over from Arras A.D. 1609. By Humfrey Leech late minister Which booke in all particulars is answered, and the adioining motiues of his revolt confuted: by Daniell Price, of Exeter Colledge in Oxford, chaplaine in ordinary to the most high and mighty, the Prince of Wales.	Price, Daniel, 1581-1631.; Leech, Humphrey, 1571-1629. Triumph of truth.	1610 (1610)	STC 20292; ESTC S115193	202,996	384

is to iudge the later ANSVVER Who ever that was a supposed member in our Ecclesiasticall state durst disclaime the iudgement censure authority of our Church But your reasonlesse reason is the later Church is not to iudge the former If by the former Church you meane the ancient Catholike Church for the first 500. yeeres we maintaine our reformed Church to bee the same but if by the former church you meane the now Roman Catholike faith as Bristow and the Rhemists deliver Bristow mot 12. in marg Rhem in Annot in Rom. 1 8. that the Romane and Catholike Church be all one then we reiect and abhorre that Synagogue of Sathan wherein Ziim and Iim the Ostrich and Vulture and Schritchowle doe remaine And by many more degrees then Papistes prefer the Pope before the Emperour wee preferre the Reformed Churches which doe mainetaine the ancient Catholike Apostolike faith reformed from errors superstitions and heresies stealing in by the degrees of time and occasion into the window of the Church Mr LEECH And what did I herein good Reader but obserue the prescription of Antiquity in this behalfe Contr. Iulian Pelag. lib. 2. and namely that of S. Augustine against the Pelagian hereticks Patres oportet vt populi Christiani vestris novitatibus anteponant eisque potius eligant adhaerere quàm vobis ANSVVER Nay what did you but as Pelagian himselfe did magnifie the nature of man so strengthen the arme of flesh as if you would incite it to rebell against heaven and what did you otherwise then as hereticks of all ages who haue stoode so much vpon authorities out of some authors falsely collected that they will not be drawn no not by Scriptures to the acknoweledgemēt of their errors Such S. Austin observed the Donatists to be Aug. contra Donatist Quis autem nesciat sanctam Scripturam Canonicam tam veteris quā novi Testamēti c. where in a large discourse hee manifesteth that the Canon of Scripture is only so sure that there ought to bee no doubt or disputation thereof but for Fathers and Ancient Bishops much might be reprehended therein The cause that S. Austin in confuting the Pelagians did appoint the reading of the fathers to the people was this because the fathers formerly had delivered by strength of scripture the contrary doctrine to that heresie And yet that holy father speaking of himselfe and al the ancients before him Neque enim debeo negare saith he ad Vincentiū sicut in ipsis maioribus Aug. ad Vincentium Victorem ita multa esse in tam multis opusculis meis quae possunt iusto iudicio culpari that in him nor in any other this is a prescription of Antiquity to rely only on fathers Mr LEECH Here D. Airay distasting my refusall to stand vnto the verdict of the reformed Churches questioned with me about the rule of my faith I answered him briefly Contr. haeres cap. 1. c. See D. Field pag. 239. that I wholly followed Vincentius Lyrinensis his direction to wit Canonicall scripture and Ecclesiasticall traditiō the first being sensed by the second ANSVVER To refuse the iudgement of the ruler and to fly to a stranger is punishable in Policy to condemne and contemne your owne mother Church and to stand to the iudgement of a strange Church nay of a Synagogue a stranger from the Church is culpable in divinity It was a seasonable question to aske the rule of your faith whē it was manifest you had forsaken the faith your answer was vnsound ioining with Canonicall Scripture Ecclesiasticall tradition these be two therefore not the rule but rules whereas Canon regula must be but one Aq. lect 1. in 1. Tim. 6. Aquinas on Timothy affirming that the Doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles is called Canonicall because it is the rule Traditions wee renounce as vnworthy to be ioyned with Scripture Melch. Can. lib. 3. c. because Canus in this doeth expresly teach that whatsoever the Church of Rome practiseth and hath not warrant from Scripture the same things and the practise of them shee hath received by Tradition which Popish traditions we abhorre to supply scripture with as knowing that the Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation and also affirme that the most certaine rule of interpretation is by comparing Scripture with Scripture Vincentius Lerinensis is not for you he alloweth nothing barely vpon Tradition For by all the passages of his booke he doth plainely teach that no Traditiō is to be received but that which is consonant vnto Scripture such as S. Austin delivereth Quod vniversa tenet Ecclesia Lib. 4. contra Don. cap. 23. such as the whole Church hath doth hold agreeing to the Canon of the revealed word And from famous D. Field that powerfull hammer of all Heretikes that claime tenure in the Church you cā produce nothing to helpe your cause either in that page or in his whole booke Neither is