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A90899 Saving faith set forth in three dialogues or Conferences: 1 2 3 between Christ and a publican. Pharisee. Doubting beleever. Whereunto is added tvvo sermons one of them preached before the Parliament the other before the Lord Mayor of the City of London. By Vavasor Powell, minister of the Gospell. Powell, Vavasor, 1617-1670. 1651 (1651) Wing P3092; Thomason E1332_3; ESTC R209110 22,480 73

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roare in (i) Luk. 3.17 Mark 9.43 44 46. flames of fire and in everlasting burnings Ph. I have joy and comfort in my spirit often from my performances and I know that God will heare my prayers that I make publickly and privately unto him J. Thou painted Sepulchre hast thou not read that the (k) Iob. 20.5 joy of an hypocrite is but for a moment and that an hypocrite shall not (l) Iob 13.16 come before God And dost thou not (m) Iob 15.4 restraine prayer before God and when thou prayest dost thou not doe it publickly to bee (n) Mat. 6.5 seen of men Ph. I pray in private also J. Then it is either when some (o) Esa 26.16 punishment is upon thee or else to quiet thy carnall conscience Ph. Mr. why dost thou reproach me in saying thus J. Thou dissembler that (p) Ioh. 5.44 seekest honour of men and not the honour which commeth from God thou art to expect nothing but shame and (q) Dan. 12.2 everlasting contempt Ph. Sir thou judgest rashly J. No as I heare I judge and my judgement is just and true Joh. 5.30 and 8.16.26 Ph. How knowest thou what I am that thou so judgest J. I am he that searcheth the heart and trieth the reines and I will give to every one of you according to your works Rev. 2.23 Ph. When thou judgest the world what difference wilt thou make between us that served God and the Heathens that served him not J. The difference will be this that your (r) Mat. 23.14 Mar. 12 40. Lu. 20.47 condemnation will be the greater because though ye knew God yet ye served him (s) Mat. 15.9 vainly falsely and (t) Esa 57.4 hypocritically Ph. Good Master I would escape this condemnation for I beleeve it will be great and thy words begin to terrifie mee already J. I have told thee already that there is no other way for thee to escape it but onely by me but yet thou dost not beleeve me Joh. 10.25 Ph. How wilt thou have me beleeve in thee J. First I will have thee see thy selfe to be the (v) 1 Tim. 1 15. greatest and vilest of sinners and then see all thy (u) Esa 64 6 owne righteousnesses services and performances to be as filthy and menstruous rags And after thou hast denied and (w) Eze. 36.31 abhorred thy selfe then cry out Master save me or else I perish for the (x) Mat 9.12 whole need not a Physitian but those that are sicke Ph. I doe see my selfe a sinner and I am sorry for my sinnes And doth not God say that whosoever confesseth and forsaketh his sins shall finde mercy J. I say unto thee thou luke-warme Professor Except thou eatest my flesh and drinkest my bloud and submittestunto my righteousnesse thou canst not be saved Joh. 6.53 Ph. Well then If I cannot be saved by my owne workes and righteousnesse Master let mee bee beholding to thee to save me J. Hast thou not read that (a) Psal 3.8 Salvation belongeth onely to the Lord and that men are saved by grace without the workes of the Law why then dost thou so (b) Deut. 32 15. lightly esteem of the Rocke of thy Salvation by seeking to be justified and saved as (c) Ro. 9 32. it were by thy owne workes I tell thee againe thou must (d) Phil. 3.9 deny thy owne righteousnesse wholly and looke to be found in my righteousnesse onely else thou canst not be saved Ph. Indeed Master thou makest the way to Heaven very hard J. It is so hard that many shall seeke to enter in and shall not bee able Luke 13.24 Ph. If it be as thou sayest I am afraid that many of our best Scribes and Pharisees will come short of Heaven J. Thou maist be sure of that for verily I say unto thee Except thy righteousnesse exceeds the righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisees thou shalt in no case enter into the Kingdome of Heaven Mat. 5.20 Ph. But Master there be some that doe great works in thy name shall not all such be saved J. No for many will say unto mee hereafter Lord Lord have we not prophesied in thy name and in thy name cast out devills and in thy name done many wonderfull things and then will I professe unto them I never knew you depart from mee yee workers of iniquity Matth. 