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eccl._n in_o fine_a write_v there_o be_v extant_a a_o public_a order_n publish_v in_o middelburgh_n anno_fw-la 1602._o agree_v with_o all_o the_o former_a
viz._n ministers-must_a be_v choose_v with_o the_o free_a consent_n of_o the_o elder_n and_o the_o whole_a congregation_n by_o the_o like_a authority_n as_o they_o be_v elect_v they_o may_v be_v depose_v but_o nothing_o herein_o must_v be_v attempt_v without_o the_o determination_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n what_o those_o synod_n be_v of_o who_o mr._n paget_n speak_v in_o pag._n 66._o who_o decree_v that_o particular_a congregation_n shall_v not_o practice_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n i_o do_v not_o yet_o know_v but_o this_o i_o know_v that_o no_o reform_a church_n have_v make_v this_o a_o article_n of_o their_o faith_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v certain_a if_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v it_o be_v only_o the_o invention_n of_o some_o particular_a man_n for_o conclusion_n now_o of_o this_o section_n howsoever_o i_o have_v alleidge_v the_o opinion_n of_o many_o learned_a man_n notwithstanding_o it_o be_v the_o word_n of_o god_n which_o i_o appeal_v unto_o for_o to_o have_v the_o matter_n in_o controversy_n betwixt_o we_o only_o try_v by_o and_o herein_o i_o do_v no_o more_o than_o other_o do_v which_o know_v they_o have_v the_o truth_n on_o their_o side_n namely_o to_o call_v their_o opposite_n unto_o the_o scripture_n and_o to_o require_v of_o they_o to_o stand_v unto_o the_o undeceiveable_a sentence_n and_o judgement_n thereof_o thus_o the_o protestant_n 1._o protestant_n d._n whita_n de_fw-fr cont_n qu._n 3_o c._n 3._o d._n morton_n apolo_n cath._n p._n 2._o l._n 1._o c._n 32._o sutclif_n def_n pont._n rom._n l._n 2._o c._n 9_o p._n 132._o b._n jew._n apo._n par_fw-fr 2._o c._n 5._o d._n 1._o do_v with_o the_o papist_n and_o the_o reformist_n rat_n reformist_n par._n pol._n eccl._n l._n 1._o c._n 24._o c_o dever_n eccl._n refor_o rat_n again_o with_o they_o and_o for_o this_o purpose_n have_v zanchy_a ‡_o a_o worthy_a speech_n in_o his_o writing_n unto_o d._n knoll_v all_o thing_n touch_v worship_n and_o discipline_n aught_o to_o be_v examine_v not_o by_o the_o uncertain_a rule_n of_o human_n judgement_n but_o by_o the_o touchstone_n of_o divine_a scripture_n section_n ix_o that_o those_o who_o have_v read_v mr._n pagets_n book_n may_v not_o think_v that_o i_o have_v purposely_o omit_v any_o thing_n his_o jest_n slander_n and_o unchristian_a term_n except_v which_o carry_v with_o it_o the_o show_n of_o any_o matter_n touch_v the_o main_a point_n in_o question_n i_o have_v think_v good_a in_o this_o section_n to_o set_v down_o some_o brief_a answer_n unto_o certain_a colourable_a or_o rather_o carnal_a pretence_n which_o he_o use_v in_o the_o defence_n of_o himself_o and_o cause_n his_o first_o reason_n be_v this_o if_o particular_a preface_n particular_a preface_n congregation_n shall_v not_o stand_v under_o any_o other_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o manifold_a disorder_n confusion_n and_o dissipation_n of_o church_n will_v follow_v answ_n 1._o when_o god_n have_v establish_v a_o order_n for_o the_o administration_n of_o his_o own_o house_n what_o presumption_n of_o man_n dare_v change_v