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A18390 A manual of controuersies wherin the Catholique Romane faith in all the cheefe pointes of controuersies of these daies is proued by holy Scripture. By A.C.S. Champney, Anthony, 1569?-1643? 1614 (1614) STC 4958; ESTC S113898 48,459 178

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tell the churche therfore must it of necessitie be apparent and visible 5. The Churche consistethe of Pastores and sheepe Superiors or rulers and subiectes And he gaue some Apostles and some Prophetes and other some Euangelistes other some pastores and Doctores Are all Appostles are all Prophetes are all Doctores But superiores and subiectes must be Knowne to one another as also Pastores and they re sheepe Therfore must the Churche of necessitie be visible and apparent Protestantes posit The true Church of god is not necessarily visible nor apparent ether to the faithfull beleeuers that are in it or to heretiques and those that are out of it This position must the Protestantes also proue and defend though directly against the holy Scriptures vnless they will confess their church not to be the true Church as if the Scriptures be true it cannot be seeinge that before Luther it ether was not at all or was inuisible and therfore no true church of Christ Catholique Positi The true church of Christ can neuer want à lawfull personall succession of Pastors from her first institution till the end of the world Proofe 1. And he gaue some Apostles and some Prophets and othersome Euangelistes and othersome pastores and Doctores To the consummation of the saintes vnto the worke of the ministerie vnto the edifyinge of the bodye of Christ Vntill we meete all in the vnitie of faythe Loe here Pastores giuen for the Churche till all meete in vnite of faythe which is till the ende of the worde 2. Goinge teache all nationes baptiseinge them in the name of the Father c. and behoulde I am with you all dayes euen to the consummation of the worlde Loe here Christ promiseth to be with the pastores of the Churche whom he sendethe all dayes till the ende therfore there shall alwayes be pastores 3 For thy Fathers there are borne sonnes to thee thou shalt make them princes ouer all the earthe Vnderstoode by S. Augustine of the successione of pastores in the churche Sayinge The Apostles begott thee ô Christian Churche they were sent they preached they are thy fathers But could they bee alwayes corporally with vs could any of them tarye here till this tyme could they tarie till the time yet to come But was therfore the Churche left desolate by theyr departure God forbidd For thy fathers sonnsare borne to thee what is this for thy fathers sonnes are borne to thee The Aposstles were sēt fathers inplace of the Aposstles sonnes are borne to the Bishoppes are appointed For whence were the Bishoppes borne that are att this daye in the worlde the church her selfe callethe them fathers shee begate them and appoynted them in the seates of the fathers Doe not therfore think thyself desolate O Christiā church because thou seest not Peter seest not Paule for thou seest not them by whome thou wast borne but of thyn issue fatherhoode is spronge to thee For thy fathers sonnes are borne to thee thou shalt make them princes ouer all the earthe This is the Catholique church Her children are made princes ouer all the earthe her sonnes are constituted for fathers lett them acknowledge this that are cut of let them come to the vnitie be they brought into the temple of the kinge Thus S. Augustin prote pos The true church of Christe may be without a lawfull personnall succession of Pastores This position they must alsoe proué or ells theyr church cannot be anie true churche For they cannot shew any Pastores of theyr religion before Luther to whom he succeeded Catho pos This lawfull succession of Pastores in gods churche is not withovt consecration and authenticall mission or sendinge by an ordinarye power residing in the churche Proofe 1. when they S. S. Paule and Barnabas had ordayned to them Priestes in eueri churche and had prayed with fastinge they commended them to our lord in whom they beleeued 2. Nether doth any man take the honoure of priesthoode to himself but he that is called of god as Aaron Note that if Luther Caluī and Beza with the rest who say they are called of god as Aaron can shewe the like proofes of they re calling that Aaron did and besides the externall consecratiō which he also had notwithstanding his internall callinge of god they shal be beleeued to haue godes caling Tough Aaron being the first of his order and therfore could not haue his callinge by succession his case is farr vnlike to our newe maysters vnless they will cōfess a truthe and saye that they are also the first of their order wherin they shal be beleeued and therby conuinced not to be preachers of Christ but of themselues because they haue no mission from him but come of them selues beinge sent by none 3. Howe shall they beliue him whom they haue not hard And howe shall they heare without a preacher But howe shall they preach vnless they be sent Amen Amen I saye vnto you he that entereth not by the dore that is by the ordinarie waye into the fould of the sheepe but climethe vp another way he is a theefe and a robber But hee that enterethe by the Dore is the Pastore of the sheepe The Prophets prophesie lyes in my name I haue not sent them I haue not sent these Prophets yet they rann with many such like wherby it appeareth that we are not to beleeue euerie one that pretēdeth to come from god vnless they shew their mission and cōmissiō To which purpose heare this notable saying of the auncient Ireneus It beho●uethe to obaie those priestes that are in the churche those who haue the succession from the Apostles as we haue shewed who together with Episcopalitie haue receiued accordinge to the will of the father the assured certayne gift of truthe But to suspect the rest that stande of from the originall succession in what place soeuer the are assembled ether as heretique● and of bad doctrine as makeinge schisme and as highe mynded and pleasinge themselues and of S. Cypriane If the church was with Cornelius wh● succeeded the Bishope Fabiane and whome beside the honoure of Preistho●● our lord glorified with martyrdome● Nouatian is not in the church nor ca● he be esteemed à Bishope who dispising euangelicall and apostolicall tradition succeeding to none is sprong● out from himselfe For nether can 〈◊〉 haue or houlde by any meanes the churche who is not ordered in the churche Protestantes Pos. The lawfull succession of Pastores in gods churche may be with out consecration and authenticall mission or sending by any ordinarie power residing in the churche THE SIXTHE CONtrouersie of the supremicie of S. Peter and of the Pope or Bishope of Rome Catho Positions 1 SAint Peter was by our sauiour Christ constituted supreme head and souraigne Bishope or Pastoure ouer his whole churche militant Proofe 1. Our sauiour sayd to S. Peter Symon of Ihon louest thou me Feede my sheepe