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A16691 The rasing of the foundations of Brovvnisme Wherein, against all the writings of the principall masters of that sect, those chiefe conclusions in the next page, are, (amongst sundry other matters, worthie the readers knowledge) purposely handled, and soundely prooued. Also their contrarie arguments and obiections deliberately examined, and clearly refelled by the word of God. Bredwell, Stephen. 1588 (1588) STC 3599; ESTC S106388 120,820 166

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mercie if so be the Lord will yet heare vs for this and remoue our iniquities from before his presence and so the plagues which he hath deuised against vs for the same For our many and strange sinnes doe procure many and strange iudgements whereof this is not the least to breake in amongst vs. Yea the Lord for his great mercy grant our Magistrates sincere hearts still to purge the Church of all offences our ministers skilfull boldnesse to doe the message of God as becommeth them euerie priuate man humilitie to the diligent attendance of the worde and the whole body of this Church a ioyfull growth and going forwarde to the fulnesse of Christ that so all enemies mouthes may bee stopped and the mightie name of Iehouah be magnified ouer all Amen Come Lord Iesu come quickely Faults in the print Pag. 4. line 7 for rites reade remembrance pag. 22. li. 31 read importunitie pag. 36 li. 18. one sense pag. 37 li. 16 such lowde li. 20. force of it pag 51. li. 14. dastardlike pag. 63. li. 6. are to shewe pag. 66. li. 10. no vse pag. 114. li. 31. wrester pag. 115. li. 13. thought and sickenesse The doubts and obiections of a certaine disciple of Robert Brownes vvherein being vrged to come to Church the said partie desired first to be resolued ACcording to Christian dutie I require you in Gods behalfe that you will resolue mee of these doubts following by good euident proofe and warrant out of the worde as it is your duetie to doe For where as in doubtes that may arise concerning any thing in the booke of common prayer the preface annexed to the same booke by permission of her Maiestie not onely giueth all men free libertie but willeth them to demaund the resolution of such doubts of the Bishop of the Dioces or of the pastor of the parish I therefore for the quieting of my conscience doe desire to be resolued for he that doth any thing in religion with doubt of conscience is condemned because hee doeth it not of faith for whatsoeuer is not of faith is sinne and the reward of sinne is death Set downe in writing your proofes by euident Scriptures out of Gods word that I may examine them by other Scriptures and vse no sophisticall reasons nor vaine philosophie for I am forewarned by the holy Ghost that we be not deceyued by such Among the rest I will at this time deale with you but with two things the one is the want of gouernement and discipline according to the rule of Gods worde And the other is the abuse and pollution of the Sacrament of the Lords Supper for want of discipline according to Gods word Let vs make tryall of the true gouernement and discipline of the Church of God according to Christs commandement to put it in vse First to tel my neighbour his fault charitably between him and mee alone and so forth by admonitions if hee bee obstinate then by excommunication by the consent of the Church and all to call him to repentance and amendment of life and we see that neither you nor wee can put this in vse in your Church assembly as God hath commanded But on the contrary you must haue sworne men after the institution of the Papists First to go tel the Bishop or some of his hirelings or Courtkeepers they without admonishion will alone excommunicate and for money will resolue by the cannon law of the Papists before we see repentance and amendment of life Thus I see the commandement of God reiected and broken through their traditions which is sinne And also for the Lords Sacrament of the Supper trial should bee made by the gouernement of the Church of a sanctified people so to be a cōmunion of Saints so worthy receiuers by tryall of their faith and repentance and by the rule of Gods worde the other refused for their wicked life vntill they repent and amend their liues But in your assemblies or Church from 16. or 18. yeeres old or vpward all are compelled by lawe to come though he be a couetous person a proud person a drunkard a defrauder of right or oppressor or blasphemer which in contempt of God in his life and manners maketh but a tush or a light matter of sinne and of Gods iudgement for sinne of which sort are the greatest number in your parish besides railers and liars and such like And nowe I demaund whether Christians are to ioyne and partake as one body with them in the Sacrament being vnreformed yea or no. Seeing we are forbidden to eate with such or to haue felowshippe with them by the commaundement of the holy Ghost vnlesse it bee in worldly affaires For proofe Reade these Scriptures 1. Cor. 59 10 11 12 13.2 Thes 3.14.6.2 Tim 3.1 2 3 4 5. Rom. 16.17 18. Ephe. 5.7.8.1 Thes 5 21.22 Answere me as I haue sayd by the worde of God only and alone without the iudgement of man for I can not be resolued thereby they are so contrary one to an other ¶ An Answere resolutorie to the doubtes and obiections aforesaid THREE poyntes you put downe vnto me whereunto you require mine answere First is a comparison of the true gouernement of the Church with ours The second is of disorders that fal out at the ministration of the Lords supper The third is your question drawne from the two former poyntes 1 To the first I graunt you that you say thus farre as namely that wee cannot redresse faultes so fully as is to bee wished 2 To the seconde it is vntrue that you say the lawe compelleth all aboue xvi yeres olde without any exception to communicate for the lawe intendeth a worthines as may appeare by prouiding censures for the vnworthy Againe it is vntrue that you charge vs to make a confuse mingling with open offenders without discerning for both wee may and doe debarre those that are notoriously knowne to be in life offensiue and do both enquire and are readie to receiue any iust and probable information against whom-soeuer in our charge that walke inordinately Yea informe you vs duely of those sinners which you say our Parish is so ful of and you shal not find them I trust to disquiet you at the Lordes table If you say we cannot performe this so throughly as by an Eldership then I graunt so much of your second poynt also 3 Herehence you aske whether Christians are to ioyne and partake as one body with them in the Sacrament being vnreformed I answere that in respect of outward ioyning and partaking wee may and ought not to withdrawe our selues for the presence of the wicked My reasons are these first because the presence of the wicked hindreth not the celebratiō of the riter of Christ nor the communicating of his body and blood to the faithfull ones I prooue that thus if the presence of the wicked should hinder the actiō we must grant that their presence doth it either in respect of it selfe simply