it_o think_v he_o that_o he_o be_v wise_a than_o the_o almighty_a and_o can_v by_o his_o foolish_a way_n and_o devise_v bring_v more_o peace_n and_o profit_n to_o god_n house_n than_o the_o way_n of_o the_o all_o wise_a god_n but_o what_o will_v not_o dust_n and_o ash_n presume_v to_o do_v against_o his_o maker_n and_o that_o with_o show_n of_o conveniency_n and_o to_o correct_v and_o reform_v that_o which_o they_o conceive_v to_o be_v imperfect_a in_o his_o do_n but_o it_o seem_v in_o the_o mean_a time_n that_o these_o little_a consider_v how_o straight_o the_o lord_n have_v forbid_v such_o practice_n and_o what_o dreadful_a plague_n he_o threaten_v against_o man_n for_o it_o as_o mr._n paget_n therefore_o wish_v other_o to_o take_v heed_n what_o new_a form_n of_o church_n and_o church-gouvernment_a preface_n preface_n they_o frame_v unto_o themselves_o or_o command_v unto_o other_o so_o i_o desire_v that_o he_o himself_o will_v make_v a_o profitable_a use_n of_o his_o own_o counsel_n 2._o be_v it_o well_o consider_v that_o god_n always_o abhor_v all_o good_a intentes_fw-la of_o man_n that_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o good_a pleasure_n of_o his_o will_n reveal_v in_o his_o word_n the_o church_n say_v whitaker_n 16._o whitaker_n de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n count_v 4._o qu._n 1._o p._n 16._o must_v not_o be_v gouvern_v as_o the_o wit_n of_o man_n think_v fit_a but_o as_o christ_n the_o lord_n and_o king_n thereof_o will_v have_v it_o 3._o this_o objection_n take_v here_o up_o by_o mr._n paget_n be_v the_o very_a same_o which_o the_o papist_n and_o those_o that_o way_n affect_v use_v for_o to_o have_v ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o presbyter_n reject_v and_o their_o own_o popish_a hierarchy_n everywhere_o receive_v and_o practise_v viz._n because_o the_o put_n by_o of_o the_o late_a tend_v etc._n tend_v sarav_fw-mi de_fw-mi tripli_v epis_fw-la in_o prologue_n sand._n the_o visibl_n monar_n l._n 5._o c._n 4._o scult_v hier._n anarc_n l._n 10._o c._n 20._o l._n 11.119.137_o etc._n etc._n unto_o all_o mischief_n and_o the_o establish_n of_o the_o former_a 164_o former_a whitg_n tract_n 3._o c._n 4_o div_o 4._o &_o divis_fw-la 8._o pag._n 169._o loe_o compl_a chu_n p._n 164_o cause_v uproar_n in_o the_o church_n dissipate_v it_o and_o overthrow_v all_o good_a order_n therein_o 4._o if_o particular_a congregation_n must_v loose_v their_o right_n and_o power_n because_o of_o the_o offence_n which_o some_o man_n have_v commit_v in_o the_o exercise_n thereof_o then_o sure_o by_o the_o same_o reason_n if_o mr._n pagets_n reason_n be_v worth_a any_o thing_n ought_v class_n and_o synod_n to_o lay_v down_o that_o superior_a authority_n which_o they_o have_v take_v over_o many_o church_n because_o they_o in_o many_o thing_n many_o time_n have_v offend_v in_o and_o about_o the_o execution_n and_o this_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o good_a christian_n will_v deny_v i_o can_v give_v divers_a instance_n for_o it_o but_o it_o need_v not_o only_o it_o be_v not_o amiss_o to_o set_v down_o nazianzen_n proc._n nazianzen_n epist_n 42._o ad_fw-la proc._n word_n who_o be_v a_o elder_a or_o bishop_n i_o be_o mind_v say_v he_o to_o shun_v all_o assembly_n of_o bishop_n because_o i_o never_o see_v any_o good_a event_n in_o any_o council_n that_o