Tradition to sense or expound the Scripture as you say This is your third interpreter first you appealed to the Church then to the Fathers now to Traditions the next appeale must bee to the Pope or else you will be cashierd Mr LEECH This rule he called Popish exclaiming against it as the very ground of Popery and superstition Wherevpon I desired him for my better instruction to giue a rule of faith more certaine infallible then this which be brāded with such disgracefull imputation ANSVVER Popish it is without all gainsaying For howsoever we reiect not all Traditions as first D. Field in his 4 booke of the Church the number and names of the Authors of Canonicall Scripture secondly the cheefe heades of Christian doctrine as delivered in the Creed of the Apostles Thirdly the religion purely collected out of Scripture delivered to succeeding ages fourthly the continuall practise of the Primitiue Church though not expresly commaunded but necessarily contained in Scripture and lastly Traditions of order not of faith such as are our Canons and Constitutions agreeing to the ancient and grounded on S. Paules speech Let all things be done in order I say we reiect not these though Waldensis in his time complained Waldens tom 3. tit 7. cap. 63. that the necessary Traditions of the Church were so confounded that they could hardly be discerned from the rest The points that we deny bee these first Scripture needeth not the Adiectiue help of Traditions it is a most sufficient rule and containeth all things necessary to salvation Secondly wee abhorre the comparison of these two and much more the preferring of tradition before Scripture as Hosius Baronius Symancha and others professe some affirming Hosius contr Petric c. 92. Baron an 33. nu 11. Sym. instit tit 24. n. 40. that all Scripture came to vs by Tradition therefore Tradition more worth others that Scripture needeth help from Traditions but Traditions neede no assistance from Scripture And therefore if you

Thyest quod nulla posteritas taceat sed nulla probet exceeding any particular Scythian Scillian Marian Tartarian Barbarian Iewish Turkish villany yet it was plotted by Catholiques Anticoton conspired by Catholiques acted Ioh. Mariana and to be acted by Catholiques and maintained as a lawfull doctrinall position by Catholiques Heretofore it was a Catholique doctrine held tyrannous in a king to kill a Priest but now it is thought a meritorious point in a Priest to kill a king and you must iustifie it If you iustifie not it they will not iustifie you Mr LEECH And if this blowe haue not hit home to the finall deciding of this quarrel depriving his heresie of al breathing let him or any or all his complices and especially those six well selected doctours who haue so farre engaged their credits by interessing themselues so deepely in the quarrell warde and answere the blow which they haue publikely received Doctor Benefield for all of them put togither haue not yet diverted the stroke Or if the cause which the principall Actor vndertooke will abide so much as the least touchstone of tryal let him vpon what grounds and confidence soever he stādeth as I dare boldly chardge challeng him he standeth vpon none but hereticall divulge his lecture vnto the cēsure of the world ANSVVER Your challēdge is received But why were not those many challēages answered by you which were offered by the ingenious and learned students of Christ-church and by the ingemminated motions of the Reverend Deane that you shoulde sit to answere or oppose in the scholasticall forme of Disputations about this point The sixe Doctors need not to raise their forces to encounter you One of them whom it most cōcerneth hath opposed more then you and Rome will ever answer His lecture is divulged to the worlds censure so it was desired by the Rightly Honorable and most reverend Bishop Ravis whose great care before his death was that your ignorant scandalous Pamphlet they were his owne wordes might receiue a rigid answere The learned and painefull lecture is able to satisfie any who giue i 1. Tiim 4.1 no heed vnto spirits of errour doctrines of Divels which speake not lies through hypocrisie having their consciences seared with a hot yron With that lecture the places of Scripture be truely expounded the question as in the sight of God truely discussed in the Appendix the ancient Fathers most sufficiently answered Mr LEECH Meane while for the honor of God confusion of Sathan to preserue Christ his word the word of verity from the infectiō of Heresie for the iust defence of this doctrine the due reproofe of hereticall innovatiō I haue thought good here to insert a true coppy of the Sermon preached by me in Oxford to iustifie Evangelicall Counsailes vpon the occasion aboue mentioned Anno Dom. 1608. 