exercuerunt Vtinam potius liceat perpetua obliuione eorum memoriam obruere I will not reaken vp the vnhappy combats that haue exercised the Church in our time about the sense of these words I would rather they might ones vtterly be forgotten And by and by he reiecteth the opinion of Carolostadius calling it insulâ—um coÌ„mentum a doltish deuise I say then of Caluin the bemoning of the matter betrayeth his meaning It is not his maner perdy to bemone the Papistes Protestants then nedes must they be whome Caluin there calleth blasphemous But here note good Reader what shiftes these fellowes haue when they are pressed to see the truthe M. Nowell laieth al the fault to false reporters and as Caluin pitied him and his felowes for inconsiderat zele so he pitieth Caluin againe for incoÌ„siderat beleuing of false reporters But what a foolish pitie this was on M. Nowells part and how vnsauerly he soluteth this obiection I leaue it to M. Dorman who will I doubt not sufficiently discouer his exceding foly herein Thus then M. Nowell But what shifte hath M. Horne Forsothe full wilely and closely he stealeth cleane away from the matter it self framing to M. Feckenham an argumente whiche the basest Logicioner of a hundred woulde be ashamed lo vtter And thus with folie on the one side and crafte on the other side willfulnes ouercometh heresie contineweth and the obiection is vnanswered Yet to presse it a litle more for such as haue eies and shut theÌ„ not against the light you shal vnderstaÌ„d that Iohn Caluin was offended not only with his brethern of EnglaÌ„d but also with those of Germany yea and of his own neighbors about him for attributing to Princes the spirituall gouernemeÌ„t which M. Horn auoucheth to be the principall parte of the Princes royall power In the booke and leafe before noted he saith Sed interea sunt homines inconsiderati qui faciuÌ„t illos nimis spirituales Et hoc vitium passim regnat in Germania In his etiam regionibus nimium grassatur Et nunc sentimus quales fructus nascantur ex illa radice quòd scilicet principes et quicunque potiuntur imperio putent se ita spirituales esse vt nullum sit amplius Ecclesiasticum Regimen Et hoc sacrilegium apud eos grassatur quia non possunt metiri suum officium certis legitimis finibus sed non putant posse se regnare nisi aboleaÌ„t omnem Ecclesiae authoritateÌ„ sint summi iudices tam in doctrina quà m in toto spirituali regimine But in the meane while there are vnaduised persons which doe make theÌ„ he meaneth Lay Princes to spirituall And this ouersight rayneth most in Germany In these Countres also it procedeth ouermuch And nowe we feele what fruytes springe vp of that roote verely that Princes and al such as do beare rule think theÌ„ selues nowe so spirituall that there is no more any Ecclesiastical gouernemeÌ„t And this sacrilege taketh place among theÌ„ bicause they can not measure their office within certayn and lawful boundes But are persuaded that their kingdome is nothinge except they abolish all Authority of the Church and become them selues the Supreme Iudges as wel in doctrine as in al kinde of Spirituall gouernement Hitherto Iohn Caluin If M. Feckenham or any Catholike subiecte of England had said or writeÌ„ so much you would haue charged him M. Horn with an vnkind meaning to the Prince aÌ„d to the State yea and say that he bereueth and spolyeth the Prince of the principall part of her royall power But now that Caluin saith it a man by you not onely estemed but authorised also so farre as is aboue sayd what saye you to it M. Horne or what can you possybly deuise to say He calleth yt plaine sacrilege that princes can not measure and limit their power but that they must become the supreme Iudges in all Ecclesiasticall gouernement And doe not you M. Horne defend that princes not onely may but oughte also to be the Supreme Gouernours in all Ecclesiasticall causes All I say nay you say your selfe without exception For if say you ye excepte or take away any thinge yt ys not all You theÌ„ M. Horn that auouch so sternly that the Prince must haue al supreme gouernement in matters Ecclesiasticall answer to your Maister to your Apostle and to your Idoll Iohn Caluin of Geneua and satisfie his complaynte complayning and lamenting that Princes wil be the Supreme Iudges as well in doctrine as in all kinde of Spirituall gouernement Answer to the zelous Lutherans and the famous lyers of Magdeburge who in their preface vpon the 7. Century complaine also ful bitterly that the lay Magistrats wil be heads of the Church wil determine dostrine and appoynte to the Ministers of God what they shall preache and teache and what forme of Religion they shall folowe And is not all your preaching and teaching and the whole forme and maner of all your Religion nowe in England enacted established and set vp by acte of parliament by the lay magistrats only the Ministers of God all the bishops and the inferiour clergy in the Conuocation howse vtterly but in vayne reclayming against it Speake speake Maister Morne Is not all that you doe in matters of Religion obtruded to Priestes and Ministers by force of the temporall Lawe Aunswere then to Caluines complaynte Aunswere to your bretherne of Germanie Yea aunswere to Philippe Melanchthon the piller and ankerhold of the ciuill Lutherans who saith also that in the Interim made in Germany Potestas politica extrametas egressa est The Ciuil power passed her boundes and addeth Non sunt confundendae functiones The functions of both Magistrats are not to be coÌ„founded Yea answer to Luther him selfe the great graÌ„dsir of al your pedegree He saith plainly Non est Regum aut Principum etiam veram doctrinam confirmare sed ei subijci seruire It belongeth not to Kings or Princes so much as to confirme the true doctrine but to be subiecte and to obeye it See you not here howe farre Luther is froÌ„ geuing the supreme gouernemeÌ„t in al Ecclesiastical causes to Princes Answere then to these M. Horne These are no Papistes They are your own dere brethern Or yf they are not defye them that we way knowe of what secte and company you are What wil you in matters of ReligioÌ„ stand post alone Wil you so rent and teare a sonder the whole Coate of Christ the vnity of his dere spouse the Church that you alone of England contrary not only to al the Catholik Church but also contrary to the chief M. of Geneua Iohn Caluin contrary to the Chief Maisters of the Zelous Lutherans Illiricus and his felowes contrrary to the Chief M. of the Ciuil Lutherans Philip Melanchton yea and contrary to the father of theÌ„ al Martin Luther briefly coÌ„trary to al sortes and sectes of Protestants you wil alone you only I say
