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A29753 Quakerisme the path-way to paganisme, or, A vieu of the Quakers religion being an examination of the theses and apologie of Robert Barclay, one of their number, published lately in Latine, to discover to the world, what that is, which they hold and owne for the only true Christian religion / by John Brown ... Brown, John, 1610?-1679.; R. M. C. 1678 (1678) Wing B5033; ESTC R10085 718,829 590

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These sound ill to Christian ears 44. So 33. we may thus reason Either Christ's Redemption is Conditional and Universal as to the Price laid down and Satisfaction made or as to the Application and Actual bestowing of the benefites purchased But neither can be said to the advantage of the Adversaries cause for if the last be said we willingly grant that some of the benefites as Justification Adoption and actuall Glorification are conferred in a manner conditionally but some as faith and the New heart are given absolutely and this cannot help the Adversaries cause for they will not say that either all have faith bestowed upon them or that all are by believing Justified and Adopted c. and so this is not Universall and if the first be said to wit That Christ laid down his life Conditionally it must be said that Christ did not lay down his life Absolutely but upon some condition and what can that Condition be upon which the death of Christ was suspended If it be said that the faith of those to whom it was to be preached was the condition then it must be said that Christ did not die untill these beleeved or that his death was no satisfaction or price untill they actually beleeved and then the Father could not be well pleased with the price as a satisfaction until mens Faith came to make it an Actual price which is both absurd and contrary to Scripture If it be said That Christ did absolutely lay down his life a satisfactory Ransom and that for all yet so as none that would not fulfill the condition should be redeemed I Answer If it was an Absolute satisfactory Ransome and accepted as such something must have been purchased thereby and all behoved actually and really to be delivered from the Law and from the curse or from something by vertue of that Absolute Price and they could not be made to pay over againe what was payed by the price of his blood for Justice could not call for two satisfactions And if all were upon this Absolute Price payed Redeemed from the Law the Curse and the Sentence of the first Covenant no man shall now die for that broken Covenant If it be said No man was Absolutely delivered even from that but only Conditionally I Ans. How then was it an Absolute Price Or what was purchased thereby If it be said That a possibility of Freedom was absolutely purchased Ans. This was rejected above and the Scripture inferreth Actual Redemption from Christs purchase He shall justifie many for he shall bear their iniquities Esai 53 11. which saith That all whose iniquities he did bear shall be Actually and Really Justified by him and not have a meer Possibility of justification 45 Further 34. We may thus argue If Christ died for all and every one He either died for all Absolutely or Conditionally The first cannot be said for the reasons already adduced militate against that Nor can it be said that He died for all Conditionally for then either he died to purchase Life and Salvation to all upon condition of their performance of something proposed as a Condition or to purchase salvation and all the meanes thereunto or conditions thereof Conditionally But neither of these can be said Therefore c. The major is clear from this that the enumeration is full and no other way can this Conditional Redemption be conceived or explained The minor may be thus confirmed The first way cannot be said to wit that life and salvation was purchased to all upon a condition to be by them performed that is upon Condition of their believing for either this Condition is in the power of every son of Adam or not if it be not in their power as all but Pelagians will confess then this Redemption is no Redemption for a Redemption of Captives upon a condition impossible to them is as good as no Redemption Nor can the last way be said to wit that Redemption and all the Conditions and Means thereof were Conditionally purchased for what can be assigned as the Condition of these Conditions And though there were a Condition of the Lords working of faith assigned which yet we finde not in Scripture yet that would not help the matter for that Condition of faith would it self be a mean to salvation and so purchased Conditionally upon another Condition and that other Condition must be purchased upon another Condition and so in infinitum which is absurd 46. As also 35. this is considerable That the asserting of Universal Redemption goeth not alone but there are several other Universalities also affirmed and maintained either as Consequences or Concomitants or Grounds thereof which the Scripture knoweth not such as these 1. An Universal Love and Philanthropie towards all and every one without any difference which they lay down as the ground of the Sending of Christ to die for all indiscriminatly 2. An Universal Will in God to save all which they call an Antecedent Will and hold forth as a Velleity or a wish and desire that all might be saved as if God could not effectuat whatever he desired or could have a velleity towards any thing which either he could not or would not effectuat 3. An Universal Predestination conditional which expression Amerald used untill the Synods in France did disswad him therefrom 4. An Universal gift of all to Christ or an Universal gift of Christ to all that is a Will and purpose that Christ should lay down his life for all and Redeem all at least Conditionally 5. An Universal Justification conditional And why not also an Universal Salvation conditional 6. An Universal Covenant of grace made with all mankinde in Adam wherein is a free universal deed of gift of Christ first and of Pardon Spirit and Glory in and by him to all Mankinde without exception upon condition of acceptance as also an offer of Faith Repentance Conversion with all the con●equ●nces thereof 7. An Universal will in God to call into this Covenant and unto the Participation of the benefites th●reof all and every man 8. An Universal execution of this will or promulgation of this Gospel or New Covenant unto all and every one by common favours and benefites bestowed or all whereby all are called to believe in a merc●ful pardoning God and all have abundance o● Mercies and Meanes of Recovery and of life for the Lord now governeth the world only on termes of grace 9. Upon this followeth an Universal Command to all men to use ce●taine duties and meanes for their Recovery by Faith and Rep●n●ance 10. An Universal pardon of the first Sin so far at least that no man shall perish for the meer Original sin of Nature alone unless he adde the rejection of grace 11 Hence followeth an Universal Judgment and Sentence on all in the great day only according as they have performed the new Gospel conditions 12. Some also adde an ●niversal Subjective Grace whereby all are enabled to performe the conditions of