27. die Iunij ANSVVERE k Chem. in loc Commun loc de Cons Evang. Luther about to cōfute this very doctrine vseth these words In perpetuam rei memoriam maximè verò in Redemptoris gloriam ista sunt memori mente servanda exaggeranda adversus impudentissimos rabulas Papisticae abominationis defensores I wil not bee so bitter But to the glory of God dischardge of my conscience and satisfying of those great and honorable friends that did importune me to this businesse I follow you line by line to see whether your coppy bee right You say you haue endevored to reproue hereticall innovation I say so much dicit Scaurus negat Varius vtri creditis you must put your selfe vpon God and the Country Mr LEECH Reade it deare Christian brother severely iudge of it impartially and God graunt it may effect in thee what I wish hartily and that is if thou feelest thy selfe called and thy soule mooved effectually to practise the same Amen ANSVVER Wish faithfully pray religiously then no doubt God will giue you vnderstanding in al things which you must haue in your selfe before you cā wish it or teach it to others I lament you should so oppose your selfe to the doctrine of Christs holy Catholique Church in a mercenary respect and discontented humour burthen your soule with so fowle a sinne as this is truely iudged to be even Apostasie All such to the life S. Paule doth decipher and giveth order against such 1. Tim. 6.3 4.5 If any man teach otherwise and consenteth not to the wholesome doctrine which is according to Godlinesse he is puft vp and knoweth nothing he doateth or languisheth about questions and strife of words whereof commeth envy strife raylings evill surmises vaine disputations of men of corrupt mindes destitute of the truth which thinke that gaine is Godlinesse Fly such and feare such So I wish you so I counsell you so I pray for you and seale my counsell wishes and prayers with Amen Mr LEECH THE SERMON PREACHED IN defence of EVANGELICALL COVNSAILES and the Fathers ANSVVER It was and ever will be true Causa patrocinio non bona peior erit In that it is Bellarmines doctrine all your authorities gathered from him you are his advocat hee your author But I know not whose the Sermon is he made it but preached it not you preached it but made it not Mr LEECH AND I saw the dead both great and small stande before God Apoc. 20.12 the bookes were opened and another booke was opened which is the booke of life and the dead were iudged of those things which were written in the bookes according to their works This verse naturally floweth into three streames of Christian Doctrine The first is a generall citation of all And I saw the dead both great and smal stand before God The second is a particuler examination of all vpon a two-fold evidence brought in liber conscientiae librū praescientiae the booke of conscience and the booke of God his eternall prescience the bookes were opened and another booke was opened which is the booke of life A finall retribution involved in the act and particuler manner of the iudgement and the dead were iudged of those things which were writtē in the books according to their workes ANSVVER AS the Surgion seeking to heale some vlcerated partes of a corrupted body doth not apply his Kataplasmes vnto every mēber but vnto those that are worse affected so must I deale with your sermon seeke to cure only those partes that are most tainted In this first Passage if by the rules of Criticisme I should examine it I shoulde finde it guilty of diverse errors but chiefly of your mistake in calling the first part of your text a Citation which is an appearance or a vision of the appearāce the effect of the citation I saw the dead both great and smal your best helpe here wil be to let it be dispensed with per metonimiam satis impropriam Mr LEECH The generall citation more particularly wrappeth in it the persons appearing the dead the extent of

but Ecclesiasticum in which point you were most vnsound vouchsafed not to afford so much vnto the Kings most royall Maiestie as Hart doth who in the end of the Conference thus cloaseth out of S. Austin D. Rain conf with Hart. c. ● 10. fol. 589. Kings do serue God in this as Kings if in their own Realme they commande good things and forbid evill not only concerning the civill state of mē but the Religion of God also and thus much saith hee I subscribe to I omit here to lengthen my discourse by inserting any speech cōcerning the Oath The Apology where of seeing Maiesty hath so divinely and powerfully delivered As also that the grounds of all that can be said are so exactly long since proved by that Reverend father of our Church the Bishop of Winchest now of late in the divers answers to the snarling Curres that barke at the Ecclesiastes of our Salomon I also omit purposely the quotation of your Cath. Divine against the exquisite labours of that most Reverend and most iudiciously learned Sir Edward Cook because others of eminent place either haue already perfited or very shortly wil silence your Catholique diuine Your profession that you attribute as much to his Maiestie as the law Temporall requireth not dissēting from the law divine is false The law divine doth giue vnto Caesar place vpō earth next vnto God And from the vertue of that law is derived the oath of English men for the KINGS Maiestie against the Pope 2. Kings 11.4 vsurping part of his right as well as Iehoiada of the men of Iuda for Ioas their King against Athalia that vsurped his state And doe you presume to moderat this title of Supremacy I would from my soule that I might moderate your title of