behoueth vs al with al our harte to pray let them be feruente in the godly zeale of religion but they may not be heads of the Churche in no case for this Supremacy doth not appertayne to them These are no Papistes I trowe Maister Horne but youre owne deare brethern of Magdeburge in their newe storie ecclesiastical by the which they would haue al the worlde directed yea in that story whereof one parcel Illiricus and his fellowes haue dedicated to the Quenes Maiesty that beare the worlde hand they are the true and zelouse schollers of Luther In case ye thinke their testimony not to haue weight enowgh then herkē to your and their Apostle Luther who writeth that it is not the office of Kings and princes to cōfirme no not the true doctrine but to be subiecte and serue the same Perhaps ye wil refuse and reiecte bothe the Magdeburgenses and Luther to as your mortal enemies yow being a sacramentarye and such as take yow and your fellowes for stark heretiks A hard and a straunge case that now Luther cā take no place amōge a nōber of the euāgelical brethern What say yow then to Andreas Modreuiu◠Surely one of the best lerned of al your sect How lyke yow then him that saieth there ought to be some one to be taken for the chiefe and Supreame head in the whole Churche in al causes ecclesiastical Wel I suppose you wil challenge him to as a Lutherane Yf it muste neades be so I trust M. Caluin your greatest Apostle shal beare some sway with yow I know ye are not ignorante that he calleth those blasphemers that did call kinge Henry the eight Supreme heade of the Churche of Englande and handleth the kinge hī selfe with such vilany and with so spitefull woords as he neuer handled the Pope more spitefully and al for this title of Supremacy which is the key of this your noble booke Can ye now blame the Catholikes M. Horne yf they deny this supremacy which the heads of your owne religion aswel Lutherans as Zwingliās doe deny and refuse O what a straunge kinde of religion is this in Englande that not onely the Catholikes but the very patriarches of the new euangelical brotherhod doe reiecte and condemne Perchaunce ye wil saye Wel for al this there is no Englishe man of this opinion Mary that were wonderfull that if as we be sequestred and as it were shut vp from other countres by the great Ocean sea that doth enuyrō vs so we should be shut vp from the doctrine as wel of the Catholiks as also the Protestants of other cōtreis and that with vs the Lutherans and Zwingliās should finde no frendes to accompany them in this as wel as in other points But contente your self M. Horne and thinke you if ye do not alredy that either your self or many other of your brethern like the quenes supremacy neuer a deale in hart what so euer ye pretēd and dissemble in words Think ye that Caluin is so slenderly frended in Englād his bookes being in such high price and estimatiō there No no it is not so to be thought The cōtrary is to wel knowē especially the thing being not only opēly preached by one of your most feruēt brethren there in England euen since the Queenes maiesties reigne but also before openly and sharply writen against by your brethren of Geneua Especially one Anthonie Gilbie Whose wordes I wil as wel for my discharge in this matter somewhat at large recite as also to shew his iudgement of the whole Religion as well vnder King Henrie as King Edward and so consequently of the said Religion vnder our gracious Quene Elizabeth nowe vsed and reuiued that all the worlde may see that to be true that I said of the Supremacie as also that the feruent brethren be not yet come to any fixe or stable Religion and that they take this to be but simple as yet ād vnperfit In the time saith he of King Henrie the eight when by Tindall Frith Bilney and other his faithfull seruauntes God called England to dresse his vineyarde many promised ful faire whome I coulde name but what fruite followed Nothing but bitter grapes yea bryers and brambles the wormewood of auarice the gall of crueltie the poyson of filthie fornication flowing from head to fote the contempt of God and open defence of the cake Idole by open proclamation to be read in the Churches in steede of Gods Scriptures Thus was there no reformation but a deformation in the time of the Tyrant and lecherouse monster The bore I graunt was busie wrooting and digging in the earth and all his pigges that followed him but they sought onely for the pleasant fruites that they winded with their long snoutes and for their owne bellies sake they wrooted vp many weeds but they turned the ground so mingling good and badde togeather sweet and sower medecine and poyson they made I saye suche confusion of Religion and Lawes that no good thing could growe but by great miracle vnder suche Gardeners And no maruaile if it be rightlye considered For this Bore raged against God against the Diuell against Christe and against Antichriste as the some that he caste out againste Luther the racing out of the name of the Pope And yet allowing his lawes and his murder of many Christian souldiars and of many Papists doe declare and euidentlie testifie vnto vs especially the burning of Barnes Ierome and Garrette their faithfull preachers of the truthe and hanging the same daye for maintenaunce of the Pope Poel Abel and Fetherstone dothe clearelie painte his beastlines that he cared for no Religion This monsterous bore for all this must needes be called the Heade of the Churche in paine of treason displacing Christe our onely head who ought alone to haue this title Wherefore in this pointe O Englande ye were no better then the Romishe Antichriste who by the same title maketh him selfe a God and sitteth in mens consciences banisheth the woorde of God as did your King Henrie whome ye so magnifie For in his beste time nothing was hearde but the Kings Booke the Kings Procedings the Kings Homilies in the Churches where Gods woorde onelie should haue ben preached So made you your King a God beleuing nothing but that he allowed I will not for shame name how he turned to his wonte I will not write your other wickednesse of those times your murders without measure adulteries and incestes of your King and his Lordes and Commones c. Loe Maister Horne howe well your Protestante fellowe of the beste race euen from Geneua lyketh this Supremacie by plaine woordes saiynge that this title whiche you so stoutlye in all this your booke auouche displaceth Christe who owghte and that onely to enioye it And whereas ye moste vntruely saye heere that we make the Pope our God in earth Maister Gilbie saieth that you make your Prince a God in attributing to her this wrong title
