Selected quad for the lemma: order_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
order_n	church_n	place_n	power_n	2,519	5	4.8983	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A93884	The second part of the duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Wherein are maintained the Kings, Parliaments, and all civil magistrates authority about the Church. Subordination of ecclesiasticall judicatories. Refuted the independency of particular congregations. Licentiousnesse of wicked conscience, and toleration of all sorts of most detestable schismes, heresies and religions; as, idolatry, paganisme, turcisme, Judaisme, Arrianisme, Brownisme, anabaptisme, &c. which M.S. maintain in their book. With a brief epitome and refutation of all the whole independent-government. Most humbly submitted to the Kings most excellent Majestie. To the most Honorable Houses of Parliament. The most Reverend and learned Divines of the Assembly. And all the Protestant churches in this island and abroad. By Adam Steuart. Octob. 3. 1644. Imprimatur Ja: Cranford.; Duply to M.S. alias Two brethren. Part 2.	Steuart, Adam.	1644 (1644)	Wing S5491; Thomason E20_7; ESTC R2880	197,557	205

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inhabitant_n of_o the_o idolatrous_a city_n and_o the_o cattle_n thereof_o etc._n etc._n a._n s._n i_o deny_v it_o for_o the_o one_o be_v ground_v upon_o natural_a and_o divine_a reason_n as_o we_o have_v see_v and_o god_n will_v shall_v see_v more_o full_o by_o our_o follow_a reason_n but_o so_o be_v not_o the_o other_o p._n 52_o 53._o §_o 25._o answ_n 8._o m._n s._n answer_v 1._o that_o the_o king_n of_o juda_n only_o exercise_v their_o power_n about_o idolatry_n and_o idolater_n a._n s._n i_o deny_v it_o 1._o for_o they_o exercise_v it_o also_o in_o beat_v down_o of_o the_o high_a place_n wherein_o there_o be_v not_o idolatry_n as_o have_v be_v permit_v before_o the_o build_n of_o the_o temple_n 2._o because_o there_o be_v the_o same_o reason_n bind_v they_o to_o exercise_v it_o against_o the_o transgression_n of_o the_o first_o commandment_n the_o violation_n whereof_o be_v more_o direct_o against_o god_n honour_n for_o sacrifice_v in_o high_a place_n be_v but_o a_o circumstance_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n violate_v but_o heresy_n and_o schism_n be_v formal_a breach_n of_o the_o first_o commandment_n the_o one_o of_o faith_n the_o other_o of_o charity_n therein_o command_v and_o the_o false_a prophet_n be_v to_o be_v put_v to_o death_n 2._o in_o the_o same_o section_n he_o say_v that_o it_o be_v the_o generality_n of_o the_o church_n or_o nation_n of_o the_o jew_n and_o not_o their_o king_n that_o be_v invest_v with_o it_o by_o god_n deut._n 13._o and_o 7.5_o and_o 12.2_o 3._o a._n s._n here_o be_v anabaptism_n in_o divest_v the_o magistrate_n of_o his_o power_n and_o vest_v the_o people_n with_o it_o what_o have_v every_o one_o the_o power_n of_o the_o sword_n among_o the_o people_n of_o the_o jew_n 2._o be_v their_o government_n democraticall_a or_o rather_o anarchicall_a have_v woman_n child_n and_o servant_n this_o power_n i_o grant_v you_o that_o in_o virtue_n of_o the_o law_n and_o their_o covenant_n they_o have_v all_o a_o hand_n in_o in_o the_o matter_n but_o not_o absolute_o but_o every_o man_n according_a to_o his_o vocation_n the_o king_n and_o magistrate_n as_o judge_n but_o the_o people_n only_o to_o execute_v according_a to_o their_o command_n neither_o be_v it_o credible_a that_o when_o a_o false_a prophet_n or_o a_o idolater_n be_v to_o be_v punish_v every_o one_o of_o the_o people_n be_v to_o judge_v he_o at_o his_o pleasure_n or_o to_o stone_n he_o to_o death_n neither_o contain_v these_o passage_n that_o you_o cite_v any_o such_o thing_n and_o therefore_o you_o do_v very_o cunning_o not_o to_o quote_v the_o word_n themselves_o whereupon_o you_o ground_n this_o conclusion_n and_o be_v this_o all_o the_o power_n and_o respect_v you_o give_v to_o the_o parliament_n and_o civil_a magistrate_n in_o

