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A27032 A second admonition to Mr. Edward Bagshaw written to call him to repentance for many false doctrines, crimes, and specially fourscore palpable untruths in matter of fact ... : with a confutation of his reasons for separation ... / by Richard Baxter ... Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1671 (1671) Wing B1400; ESTC R16242 98,253 234

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