Eue had continued in state of grace they should neuer haue had children by any carnal copulatiō but otherwise Yea that there should haue bene no difference betwen the Male and the Female kinde Secondly he saied that the blessed Saintes in heauen doe not see the essence of God Whiche errour he learned of Petrus Abailardus againste whome S. Barnarde writeth and of Arnoldus Brixiensis of whome as I suppose Arnoldistae of whom we spake of be called Thirdly he said that the bodie of Christ is no otherwise in the Sacramente of the Aulter then in other bread and all other things Fourthly he said there was no hell Fifthly he denyed the resurrection of the flesh And yet is this Almaricus a worthy Bisshoppe and an holy Martyr in Maister Foxes madde Martyrologe Neither can he finde any matter why he was condemned but for teaching and holding againste Images whiche if it were true as it is false yet were he but a starke stinking Martyr I will nowe vnfolde and rippe vppe the heresies of some other condemned by Frederike that Maister Horne may see his own iudgement geuen against him and his fellowes especially against their hereticall Articles agreed vppon in their Schismaticall Conuocation and nowe after fower yeares offered to the Parliament to be confirmed and ratified geauen I saie not onely by the moste famouse Generall Councell aforesaied but also by his owne Supreme Head the Emperour Frederike and by his owne wordes and confession And here it shall be sufficient to set before yow the Waldenses onely For as a good fellowe ones said whiche had prouided a feast furnished with manye disshes to his friend maruailing at suche plentie but all was but swines fleshe which he had by his iolie cokerie dressed in suche diuersitie So all this rascall rablement of these huge monstruous names and sectes are in effecte nothing but the swinish secte of the Waldenses otherwise called the poore brethren of Lyons taking there their originall of one Waldo their vnlearned and blinde presumptuouse guide Whiche had in diuerse Countries diuerse names whereof some ye haue heard and were commonlie called in England as appeareth by our Actes of Parliamente and Chronicles and in some other Countries also Lollardes Wil ye then knowe what their Relligion and order was in Churche matters I remitte the Latine and learned Reader to Aeneas Syluius and to Paulus Aemilius and the English Reader to Maister Foxe him selfe Who at large to decke and beutifie his holy Canonisation setteth their errours and heresies foorth to his Reader And to be short there shal ye find that our holy English Cōuocatiō borowed their damnable Articles whereof we haue spoken of them and the whole order beside of this their gaie Gospelling Church Of this secte sprang among other the Albanenses whiche otherwise are called Albigenses of the people called Albij in the Countie of Tholous in Fraunce the whiche we haue before rehearsed Nowe the Arnoldistae can not be the schollers and disciples of Arnoldus de Villa noua being at this time and long after vnborne and so it seemeth that they are so called of Arnoldus Brixiensis and withal that as well Maister Horne as his Maister Illiricus from whome he fetched these Epistles of Arnoldus de Villa noua are out of the waye Maister Horne for imagining this Arnoldus to haue liued aboute the time of King Henrie the first And Illiricus for imagining Arnoldistas to be named of Arnoldus de Villa noua and to be condemned before he was borne Him selfe confessing that he liued aboute suche time as we before haue declared Maister Foxe also as greate an Antiquarie as he is as farre as I can learne confoundeth these two Arnoldus and maketh a great sturre for the auauncing of his newe Ghospel of this Arnoldus de villa noua being a false lying Prophet ▪ as I haue before shewed you And yt may be proued both by him and by Illyricus that he was an Heretique if he mainteyned suche errours as they specifie whereof nothing doth appeare in the foresaied Epistles And therfore I suppose yf any of them both mainteyned these errours yt was this Arnoldus Brixiensis Who for theis errours of the Waldenses as it may seme with his disciples is excommunicated by the generall coūcel as I tolde you before Now for the other secte of the Albanenses or Albigenses springinge of the loynes of the holye brother Waldo beside the cōmon and vsuall errours of the Waldenses they cōdēned matrimony ād lyued lyke brute beastes in most filthie and beastlie bytchery Who not withstanding multiplied in such sort and so desperatly suffred al kind of punishmēt ād death to for the maynteyning of theire heresies that they were set vpon and destroyed with an armie And yet are they preciouse martyrs with M. Foxe thoughe him self cōfesse that the chroniclers make them no better thē Turkes and infidelles and wold fayne for the honesty of his new ghospell and hys newe canonisation that men shoulde thinke yt were not so contrary to all the Chroniclers vpon his owne bare woorde as one that doth not nor euer shal be able to shewe any thinge worthye of any credite to the contrarye The desperate rage of theis wilde wodde Waldenses was suche as I haue sayde that they did not shūne but rather couitte deathe to make they re secte in the eies of the worlde more commendable as M. Foxes holye martyrs haue of late donne in Englande and els where and for this cause bothe the councell and themperour calleth them Patarenos For they so called them selues as in the olde tyme the Messalian heretikes called them selues for the like cause Martyrianos as men glorying that for their secte and heresie had suffred martyrdomme Now let Mayster foxe make an accompte of hys holy martyrs and see howe manie he canne fynde that haue not maynteyned the sayd errours of these Albigenses Paterans or Waldenses and he shall fynde his holie cataloge altogether voyde and empted So that the olde martyrs may take they re olde place in the Kalender againe And because Mayster Foxe doth so highlie esteme these men and so lightlye regardeth what so euer either the forsayde moste famous and lerned councell or the late councell of Trente hathe sayde or donne againste the doctrine of his holye Martyrs and wyll not belieue the catholikes when they truelye call them furiouse and madde martyrs let him at the leaste belieue this Emperour Friderike a newe greate Charles as Mayster Horne sayeth and let hym in fewe wordes heare a rownde and a full answere to all his vglie and madde martyrologe He then speaking of the sect of the folishe frontyke and wood Waldo sayeth In exēplum martyrū qui pro fide catholica c. They call them selues sayeth Fridericus as thowghe they followed the example of the Martyrs which died for the catholike fayth Paterans as men prompte and redie to suffer death howbeit these wretched Paterans hauing no