7.22.23 Ph. But why should not such rather be saved then cast away J. Because they did as thou dost doe all these things to be seen of men and to gaine honour unto themselves and so built their Salvation upon this false foundation as the foolish builder built his house upon the sand which in (g) i.e. Times of triall and persecution Luke 8.12 time of flood and winds could not stand but fell Mat. 7.26 27. Ph. I see thou dost reject mee I thought to be one of thy Disciples and to follow thee J. No I doe not reject thee but am very willing to receive thee but first consider what thou dost and what it will cost thee if thou wilt be my Disciple and follow me Ph. What will it cost mee Master J. Thou must (h) i.e. In comparison of Christ when they come in competition with him Mat. 10.37 hate thy father and mother and wife and children and brethren and sisters and thine owne life also yea thou must goe and sell all that thou hast and take up thy crosse daily and follow mee else thou canst not bee my Disciple Luke 14.26 27. Ph. This is a hard saying who can hear it and he went away sorrowfull and followed him no more Joh. 6.60.66 Mat. 19.22 The third Dialogue between Christ and a Doubting Beleever Christ COme unto me al ye that labour and are heavy laden and I will give you rest Mat. 11.28 Beleever Oh Lord I am a poor heavy laden sinner that would come unto thee but cannot come Ch It is true O soule no man can come unto me except the Father which hath sent me draw him Joh. 6.44 Bel. How then Lord shall I come unto thee Ch I and my Father are one and we give power to the faint and to them that have no might we adde strength Or increase Joh. 10.30 Esay 40 29. Bel Lord I am altogether without strength therefore draw mee unto thee and I will come Ch I will draw thee unto mee with the cords of a man with bands of love and with loving kindnesse Hos 11 4. Ier. 31.3 Ioh. 12.32 Bel But Lord now I looke upon my selfe I see I am unworthy to come unto thee yea unworthy of the least of thy mercies Ch So said my servant (a) Mat. 3 11.6 Iohn the Baptist and (b) Gen 32.10 Iacob and (c) Luk. 7.7 Mat. 8.8 others yet do not judge thy selfe as the (d) Acts 13.46 Jewes did unworthy of eternal life Bel If such men as John Baptist and Jacob did judge themselves unworthy how
Lord what if I be a Bastard and the childe of whoredome J. That doth not hinder thee neither to be saved for my servant (c) Jud. 11.1 with Heb. 11.32 Jepthah was a Bastard so was my servant Phares who is reckoned in my owne Genealogie Compare Gen. 38.18 29 Ruth 4.12 with Mat. 1.3 P. But Lord is there not such a Scripture that a Bastard shall not enter into thy Congregation untill the tenth Generation J. Yes there is such a (d) Deu. 23.2 Scripture and that should make people shun the sin of whoredome but that doth not exclude men that are borne Bastards after the flesh if they be borne againe of the Spirit either out of my Church on Earth now in the dayes of the Gospell or yet out of Heaven P. But what Lord if my father was a Bastard J. Neither doth that binder for Zarah the brother of Phares who was a Bastard begot my two wise and godly servants Ethan and Heman compare Gen. 38.30 1 Chron. 26. with Psal 88. and Psal 89. the titles of both being of Heman and Ethan P. Oh Lord I am a very old sinner and have one foot already in the grave and I feare it is too late for me now to be called J. No it is not too late for I call some at the ninth hour yea some at the (e) Which is but one houre before night or a little before Death eleventh houre And I will poure out of my Spirit upon old men in these Gospel daies Mat. 20.6.9 Joel 2.28 with Act. 2.17 P. But Lord I have committed such great and hainous sins both by speaking and doing that I am afraid it is in vaine for me to seek mercy J. Though thou hast spoken and done evill things as much as thou couldest yet returne unto me and I will not cause mine anger to fall upon thee for I am mercifull Jer. 3.5 P. How shall I looke upon thee Gracious Lord for I have multiplied sins against thee J. As thou hast multiplied sins so will I (f) Or will abundantly pardon multiply pardons if thou wilt returne unto me the Lord Esa 55.7 P. Oh but Lord I scarce think that any so wicked as my selfe were saved for I was an Idolater an Adulterer a Thiefe a Drunkard and what not that was wicked J. Such were many of my servants that are now in heaven but I according to my owne kindnesse and pitty to them saved them by washing sanctifying and justifying them by my owne (g) Or power Name Blood and Spirit 1 Cor. 9.6 9 10 11. Tit. 3.3 4 5 6 7. P. Oh but mercifull Saviour I was a Ring-leader of others into sinne and I enticed and drew many into wickednesse and therefore my case is far worse then others J. As thou wast a Ring-leader and Enticer of others into sin so I can make thee a guide and leader of others into and in the way of righteousnesse as I made thy Country-man Levi and others P. But that which makes me fear most is because I was a Blasphemer Reviler and Persecutor of thy people yea many of thy Saints did I shut up in Prison J. Yet thou shalt