Traytor It is too much to be an Apostate an Adversary but in this kinde to offēd it is an offence with a high hand You see thē that the Doctor had good reason to susspect you whē you translated your selfe frō the title of subiection the KINGS Maiestie as much as in you lyeth frō his lawful dominiō You shoot at Calvin in your margine and againe and at the Doctor in your Text the Reverend Doctor is scholler to none but Christ though he and all honest men doe reverence blessed Calvin And Calvin in the place quoted reproveth not the title of Head as Protestants graunted it but in that sense which Popish Prelats gaue it him namely Stephen Gardiner who did vrge the title of Head so as if he had meant thereby that the KING might doe things in Religion according to his own will and not see them done according to Gods will Wherefore cease that calumny and quench that tongue which setteth on fire the course of nature and is inflamed by hell fire You were not oppugned by any flattering devise or spiteful malice as you affirme but by truth and faith alleagiance to God and the King Hence I ground my tenth pillar that their religion is bad who possessed with malitious recusancy and treacherous Apostasie speake evill of those that bee in authority and yeeld not Caesar that which is Caesars or vnto God that which is Gods Mr LEECH The eleuenth Motiue The Protestants manner of proceedings against Catholiques and Catholique Religion is absurd in reason and vnequall in Iustice And hence they are proued to be Heretikes IN my perusall of the ancient Fathers and Ecclesiasticall histories I did very often obserue these two things First that the Catholike Church had wisdome to discerne Hereticall innovations Secondly that she had power to enact necessary lawes for the suppression thereof so that an Heresie could not escape hir censure nor an Hereticke hir iustice If Popery therefore be Heresie and Papists Hereticks as some fanatically brand them then surely the Catholike Protestanticall Church is able to shew that she in all ages hath impugned this Heresie and that she hath her proper lawes to proceed against Hereticall offendours If not so then doubtlesse she is no more Catholique then the furious Congregations of Donatists Arrians and such like who afflicted the true Church against all order of iustice being neuer able to shew any Catholike predecessors who maintained their opinions nor any lawes made by them to correct the impugners thereof That this is the condition of Protestants I am a witnesse by their disorderly proceeding against the Doctrine which I delivered out of the conforme testimonies of the Church For whereas it pleased my Calvinian iudge to call it Popish erroneous false lying absurd Doctrine they could not reproue it otherwaies then Arrians and Donatists that is to say by reiecting the Fathers and by a tumultuous processe without any legall course And though I required them to deale with me as with an Heretique by refelling my doctrine and by proceeding Canonically against me yet they oppressed mee with authority alone hauing their will for reason and their power for iustice But for asmuch as I haue such abundant proofe for the verity of my doctrine and that their opinion is condemned in the Church for no lesse then Heresie Ambr. 10. lib. epist epist 80 81. by Syricius Bishop of Rome and a Counsaile there by S. Ambrose Bishop of Millain and a Counsaile there I appeach them confidently as Heretikes for embracing Iovinianisme as Heretikes for contemners of Antiquity and therefore as Heretikes culpable of singular pride Which infamy if they can wash away from themselues by learning and honesty then I will retract my sentence and confesse my selfe to be an Heretke for the one of vs must needes be Heretikes howsoeuer every ingenuous indifferent man must needes confesse that they did not carry themselues as they should haue done to proue mee guilty of this crime ANSVVER In your abusall of the Ancients you observed much and deserved little for it because it was farre from their meaning to speak as you desired to teach them Your two observations here be good I cōfesse but ill applyed For the Catholike Church being the same with our Protestants in all ages hath impugned the heresies which Papists mainetaine The Valentinians worshipped the Crosse and were condemned as Hereticks saith Irenaeus The Carpocratians worshipped Images they were condemned for hereticks Iren. lib. 1. Aug. haeres 7. saith S. Austin Collyridiam hereticks for adoring the Virgin Mary Angelici hereticks for adoring the Angels Pelagians hereticks for holding perfectiō Priscilianists heretickes for mental reservatiō Maniches herteicks forbidding to eate flesh Tatians and Montanists forbidding marriage and Anthropomorphites painting God in similitude of a man Are not these all by Austin Irenaeus and Epiphanius and others condemned bee not all these positions by the Church of Rome maintained For our Catholicke Protestāt Predecessors the fathers of the first 500. yeeres are ours and from thence a continuall succession of learned faithfull couragious teachers in all the following ages as Mr White in his learned Chronologicall collection in