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intent_n and_o expression_n of_o the_o complainants_n themselves_o require_v any_o thing_n but_o what_o the_o nationall_n synod_n have_v order_v and_o appoint_v to_o be_v do_v for_o and_o to_o all_o the_o church_n and_o which_o the_o class_n if_o they_o be_v true_a to_o their_o own_o rule_n in_o their_o first_o constition_n must_v see_v perform_v so_o far_o be_v they_o from_o attempt_v the_o innovation_n and_o alteration_n of_o discipline_n and_o government_n so_o long_o practise_v in_o these_o reform_a church_n sect_n 24_o 25._o 26._o examine_v their_o second_o proof_n of_o his_o deprive_v the_o elder_n of_o their_o power_n in_o government_n for_o the_o good_a of_o the_o church_n be_v compl._n compl._n that_o he_o have_v protest_v against_o their_o judgement_n in_o matter_n which_o may_v have_v be_v end_v in_o the_o consistory_n and_o in_o that_o respect_n aught_v not_o to_o have_v be_v bring_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la yet_o he_o have_v carry_v they_o
thither_o this_o passage_n i_o will_v have_v pass_v by_o reply_v if_o his_o frequent_a mention_v my_o name_n in_o the_o 25._o and_o 26._o section_n have_v not_o compel_v i_o to_o examine_v it_o the_o case_n wherein_o they_o complain_v that_o he_o have_v nedles_o wave_v the_o judgement_n of_o the_o elder_n be_v three_o 1._o concern_v a_o order_n that_o shall_v have_v be_v make_v for_o my_o accommodation_n in_o the_o question_n about_o promiscuous_a administer_a baptism_n to_o all_o that_o be_v bring_v in_o that_o place_n sect_n 25._o 2._o about_o be_v a_o agreement_n among_o the_o elder_n that_o a_o convenient_a time_n shall_v be_v give_v i_o to_o go_v on_o in_o assist_v the_o answerer_n to_o see_v if_o in_o that_o time_n i_o can_v obtain_v that_o this_o question_n may_v be_v lay_v aside_o and_o inform_v myself_o more_o full_o concern_v the_o order_n and_o custom_n of_o the_o dutch_a church_n whereunto_o my_o conformity_n be_v require_v sect_n 26._o 3._o concern_v his_o refusal_n to_o let_v mr._n weld_n preach_v though_o he_o confess_v he_o have_v nothing_o against_o he_o without_o consent_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la etc._n etc._n ibid._n whereby_o it_o appear_v that_o they_o do_v not_o complain_v of_o his_o seek_n advise_v of_o neighbour_n minister_v simple_o and_o absolute_o but_o 1._o in_o certain_a case_n there_o mention_v and_o therefore_o they_o do_v not_o in_o their_o writing_n divide_v the_o one_o from_o the_o other_o into_o several_a section_n for_o that_o be_v his_o own_o contrivement_n but_o relate_v all_o together_o in_o one_o entire_a sentence_n 2._o the_o case_n produce_v by_o they_o be_v such_o wherein_o the_o matter_n may_v have_v be_v determine_v and_o conclude_v by_o the_o eldership_n without_o violation_n of_o any_o order_n establish_v in_o the_o government_n of_o those_o church_n 3._o the_o matter_n be_v so_o carry_v by_o he_o in_o this_o needle_n appeal_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la that_o their_o agreement_n be_v nullify_v these_o thing_n be_v premise_v the_o insufficiency_n of_o his_o five_o answer_n in_o the_o 24._o section_n will_v be_v obvious_a to_o the_o indifferent_a reader_n in_o particular_n thus_o for_o the_o first_o his_o thinck_n that_o the_o elder_n err_v in_o their_o judgement_n in_o such_o case_n as_o these_o in_o question_n be_v not_o a_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o a_o appeal_n as_o may_v appear_v in_o reason_n for_o so_o no_o cause_n shall_v be_v end_v in_o their_o consistory_n though_o the_o elder_n unanimous_o consent_v in_o their_o judgement_n if_o the_o pastor_n differ_v from_o they_o out_o of_o a_o obstinate_a will_n without_o give_v sufficient_a reason_n of_o his_o dissent_v and_o then_o to_o what_o end_n be_v the_o meeting_n of_o the_o eldership_n whereas_o he_o call_v upon_o they_o to_o prove_v it_o by_o scripture_n they_o may_v with_o better_a warrant_n require_v he_o to_o prove_v by_o scripture_n the_o lawfullnes_n of_o such_o appeal_n in_o such_o case_n for_o which_o they_o find_v no_o word_n command_v or_o approve_v they_o for_o the_o second_o unless_o he_o can_v prove_v those_o agreement_n among_o the_o elder_n to_o be_v sin_n and_o unfruitful_a work_n of_o darkness_n he_o will_v be_v find_v guilty_a of_o a_o double_a sin_n 1._o that_o he_o oppose_v the_o elder_n without_o just_a cause_n 2._o that_o he_o misapply_v scripture_n to_o justifye_v his_o unjust_a opposition_n of_o they_o for_o the_o three_o it_o be_v grant_v that_o as_o council_n may_v err_v so_o may_v consistorye_n much_o more_o