from the highest him self Bilike these meÌ„ would seme to be called as S. Paul was NoÌ„ ab hominibus neque per homineÌ„ sed per Iesum ChristuÌ„ Not of men nor by man but by Iesus Christ euen with a voice froÌ„ heauen O peuish pride and most foÌ„d presumption But to the matter The Lutherans or Martiniste Ministers of Antwerpe in their Confession haue one whole Chapter Contra errorem Sacramentariorum Against the errour of the Sacramentarâ—es It is the seuententh in number In that Chapter they proue the Reall presence and the Consecration of the Mysteries and they labour to coÌ„fute the fond obiectioÌ„s of the Sacramentaries vsed also very sadly of M. Iewel in his Replie against the Reall presence touching the tropicall sence of Christes wordes whiche they denie vtterly and touching the assension of Christe into heauen which they proue though by an other errour of their owne as Tiletanus at large declareth that the same article maketh nothiÌ„g against the Real or Corporal presence of Christ in the Sacrament Briefely the Lutherans do thus pronounce of your Brethern the Sacramentaries Communion M. Horne which you doe make so holy a matter The Lutheran Ministers of Antwerp in their printed Confession say thus Caluinistarum Leiturgia noÌ„ vno sacrilegio vitiata coÌ„taminataque est eoque proh dolor passim innumeras animas aeterno exitio inuoluit The CoÌ„munion of the Caluinists is defiled and contaminated with diuers Sacrilegies aÌ„d therfore alas it enwrappeth euery where infinit nuÌ„bers of soules into eternal damnatioÌ„ Lo M. Horne what agreemeÌ„t in Religion there is betwen you Protestaunts Your holy CoÌ„munion of England is coÌ„demned for sacrilegious and damnable of your owne brethren the scholers of Martin Luther whom your Apology commendeth for a most excellent man and one sent of God to lighten his Church All that frequente your holie Communion Maister Horne are damned saie the Lutherans of Antwerpe Bragge no more Maister Horne of your agreement Your horrible dissention glistereth so cleere cryeth so lowd and blustereth so great that as long as we haue eyes to see eares to heare and hands to fele we can not choose but behold it in the face we must nedes heare the voice of it and our senses must of necessitie palpablie feele it And the sight the voyce and the sense therof coÌ„uinceth vnto vs with an vnuincible Argument that your whole Religion is a cleere heresie as proceeding from the Deuill the spirit of dissention not from God who is the God of vnity peace and concorde The .160 Diuision Pag. 101. a. M. Fekenham The fourth and last point is that I must swere to the obseruatioÌ„ of this othe not only to the Quenes highnes aÌ„d our soueraign Lady that now is but also vnto her heyers and successours Kings and Queenes of this Realme And bicause euery Christian man ought to be carefull to auoid periurie therein I would right gladly knowe that if any her highnes successours should by the refusall of the said title of Supremacie bind her subiects by the like statute lawe vnto the cleane contrarie experience whereof was of late made here in this Realme that it is yet freshe in the memories of all men In this case I would right gladly knowe what authoritie is able to dispence againe with this Othe And if there be none at all then the subiectes of this Realme in this case are bounde and that by booke Othe to liue in a continuall disobedience to the lawes of their soueraigne Lord or Ladie King or Quene the case wherof is very lamentable And christian charity would that it shoulde be foreseene and prouided for And for mine owne parte being further touched herein then I haue yet expressed my very trust and hope is that the charity of this our newe refourmed Churche here in this realme shal not be found so colde and shorte as in prouiding so sharpe lawes and paines of death to force men to take this othe of the Quenes Highnes Supreamacie but that it will prouide also such meanes and wayes wherby the subiects may receiue the same with safe coÌ„science and without al periurie And in so doing I shal most willingly submit my selfe and receiue also that part of the Othe And shall further therevpon set foorth the Quenes highnes Supremacie with al Titles and Prerogatiues bothe by penne and worde of mouth and that with as desirous harte and glad will as any subiect that is this day liuing in her highnesse Realme So that of the premisses ye may well vnderstande that there is in mee no other cause of staie touching the later part of this Othe then very conscience And that I would before right gladly know touching these forenamed points how I might sweare vnto them and not committe periurie therein M. Hoâ—ne As euerie Christian man ought to be carefull to auoide Periurie both in this and al other matters euen so vvise men may vvell knovve vvhat you meane by the conditionall case ye put of the refusall by her highnesse Successours of this Title vvhereto the holy Ghoste maketh you this plaine ansvver Spes Hypocritae peribit The Hypocrites hope shall perishe You sprinkle this doubtfull case vvith a pouder of late experience â—vhiche seasoneth your mater De facto non de Iure For it is not lavvfull for any Christian prince to refuse .554 this Supremacie vvhich is the beste parte of his princely Ministery and seruice vnto God Neither may be more biâ—de his subiectes by lavve to become svvoren to the Pope and Poperye than to the â—55 greate â—urke and turkerie For that the Pope is a more perillous .556 ennemie vnto Christ than the turke and Popery much more Idolatrous then turkery And therefore there is no humaine Authoritie that can dispence vvith the violation of this lavvfull Othe made of duety vnto the Christian Princes This is a lameÌ„table case I grauÌ„t that subiectes should liue in coÌ„tinual disobedieÌ„ce to the lavves of the prince vvhether it happeÌ„ for that the lavves be so vngodly that a christian subiect may not vvith good coÌ„scieÌ„ce obey theÌ„ experience vvherof vvas of late made here in this Realme Or for that the stubbornesse of the subiect mainteined vvith a vvicked and yet a vaine hope be so stiffe that vvilfully he liueth in a coÌ„tinual disobedieÌ„ce to the Godly lavves of his soueragine vvherof experience is made novv at this time in you and a fevve others of your .557 conspiracie There is good cause vvhie ye should haue your very trust aÌ„d hope as you saie ye haue hovv vngratiousely soeuerye thiÌ„k assured of the charity of our church nevvly reformed after the rule of gods vvord vvherat ye Popish svvine grunte and groine For you in your ovvne self haue perfect experieÌ„ce that the supreme gouernour vnder Christ of this realm folovving the exaÌ„ple of her heaueÌ„ly father doth bouÌ„tifully of her goodnes vvith much more patieÌ„ce and loÌ„g sufferiÌ„g allure you to dutiful
