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A56638 A continuation of the Friendly debate by the same author. Patrick, Simon, 1626-1707.; Wild, Robert, 1609-1679.; Patrick, Simon, 1626-1707. Friendly debate between a conformist and a non-conformist. 1669 (1669) Wing P779; ESTC R7195 171,973 266

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the bondage of the Church the straightning of the Spirit the limiting of Christ Edw. Gangr 1 part p. 212. and the ecclipsing of the glory of the Father Nay it is pretty to observe how the very Mystery of Iniquity you had so long complain'd on was now found working among you Vniformity Mr. Saltmarsh said was a piece of it And Mr. Dell in his Epistle before his Sermon of Right Reformation preached before the Parliament calls Presbytery a new form of that mystery of iniquity which had been so long a working The Beast they held had only chang'd its shape and taken another name and so they baited it most fiercely as you had taught them And told you in effect what the Proverb says that Goose and Gander and Gosling are three sounds but one thing But they would not part with you thus for after they had done with this then they fell upon your darling the Solemn League and Covenant This became a brand of infamy a Cains mark almost as Mr. Case tells us * Thanksg Serm. for taking of Chester p. 26. so that if they would stigmatize a man to purpose they would say He He is a Covenanter As you had told us that we made an Idol of the Common-Prayer so Mr. Peters told you publickly in a Sermon at the three Cranes that you kept such a stir about the Covenant as if you would have the people make an Idol of it Mr. Feak also called it the great Idol of the two Kingdoms And so fit had this word been found to do service that at last one told us that you had got two Idols for on one For the Parliament and the Pulpit said an * Letter to Card. Barber Outlandish Gentleman imitating the language of the times are the two great Idols of the people the greatest that ever were For it 's held a kind of blasphemy to speak against the one and the whole Body of Religion is nail'd to the other It comes to my mind also how you who joyn'd in the outcryes against Malignants were numbred in conclusion among them and said to be grown indeed to a more refined Malignancy but that there was no greater difference between a Presbyter and a Prelate than between a half Crown piece and two shillings and six pence And as your good friend Mr. Vicars had told us that God had made us to be the very drudges and Scul-boyes of his Church and children So Mr. Peters in good time told you in a Pamphlet of his that the Presbyterians were no better than Gibeonites who might help to hew stone and square Timber for a more glorious building N. C. Will you never have done C. You must let me remember you what a mighty clamor you raised against the Bishops as if they had been so many Ishmaels that persecuted Gods Isaacs and you have not forgot sure how oft you were called your selves the Carnal seed the fleshly children the persecuters of the children of the free woman For your Ministers that accused the Bishops and made it a main part of their Remonstrance to the house of Commons in the beginning of the Wars that they had put some who were but Serving-men into Orders and made them Ministers saw in a little time a whole swarm of vile creatures nothing so good as Serving-men making themselves Ministers and setting up for the most Gospel-preachers And there was no remedy but all their preaching and printing and petitioning against it was despised These taught the people to call them blind Guides as they had taught them to call our Priests Nay their Masters at last incouraged and rewarded the scoffs of those that said These blind Guides travailing as they thought to Sion are faln into the ditch in the Isle of Wight Insatiable hirelings Gehazi's cheaters pulpited Divines and a great lurry of such like names were liberally dealt to them as you may see if you will not believe me in their own complaint called A Seasonable Exhortation p. 11. Nay the Army it self which had been so instrumental in all this wickedness and magnified by these revilers as the Army of the Lamb at last heard themselvs called the Abomination of Desolation All which I mention only for this end to shew what your Ministers got by instructing the people in this easie Art of disgracing all they dislik'd with the names of Antichristian Babylonish and such like As they had done so they were requited And while the Episcopal Clergy silently bore the punishment of their sins they that had cast out their names as abominable were whipt with their own rods When they thought to reign as kings without us immediately they were assaulted as Egyptian Tyrants when they expected all should bow to the Scepter of Christ in their hand they saw men rising up against them as Antichristian Those that had heard their Invectives against us imploy'd them against themselves And all the Dung they had laid at our doors was flung by those that had been their followers in their own faces If I were indued with the Spirit of Mr. Vicars or Mr. Case I should have said upon this occasion Behold the finger of God! the Work of him that created the Spirit of man See how the Lord over-ruled mens hearts and ordered their Spirits to terrifie these Presbyters Or Mr. Brightman would have taught me to say The Lord hath made your Priests contemptible to the whole people because they have broken their Covenant But I dare not imitate their boldness nor talk as if I was infallible I will let them enjoy this particular gift to themselves of knowing what God doth upon the spirits of men For my part I think they might be able to say all this even without any extraordinary help of the Devil There was no need that Beelzebub should come to inspire them with this fury For they were already possessed with a mighty Rage That Spirit which spoke out of the Press and Pulpit had abundantly furnish't them with this powerful and taking Rhetorick And if Mr. Brightman had lived to that day he would have wondred to see how near of kin his Heat was to this Fire Nay he would have been ashamed of his rare way of reasoning against our Church when he had heard some retort his words against us upon the Philadelphians I mean Disciplinarians saying Truly the Lord hath powred contempt upon Princes Those that honour him doth he honour and those that despise him shall be despised And thus I have at last opened this rotten Vlcer I hope you will not be angry if I use his words * In 3. Rev. 17. latter end If my labour shall be acceptable and the sore being purged be healed again how great thanks shall I return to God But if the evil shall be only stirred up and the handling of it shall offend the sick and sore parties I will yet comfort my self with the conscience of the good discharge of my Duty and with the ordinary