do_v not_o rather_o increase_v then_o diminish_v our_o evil_n their_o contention_n and_o ambition_n pass_v my_o speech_n whither_o thing_n be_v better_o carry_v now_o than_o they_o be_v in_o his_o time_n i_o will_v not_o nor_o be_o able_a to_o judge_v 5._o if_o the_o infirmity_n of_o the_o people_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o take_v away_o their_o liberty_n in_o practise_v among_o themselves_o all_o god_n ordinance_n then_o the_o contrary_a virtue_n which_o oftentimes_o have_v be_v find_v in_o they_o as_o instay_v the_o rage_n of_o the_o scribe_n and_o pharisy_n 3.26_o pharisy_n mat._n 21.26_o act._n 3.26_o in_o prefer_v sincere_a christian_n before_o arrian_n 7._o arrian_n zezo_n l._n 7._o c._n 7._o and_o be_v themselves_o sound_a in_o the_o faith_n 7._o faith_n theod_n l._n 2._o cap._n 7._o when_o their_o minister_n have_v be_v heretic_n be_v a_o good_a reason_n to_o maintain_v their_o liberty_n still_o another_o thing_n which_o he_o talk_v much_o off_o 72._o pag._n 72._o be_v that_o the_o power_n which_o the_o classis_fw-la exercise_v be_v ancient_a and_o hence_o name_v it_o the_o old_a beat_a path_n 105._o pag._n 105._o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o sundry_a error_n be_v as_o ancient_a as_o the_o apostle_n time_n yea_o begin_v before_o the_o most_o famous_a church_n in_o the_o world_n be_v plant_v therefore_o as_o cyprian_n 63._o cyprian_n epist._n 63._o say_v we_o must_v not_o regard_v what_o any_o other_o do_v before_o we_o or_o think_v fit_a to_o be_v do_v but_o what_o christ_n do_v who_o be_v before_o all_o 2._o howsoever_o mr._n paget_n for_o the_o credit_n of_o his_o cause_n name_v it_o the_o old_a and_o ancient_a discipline_n yet_o sure_o i_o be_o to_o prove_v it_o so_o he_o never_o will_v nor_o can_v there_o be_v many_o and_o i_o think_v he_o know_v it_o which_o do_v affirm_v that_o the_o ecclesiastical_a gouvernment_n by_o class_n and_o synod_n be_v a_o weed_n that_o grow_v many_o year_n after_o the_o apostle_n a_o late_a devise_n 387_o devise_n bilson_n perp_v gouver_fw-fr c._n 16._o p._n 387_o and_o that_o in_o all_o antiquity_n there_o do_v not_o appear_v any_o one_o step_v thereof_o 138._o thereof_o sutclif_n discipl_n c._n 8._o p._n 138._o also_o that_o at_o geneva_n subject_v of_o church_n to_o this_o order_n first_o begin_v 94._o begin_v brancroft_n surv_v c._n 22._o p._n 353._o comp._n ch._n p._n 91._o 93._o 94._o and_o before_o calvin_n come_v there_o every_o congregation_n be_v free_a in_o itself_o pref._n itself_o hooke_n ecc._n polit._n pref._n touch_v these_o
then_o to_o apply_v act._n 20.28_o to_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n whereas_o paul_n appoint_v the_o ephesian_a elder_n unto_o the_o care_n and_o charge_v only_o of_o their_o own_o particular_a congregation_n and_o no_o further_o it_o follow_v necessary_o this_o be_v write_v for_o our_o imitation_n that_o every_o minister_n under_o the_o gospel_n be_v to_o contain_v himself_o altogether_o within_o the_o bound_n and_o circuit_n of_o his_o own_o church_n and_o not_o to_o exercise_v any_o act_n of_o his_o ministry_n otherwhere_o for_o to_o do_v it_o be_v mere_o intrusion_n and_o a_o take_n of_o to_o much_o upon_o he_o 7.24_o 1._o cor._n 7.24_o therefore_o let_v every_o man_n wherein_o he_o be_v call_v therein_o abide_v with_o god_n else_o other_o will_v be_v injure_v