have mercy because thou didst it ignorantly through unbeliefe 1 Tim. 1.13 P. Oh but Lord I finde my heart is hardened through the deceitfulnesse and custome of sinne that I cannot hope it will ever be otherwise J. I can and will take the stony heart out of thy flesh and I will give thee a heart of flesh Eze. 36.26 P. Lord wilt thou doe all for mee J. I must do all for thee for without mee thou canst doe nothing Phil. 2.13 Joh. 15.5 P. Lord what then shall I do J. Before I teach thee what thou must doe I will first shew thee what I have done and suffered for thee P. Good Master I desire to know that J 1. I left my own glory and came into the world to save thee and such sinners as thou art John 17.5 1 Tim 1.15 2. Though I was the onely Son of my Father and in his own forme and equall to him yet I tooke upon mee the forme of a servant for thee and thy brethrens sake Joh. 1.14 Phil. 2.6 7 8. 3. Though I was Heire of all things and Possessour of heaven and earth yet I became poore and hungry that thou mightest be made rich Heb. 1.2 Gen. 14.19 and 2 Cor. 8.9 4. Though I deserved honour and glory yet I was reviled threamed and persecuted by my owne creatures and all for my good will to thee Heb. 2.9 1 Pet. 2.23 5. Though I had no sinne yet I was made sin that thou poore sinner mightest escape sin 1 Pet. 1.19 and 2.22 2 Cor. 1.21 6. Though I was a Law-giver and Law-maker yet I became under the curse of my own Law that I might redeem thee from that curse Esa 33.22 Gal. 3.13 7. When I had power over mine own life and no man could take it from mee yet I laid it downe for thee that thou mightest have life Joh. 10.18 Rom. 5.6.9 1 Ioh. 3.16 8. Though I was my fathers delight and an object of his love from everlasting yet I became an object of his wrath for my love to thee Prov. 8.30 Psa 88.16 102.10 9. When thou wast an enemy and stranger to God my father I made peace betweene him and thee and reconciled thee to him by my death and jufferings Rom. 5.10 Col. 1.20 21. Eph. 2.12 13. 10. When thou wert a slave to the Devil and a fire-brand of hel I did rescue thee from the power of the one and redeem thee from the plague and punishment of the other 2 Tim. 2.25 Amos 4.11 Heb. 2.14 1 Thes 1.10 P. Oh Lord I did not deserve any of this from thee J. True thou didst not deserve it but yet I did it freely and out of my love to thee Rom. 3.24 Eph. 5.2 P. Are all my sins Lord satisfied for and done away by thy death J. Yes they are perfectly satisfied for and absolutely don away out of my fathers sight never to be imputed again to thee 2 Cor. 5.19 P. And is there nothing now in the way that hinders me to bee saved J. No there is nothing for I have taken all things out of the way that hindred thee to be saved Col. 2.14 P. And am I to do nothing to be saved J. No nothing at all towards thy owne salvation for I have bought thee from death and purchased thee life and salvation 1 Cor. 6.20 1 Pet. 1.18 19. Eph. 1.14 P. Shall I then be saved Lord J. Yes if thou wilt beleeve and trust wholly and onely upon me and upon my righteousnesse and merits thou shalt bee saved Joh. 3.36 Rom. 9.33 and Ro. 10.9.11 P. Lord I would beleeve but I partly am afraid to beleeve and partly I am so weak I cannot beleeve J. Thou poor fearefull heart feare not but be strong Esa 35.4 But tell me why thou art afraid P. Least I should
upon winde and provoked mee to anger most bitterly yet my bowells did still worke toward Ephraim that I could not destroy him Hos 8.8 and 12.1.14 with 11.8 Bel But I increased in sin and the more mercies I received the more my heart was exalted Ch Even so did Ephraim sin more and more and according as hee was filled so his heart was exalted Hos 13.2 6. Bel But Lord what didst thou do to Ephraim Ch I drew them with the cords of a man and with bands of love and I was as the dew unto them Heb. 11.4 and 14.5 Bel Oh but I have forsaken the Lord and backeslided from thee Ch So did Israel and Judah Jer. 2.13 and 3.6 and 4.16 Bel But Lord I find that my heart is bent to continuall backesliding yea my backeslidings are encreased Ch So were * Hos 11.7 Ier. 5.6 they yet I healed their backslidings so will I heale thine also Hos 14.4 Jer. 3.14.22 Bel But I fell into grosse sinnes that hath dishonoured thee and caused thine enemies to blaspheme Ch So did my servant David 2 Sam. 12.14 and other of my Saints Bel I but then he did mourne and repent greatly for his sins but I cannot do so for I find my heart as hard as an Adamant Ch So my people Israels hearts formerly were as hard as a Rocke Adamant and Flint Jer. 5.3 Ezek. 3.9 Bel Oh but I have been long yea ever troubled with this hardnesse of heart Ch Though thou hast yet I wil take the stony heart out of thy flesh and I wil give thee a heart of flesh Eze. 36.26 Bel But I cannot repent mee