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A47813 The casuist uncas'd, in a dialogue betwixt Richard and Baxter, with a moderator between them, for quietnesse sake by Roger L'Estrange. L'Estrange, Roger, Sir, 1616-1704. 1680 (1680) Wing L1209; ESTC R233643 73,385 86

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tribe_n be_v draw_v by_o jeroboa●_n to_o sin_n by_o set_v up_o calf_n at_o dan_n in_o bethel_n and_o make_v priest_n of_o the_o vile_a of_o the_o people_n and_o forsake_v the_o temple_n and_o the_o true_a worship_n of_o god_n and_o the_o lawful_a priest_n and_o these_o lawful_a priest_n at_o jerusalem_n be_v raven_v wolf_n and_o greed●_n dog_n and_o careless_a and_o cruel_a shepherd_n the_o false_a pro_n phet_n who_o deceive_v the_o people_n be_v most_o accept_v ch_n diu._n pa._n 35._o ●6_n 37_o and_o if_o you_o run_v through_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n corinth_n galatia_n colosse_n ephesus_n pergamus_n thyatira_n sardis_n laodicea_n pa._n 39.40.41_o you_o will_v find_v it_o to_o be_v the_o same_o case_n mo._n but_o what_o be_v your_o end_n in_o all_o this_o ba._n not_o to_o make_v sin_n less_o odious_a nor_o the_o church_n or_o godly_a less_o esteem_v but_o to_o show_v you_o the_o frame_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n church_n in_o all_o generation_n and_o how_o it_o differ_v from_o the_o jewish_a lest_o you_o shall_v take_v on_o you_o to_o be_v wise_a than_o god_n and_o to_o build_v his_o house_n after_o a_o better_a rule_n than_o his_o gospel_n and_o the_o primitive_a pattern_n ibid._n pa._n 36._o mo._n this_o be_v by_o interpretation_n the_o nonconformist_n be_v the_o invisible_a church_n visib●●_n and_o the_o episcopal_a clergy_n be_v the_o raven_a wolf_n and_o the_o greedy_a dog_n and_o all_o the_o son_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v the_o church_n visible_a according_a to_o your_o most_o oblige_a way_n of_o allusion_n but_o there_o be_v one_o thing_n i_o forget_v you_o say_v the_o presbyterian_o do_v not_o begin_v the_o war_n which_o with_o your_o favour_n be_v a_o great_a mistake_n and_o yet_o not_o a_o pin_n matter_n to_o the_o case_n in_o question_n whether_o they_o do_v or_o not_o do_v not_o the_o kirk_n lead_v the_o dance_n and_o
these_o twenty_o year_n against_o the_o king_n or_o state_n nonconformist_n unless_o it_o be_v our_o crime_n to_o live_v under_o reproach_n and_o scorn_v and_o poverty_n and_o sometime_o imprisonment_n and_o never_o once_o so_o much_o as_o petition_v a_o parliament_n either_o to_o pity_v we_o or_o to_o hear_v we_o once_o speak_v for_o ourselves_o etc._n etc._n ibid._n if_o any_o odd_a person_n or_o whosoever_o have_v say_v or_o do_v any_o thing_n against_o the_o king_n or_o kingdom_n or_o their_o neighbour_n right_o or_o peace_n or_o have_v be_v guilty_a of_o any_o fraud_n drunkenness_n perjury_n or_o immorality_n beside_o their_o vnavoidable_a nonconformity_n let_v they_o be_v punish_v as_o the_o law_n require_v but_o let_v not_o the_o innocent_a yea_o thousand_o be_v slander_v and_o design_v to_o destruction_n for_o them_o ibid._n mo._n if_o you_o speak_v of_o the_o nonconformist_n they_o have_v justify_v from_o sixty_o to_o eighty_o revive_v all_o the_o indignity_n that_o be_v put_v 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your_o self_n for_o you_o be_v neither_o a_o presbyterian_a nor_o a_o independent_a nor_o a_o anabaptist_n nor_o of_o any_o tribe_n of_o the_o division_n that_o ever_o yet_o have_v a_o nam●_n to_o be_v know_v by_o but_o a_o pure_a original_a and_o a_o ●●ristian_a of_o your_o own_o make_n you_o have_v second_o as_o peculiar_a a_o conscience_n too_o that_o have_v rather_o leap_v a_o precipice_n then_o keep_v the_o king_n highway_n it_o rise_v and_o fall_v like_o a_o weatherglass_n upon_o change_n of_o air_n and_o make_v st._n paul_n blow_v hot_a or_o cold_a at_o pleasure_n let_v every_o soul_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o high_a power_n require_v obedience_n to_o dick_n cromwell_n upon_o pain_n of_o damnation_n and_o disobedience_n to_o charles_n the_o first_o upon_o the_o same_o penalty_n as_o we_o have_v have_v it_o already_o and_o then_o you_o have_v this_o further_a advantage_n pop●_n sir_n that_o you_o be_v your_o own_o king_n and_o your_o own_o pope_n you_o prescribe_v your_o own_o law_n and_o grant_v your_o own_o pardon_n ba._n you_o may_v prate_v as_o long_o as_o you_o will_n i_o be_o against_o the_o impose_v of_o mystical_a ceremony_n as_o cross_v or_o surplice_n etc._n etc._n ceremony_n five_o disp._n pa._n 467._o for_o to_o impose_v new_a symbolical_a rite_n upon_o the_o church_n which_o christ_n have_v not_o impose_v do_v seem_v to_o i_o a_o usurpation_n of_o his_o sovereign_a power_n ibid._n and_o to_o accuse_v christ_n of_o ignorance_n or_o negligence_n in_o that_o he_o himself_o have_v not_o impose_v they_o and_o so_o do_v it_o imply_v a_o accusation_n of_o his_o law_n and_o of_o the_o holy_a scripture_n as_o if_o they_o be_v insufficient_a ibid._n 468._o and_n these_o imposition_n seem_v to_o be_v plain_a violation_n ●f_o these_o prohibition_n of_o god_n in_o which_o we_o be_v forbid_v to_o add_v to_o his_o worship_n or_o diminish_v from_o it_o 469._o and_o moreover_o god_n have_v already_o give_v we_o so_o perfect_a a_o directory_n for_o his_o 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