giving life unto the World of them that the Father hath given him and shall come to him Ioh. 6 33 37. They are these concerning whom the Fathers will was as being given of him that he should lose nothing but raise it up againe at the last day ver 38 39 40. The Redeemed ones that are numbered by God 144000. and are the first fruites unto God and the Lamb Revel 14 3 4 5. They are such as are the Lords and whom the Lord knoweth for his 2 Tim. 2 19. and are enrolled in the Lambs book Revel 13 8. and 20 15. See other particularities Psal. 87 5. Esai 43 1. and 49 12. and 19 18.24 25. Zeph 3 10. So are they designed to be these for whom God is and who shall have unquestionably all things the Elect who shall be justified who shall not be separated from the love of Christ are in all things more then Conquerours Rom. 8 31 32 33 34 37 38 39. These with whom the Covenant shall be confirmed Dan. 9 27. The redeemed out of every Kinred and Tongue and People and Nation and made Kings and Priests Revel 5 9 10. 22. Further 11 if Christ died for the sinnes of all persons how cometh it that they are not all actually pardoned It cannot be said that Christ's death was not a satisfactory price nor that the Father did not accept of it If then he shed his blood for the remission of sins Mat. 26 28. are not all these sins pardoned virtually and fundamentally or shall they not all actually be pardoned in due time If it be said they shall be pardoned upon condition of their faith But if the sinnes of all be equally payed for and equally in a virtual manner discharged in Christ's being actually discharged from that debt in the day of his Resurrection and the actual disharge depending upon the uncertain condition of mans Will man who willingly performeth the condition shall praise himself for the actual pardon and none else for Christ did no more for him as to the Actual Pardon than for others who never shall be blessed with actual forgiveness and yet forgiveness is held forth as a special act of free grace forgivenesse of sinnes is according to the riches of his grace Ephes. 1 7. Moreover as to that condition whether did Christ purchase it or not If he did not purchase it than man is not beholden to Christ for the Condition be it faith or what ye will it is no purchased mercy but man is beholden to his good Lord Free Will for it and so he may sacrifice to his own net and sing glory to himself for making himself to differ and for obtaining to himself Actual Remission of all his sinnes and consequently blessedness Rom. 4 v. 6 7 8. for had not his owne well disposed Lord Free Will performed that condition all that Christ did had never more advantaged him than it did others that perish If it be said that grace to performe the condition though it be not purchased by the blood of Christ yet it is freely given by God to whom he will I Answer Not to insist here on the proof of faith's being purchased by Christ because we shall cleare it afterward and there is nothing else assigned for the condition I would enquire whether Christ knew to whom this grace would be given or not if not then we must deny him to be God if he knew why shall we suppose that he would lay down his life equally for all when he knew before hand that many should never get grace to performe the condition upon which his death should redound to their actual pardon and justification what Ends or what Advantages can we imagine of such an Universal Redemption 23. 12. If the condition upon which actual pardon justification is granted in the blood of Christ be purchased by Christ then either all shall certainly be Pardoned Justified or Christ hath not purchased an Equal Common Possible Redemption to all and every man But the former is true it is not true that all shall certainly be pardoned and actually justified for then all should be glorified That the condition to wit Faith and Repentance is purchased by Christ who can deny seing he is expresly called the Author of Faith Heb. 12 2. and a Prince exalted to give Repentance and forgiveness of sins Act 5.31 So that as forgiveness of sins is founded upon his death as the Meritorious cause so must Repentance be and Christ as an exalted Prince and Saviour hath this power to dispose of his owne purchased legacy which he hath left and ensured by his death unto the heires of salvation Upon his Death and Satisfaction made in his death hath he gote all power in heaven and earth a power to quicken whom he will Mat. 28 ●8 Ioh. 5 21 22 27. Phil. ● 9 10 Hence we are said to be compleat in him Col 2 10. to be blessed with all spiritual blessings in ce●estials to which no doubt faith and Repentance do belong in him Ephes. 1 3 Is it not from hence that the divine power hath given unto us all things that pertaine unto life and godliness 2 Pet. 1 3 Nay Paul tels us expresly Phil. 1 29. that it is given to us in the behalfe of Christ to beleeve on him And certainly there is a promise of Faith and Repentance and all the promises are yea and amen in Him 2 Cor. 1 20. all the Blessings contained in the Covenant are made sure by his death who was the surety of this better Testament Heb. 7 2● and this Testament was to have force by his death Heb. 9 15 16 17 18. and the New heart and heart of flesh is promis●d in the Covenant and comprehendeth Faith and Repentance they being some of his lawes which he hath also promised to write in the heart Ier. 31 33. Heb. 8 10. Ezech. 11 19 20. 36 26 27. We have moreover seen that Sanctification and Holiness from which Faith Repentance cannot be separated were purchased by Christ and intended in his death whence he is made of God unto us Sanctification 1 Cor. 1 30. If it be not purchased by Christ how come we by it is it a thing in our Power and an act of our owne Free Will Then as I said before we are beholden to ourselves for Faith and all that follow upon it and then farewell all Prayer for Faith and Repentance all Thanksgiving to God for it This is pure Pelagianisme If it be said that it is the free gift of God Ephes. 2 8. and a Consequent of electing love I Answere all the fruites of election which are to be wrought in us are procured by the blood of Christ for all are conveyed to us in a Covenant whereof Christ is the Mediator and Surety and with Christ he giveth us all things Rom. 8 32. and we are blessed in Him with all spiritual blessings according as he hath chosen