of the hardnesse of my heart Ch What though yet I am exalted to give repentance unto thee Act. 5.31 Bel Oh but I doe not find that I am sensible enough of my sin for if I were I should mourne and be ashamed for all the wickednesse which I have committed against thee Ch When thou doest see mee whom thou hast pierced and when thou seest that I am pacified towards thee then thou shalt mourn loath thy selfe and bee ashamed for all thy sinnes and abominations which thou hast committed against me Rev. 1.7 Ezek. 6.9 16.63 B. But Lord I am a very great sinner and I would faine see the nature and number of my sins that I might truly repent me of them and be humbled for them C. If thou didst se all thy sins with their nature number and aggravations thou couldst never look upon them Gen. 4.13 Mar. 27.3 4 5. but with despaire as Cain and Iudas And it is not so much the sight of sin as the sight of my Love Grace Goodnesse and Glory that will lead thee to repentance and humble thee for thy sins Luk. 7.42.47 Zach. 12 10. Rom. 2.4 Esa 6.5 B. Oh Lord I know I am as wicked a sinner and as ungodly a wretch as ever lived but though I know this yet methinks I am not broken with the sence thereof I cannot weep nor shed tears for my sins Oh no! I go many times to prayer and to heare Sermons and there is no more working nor relenting upon my soule then if J were a dead stock or stone C. Oh my deare soule do not thou belye thy selfe for I have heard many a sorrowfull sigh comming from thy heart and I have seene many a teare drop from thine Eyes Ezek. 9.4 Psal 34.17 Zack 12.11 Heb. 5.7 and I will yet poure out more of the Spirit of mourning upon thee But what if thou didst not finde these things in thy selfe yet I have offered up strong cries and teares unto my Father for thee B. Oh Lord that I had but faith to beleeve that for my selfe C. Have faith in me and be not faithlesse but beleeving Mar. 11.22 Ioh. 20.27 B. Lord I find so much Atheisme and unbeliefe in my heart that I have often times questionings in my selfe concerning God and concerning the Scriptures and word of God C. These are the temptations and suggestions of Satan and my own Disciples were and are troubled with them Luk. 24.25 B. Oh Lord J am troubled with a thousand temptations Yet feare not my loving and deare Child for though thou hast divers temptations Jam. 1.2 1 Cor. 10.13 Heb. 2.18 2 Pet. 2.9 yet it is that which my best Saints have had and I will not suffer thee th be tempted above what thou art able but I will succour thee in thy temptations and I will make away that thou shalt escape and be deliver out of temptation B. But I think that no Saint hath such temptations as mine for sometimes I am tempted to kill my selfe and sometimes to kill others insomuch that J cannot look upon any weapon waters or the like but I am ready to do my selfe away therewith C. Satan tempted me to cast my selfe of the Pinacle of the Temple and he also tempted many of my deare Children to destroy themselves but do not thou hearken to the Accuser for he doth accuse thee to me and me to thee but rather say unto him Mar. 4.5 Rev. 12.10 Job 12.31 Satan it is written my Lord Jesus hath overcome thee and I hope through his bloud and through his might and spirit to overcome thee likewise say also my God hath commanded me not to kill another Exod. 20.13 Act. 16.28 Job 13.15 nor to doe hurt or violence to my selfe therefore get thee behind me thou lier murtherer and Enemy for I will put my trust in Christ though he kill me and I will endeavour to live to serve him though he should afterwards damne me B. Though I do sometimes resolve against Satans temptations and labour to resist them yet I find my temptations are renewed and I am not able to withstand them for they come in as a floud upon me C. I that say unto the proud waves hitherto shalt thou come but no further I will by my spirit put the Enemy Satan to flight when he comes in like a floud against thee Job 38.11 Se Esa 59.19 marg B. But Lord I find I am not only troubled with feare and sad temptations but also with strong and powerfull corruptions C. I will subdue all thy iniquities and thy sins shall not have dominion ouer thee Mich. 7.19 Rom. 6.14 B. Oh but this doth much trouble me that I do not find any love in my heart to thee Deut. 30.6 1 Joh. 4.19 C. What though thou dost not yet I will circumcise thy heart and thou shalt love me and when thou apprehendest my love to thee thou wilt love me againe B. I have sinned Lord against thy mercies and abased thy love yea loved my sins more then thee therefore I cannot think that ever thou wilt look upon me with any love or delight C. So did my servant David 2 Sam. 12.8 9. Hos 2.5 14.4 2.9 and my people Jsrael doe yet as I loved them so will I love thee freely and betroth thee to me