reference_n to_o the_o particular_a church_n then_o if_o the_o particular_a church_n be_v consider_v absolute_o they_o may_v be_v extrinsecall_v unto_o she_o since_o neither_o excommunication_n nor_o citation_n be_v exercise_v by_o she_o absolute_o at_o least_o ordinary_o 4._o if_o we_o consider_v a_o particular_a church_n in_o reference_n to_o the_o more_o general_n church_n viz._n under_o the_o notion_n of_o a_o part_n of_o the_o more_o general_n church_n then_o we_o may_v consider_v her_o either_o 1._o according_a to_o her_o first_o consent_n and_o covenant_n real_a or_o virtual_a whereby_o she_o join_v together_o in_o one_o consociation_n with_o many_o other_o particular_a church_n to_o make_v up_o together_o one_o class_n or_o synod_n the_o which_o consent_n precede_v the_o act_n of_o citation_n or_o excommunication_n and_o whereby_o the_o class_n or_o synod_n receive_v power_n to_o cite_v or_o excommunicate_v particular_a person_n or_o 2._o according_a to_o her_o consent_n in_o send_v her_o commissioner_n to_o the_o class_n or_o synod_n or_o 3._o according_a to_o her_o subsequent_a or_o concomitant_a dissent_n to_o the_o act_n of_o excommunication_n or_o citation_n 4._o if_o then_o she_o be_v consider_v according_a to_o her_o first_o covenant_n and_o consent_n or_o in_o the_o second_o i_o e._n in_o send_v her_o commissioner_n the_o act_n of_o citation_n and_o excommunication_n be_v voluntary_a and_o intrinsical_v to_o that_o particular_a church_n notwithstanding_o her_o subsequent_a or_o concomitant_a dissent_n for_o that_o act_n of_o citation_n and_o excommunication_n be_v do_v in_o virtue_n of_o such_o precedent_a consent_n which_o be_v her_o deed_n and_o very_o legal_a 5._o if_o the_o particular_a church_n be_v consider_v according_a to_o her_o subsequent_a or_o concomitant_a dissent_n these_o act_n be_v involuntary_a and_o extrinsecall_v to_o that_o particular_a church_n but_o such_o a_o dissent_n be_v not_o proper_o and_o formal_o a_o ecclesiastical_a act_n since_o it_o be_v not_o rule_v by_o any_o ecclesiastical_a rule_n of_o discipline_n but_o by_o private_a interest_n or_o passion_n which_o must_v ever_o give_v place_n to_o the_o weal_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n for_o as_o natural_a body_n may_v be_v consider_v either_o absolute_o or_o under_o the_o notion_n of_o a_o part_n which_o be_v for_o the_o whole_a and_o in_o the_o first_o notion_n they_o have_v their_o particular_a inclination_n and_o motion_n whereby_o they_o decline_v whatsoever_o be_v hurtful_a unto_o they_o as_o when_o the_o hand_n fly_v from_o a_o blow_n of_o a_o sword_n but_o under_o the_o second_o they_o be_v not_o lead_v by_o their_o own_o particular_a but_o by_o the_o general_a inclination_n and_o interest_n of_o the_o whole_a since_o part_n be_v not_o so_o much_o for_o themselves_o as_o for_o the_o whole_a and_o so_o it_o neglect_v its_o own_o particular_a good_a or_o interest_n for_o the_o weal_n or_o interest_n of_o the_o whole_a as_o when_o the_o hand_n for_o fear_v lest_o the_o head_n shall_v be_v cut_v off_o whereof_o may_v ensue_v the_o destruction_n of_o the_o whole_a man_n expose_v itself_o to_o the_o danger_n in_o receive_v the_o blow_n itself_o to_o save_v the_o whole_a so_o in_o political_a or_o ecclesiastical_a consociation_n particular_a town_n or_o church_n may_v be_v carry_v by_o their_o own_o interest_n to_o some_o particular_a dissent_n in_o some_o case_n but_o if_o they_o move_v regular_o sometime_o against_o their_o