wherin Christ wil haue no cōpartener Surely we make no God of the Pope and sometimes perhappes no good man neyther And yet we reuerence him for his office and authoritie that Christe so amplie and honorablie gaue him for preseruation of vnitie and quietnes in his Church Your wisedome with like truth also appeareth in that you call the Pope the Archeretike of Rome naming no man And so your woordes so liberallie and wantonly cast out doe as wel comprehend S. Peter S. Clement and other holy Martyrs and Bishops there as anye other I promise you a wel blowen blast and hansomly handeled With like finenesse you call him Archeretike that is the supreme Iudge ouer all Heretikes and heresies too and that hath already iudged you and your Patriarches for Archeritikes I wisse as well might the fellon at the barre in Westmynster hall to saue his life if it mighte be call the Iudge the strongest theef of all and doubtles had he a Prince on his side his plea were as good as youres is Now where ye say we would haue the Pope to raigne here in the Quenes place procedeth frō your lik truth ād wisedom For albeit the Popes autority was euer chief for matters eccleastical yet was there neuer any so much a noddie to say ād beleue the Pope raigned here The Pope and the King beīg euer two distinct persons farre different the one from the other in seueral functions and administrations and yet wel concurrant and coincident togeather without any◠imminution of the one or the others authoritie Wel ye wil perhap say that albeit M. Gilbie misliketh this title in the Prince yet he liketh wel the religiō especially such as now is and such as was in King Edwards daies which is all one Herken then I pray you what his censure and iudgement is therof I will name saith he no particular thinges because I reuerence those dayes meaninge of King Edwarde sauing only the killing of both the Kings vncles and the prisonment of Hoper for Popes garmentes God graunt you al repentant hartes For no order or state did anye parte of his duetie in those daies but to speak of the best wherof you vse to boast your Religion was but an English Mattins patched foorth of the Popes Portesse many things were in your great booke superstitious and foolish All were driuen to a prescript seruice like the Papists that they should think their dueties discharged if the number were sayed of Psalmes and Chapters Finallye their coulde no discipline be brought into the Churche nor correction of manners I trust nowe M. Horne that you will somewhat the more beare with the Catholikes if they can not wel beare the seruice and title which your companions so yll liketh Yet because ye are so harde maister to M. Fekenham and his fellowes to haue their doing a preparation to rebellion against the Quenes person for defēding Ecclesiastical authority which nothīg toucheth her person or croun as without the which it hath most honorably continued and florished many hūdred yeres and shal by Gods grace continew full well and full long againe when it shall please God let this title and iurisdiction Ecclesiasticall goe which al good Princes haue euer forgon as nothing to them apertaining Let vs come to the very temporall authoritie and lette vs consider who make any preparation of rebellion the Catholikes or the Protestants Who are they I pray you that haue set foorth deuises of their owne for the succession of the crowne withoute the Princes knowledge Surely no Catholikes but the very Protestants them selues Who blewe the first blast of the trompet I pray you Who are those that haue set foorth in open printed bookes in the English tongue that neither Queene Marie nor this our gracious Quene were lawfull inheritours of the Croune And finally that it is againste the Lawe of God and nature that anye woman shoulde inherite anye principalitie or Kingdome No Catholique I warrante you but your holye brethren so feruente in the woorde of the Lorde Yea amonge other M. Iohn Knoxe the new Apostle of Scotlande It is not birth onely saith he or propinquitie of bloud that maketh a King lawfully to reigne aboue the people professing Iesus Christ and his eternal veritie but in his election muste the ordināce which God hathe established in the election of inferiour Iudges be obserued Loe this Apostle excludeth al succession as well of men as women and will haue the Kingdome to goe by election that in case there be founde any Prince that fansieth not this newe Apostle that then he may be lawfullye deposed and a newe brother in his roome placed And therefore I feare not saith he to affirme that it had been the dutie of the Nobilitie Iudges Rulers and people of Englande not onelie to haue resisted and against standed Marie that Iesabell whome they call their Queene but also to haue punnished her to deathe with all the sorte of her Idolatrous Priestes togeather with all suche as shoulde haue assisted her Ye shall nowe heare the verdit of an other good man a zealous brother of Caluins schole I knowe saieth he ye will saie the Croune is not entailed to the heires Males onelie but appertaineth as well to the daughters And therefore by the lawes of the Realme yee coulde not otherwise doe But if it be true yet miserable is the answeare of suche as hadde so longe time professed the Gospell and the liuely word of God If it had bene made of Paganes and Heathens whiche knewe not God by his woorde it mighte better haue bene borne withall but amonge them that bare the name of Gods people with whome his lawes shoulde haue chiefe authoritie this answeare is not tolerable And afterwarde If shee had bene no bastarde but the Kinges daughter as laufullie begotten as was her Sister that godlie Ladie and meeke lambe voide of all Spanisshe pride and straunge bloude yet in the sicknes and at the deathe of our lawfull Prince of Godlye memorie Kinge Edwarde the sixte that shoulde not haue bene your firste counsell or question who shoulde be your Queene but firste and principallye who had bene moste metest amonge your brethren to haue hadde the gouernemente ouer you and the whole gouernemente of the Realme to rule them carefullye in the feare of God After this he sheweth his minde more expresselye A woman saieth he to reigne Gods lawe forbiddeth and nature abhorreth whose reigne was neuer counted lawefull by the woorde of God but an expresse signe of Gods wrathe and a notable plague for the sinnes of the people As was the raigne of Iesabell and vngodlie Athalia especiall instrumentes of Sathan and whippes to his people of Israell I dooe here omitte a Sermon made by one of your Prelates that bothe Queene Marie and our graciouse Queene Elizabeth were bastardes And they saye that your selfe Maister Horne did the same at Durham Howe lyke yee this Maister Horne Is this a preparation of