Nither can it advantage his Charity to found it upon an Untruth and that his Charity in this matter is founded upon an Untruth we have seen already and shall yet make it more evident He supposeth that when Infants perish because of Original sin they perish for no ●in of their owne but only for the sin of another of Adam But how groundless this mistake is we have seen and we have told him that Original sin is the proper sin of humane Nature and so is traduced from Adam to all that come of him by ordinary Generation and so partake of humane nature 23. In end he saith that Zuinglius did deny and refute our Opinion But all his proof is from the Counc●l of Trent which hath not much credite with us Whatever it hath with him we have more Reason to take Bullingers testimony Decad. 3. Serm. 10 and cont Anabapt lib. 1. c. 12 Gualters in Apol. pro Zuinglio Operib ejus than either Bellarmins or the Councell of Trent Nay Zuinglius declared himself abundantly for the truth in the conference with Luther at Marpurg where these words are we beleeve that Original sin is in-born in every man from Adam and is hereditary and is a sin condemning all and that unless Iesus Christ had help●d by his life and death we had all because of it perished eternally neither had we been partakers of happiness and of the Kingdom of God And if he read his confession of faith to the Emperour Charles V at the dyet at Ausburgh A. D. 1539. he will finde the ground of his mistake for he will there see in what sense he said original sin was not sin viz. that the original sin in Infants was not their Actual sin and who can say that they did actually eat the apple yet he said that up●n the account of that they were born Enemies to God His words are these as Bullinger where now cited relateth them I confess Original sin to be borne with all who are begotten of man and woman I know we are by nature the children of wrath Nor do I stick at this disease being called after Pauls manner sin yea it is such a sin as who ever are born in it are Enemies to God and unto this they are drawn by their birth not by committing of wickedness but in so far as the first father did commit it c. 23. We have now seen all that he hath said against the Orthodox doctrine about original sin and have vindicated such arguments as he was pleased to take any notice of I shall now ere I leave this matter propose some moe Arguments to his Consideration And first I shall mention that which himself adduced when he was speaking of mans lapsed state of wh●ch we heard in the ●oregoing chapter to wit Gen. 6 5. 8 21. from which places the old fathers argued against Pelagianisme See Vossij Hist. Pelag. Pag. 142 143. and indeed there is no small force in these passages for though the Lord be there speaking of the guilt and sin of Adult persons yet he is aggravating the same by traceing it up to the very Root Rise of all saying that it was so with them from their Infancy or Child hood so 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifieth yea from every state of their child hood for the word is in the plural number 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 a pueritiis ejus and thus the Lord useth to aggravat the sin of people Ezech. 16 4. c. Mat. 15 19. Ephes. 2 3. Doth not such corrupt Fruit evidence an evil Tree with a bitter root of wickedness Mat. 7 16 And seing such are the fruits and acts of men so soon as they beginne to act and bud who can say that the Root is good and not corrupt rotten Chrysostoms words on Gen. 6. Hom. 22. are remarkab●e Neque aetas intempestiva alioquin inexperta malorum expers erat sed statim ab incunabulis omnes malum hoc praelium certabant contendentes ut malis operibus alter alterum superarent And it is certane that the Infants of the old world perished in the ●●ood the Lord saith here that it was for sin wickedness that this judgment came on if then these Infants did not perish for their immediat parents sins as this Quaker affirmeth they must have perished for their owne having no actual sinnes of their owne they must have perished for their original sin so that they also must be comprehended with the rest in the forecited places and the evil there spoken of must be as well habitual as actual as well innate as acquired It is observable that Gen. 8 21. the same words are used of the new World that remained to wit of Noah and his posterity 25. We might adde other Scriptures to the same purpose such as Psal. 14 1 2 53 1 2 3. Rom. 3 9 10 23. 11 32. Gal. 3 22. These universals in such a matter as this is admit of no Exceptions yea all Exceptions are expresly excluded in the very text and the scope at which the Apostle driveth Rom. 3. admitteth of no exception for all have need of Christ and of God's mercy in Him otherwise the Apostles argument should be Inconsequent concluding an Universal from a Particular and because we dar not think thus therefore we must say that all are included and because all are not to be charged with actual sins original sin must be here included 26. Origen Cyrillus Chrysostom Augustin and others of the ancients adduced to this purpose these words of Iob Chap. 14 4. hence August de Praedest Grat. Cap. 3. saith Vitiatae radicis macula it a propaginis traduce per generationum sarmenta dissusa est ut nec infans quidem unius diei a culpa sit primae praevaricationis alienus nisi per indebitam Salvatoris gratiam fuerit liberatus quodsi nec quidem sine peccato est qui proprium habere non potuit conficitur ut illud traxerit alienum de quo Apostolus dixit per unum h●minem c. Now that the import of this passage may be the more noticed we would consider that when Iob saith who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean not one He is speaking of an inward unclea●ness an uncleanness of soul by which we are exposed to the judgment of God of which he speaketh vers 3. and which he pointeth forth as inevitable and as such as no man can prevent or remedie So is he also speaking of an uncleanne●s which is Vniversal and therefore habitual for wh●t is only actual is not universal Infants being free therefrom and of an uncleanness which is Permanent and Adherent as also of that which is Traduced or Propagated from Father to son and is hereditary all which do manifestly make it appear that he is speaking of Original sin in respect of which every one is Unclean cometh into the world unclean and can be no