own_o interest_n they_o must_v consent_v against_o themselves_o according_a to_o the_o general_a inclination_n of_o the_o whole_a consociate_v body_n or_o church_n classical_a synodall_n etc._n etc._n 6._o if_o this_o argument_n hold_v it_o will_v conclude_v 1._o against_o that_o which_o be_v do_v by_o plurality_n of_o vote_n in_o their_o particular_a congregation_n for_o that_o which_o be_v conclude_v be_v against_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o minor_a part_n 2._o against_o that_o which_o be_v do_v in_o their_o synod_n by_o their_o messenger_n if_o they_o conclude_v against_o or_o without_o the_o consent_n of_o the_o church_n whereof_o they_o be_v messenger_n and_o 3._o against_o the_o parliament_n if_o they_o conclude_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o particular_a consent_n of_o particular_a town_n for_o they_o consent_v not_o thereunto_o and_o so_o what_o they_o conclude_v or_o do_v against_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v do_v by_o consent_n of_o the_o kingdom_n and_o so_o this_o man_n shall_v destroy_v the_o parliament_n and_o the_o pretend_a order_n of_o independent_o as_o well_o as_o that_o of_o protestant_n presbytery_n but_o m._n s._n tell_v we_o that_o so_o the_o classis_fw-la be_v like_a to_o the_o magistrate_n who_o be_v a_o bishop_n without_o and_o about_o the_o church_n answ_n 1._o i_o deny_v your_o simile_n for_o the_o magistrate_n power_n and_o act_n be_v only_o political_a and_o civil_a have_v no_o internal_a reference_n to_o citation_n or_o excommunication_n in_o quality_n of_o ecclesiastical_a act_n as_o that_o of_o the_o church_n and_o church_n officer_n which_o be_v ecclesiastical_a and_o this_o your_o quinqu_n '_o ecclesian_n minister_n acknowledge_v themselves_o when_o they_o tell_v we_o that_o the_o civil_a power_n be_v of_o another_o nature_n than_o the_o ecclesiastical_a obj._n but_o if_o the_o civil_a magistrate_n have_v this_o externall_n coactive_a power_n they_o must_v all_o have_v it_o as_o well_o pagan_n as_o christian_n but_o so_o it_o be_v not_o for_o a.s._n will_v not_o grant_v it_o to_o pagan_n ergo_fw-la none_o of_o they_o have_v it_o answ_n the_o assumption_n be_v false_a for_o i_o grant_v it_o to_o they_o all_o but_o not_o in_o the_o same_o manner_n to_o a_o pagan_a only_o in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la but_o to_o a_o true_a christian_a in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la i_o expound_v it_o in_o my_o annotation_n upon_o the_o apologetical_a narration_n m._n s._n scratch_n at_o this_o distinction_n 1._o as_o not_o good_a for_o say_v he_o i_o never_o hear_v of_o any_o thing_n belong_v to_o a_o person_n in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la but_o that_o belong_v to_o he_o and_o that_o per_fw-la prius_fw-la in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la he_o to_o who_o the_o principle_n or_o power_n of_o act_v do_v not_o belong_v can_v stand_v engage_v for_o the_o exercise_n of_o act_v such_o a_o power_n a._n s._n sir_n if_o you_o hear_v it_o not_o other_o yea_o of_o the_o best_a sort_n and_o able_a both_o divine_n and_o philosopher_n may_v have_v hear_v it_o for_o we_o have_v learn_v in_o the_o category_n of_o substantia_fw-la that_o substantiae_fw-la primae_fw-la maximè_fw-la propriè_fw-la substantiae_fw-la dicuntur_fw-la whereupon_o they_o ground_n this_o other_o maxim_n prima_fw-la substantia_fw-la magis_fw-la est_fw-la substantia_fw-la quam_fw-la secunda_fw-la and_o they_o say_v that_o it_o be_v magis_fw-la substantia_fw-la in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la sed_fw-la non_fw-la in_o signato_fw-la sed_fw-la contra_fw-la secunda_fw-la est_fw-la magis_fw-la substantia_fw-la quam_fw-la prima_fw-la