and that by your owne arguments and inductions as we shal hereafter euidently declare So that nowe M. Fekenham may seeme to haue good cause much more then before to rest in the sayed stayes and scruples I may not here let passe M. Horne that you cal this saiyng In maleuolam animam non introibit sapientia a sentence of the holy Ghost That it is no lesse we gladly confesse it But how dare you so pronounce of that saiyng being written in the booke of wisedome That booke you wot wel your brethern of Geneua accompt for no Canonical Scripture at al suche as onelye are the sentences of the holye Ghoste to speake absolutely and proprely but in the notes before that booke and certaine other which they cal Apocrypha doe call them onely bookes proceedinge of godlye men not otherwise of force but as they agree with the Canonicall Scriptures or rather are grounded thereon In whiche sence not onely those bookes but the writings also of the Fathers yea and of al other men may be by your sentence the sentence of the holy Ghoste And Brentius likewise in his Prolegomenis agreeth with the Geneuian notes against M. Horne Thus these fellowes iarre alwayes amonge them selues and in all their doctrines fal into such points of discorde that in place of vniforme tuninge they ruffle vs vppe a blacke Sanctus as the Prouerbe is Quo teneam vultus mutantem Prothea nodo The .9 Diuision Pag 8. a. M. Horne You require a proufe hereof that an Emperoure or Empresse King or Queene maie claime or take vppon them anie suche gouernment meaning as the Queenes Maiestie our Soueraigne doth novv chalenge and take vpon her in Spirituall or Ecclesiasticall causes .33 For ansvveare I say thei ought to take vppon them suche gouernment therefore thei maie laufullie doe it The former part is found true by the whole discourse of the holie Scriptures both of the olde and nevv Testament by the testimonie of the Doctours in Christes Church by the Generall Councels and by the practise of Christes Catholique Churche throughout al Christendome The .7 Chapter opening a plaine Contradiction of M. Hornes MAister Fekenham as well at his abode with you as sins his returne to the Tower at such time as he enioyed the free liberty thereof hath as I certaīly vnderstād declared to som of his friends that in your conference with him for a resolute answere to al the said scruples expressed in al the foure points ye did much lament that the right meaning of the Othe had not bene in ceason opened and declared vnto him When the only lack of the right vnderstanding therof hath ben the cause of such staies Wheras the Quenes Ma. meaning in that Oth is farre otherwise then the expresse words are as they lye verbatim like as it dothe well appeare by her highnes interpretation made therof in her iniunctions Of the whiche matter we shall be occasioned to entreate more at large herafter But now after two yeres breathing ye frame an other answere quite iarring from the first affirming that the Queene must take vpon her such kind of regiment without any mollifiyng or restraint And this ye will as ye say auouch by Scriptures Fathers Coūcels ād the cōtinual practise of the Church Both your saied answeres being so cōtrary one to the other what certaine and sure knowledge may M. Fekenham by right reason take and gather thereof to his cōtentation and satisfaction of his mind in these matters when by such diuersitie of answeres what other thing els may he iustly thinke then thus with him selfe That if you after so manye and so faire promises failed to open the very trueth vnto him in your firste aunsweare what better assurance should he conceiue of your truth in this your second answere For if by dissimulation the truthe of the matter was couertly hidde frō him in the first answere what better truth may he boldly look for in this your secōd answere thei being not both one but variable and diuerse S. Gregory Nazianzene saith Verū quod est vnū est mendatiū autē est multiplex The thīg saith he which is true is alwaies one ād like vnto it self wheras the lye the cloked and coūterfait thing is in it selfe variable and diuers By the which rule here geuē by so learned graue a Father I am here in the begīning put to knowledge by the varietie of your answeres that thei cānot be both true But if the one be true the other must be false and therof such a distrust iustly gathered that I may conclude none of them both to be true but both of them to be deceiuable and false For the proufe and trial of this my cōclusion I refer me to your scriptures Fathers Councels practise of the Churche that ye woulde seme to rest vpon whereby neuertheles you your self shall take a shameful foile and fall Wherefore goe on a Gods name and bring foorth your euidences The .10 Diuision Pag. ◠a. The holy Scriptures describing the condicions and propreties in a King amongest other doth commaund that he haue by him the booke of the lavv .34 .35 and doe diligentlie occupie him selfe in reading therof to the end he maie therby learne to feare the Lord his God that is to haue the feare of God planted within him selfe in his ovvne harte to keepe al the wordes and to accomplish in deed al the ordinaunces or as the olde translation hath it al the ceremonies by Cod cōmaunded that is to gouerne in such sorte .36 That he cause by his princely authority his subiects also to become Israelites To witte men that see knovv and vnderstand the vvill of God Redressing the peruersues of such as swerue from Gods ordinances or ceremonies Wherupon it is that God doth commaund the Magistrate that he make 37 diligēt examinatiō of the doctrine taught by any and that he do sharply punish both the teachers of false and superstitious religion with the folovvers and also remoue quite out of the waye all maner of euill The .9 Chapter concerning the Kings duetie expressed in the Deuteronomie GOE on I saie in Gods name M. Horne and prosequute your plea stoutlie God send you good speed And so he dothe euen suche as ye and the honestie of your cause deserue And at the very first entrie of your plea causeth you and your clerkly and honest dealing forth with to your high commendation so to appeare that euen the first authoritie that ye handle of all the holy Scripture plainlye discouereth you and causeth you to be espied and openeth as well your fidelity as the weakenes of your whole cause the which euen with your owne first blast is quite ouerblowen Your infidelity appeareth in the curtalling of your text and leauing out the wordes that immediatly goe before those that ye alleage beside your vnskilfulnes if it be not done rather of peruersitie and malice concurrant with your