terminus without all respect to sin because by it persons are appointed to punishment for their sins and whatever God doth in time execute He r●solved and determined from eternity to do the same in the self same manner As for the Execution of this decree in time in reference to the denying or not giving of Faith Repentance Regeneration or G●ace to recover out of the state of sin we say this act is Absolute as h●s giving of Grace and Regeneration upon the one hand is free as the Scripture richly declareth so th● withho●ding of this Mercy Grace is an act of his Absolute Soveraignity and Free Will who hath mercy on whom he will and hardeneth whom he will As concerning the act of inflicting spiritual Iudgments the forerunners of hell this being an act of Iustice is not without respect to sin its procureing cause as the Scriptures lately cited evidence The same we say of adjudging impenitent and wicked persons unto hell for this is an act of justice conforme to the established Law of God 10. Though what we have said might suffice upon our part for clearing of the truth which we owne yet because this Quaker rageth so much against Absolute Reprobation by which he doth not meane the actual Execution of this act but the Act it self we shall in short propose somethings which will serve for confirmation of what we say And 1. There is a certane Analogy betwixt the decree of Election the decree of Reprobation so that the one giveth light unto the other the one cannot be conceived without the other for where there is an Election of some there must be a Rejection of others so the one is opposite to the other from this it is manifest that if Election be Free Absolute so must Reprobation be for the objects of both are supposed to be in the same state condition equally represented in the minde of God or considered when the act passeth upon them none deserving Election more than the rest nor none more meriting Reprobation than the rest If then Election be not upon the account of any good foreseen in the elected more than in others whether it be Faith or Obedience or Perseverance in both to the end or whatever else can be imagined as all our Divines have showne writing against the Arminians it is manifest cleare that Reprobation cannot be upon the account of the Foresight of the contrary Sin foreseen or considered in Iudas could not be a cause moving God to Reprobat him more than Peter because the same was to be seen in Peter And the Apostle cleareth confirmeth this when he saith Rom. 9 11 12 13. for the children being not yet born neither having done any good or evil it was said unto her the Elder shall serve the Younger as it is written Iacob have I loved but Esau have I hated Which place 2. Doth further confirme what we say for here is a Discrimination made one Loved the other Hated that is one Elected the other Reprobated Rejected without any consideration had of good in the one or evil in the other as a procureing cause of these Acts of Gods will for both Iacob Esau are considered as being in a like condition yet unborn neither having done either good or evil 3. The supream wheel moving all is here said to be that the purpose of God according to election might stand not of works but of him that calleth so there can be no procureing cause of this in man The one was preferred to the other that the purpose of God according to Election might stand the other consequently was made to serve that the purpose of God according to Reprobation might stand 4. Works both good evil are here in plaine termes excluded not of works there are no works excepted if Election be without foreseen works Reprobation must be so also or we must say that the Apostle argueth not acuratly that the Spirit of the Lord in the Apostle doth not cleare explaine the point 5 Vers. 17. from the instance of Pharaoh of whom it is said that God even for this same purpose had raised him up that He might sh●w his power in him c. the Apostle inferreth that God hardneth whom he will as well as from the instance of Iacob preferred to his brother Esau he inferred vers 15. 18. that he hath mercy on whom he will have mercy and that he hath compassion on whom he will have compassion 6. The Objection which the Apostle preoccupieth Vers. 19. Thou wilt say then why doth he yet find fault for who hath resisted his will doth manifestly speak the truth we plead for for if Election Reprobation were not absolute but upon foreseen works what place could this Objection have Why would the Apostle speak to an Objection that were no way pertinent Should there be any colour for any to propose this scruple if the good evil works of man were the ground of all 7. The Apostles reply confirmeth this when he sayeth Nay but O man who art thou that repliest or dispurest or it may be rendered responsats or carps against God Importing that it is high arrogance in the Clay creature to call Jehovah to its barre to judge or quarrel with or disput against God whatever he do according to the purpose of his own will But what ground were there for such a Pride-laying Man-humbling Mouth-stopping Creature-abaseing felling answere if all this matter did run upon the wheels of justice or had its rise from man or were ultimatly founded upon something in him 8. The answere added putteth the matter beyond all further dispute Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it why hast thou made me thus Hath not the potter power over the clay of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour and another unto dishonour Where we see That man is but as a lump of clay in the hands of the great Potter as there is nothing in one part of the same lump of clay calling inviteing or moving the potter to make of it a vessel unto honour or a vessel unto dishonour so is there nothing in man calling or moving God to make this man a vessel unto honour the other a vessel unto dishonour And next we see That all is ultimatly resolved into the pleasure of God as the Potters mere pleasure is the cause of the discrimination of vessels which he frameth out of the same lump 9. These words vers 22. further confirme our point for saith the Apostle what if God willing to shew his wrath and to make his power known endured with much long suffering the vessels of wrath fitted or made up for destruction c. Importing that it is so and that man hath nothing to say against it So we see That as the vessels of mercy are afore prepared unto glory so the vessels of wrath are afore prepared and