in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la as_o all_o the_o philosopher_n who_o serve_v themselves_o with_o this_o distinction_n in_o the_o explication_n of_o that_o propriety_n of_o substance_n declare_v in_o that_o place_n 2._o it_o be_v also_o a_o error_n in_o you_o to_o think_v that_o in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la and_o exercito_fw-la be_v nothing_o else_o but_o actu_fw-la &_o potentia_fw-la 3._o put_v the_o case_n it_o be_v so_o and_o that_o whatever_o belong_v to_o any_o thing_n in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la belong_v to_o it_o in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la what_o be_v that_o to_o the_o purpose_n be_v not_o that_o enough_o to_o find_v a_o distinction_n upon_o wherever_o there_o be_v prius_fw-la and_o posterius_fw-la be_v there_o not_o there_o some_o distinction_n at_o least_o formal_a or_o modall_n if_o not_o real_a 4._o yea_o put_v the_o case_n the_o one_o part_n be_v real_o include_v in_o the_o other_o yet_o shall_v there_o ever_o be_v distinctio_fw-la includentis_fw-la &_o inclusi_fw-la 5._o and_o howsoever_o it_o be_v that_o what_o belong_v to_o a_o person_n in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la belong_v to_o he_o in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la yet_o what_o belong_v to_o a_o thing_n in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la belong_v not_o to_o it_o in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la neither_o say_v i_o that_o whatever_o belong_v to_o any_o thing_n in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la belong_v not_o to_o it_o also_o in_o actu_fw-la signato_fw-la where_o say_v i_o it_o i_o pray_v you_o or_o if_o i_o say_v it_o not_o wherefore_o beg_v you_o here_o a_o needless_a quarrel_n with_o i_o about_o it_o 2._o m._n s._n desire_v to_o know_v wherefore_o a_o power_n about_o the_o church_n and_o for_o the_o church_n shall_v not_o belong_v actual_o and_o in_o effect_n in_o actu_fw-la exercito_fw-la and_o jure_v in_o re_fw-la as_o well_o to_o a_o magistrate_n not_o yet_o true_o christian_n as_o to_o he_o that_o be_v such_o i._n e_o as_o well_o to_o a_o pagan_a as_o a_o christian_a a.s._n answ_n 1._o because_o be_v not_o yet_o a_o christian_a he_o be_v not_o a_o member_n

profess_v the_o true_a faith_n 3._o nor_o of_o every_o visible_a church_n of_o believer_n but_o of_o that_o which_o be_v compound_v of_o all_o its_o organical_a part_n viz._n preacher_n teacher_n rule_v elder_n deacon_n and_o flock_n 4._o it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v that_o this_o church_n be_v either_o real_a or_o representative_a we_o call_v real_a church_n those_o wherein_o such_o church_n officer_n and_o flock_n be_v real_o as_o in_o every_o parish_n provincial_n or_o nation_n church_n but_o a_o representative_a church_n be_v that_o wherein_o the_o real_a church_n be_v represent_v in_o her_o church_n officer_n as_o a_o presbytery_n session_n or_o consistory_n consist_v of_o the_o preacher_n and_o rule_v elder_n or_o the_o deacon_n also_o of_o a_o parish_n church_n gather_v together_o for_o order_v of_o church_n business_n in_o doctrine_n government_n or_o otherways_o who_o altogether_o represent_v the_o church_n of_o a_o parish_n a_o class_n that_o represent_v that_o of_o a_o class_n and_o judge_v of_o all_o the_o church_n business_n of_o one_o class_n a_o provincial_n synod_n which_o consist_v of_o the_o minister_n and_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o rule_v elder_n of_o one_o province_n represent_v all_o the_o real_a church_n of_o such_o a_o province_n in_o judge_v of_o church_n affair_n in_o that_o province_n and_o a_o nationall_n synod_n compound_v of_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o