good_a order_n break_v scandal_n raise_v and_o the_o doer_n severe_o punish_v for_o his_o irregular_a walk_n observe_v again_o how_o mr._n paget_n make_v use_v of_o the_o papist_n argument_n for_o thus_o write_v scultingius_n the_o calvinist_n say_v he_o object_n that_o the_o authority_n of_o bishop_n and_o archbishop_n be_v not_o from_o the_o apostle_n 79._o hierarch_n l._n 10._o p._n 79._o because_o act._n 15._o the_o controversy_n there_o be_v not_o confirm_v by_o they_o but_o by_o the_o whole_a church_n now_o mark_v how_o pretty_o he_o answer_v to_o it_o this_o will_v not_o follow_v for_o the_o authority_n of_o bishop_n &_o archbishop_n may_v be_v exercise_v at_o other_o time_n in_o the_o apostle_n day_n although_o then_o it_o be_v not_o thus_o he_o draw_v out_o antichrist_n sword_n against_o we_o only_o he_o put_v a_o new_a scabbard_n upon_o it_o his_o three_o answer_n be_v that_o pastor_n and_o teacher_n be_v bind_v to_o exercise_v some_o act_n of_o their_o ministry_n towards_o those_o who_o be_v no_o member_n of_o their_o church_n and_o why_o so_o because_o they_o ought_v to_o invite_v and_o call_v other_o even_o those_o that_o be_v without_o prov._n 9.3.4.5_o mat._n 28.19.20_o answ_n 1._o i_o will_v willing_o know_v of_o he_o whither_o his_o office_n be_v so_o with_o he_o and_o always_o about_o he_o that_o he_o can_v perform_v some_o good_a action_n but_o they_o must_v needs_o be_v action_n of_o his_o ministry_n i_o and_o other_o be_v otherwise_o mind_v our_o reason_n be_v because_o we_o be_v tell_v that_o as_o a_o man_n and_o wife_n a_o father_n and_o child_n so_o a_o pastor_n and_o a_o flock_n be_v relative_n now_o in_o my_o understanding_n as_o i_o be_o a_o father_n i_o exercise_v no_o proper_a act_n of_o a_o father_n but_o towards_o my_o own_o child_n what_o good_a soever_o i_o do_v to_o other_o it_o can_v proper_o be_v say_v to_o be_v the_o act_n of_o a_o father_n but_o rather_o of_o a_o friend_n a_o neighbour_n a_o christian_a etc._n etc._n now_o let_v he_o make_v further_a application_n of_o it_o 2._o for_o his_o two_o scripture_n 1._o mat._n 28.19.20_o be_v very_o unskilful_o quote_v for_o howsoever_o the_o apostle_n exercise_v some_o act_n of_o their_o ministry_n towards_o man_n without_o yet_o this_o prove_v not_o that_o ordinary_a minister_n may_v do_v so_o too_o but_o only_o a_o thing_n so_o conceit_v of_o he_o the_o other_o place_n be_v answer_v before_o 4._o he_o say_v that_o a_o pastor_n may_v administer_v the_o sacrament_n both_o of_o baptism_n and_o the_o lord_n supper_n in_o neighbour_n church_n and_o this_o he_o say_v he_o have_v prove_v against_o mr._n ainsworth_n in_o arr._n pag._n 17.18_o and_o again_o from_o pag._n 109._o to_o 114._o answ_n 1._o as_o parent_n love_v their_o own_o child_n because_o they_o beget_v they_o how_o ill-favoured_a and_o black_a soever_o they_o be_v so_o mr._n paget_n in_o this_o place_n applaud_v his_o old_a writing_n because_o they_o be_v the_o invention_n of_o his_o own_o head_n i_o have_v 3_o or_o 4_o time_n read_v the_o place_n over_o and_o i_o do_v assure_v thou_o reader_n i_o find_v not_o any_o thing_n there_o prove_v of_o which_o he_o here_o so_o vain_o boast_v for_o either_o he_o take_v that_o 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nothing_o but_o visible_a christianity_n but_o to_o the_o other_o as_o there_o must_v be_v visible_a christianity_n