may also obtaine the salvation which is in Christ Iesus with eternal glory And shall we think that the Lord cannot send out his servants to call-in the Elect but he must point them out unto them by name and sirname What if God willing to shew his wrath and to make his power known shall endure with much long suffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction Rom. 9 22. Shall we quarrel with the Most High If God make the chiefe Corner stone that is Elect and Precious unto Beleevers a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence even to them which stumble at the word being disobedient whereunto also they were ordained 1 Pet. 2.6 7 8. must we impute folly unto our God and say that He is mocking 4. The whole of this discourse is founded upon this grand Errour that Faith and Repentance is not the free gift of God contrare to Ephes. 2 8. 6 23. Phil. 1 29. 1 Cor. 4 7. Act. 5 31. 11 18. 2 Tim. 2 25. For if Paul may plant and Apollos water but God only must give the increase 1 Cor. 3 5 6.7 Then the giving of success unto the preaching of the Gospel must be Gods free gift otherwise what can Quakers pray for or Ministers say when they are praying to God for a blessing on their labours Nay it seemeth Quakers are against all such prayers being pure Pelagians and so asserte that Man of himself may Believe and Repent If not will they not grant God liberty to distribute his owne gifts as he will 1 Cor. 12 11 Is God under any Obligation to give grace to all that heare the Gospel This were pure Pelagianisme to say that grace is conferred according to works 5. This mans owne doctrine is exposed to the same Inconvenience for he telleth us afterward as we shall heare that there is a time and date prescribed to every man after which their salvation is not possible now I suppose he will grant that the Word or at least the Light within may continue exhorting such to repent and returne yet all is in vaine for the door is shut will he say that God thereby is but mocking them Let him first liberate his owne doctrine and then returne upon us 23. In the fift place he tels us that our doctrine is injurious to the coming and propitiatory sacrifice of Christ. Why so Because it makes it a great judgment plague unto many c. Ans. And must not Christ be for the fall of many in Israel Luk. 2 34. Why else is he called a stone of stumbling Esai 8 14. Rom. 9 33. 1 Pet. 2 6. Why doth Christ say that it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment then for Chorazin and Bethsaida And for the land of Sodom than for Capernaum Mat. 11 21 22 23 24. And why saith he Ioh 15 22 24 25 If I had not come and spoken unto them they had not had sin but now they have no cloak for their sin If I had not done among them the works which no other man did they had not had sin but this cometh to passe that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their Law they hated me without a cause Why saith he Ioh. 9 39 for judgment I am come into this world that they which see might be made blinde Let the Quaker answere these passages and then rant according to his owne minde And let him tell me how it will fare with those that do not repent before their day of visitation goeth over It is this mans had to wound himself out of a keenness in pursueing us 24. In the Sixt place he saith that it is injurious to mankinde making mans condition worse then the Devils Ans. This were an injury indeed but the Challenge is neither True nor Honest for we look upon Devils as already under the Execution of the decree of Reprobation and in the same state as to this matter that Reprobates are into after death and we suppose it is far otherwise with men though Reprobate before death than it is with Devils Devils are under no offer of mercy now Men are Devils know themselves to be damned men do not Devils are damned irrecoverably for their first sin man that cometh to age sinneth himself more and more unto damnation Man that heareth the Gospel is punished because he will not accept of the offer but doth willingly reject it He doth not beleeve and he will not beleeve can this be said of Devils Devils are reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day Iud. 6. This cannot be said of the Reprobat yet alive Many of the Reprobats have common graces and favours of God and are restrained from many sinnes which cannot be said of Devils But what is the matter The Devils had once a possibility of standing But many millions of men had never any opportunity of salvation but because of Adams sin of whom they never knew any thing were to be perpetually tormented But did not all mankinde by our doctrine stand in Adam fall with him They are not then punished for anothers sin but for their owne as we manifested in the foregoing Chapter How doth this reach all mankinde when God according to his everlasting good pleasure hath chosen a goodly number whom he will glorifie for ever will the Lord do so with any of the Devils Belike that their condition may not be every way worse then mans this Quaker will give them hopes that some of them at least may be saved provideing they hearken well to the Light within they have th● conviction faith of a God know that he is Merciful Holy Just c. as well as men Are of as sharpe Understanding in knowing what is right wrong as many men are But if all this will not satisfy this Quaker let me speak to him in the words of the Apostle for it may be he will carry some respect to them the words are to be found Rom. 9 20. Nay but O man who art thou that replyest against God Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it why hast thou made me thus c. But he addeth that we put man in a worse condition than the beasts are in Why so Because their owners require no more of them than they are able to do and when they are dead there is an end of their misery but by our doctrine man is perpetually tormented because he doth not that which he cannot and thus God dealeth with man worse than Pharaoh did with the Israelites for though he withheld straw from them they could get it with a little more industry Answ. What shall we say unto this Man who thus barketh and belcheth out against God He supposeth that he is spewing out this gall against us alas what are we that he should thus bark against us His barkings will be found against the Lord and