minister_n and_o ruling_n elder_n depute_v from_o all_o the_o province_n of_o the_o nation_n to_o judge_v of_o the_o church_n business_n in_o doctrine_n discipline_n etc._n etc._n which_o concern_v the_o whole_a church_n of_o such_o a_o nation_n or_o kingdom_n 2._o concern_v the_o subordination_n of_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n it_o be_v to_o be_v observe_v 1._o that_o a_o ecclesiastical_a judicatory_a be_v nothing_o else_o but_o a_o certain_a number_n of_o man_n gather_v together_o and_o endow_v with_o a_o authoritative_a power_n according_a to_o god_n will_v to_o judge_v of_o church_n business_n for_o god_n glory_n and_o the_o weal_n of_o the_o church_n or_o in_o a_o word_n the_o representative_a church_n of_o one_o parish_n class_n province_n nation_n or_o of_o all_o the_o world_n 2._o that_o subordination_n in_o ecclesiastical_a judicatories_n be_v a_o relation_n of_o order_n betwixt_o a_o superior_a and_o a_o inferior_a judicatory_a or_o representative_a church_n whereby_o the_o judgement_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o inferior_a depend_v upon_o the_o judgement_n and_o authority_n of_o the_o superior_a such_o we_o conceive_v to_o be_v betwixt_o presbytery_n and_o class_n class_n and_o provincial_n provincial_n and_o nationall_n nationall_n and_o ecumenical_a synod_n 3._o here_o it_o will_v be_v note_v that_o this_o subordination_n be_v ground_v upon_o the_o authoritative_a power_n of_o superior_a judicatories_n over_o their_o inferior_n or_o subordinate_v and_o therefore_o here_o be_v to_o be_v note_v first_o that_o this_o power_n of_o the_o church_n be_v not_o natural_a that_o flow_v from_o the_o nature_n or_o essence_n of_o the_o subject_a such_o as_o be_v the_o faculty_n of_o the_o soul_n nor_o habitual_a or_o a_o habitude_n either_o natural_o acquire_v by_o custom_n or_o supernatural_o infuse_v by_o grace_n for_o man_n may_v have_v all_o the_o natural_a faculty_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o many_o natural_a and_o supernatural_a habitude_n yea_o all_o those_o that_o be_v necessary_a for_o this_o authoritative_a power_n and_o yet_o not_o have_v it_o as_o any_o one_o may_v easy_o see_v in_o many_o learned_a and_o godly_a divine_n who_o be_v not_o minister_n of_o the_o church_n and_o consequent_o have_v no_o authoritative_a power_n in_o the_o church_n but_o it_o be_v a_o moral_a power_n ordinary_o call_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d or_o potestas_fw-la whereby_o in_o virtue_n of_o god_n ordinance_n the_o superior_a church_n have_v power_n over_o the_o inferior_n or_o other_o church_n subordinate_v unto_o she_o to_o rectify_v their_o judgement_n in_o case_n of_o aberration_n or_o to_o enjoin_v they_o any_o thing_n according_a to_o god_n holy_a ordinance_n so_o when_o particular_a church_n judge_v any_o thing_n amiss_o either_o in_o doctrine_n or_o discipline_n a_o class_n or_o a_o provincial_n synod_n may_v judge_v of_o that_o judgement_n and_o in_o case_n it_o find_v it_o have_v need_n may_v in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n command_v it_o to_o reform_v its_o judgement_n and_o in_o case_n of_o disobedience_n command_v the_o people_n not_o to_o obey_v their_o pastor_n or_o presbytery_n command_n or_o if_o there_o be_v any_o thing_n that_o concern_v the_o weal_n of_o all_o the_o church_n in_o the_o kingdom_n the_o nationall_n synod_n have_v a_o authoritative_a power_n to_o judge_v it_o and_o enjoin_v it_o upon_o the_o church_n in_o the_o name_n of_o god_n so_o may_v a_o provincial_n church_n do_v in_o thing_n concern_v all_o the_o church_n of_o a_o province_n i_o call_v a_o authoritative_a power_n that_o which_o 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