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A54844 The new discoverer discover'd by way of answer to Mr. Baxter his pretended discovery of the Grotian religion, with the several subjects therein conteined : to which is added an appendix conteining a rejoynder to diverse things both in the Key for Catholicks, and in the book of disputations about church-government and worship, &c. : together with a letter to the learned and reverend Dr. Heylin, concerning Mr. Hickman and Mr. Bashaw / by Thomas Pierce ... Pierce, Thomas, 1622-1691. 1659 (1659) Wing P2186; ESTC R44 268,193 354

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which you possesse But how full or how void of Self-deniall your brethren are I cannot judge by your Example Nor will I judge of your own but by your Practice Men may talk what they please because their Toungs are their own But when God hath said plain'y Thou shalt not covet thy Neighbours House It cannot enter into my Thoughts how a man can invade it without Coveting or how he can covet with Self-deniall whilst he so far covet's as to invade it CHAP. VII A confessed 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Sect. 1. HAving done with Sequestrations you interpose in a Controversy in which you make your confession that you find no Call to interpose Sect. 28. But still it seems you have a courage to engage your Pen in those Quarrels for which you have not a Call or a Qualification Had you not caught a kind of Itch at your Fingers Ends you would not probably have imployd them in such a wilful 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 For you having not a Call I take your word and you may pleafe to take mine for your not having a Qualification How much or how little you understand of the Synod at Dort and the several Parties of the Calvinists who do resolve either to follow or not at least to contradict it I should have taken upon me to make you see if you had not made That the peculiar Province of Tilenus whose Publication of your Failings coming yesterday to my hands makes me willing to ridd them of this Employment The Synodists unexcusable by standing out after yielding Sect. 2. If it is true what you say That the Calvinists do extend the mercy of God and the merits sufferings and Grace of Christ as much to All as I do Sect. 28. And confess that God hath from eternity decreed that Faith and repentance shall be the Conditions of Life and that none but the persevering shall be saved Sect. 29. That the sinns of all the whole world were l●id on Christ who procured a grant and offer of pardon and life to all on condition of Faith and repentance Sect. 30. That all men who hear the Gospel at least have so much grace bestow'd from Christ as that the matter is brought to the choice of their own wills whether they will have Christ or not Sect. 31. And lastly that God giveth all men to persevere if they will Sect. 32. Then what excuse can the Synodists and other Calvinists make for writing so much in contradiction to what they acknowledge to be true Why do they plead with so much fierceness that the Decree of Reprobation was irrespective which they evince to have been otherwise by their confession that Christ hath purchased a Salvability for all men Why do they persecute their Brethren under the Notion of Arminians Why do they Couple them with the Iesuites by way of contumely and reproach whilst they acknowledge so neer a parallel betwixt the Iesuites and themselves How come you and your own Brethren to pursue each other with so much virulence if you do all agree so fully with the Synod at Dort Or what meant the Synod in falling so foule on the Remonstrants for meerly holding such Tenets as were but the sequels of their own if their own were such as you here describe If they were not you must eat your own words which you will find in the Digestion exceeding windy If they were I am glad that all our Dissentions are at an end and admire the Evidence of the Truth which extorts a submission from her Opposers Sect. 3. I shall not quarrel with their opinion who say that God in giving Grace gives more to some than sufficient provided that That which he gives to all be very really sufficient and that the overplus be not such as for the want of which no man is able to come in and receive his Saviour for if it is it will follow that none is really and truly sufficient Grace but what is sufficient and somewhat more Instead of inlarging u●on This I do solemnly recommend it to your most serious consideration For here lies the point at which we are parted from one another When some men have acknowledged sufficient Grace unto All driven to it by the ●bsurdities which they find would fall on their Denial They are so terrified with the Thought of going over to their Antagonists whom they have customarily b●anded wi●h the Title of Arminians that they interpret the word sufficient into the importance of unsufficient for they declare it to be im●ossible that sufficient Grace should be available to the receiving and retaining of Jesus Christ without the addition of somewhat else which you call the will and perseverance it self Sect. 23. which however it im●lies a contradiction in Adjecto as that the Grace which is sufficient is not sufficient yet they resolutely swallow so huge a Camel because they strain at the Gnat of seeming to be the Converts of their Opponents They will not be thought to be convinced by Them they Hate Again let it be granted that whilst all have sufficient some f●w have more upon condition it be proved from God's own word that to all his Elect he give 's this more or at least that it be granted in default of such Proof That a man may be saved by Grace sufficient Let Salvability for all which you frequently acknowledge be allow'd to signifie what it does to wit a possibility that all may be saved And then let nothing be subjoyned for the placing of any under an impossible for fear of implying a Contradiction Austin confe●sedly against the Synod of Dort Sect. 4. Whereas you grant it to be true That Augustine thought The Elect onely do eventually persevere and some who are Sanctified but not Elect do fall away to which you adde that the Synod do judge otherwise Sect. 33. First I obse●ve a good confession that St. Austin was for that which you call Arminian against your Dear self and the Synod of Dort Which makes me wish that all Calvinists would either accept of St. Austin when we urge him s●eaking against Themselves or at least not urge him when they imagin him speaking to their advantage Secondly If the Synod does judge otherwise as to the former part of St. Austin they judge that men may be saved who were ne●er Elected unto life or else that men may persevere and yet not be saved But if the Synod does judge otherwise as to the later part of St. Austin They judge that all who are sanctified are als● absolutly elected from whence they incur this great Absurdity in case St. Austin be in the Right That men may be absolutely Elected and yet eventually condemn'd Which also implye's this other Absurdity That God's Decree can be absolute yet not immutable Which again imply's a Contradiction Sect. 5. They do not truly extend Grace further The Extent of Grace who extend it to fewer then others do And you know that Grace