us in him before the foundation of the world Ephes. 1 3 4 So we are predestinate unto the adoption of children by Iesus Christ Ephes. 1 5. and adoption is not had without Faith Ioh. 1 12. can we have Actual Redemption in Christ's blood Ephes. 1 7. Col. 1 14. even forgiveness of sinnes and not have also in his blood Faith without which there is no actual redemption or forgiveness of sinnes to be had when Christ gave himself for us that he might purifie unto himself a peculiar people zealous of good works Tit. 2 14. did he not purchase Faith without which we cannot be such when the Renewing of the holy Ghost is shed on us abundantly through I. C. Tit. 3 5 6. have we not Faith also through him May we not pray for Faith and can we pray for any thing and not in Christ's name See 2 Tim. 1 9. 1 Pet 1 3 Rom. 8 32 39. Luk. 22 32. 24. Againe 13. All that Christ died for must certanely be Saved But all Men shall not be saved That all for whom Christ died must certanely be saved is hence apparent 1. That all who have Saving Faith Repentance shall be saved will not be denyed that Christ hath purchased Faith Repentance to all for whom he died we have showne above 2. These who shall freely get all things from God must get Salvation for all things else signifie nothing without that but all they for whom Christ was delivered shall get all things Rom. 8 32. 3. They whom nothing shall separate from the love of Christ and from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord must certainly be saved But all they for whom Christ hath died will in due time have ground to say this Rom. 8 34 35 39. 4. All they to whose charge nothing can be laid shall be saved But this will be true of all that Christ died for for Christ's death is held forth as the ground of this Rom. 8 33 34. 5. They for whom Christ interceedeth shall undoubtedly be saved But Christ intercedeth for all for whom he died Rom. 8 34. 6. All who are sanctified shall be saved But all that Christ died for shall in due time be sanctified Sanctification being as we shewed above one principal intended end of Christ's deat● 7. All Christ's Elected sheep shall be saved But such are they for whom Christ died as was showne 8. All that God and Christ love with the greatest love imaginable shall certainly be saved But such are they for whom C●rist died Ioh. 3 16. 15 1● Act. 20.28 Eph. 5 25. 9. All that become the righteousness of God in Christ shall be saved But that shall be true of all for whom he died or was made sin or a sacrifice for sin 2 Cor. 5 21. 10. All that shall be blessed in having their sins pardoned shall be saved Rom. 4 6 7 8. But all for whom Christ died shall have this redemption Ephes. 1 7. Col. 1 14. 11. All they whom Christ knoweth acknowledgeth shall be saved Mat. 7 34. But he knoweth all them for his sheep Ioh. 10 14 1● for whom he died 12. All for whom Christ rose againe shall be saved seing he rose for our justification Rom. 4 25. But he rose againe for all those for whom he died Rom 4 25. who was delivered for our offences and was raised againe for our justification Rom. 8 34. 13. All who shall be planted together with Christ in the likeness of his resurrection shall be saved But that is true of such as he died for Rom. 6 5. 14. All they in whom the old man shall be crucified that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth they should not serve sin shall be saved But that is true of such as he died for Rom. 6 6 7 8. knowing this that our old man is crucified with him that the body of sin might be destroyed that henceforth we should not serve sin for he that is dead is freed from sin Now if we be dead with Christ we beleeve that we shall also live with him c. 15. All they who shall be made Kings and Priests unto God shall be saved But all the redeemed shall be such Rev. 1 5 6. 5 10. See worthy Mr Durham on the Revel p. 303. 16. If Christ must see of the travail of his soul then these he died for must be saved But the former is true Esai 53 11. 17. All whom Christ shall Ju●tifie shall be saved But he shall justify all whose iniquities he beareth Esai 53 11. Thus is this sufficiently proved 25. It is also considerable 14. That no where in Scripture we finde it expresly said and affirmed That Christ died for all men Far less fin●e we it said that Christ died for all and every man Why then is all th●s trouble made But they say as much as all that is said by consequence And this we deny if they will rationally presse this matter they should evince that such expressions as they make so much work about can be no otherwise understood than they suppose in the places where they stand and this they shall never be able to do Though it be said that Christ gave his life a Ransome for all yet no reason can evince that that is necessarily to be understood of all and every man so nor can they conclude any thing rationally from the word world They may as well inferre from these words all and the world that Christ died for devils beasts sensless creatures as that he died for all and every man for they are comprehended under these terms as well as Men And if they will restrict these termes to men because of other Scriptures why may not we restrick them also to the Elect because of the correspondence of other passages of Scripture They cannot deny us the liberty they take to themselves If they say that there is a vast difference betwixt Devils an Men in reference to such favours We deny it not but shall adde that in reference to spiritual favours amongst which we cannot but reckon with the good leave of our Adversaries the death of Christ being the fruit and expression of the greatest love of God to Man we finde also a great difference in Scripture Some are Loved some Hated Rom. 9 11 12. Some whom He Knoweth some whom he Knoweth not Ioh. 10 14. 13 18. Mat. 7 33. 2 Tim. 2 19. Some Chosen and Ordained to life others Not but to Wrath Act. 13 48. Rom. 8 30. 9 18. c. Ephes. 1 4. 1 Thes. 5 9. Some Sheep others Goats Mat. 25 32. Some on whom God hath Mercy others whom he Hardeneth Rom. 9. Some his Church others not Act. 20 28. Ephes. 5 25. Some of the W●rld others n●t Ioh. 17 9 10. Some his Brethren others not Heb. 2 10 12 13. And as plainly read we that Christ died for his People Mat. 1 21. his Sheep Ioh. 10 11 12 14.