so_o likewise_o a_o foregoing_a join_n of_o faithful_a people_n together_o in_o a_o spiritual_a outward_a society_n or_o body_n politic_a and_o unless_o this_o thing_n be_v strict_o observe_v there_o will_v follow_v many_o absurdity_n and_o great_a confusion_n this_o may_v be_v further_o illustrate_v by_o a_o similitude_n take_v from_o a_o corporation_n 2._o ephes_n 2._o to_o which_o the_o church_n of_o god_n be_v sometime_o compare_v we_o know_v that_o many_o who_o be_v no_o member_n thereof_o be_v man_n of_o good_a life_n peaceable_a quiet_a profitable_a worthy_a and_o fit_a enough_o to_o be_v of_o the_o company_n notwithstanding_o they_o partake_v not_o in_o the_o privilege_n of_o the_o freedom_n until_o themselves_o by_o due_a order_n be_v become_v freeman_n argument_n ii_o to_o use_v those_o way_n and_o invention_n in_o worship_v god_n which_o be_v not_o command_v of_o god_n in_o his_o word_n be_v unlawful_a but_o god_n have_v not_o command_v in_o his_o word_n that_o any_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n shall_v baptize_v such_o infant_n who_o parent_n be_v without_o therefore_o it_o be_v unlawful_a to_o do_v it_o the_o first_o part_n of_o this_o reason_n be_v certain_a by_o the_o whole_a course_n of_o the_o scripture_n psal_n 119.113_o deut._n 12.8_o 1._o sam._n 15.22.23_o hos_fw-la 6.6_o leu._n 10.1.2_o mich._n 7.18_o jer._n 5.31_o 2._o chr._n 26.17.18.19.21_o num._n 3.4_o mar._n 7.8.9_o col_fw-fr 2.8.9_o mat._n 15.2_o to_o 12._o beside_o this_o be_v the_o constant_a sentence_n of_o all_o the_o ancient_a father_n as_o they_o be_v term_v &_o our_o late_a best_o divine_n to_o wit_n that_o nothing_o be_v to_o be_v receive_v or_o approve_a in_o religion_n which_o can_v be_v prove_v &_o confirm_v by_o the_o word_n of_o god_n and_o therefore_o all_o tradition_n administration_n good_a intent_n and_o devise_n of_o man_n without_o approbation_n this_o way_n as_o vain_a hurtful_a and_o superstitious_a thing_n be_v to_o be_v reject_v thus_o write_v tertullian_n mar._n tertullian_n lib._n 4._o con_v mar._n origen_n ler._n origen_n hom._n 3._o in_o ler._n cyprian_n 3._o cyprian_n l._n 2._o ep._n 3._o basil_n 14._o basil_n moral_a sum._n c._n 14._o augustine_n paulin._n augustine_n epist_n 59_o ad_fw-la paulin._n chrisostom_n act._n chrisostom_n hom._n 39_o in_o act._n hilary_n 12._o hilary_n in_o mat._n cap._n 12._o eusaebeus_n 10._o eusaebeus_n li._n 5._o c._n 10._o theophilact_n 7._o theophilact_n in_o 1._o cor._n cap._n 7._o luther_n cap_a luther_n l._n de_fw-fr bab._n cap_a erasmus_n 11._o erasmus_n annot._n in_o mat._n 11._o zanchy_n 4_o zanchy_n in_o praec_fw-la 4_o simler_n 42._o simler_n de_fw-fr duab_n nat_n christ._n p._n 42._o d._n whitaker_n 5._o whitaker_n cont._n 4._o qu._n 5._o mr._n brinsley_n 28._o brinsley_n true_a watch_n p._n 28._o and_o other_o the_o second_o part_n of_o this_o reason_n be_v as_o clear_a as_o the_o sun_n 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a_o sound_a truth_n by_o many_o writer_n viz._n polanus_fw-la 51._o polanus_fw-la synta_n li._n 6._o c._n 51._o d._n ames_n 232._o ames_n de_fw-fr consc_fw-fr l._n 4._o c._n 27._o pag._n 232._o guilliandus_n 4._o guilliandus_n comm._n in_o rom._n 4._o v._n 4._o mr._n bifeild_n 57_o bifeild_n col._n 2._o v._n 12._o p._n 57_o the_o douai_n translator_n 15._o translator_n annot._n on_o gen._n 17._o &_o exod._n 15._o