saying that concupiscence as a sinne remayneth in vs after holy baptisme And because ye shal not say I suppresse conceile or obscure the chief and most notable persons of your auncetry how say you to the Emperours Philippicus Leo Constantinus condēned with their adherētes by the .7 general coūcel at Nice that vilayned by defacing breaking and burnīg the Images of al the holy hallowes of Christ ād Christes to To whome for your more honour and glorye I adioyne the Emperour Iulianus the Apostata Who as ye doe in your books and pulpits cried out vpon the Christiās O ye wretched men that worship the wood of the crosse setting vp the figure of it vppon your forehed and dores you therefore that are of the wiseste sorte are worthy to be hated and the residewe to be pityed that treading after your steppes come to such a kinde of Wretchednes To the Pelagians affirming that children not baptized shal be saued And yet are your maisters in this point worse then the Pelagians as wel for that some of them haue said that some Infants thowgh vnbaptized shal be damned and some other though vnbaptized shal be saued And some of them especially Caluin and other Sacramentaries say that they shal come without Baptisme to the Kingdom of heauen which the Pelagians durste not say but that they should haue the life euerlasting putting a difference but peuishly betwixte those two And if ye thinke the race of your worthye generation is not fetched highe inoughe we will mounte higher and as high as maye be euen to Simon Magus him selfe Of whome Marcion and Manicheus and after long and honorable succession your Patriarches Luter and Caluin haue learned their goodly doctrine against free will Yea to touche the verye foundatiō and wel spring of this your new gospel which altogether is grounded vpō iustificatiō without good works in that also ye drawe very nigh to the said Simon Magus I forbeare at this time to speake of the residewe of your noble progenitours hauing in other places as I noted before spoken largely of the same This shall suffice at thys present to make open to all the world that they are no petit or secrete heresies that ye and your fellowes mainteine Come foorthe once and cleare your selfe of this onelye obiection if yow can being so often pressed therewith If you maintaine olde condēned heresies what are yow lesse then heretiks your selues If yow maintaine them not or if they be not olde heresies which you maintaine clere your self if you be able I assure you M. Horn you and al your felowes wil neuer be able to auoide this one onely obiectiō And therfore you and al your fellowes must nedes remaine stark hereticks and for such to be abhorred and abādonned except you repēt of al good Christiās Now as I haue proued yow and your companions open and notable heretiks so shal I straite way purge M. Fekenham to be no Donatist or any heretik otherwise for any thing yet by you layde to his charge But now Maister Horne beware your self leaste this vniuste accusation against Maister Fekenham and the Catholikes whome ye cōpare to the Donatistes causelesse moste iustly and truely redounde vpon your and your fellowes heades Beware I say For I suppose I will laye more pregnante matter in this behalfe to your and their charge then ye haue or possible can doe to Maister Fekenham or any other Catholike whereof I dare make any indifferent Reader iudge If I should dilate and amplifie this matter at large yt would rise to a prety volume but I will purposely abridge yt and giue the Reader as it were but a taste They were al called first Donatistes but as the first fell from the Churche Catholike so fell they also afterwarde from their owne Churche and maister into an horrible diuision of the Maximianistes Circumcellions Rogatistes Circenses and others A lyuelye paterne of the sectes sprōg from your Apostle Luther as in their pedegree in the Apology of Staphylus euery man may see The Donatistes would somtyme crake and bragge of their multitude and bring it as an argument that the truth was on their side as doth your Apologie Which being restrayned by the Emperours Lawes and dayly diminishing then they cried the truthe resteth with the fewe elected and chosen parsons then cried they O lytle flocke feare not as ye did when ye were as yet but in corners rotten barnes and Luskye lanes The Donatistes when they could not iustifie their own doctrine nor disproue the Catholiks doctrine leauing the doctrine fel to rayling against the vitiouse lyfe of the Catholiks In this point who be Donatists I referre me to Luthers and Caluins books especially to M. Iewel and to your owne Apologie The Donatistes refused the open knowen Catholicke Churche and sayde the Church remayned onely in those that were of their side in certayne corners of Afrike And sing not ye the like songe preferring your Geneua and Wittenberge before the whole Catholike Church beside The Donatistes corrupted the Fathers books wonderfully and were so impudent in alleaging them that in their publike conference at Carthage they pressed much vppon Optatus wordes and layde him forth as an author making for them who yet wrote expressely against them and in all his writings condemned them Is not this I pray yow the vsuall practise of your Apostles Luther and Caluin of M. Iewel and your own to in this booke as I truste we haue and shal make it most euidēt And here let M. Dawes beare you company to in the crafty and false handling of his own deare brothers Sleydans story where he leaueth out Alexander Farnesius oration to the Emperour wherein he sheweth the Protestants dissensions The Donatists to get some credite to their doctrine pretended many false visions and miracles and they thowght that God spake to Donatus from heauen And doth not M. Foxe in his donghil of stinckinge martyrs pretely followe them therein trowe you Hathe not the lyke practise bene attempted of late in Hūgary to authorise the new ghospell by pretēding to restore lyfe to an holy brother feyning him self to be dead and by the great prouidence of God found to be dead in dede Did not your Apostle Luther boast himself of his visions and reuelations Which how coelestiall they were doth sone appere for that hī self writeth that the deuil appered vnto him in the night and disputed with him against priuate masse by whose mightye and weightye reasons Luther being ouerthrowen yelded and incontinently wrote against priuate masse as ye cal it Did not the Donatists preferre and more exsteme one national erroniouse councel in Aphrica then the great and general coūcel at Nice kepe not ye also this trade preferring your forged Conuocation libell before the Generall Councel of Trident The Donatists said that al the world was in an apostasie at the cōming of their apostle Donatus And