easy_o and_o that_o all_o obedience_n aught_v to_o be_v in_o the_o lord_n but_o with_o all_o that_o the_o protester_n against_o they_o aught_o to_o declare_v the_o equity_n of_o their_o so_o do_v from_o scripture_n or_o good_a reason_n which_o have_v not_o be_v do_v by_o the_o answerer_n for_o the_o four_o the_o pretend_v reason_n whereby_o the_o answerer_n will_v justifye_v this_o act_n take_v from_o the_o very_a foundation_n of_o government_n and_o institution_n of_o diverse_a judicatories_n to_o take_v away_o disagreement_n strife_n controversy_n or_o different_a plead_n among_o man_n will_v not_o help_v he_o in_o the_o case_n question_v unless_o he_o can_v prove_v 1._o that_o the_o class_n be_v of_o the_o same_o use_n by_o divine_a institution_n for_o the_o help_n of_o pastor_n which_o have_v the_o assistance_n of_o their_o eldership_n 17.8_o deut._n 1.12_o with_o cap._n 17.8_o whereof_o that_o judicatorye_n be_v for_o the_o help_n of_o moses_n who_o be_v not_o able_a alone_o to_o bear_v the_o cumbrance_n and_o strife_n of_o the_o people_n and_o of_o the_o king_n of_o israel_n afterward_o which_o they_o deny_v 2._o that_o the_o cause_n in_o question_n which_o he_o carry_v from_o the_o consistory_n to_o the_o classis_fw-la 9.10_o 2._o chron._n 19_o 8_o 9.10_o be_v of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o those_o cause_n between_o blood_n and_o blood_n between_o law_n and_o commandment_n statute_n and_o judgement_n which_o be_v defer_v to_o the_o levite_n the_o priest_n and_o chief_a of_o the_o father_n of_o israel_n that_o man_n may_v be_v warn_v by_o they_o that_o they_o trespass_n not_o against_o the_o lord_n this_o also_o they_o deny_v and_o may_v just_o accuse_v he_o of_o misapply_v the_o scripture_n noat_v by_o he_o in_o the_o margin_n 5._o to_o the_o five_o it_o be_v true_a that_o the_o power_n of_o the_o elder_n in_o government_n have_v not_o be_v overthrow_v by_o his_o bring_v any_o matter_n unlawful_o unto_o the_o classis_fw-la if_o it_o be_v the_o manner_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la in_o such_o case_n to_o remit_v the_o matter_n to_o the_o consistory_n again_o but_o what_o one_o instance_n can_v he_o produce_v in_o the_o particular_n whereof_o they_o complain_v or_o in_o any_o other_o case_n bring_v by_o he_o to_o they_o wherein_o the_o matter_n be_v remit_v to_o the_o consistory_n why_o so_o it_o be_v not_o because_o the_o buiseness_n be_v so_o weighty_a that_o it_o have_v be_v agree_v in_o the_o synod_n that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v proceed_v in_o without_o advice_n of_o the_o classis_fw-la nor_o because_o they_o concern_v many_o church_n and_o therefore_o require_v the_o consent_n of_o all_o what_o then_o it_o be_v because_o the_o elder_n can_v not_o satisfy_v he_o nor_o he_o they_o as_o he_o intimate_v in_o the_o answer_n before_o but_o why_o be_v he_o not_o satisfy_v because_o he_o will_v not_o be_v satisfy_v unless_o the_o matter_n may_v be_v carry_v according_a to_o his_o will_n for_o no_o sufficient_a reason_n be_v give_v by_o he_o against_o it_o at_o that_o time_n so_o then_o if_o he_o will_v end_v a_o buisenes_n in_o the_o consistory_n there_o it_o shall_v be_v end_v but_o if_o he_o see_v that_o it_o will_v be_v carry_v against_o his_o mind_n there_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v end_v there_o but_o be_v take_v out_o of_o their_o hand_n and_o carry_v to_o the_o classis_fw-la where_o he_o know_v how_o to_o bring_v his_o purpose_n about_o thus_o he_o have_v two_o string_n to_o his_o bow_n but_o in_o the_o mean_a time_n be_v not_o the_o power_n of_o the_o elder_n in_o government_n overthrow_v thereby_o 25._o sect._n 25._o in_o the_o 25._o sect._n they_o speak_v of_o a_o agreement_n among_o the_o elder_n to_o make_v a_o order_n that_o those_o who_o be_v not_o member_n of_o that_o church_n shall_v make_v themselves_o know_v to_o i_o compl_n compl_n that_o i_o may_v be_v satisfy_v concern_v they_o before_o they_o shall_v present_v their_o child_n to_o baptism_n in_o public_a which_o they_o say_v will_v have_v end_v that_o difference_n between_o we_o but_o he_o protest_v against_o it_o if_o this_o complaint_n be_v just_a be_v it_o not_o a_o grievance_n let_v we_o weigh_v his_o four_o answer_n to_o it_o ans_fw-fr 1._o he_o say_v there_o be_v no_o order_n make_v therefore_o they_o speak_v untrue_a and_o they_o know_v not_o what_o reply_n neither_o do_v they_o say_v a_o order_n be_v make_v but_o it_o be_v agree_v that_o one_o shall_v be_v make_v what_o untruth_n be_v in_o this_o if_o any_o be_v 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