and_o other_o and_o in_o special_a excellent_o paraeus_n baptism_n say_v he_o 14._o he_o comm._n in_o 1._o cor._n 7._o 14._o be_v a_o worthy_a privilege_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o child_n thereof_o whereby_o they_o be_v decern_v from_o the_o child_n of_o unbeliever_n because_o they_o be_v repute_v from_o the_o womb_n in_o the_o holis_fw-la covenant_n with_o their_o parent_n and_o therefore_o be_v baptism_n the_o sign_n of_o the_o covenant_n give_v they_o argument_n v._o what_o act_n soever_o god_n promise_v not_o to_o bless_v that_o may_v not_o be_v do_v but_o he_o promise_v not_o to_o bless_v the_o promiscuous_a baptise_v in_o question_n therefore_o it_o may_v not_o be_v do_v the_o second_o part_n be_v only_o controversall_a which_o i_o manifest_a thus_o if_o there_o be_v no_o precept_n nor_o example_n for_o it_o in_o holy_a record_n then_o there_o be_v no_o promise_n of_o blessing_n make_v to_o it_o but_o the_o first_o be_v true_a therefore_o the_o second_o the_o premise_n of_o both_o part_n be_v so_o evident_a as_o that_o to_o use_v another_o man_n arg._n man_n mr._n brad._n 12._o arg._n word_n he_o have_v no_o blood_n of_o shame_n run_v in_o his_o vein_n that_o will_v deny_v they_o unto_o the_o former_a reason_n these_o further_a may_v be_v add_v 1._o though_o i_o believe_v as_o augustine_n jerem._n augustine_n epist._n 28._o ad_fw-la jerem._n cyprian_n hid._n cyprian_n epist._n ad_fw-la hid._n cirill_n 8._o cirill_n comment_fw-fr in_o leu._n c._n 8._o origine_fw-la rom._n origine_fw-la comm._n on_o rom._n nazianzene_n lava_n nazianzene_n in_o orat._n in_o s._n lava_n ambrose_n 11_o ambrose_n l._n 2._o de_fw-fr abrah_n c._n 11_o and_o many_o other_o of_o the_o father_n affirm_v that_o the_o church_n have_v receive_v the_o baptism_n of_o infant_n from_o the_o apostle_n notwithstand_v this_o kind_n in_o question_n from_o the_o beginning_n be_v not_o so_o but_o a_o invention_n late_o take_v up_o some_o say_v boniface_n iv_o in_o the_o year_n 606._o bring_v it_o on_o foot_n other_o think_v it_o be_v not_o so_o ancient_a 2._o whereunto_o tend_v it_o but_o to_o induce_v the_o ignorant_a to_o conceive_v with_o the_o papist_n a_o absolute_a necessity_n of_o baptism_n 6.5.14_o baptism_n rhem._n on_o rom._n 6.5.14_o that_o the_o work_v do_v please_v god_n 22.5.1_o god_n id._n act._n 22.5.1_o put_v away_o original_a sin_n 3._o sin_n aqui._n 2._o sen._n do_v 3._o make_v the_o infant_n a_o christian_a and_o a_o member_n 139._o member_n bellar_n de_fw-fr eccl._n mil._n l._n 3._o c._n 3._o p._n 139._o of_o the_o church_n justify_v he_o 9_o he_o rhem._n in_o rom._n 6._o sect._n 1_o pererius_n in_o rom._n 6._o disp_n 2._o annot_v 9_o and_o that_o if_o he_o die_v without_o it_o he_o can_v be_v save_v paradox_n save_v duraeus_n lib._n 8._o the_o paradox_n 3._o this_o custom_n hinder_v many_o parent_n from_o embrace_v the_o way_n and_o order_n of_o the_o gospel_n and_o cause_v they_o as_o mr._n davenport_n 6._o davenport_n iust._n compl._n pag._n 6._o true_o say_v to_o live_v and_o die_v libertine_n 4._o by_o this_o mean_v god_n name_n be_v take_v in_o vain_a 106._o vain_a fenner_n princip_n relig._n p._n 96._o and_o 106._o 5._o and_o the_o holy_a sacrament_n great_o abuse_v mal._n 1.7.12_o heb._n 10.29_o 6._o the._n church_n of_o god_n defile_v hag._n 2.14.15_o ezech._n 44.7_o 172._o 44.7_o necs_n disc_fw-la p._n 95._o plain_a declarat_fw-la of_o eccl._n discip_n p._n 172._o 7._o the_o minister_n a_o breaker_n of_o his_o covenant_n mal._n 2.8_o last_o divine_a wrath_n hence_o just_o may_v