World and why because the word World is frequently taken for Unbeleevers for which he citeth many passages several of which are very impertinent for some speak of the World containing not of the inhabitants as Ioh. 17 15 18. some of the profites and pleasures of the world as Mat. 16 26. 1 Ioh. 2 15. some make no mention of the World as Mat. 18 1● Ioh. 7.8 26. and 18 19. and 17 20. Others speak of the temptations and other accidents of the world as Gal. 6 14. Iam. 1 27. 2 Pet. 2 20. And then he tels us that the World is here distinguished from beleevers who come in under the word ours and so the speach should be redunda●t and superfluous But the full commentary of the word he draweth from this same Epistle Chap. 5 10. where the same Apostle is speaking to the same persons To all which We Answere Notwithstanding that enough was said above to enervate any Argument drawn from hence 1. The word World can prove nothing for it admitteth of so many various acceptations not to mention the world containing signifying sometimes indefinitly men without restrictions or enlairgements Esai 13 11. Ioh. 7 4. Sometimes Many Mat. 18.7 Ioh. 4 42. and 12 19 and 16 8 and 17 21. 1 Cor. 4 9. Revel 13 3. Sometimes a great part of the World Rom. 1 8. and 10 18. Mat. 24 14. and 26 13. Sometimes the Roman Impire Luk. 2 1. Sometimes the wicked and sometimes God's owne scattered up and down the world Psal. 22 27. Ioh. 3 16. and 6 36 51. Rom 4 13. and 11 12 15. 2 Cor. 5 19. Col. 1 6. 2. Nor can the phrase whole world or all the world prove any thing for that also is variously taken and never except once Rom. 3 19. where it is in a necessary matter taken for all and every individual person See Revel 3 10. and 12 9. and 13 3. Col. 1 vers 6. Luk. 2 1. and in other places it doth not denote men 3. It is but rational to suppose that the whole world here denoteth no more than the like expressions elsewhere to wit all nations all flesh all the ends of the earth all the families of the earth c. and we did shew above that these used in the matter whereof we are now speaking could not be taken in their most comprehensive sense otherwayes it would follow that all and every man should have grace and glory see for instance Psal. 22 27. and 72 11. and 93 3. But Peter tels us how such ought to be interpreted Act. 2 17. expounding that universal Ioel 2 18. 4. That there must here be a restriction himself must grant otherwise he must bring-in the Devils and say that Christ is a propitiation for them and not for us only who are men upon earth because the word world in its universal extent will comprehend them also Especially considering how the second place may contribute to strengthen this supposition seing the Devils lye in evil But if he take liberty to restrick it to Men he must not be offended with us for taking the same liberty to restrick it to a certane sort of Men as elsewhere it is restricked to signifie Wicked men so here it may signifie Beleevers or the Elect as the like phrase of all nations importeth Esai 66 18. and 2 2. and elsewhere 5. And that it must be restricked so here is manifest from the very word Propitiation for if it be taken for the actual Application of the benefites of Christs death according to the parallel place Rom. 3 25. where it is said to be by faith then it is manifest that Beleevers only are intended here and indeed the whole discourse is intended for the comfort of Beleevers against incident sinnes and not for the comfort of Others And if it be meaned of Impetration even then there must be a restriction to such as either are or through grace shall be made beleevers for only such as we did shew above are they for whom Christ is a propitiation Shall Christ be looked upon as an Advocate with the Father for the wicked Reprobate In this word propitiation there is an allusion to the cover of the Ark and Mercy seat called 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Heb. 9 5. which signified the covering of the Law as a rigide Covenant of works importing Reconciliation and Acceptation with God through Christ the true Propitiation or Mercy seat Rom. 3 25. who propitiated for sinnes Heb. 2 17. and so expiated them for upon t●is followeth remission Mat. 26 28. Rom. 3 25. and 5 9. Ephes. 1 7. Col. 1 14. Heb. 9 22. 1 Ioh. 1 7. 1 Pet. 1 2. Revel 1 5. And shall we say that this is common to all the world Or that all this importeth only a Possible Reconciliation and Remission or that it is for such as shall themselves suffer the vengeance of eternal fire for ever Let Quakers beleeve this if they will for my part I cannot 6. Why the Apostle should use this general terme in a restricted sense we formerly gave a reason see § 59. and 60. This Apostle conversing most with Jewes Gal. 2 9. wrote this Epistle unto them as is most probable they having first had the offer made unto them which is hinted in this same Chapter vers 7. And so he useth the word World in a sense which they understood well to wit as importing the Gentiles whom he would hereby insinuate to be now taken-in and no more strangers and forreigners the partition wall being broken down And hereby it appeareth that there is no tautologie in the words when he sayes he is a propitiation for our sinnes who are beleevers of the Jewes but also for the sinnes of the people of God among the Gentiles who are expresly called the world in opposition to the Jewes Rom. 11 15. or of the children of God through the world as Ioh. 11 51 52. where this same Apostle giveth us the plaine meaning of this word 7. As for 1 Ioh. 5 13. It is manifest how impertinent that is to this purpose and if this man will urge it in its latitude he shall make the Apostle contradict himself for the whole World may take in beleevers and whereas he thinks the word world used in one and the same Epistle must necessarily import one and the same thing he sheweth himself a stranger in the Scriptures where several times an antanaclasis or the same word having distinct significations is used not only in the same Book or Epistle but in the same verse pronunced with the same breath as Ioh. 1 vers 10. and 3 vers 6 17. Mat. 8 v. 22. 1 Ioh. 3 v. 16. to name no moe 65. He addeth some testimonies of Antiquity whether of his owne gathering or not I think it not worth the while to search but hereby he would make his Readers beleeve that what be saith was the doctrine of the Church for the first Six hundered yeers and yet the eldest
requisite for the right performance of that duty Rom. 8 26 27. Psal. 10 17. Zach. 12 10. And therefore in the very description of prayer Quest. 178. the help of the Spirit is taken in We owne as absolutely necessary unto the right performance of this duty the Influences of the Spirit of God putting the heart in a frame for the work stirring up blowing upon and enlivening his graces in the soul and contributing his assistance in the carrying on and performance of it But the Motions and Inspirations which he pleadeth for as the only ground and call to the action and which we do not owne nor expect are the extraordinary and immediat Impulses of the Spirit carrying the soul forth unto the duty such as the Prophets had when inspired to write Scripture and to declare the minde of the Lord in several cases And as to this I see no ground to assert that even the Apostles who had an extraordinary measure of the Spirit of grace and of supplication and of the ordinary Influences and Assistances of the holy Ghost in this duty were thus alwayes called and carryed forth unto this duty of prayer I meane by these extraordinary Impulses and physical Motions of the Spirit which they could not withstand but yeeld unto or by these immediat Revelations calling them to the discharge of this duty hic nunc What might be and possibly was at some certain times and occasions I determine not but that which I affirme is that I see no ground to assert that to all their acts of Preaching and Prayer they had an immediat and extraordinary Revelation Inspiration and Impulse calling them forth and setting them on to the duty hic nunc so as they never acted therein upon the ground of a moral command or were pressed thereto out of conscience to a command or from the consideration of an ordinary call whether because of the work they were about or the circumstances of time place and accasion inviteing thereunto or the like 3. But why supposeth he that we account all motions of the Spirit unnecessary It is because we have certain and prescribed times viz. before and after sermon morning and evening in private devotion before and after meate Ans. This is the old plea of Familists but though we owne no Canonick houres nor the superstitious observation of fixed times and places for this or any other religious act of worshipe knowing that we are every where to pray lifting up holy hands without wrath and doubting 1 Tim. 2 8. and to continue instant in prayer Rom. 12 vers 12. and to pray without ceasing 1 Thes. 5 17. and that we ought alwayes to pray with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit and to watch thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints Ephes. 6 18. And therefore dar not restrick the exercise of this duty to determinat times and places invented and prescribed by men without warrand from God Yet we say there are special times wherein the Lord calleth for this duty not only times of trouble Psal. 50 15. times of affliction Iam. 5 13. times of mourning Esai 22 12 13. Ioel 2 12 17. Esth. 4 3. Ezra 9. Neh. 9. Dan. 9. Ier. 31 9. and the like but also solemne times as when the Lord is solemnly to be worshiped in the assemblies of his people as 1 Cor. 11 4 5 13. Act. 2 ver 42. and other occasions when either the work we are about or the season calleth for it for Nature it self teacheth and Christian prudence saith that when we are assembled to the solemne worshipe of God prayer ought to be offered up unto God and that to do it before and after sermon is most suteable and corresponding with Christian order and decency which ought carefully to be observed in the whole worshipe of God 1 Cor. 14 40. and the work of preaching and hearing which ought to be gone about with all Reverence Attention Faith Understanding and Seriousness Iam. 1 21 22. Act. 10 33. Mat. 13 19. Heb. 4 2. Esa. 66 2. calleth for prayer to God for his blessing and breathing without which the work will be fruitless and that both before and after when withall there ought to be an Acknowledgement of our unworthiness and of Gods rich mercy and grace following us with such gracious opportunities and a serious begging of pardon for sinnes committed both before and in the work of Preaching and Hearing so that all things plead for the performance of this duty then As also the very law and light of nature would call for a solemne Acknowledgment of God by Prayer and Supplication Morning and Evening and oftner too and that fixedly providing no dispensation of providence occurring did call off for that time and that both by families and by private persons in secreet Ier. 10 25. Deut. 6 6 7 8. Iob 1 5. 2 Sam. 6 18 20. 1 Pet. 3 7. Act. 10.2 Hence we read of praying in the morning Psal. 5 3. 88 13. 119 147. and evening Psal. 141 2. and of morning and evening both Psal. 55 17. and of day time and night Psal. 22 2. Yea we read of prayer performed three times a day Psal. 55 17. Dan. 6 10. 9 4. And the morning and evening sacrifices wh●ch were offered under the Law do point this forth to speak nothing of that solemne houre of prayer Act. 3 1. And that word in the Paterne of prayer taught by Christ give us this day our daily bread Mat. 6 11. saith that prayer is a duty daily to be performed And as for our acknowledgment of God in the use of his good creatures the very light of nature might instruct us as to this and that petition in the paterne of prayer but now mentioned pointeth forth this duty which is also clearly laid upon us by that word of Paul's 1 Tim. 4 4 5. For every creature of God is good and nothing to be refused if it be received with thanksgiving for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer and the example of Christ and of Paul is not I suppose to be slighted see Mark. 6 41. Ioh. 6 11. Act. 27 35. By all which we see that the Christian observation of times and occasions for this duty of prayer is well consistent with the ordinary Motions and Inspirations of the Spirit which we owne and are to laboure for in the discharge of this duty but are utterly repugnant to and inconsistent with these extraordinary and immediat Calls and Impulses wh●ch he looketh upon as the only warrand of performance of the duty And hereby it is also manifest what unfriends they are unto this great and necessary duty of Prayer and what an irreligious Religion that is which they owne and profess and what a tendency their doctrine hath to banish Prayer away which is the native and kindly breathing of the Spirit of Adoption Gal. 4 6. Rom. 8 15. and is the distinguishing Mark of the