2_o sect_n 4._o excommunication_n precise_o and_o chief_o pertain_v to_o the_o church_n and_o that_o she_o have_v authority_n to_o commit_v the_o execution_n thereof_o to_o some_o special_a person_n for_o that_o purpose_n and_o choose_v for_o that_o end_n to_o the_o same_o effect_n willet_n 2._o willet_n synop_n count_v 4._o qu._n 4_o p._n 2._o and_o tailor_n 712._o tailor_n comm._n on_o tit._n ch_z 3._o v._n 10._o p._n 712._o say_v that_o excommunication_n be_v the_o common_a action_n of_o the_o church_n and_o not_o of_o any_o private_a person_n or_o person_n what_o more_o obvious_a and_o clear_a by_o these_o man_n testimony_n then_o that_o every_o particular_a congregation_n have_v power_n full_o in_o itself_o to_o perform_v all_o god_n ordinance_n but_o have_v not_o mr._n paget_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n just_a cause_n to_o blush_v who_o deny_v to_o the_o church_n of_o god_n that_o due_a power_n which_o the_o learned_a of_o all_o profession_n do_v grant_v unto_o she_o for_o the_o nonconformist_n i_o have_v already_o show_v that_o they_o consent_v full_o with_o we_o 23._o pag._n 23._o notwithstanding_o some_o thing_n more_o i_o will_v here_o speak_v of_o they_o and_o the_o rather_o because_o time_n be_v when_o mr._n paget_n do_v esteem_v they_o to_o be_v a_o multitude_n of_o godly_a and_o learned_a minister_n and_o be_v or_o at_o least_o make_v a_o show_n he_o be_v of_o their_o judgement_n and_o practice_n he_o that_o read_v the_o controversy_n between_o downame_n and_o the_o replyer_n shall_v there_o see_v this_o very_a point_n betwixt_o mr._n paget_n and_o we_o large_o handle_v the_o doctor_n stout_o maintain_v mr._n paget_n position_n viz._n that_o particular_a church_n be_v dependent_a and_o stand_v under_o another_o ecclesiastical_a authority_n out_o of_o themselves_o the_o other_o say_v otherwise_o and_o often_o affirm_v 104._o affirm_v li._n 2._o par_fw-fr 2._o p._n 104._o that_o the_o administration_n of_o all_o church-matter_n at_o first_o be_v in_o 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pag._n 15.16_o mr._n udall_n 24.25_o udall_n demonst._n discipl_n pag._n 24.25_o etc._n etc._n in_o the_o english_a church_n at_o frankford_n in_o queen_n mary_n day_n it_o be_v agree_v upon_o that_o 115._o that_o discourse_v of_o troub_v frank._n pag._n 115._o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n several_o and_o joint_o shall_v have_v no_o authority_n to_o make_v any_o manner_n of_o decree_n or_o ordinance_n to_o bind_v the_o congregation_n or_o any_o member_n thereof_o but_o shall_v execute_v such_o ordinance_n as_o shall_v be_v make_v by_o the_o congregation_n and_o to_o they_o deliver_v again_o none_o shall_v be_v excommunicate_v until_o the_o matter_n be_v first_o hear_a by_o the_o whole_a church_n that_o the_o minister_n and_o seniors_n and_o every_o of_o they_o be_v subject_a to_o ecclesiastical_a discipline_n as_o other_o private_a member_n of_o the_o church_n be_v neither_o shall_v mr._n hooker_n 11._o hooker_n in_o his_o answer_n to_o mr._n pagets_n 20._o quest_n answ_n 11._o 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we_o up_o into_o the_o air_n he_o care_v not_o