his own supreme Authority depose and set vp bisshops and Priests make Iniunctions of doctrine prescribe order of Gods seruice enact matters of religion approue and disproue Articles of the faith take order for administration of Sacraments commaunde or put to silence preachers determine doctrine excommunicat and absolue with such like which all are causes ecclesiastical and al apperteyning not to the inferiour ministerye which you graunt to Priestes and bisshops onely but to the supreme iurisdiction and gouernment which you doe annexe to the Prince onely This I say is the state of the Question now present For the present Question betwene you and M. Fekenham is grounded vppon the Othe comprised in the Statute which Statute emplieth and concludeth al these particulars For concealing whereof you haue M. Horne in the framing of your ground according to the Statute omitted cleane the ij clauses of the Statute folowing The one at the beginning where the Statute saith That no forayn person shall haue any maner of Authority in any spirituall cause within the Realme By which wordes is flatly excluded all the Authority of the whole body of the Catholike Church without the Realme As in a place more conuenient toward the end of the last book it shal by Gods grace be euidently proued The other clause you omitte at the ende of the said Satute which is this That all maner Superiorities that haue or maye lawfully be exercised for the visitatiō of persons Ecclesiasticall and correcting al maner of errours heresies and offences shall be for euer vnited to the Crowne of the Realme of Englande Wherein is employed that yf which God forbidde a Turke or any heretike whatsoeuer shoulde come to the Crowne of Englande by vertu of this Statute and of the Othe al maner superioritye in visiting and correcting Ecclesiastical persones in al maner matters should be vnited to him Yea and euery subiecte should sweare that in his conscience he beleueth so This kinde of regiment therefore so large and ample I am right wel assured ye haue not proued nor euer shal be able to proue in the auncient Church while ye liue When I say this kinde of regiment I walke not in confuse and general words as ye doe but I restrayne my self to the foresaid particulars now rehersed and to that platte forme that I haue already drawen to your hand and vnto the which Maister Fekenham must pray you to referre and apply your euidences Otherwise as he hath so may he or any man els the chiefe pointes of all being as yet on your side vnproued still refuse the Othe For the which doinges neither you nor any man else can iustly be greued with him As neither with vs M. Horne ought you or any mā els be greued for declaring the Truth in this point as yf we were discōtēted subiects or repyning against the obediēce we owe to our Gracious Prince and our Countre For beside that we ought absolutely more obey God then man and preferre the Truth which our Sauiour himself protested to be encouraging al the faithful to professe the Truth and geuing them to wit that in defending that they defended Christ himself before al other worldly respects whatsoeuer beside al this I say whosoeuer wil but indifferently consider the matter shal see that M. Horne himselfe in specifying here at large the Quenes Mai. gouernement by the Statute intended doth no lesse in effect abridge the same by dissembling silence then the Catholikes doe by open and plain contradiction For whereas the Statute and the Othe to the which all must swere expresseth A supreme gouernment in al thinges and causes without exception Maister Horne taking vpon him to specifie the particulars of this general decree and amplyfying that litle which he geueth to the Quenes Maiesty with copy of wordes ful statutelyke he leaueth yet out and by that leauing out taketh from the meaning of the Statute the principal cause ecclesiasticall and most necessary mete and conuenient for a Supreme Gouernour Ecclesiasticall What is that you aske Forsoth Iudgement determining and approuing of doctrine which is true and good and which is otherwise For what is more necessary in the Churche then that the Supreme gouernour thereof should haue power in al doubtes and controuersies to decide the Truthe and to make ende of questioning This in the Statute by Maister Hornes silence is not comprised And yet who doubteth that of al thinges and causes Ecclesiastical this is absolutelye the chiefest Yea and who seeth not that by the vertue of this Statute the Quenes Maiesty hath iudged determined and enacted a new Religiō contrary to the iudgement of all the Bisshops and clergy in the Conuocation represented of her highnes dominions Yea and that by vertue of the same Authority in the last paliament the booke of Articles presented and put vp there by the consent of the whole conuocation of the newe pretended clergy of the Realme and one or ij only excepted of al the pretended Bisshops also was yet reiected and not suffred to passe Agayne preachinge the woorde administration of the Sacramentes binding and loosing are they not thinges and causes mere Spirituall and Ecclesiasticall And howe then are they here by you omitted Maister Horne Or howe make you the Supreme gouernment in al causes to rest in the Quenes Maiesty yf these causes haue no place there Which is nowe better I appeale to al good consciences plainly to maintayne the Truthe then dissemblinglye to vpholde a falshood Plainly to refuse the Othe so generallye conceyued then generally to sweare to it beinge not generallye meaned But now let vs see how M. Horne wil direct his proufes to the scope appointed THE SECOND BOOKE DISPROVING THE PRETENSED PRActise of Ecclesiastical gouernement in Emperours and Princes of the first .600 yeares after Christ. M. Horne The .28 Diuision pag. 19. b. Constantinus of vvhose careful gouernmēt in Church causes I haue spoken somevvhat before tooke vpon him and did exercise the 70. supreme rule and gouernement in repressing al maner Idolatrie and false Relligion in refourming and promoting the true religion and in restreining and correcting al maner errours schismes heresies and other enormities in or about religion and vvas moued herevnto of duety euen by Gods vvorde as he him self reporteth in a vehemēt prayer that he maketh vnto God saiyng I haue takē vpō me and haue brought to passe helthful things meaning reformation of Religion being perswaded therevnto by thy word And publishing to all Churches after the Councel at Nice vvhat vvas there done he professeth that in his iudgement the chiefest end and purpose of his Imperial gouernement ought to be the preseruation of true religiō and godly quietnes in al Churches I haue iudged saith this godlye Emperoure this ought before all other thinges to be the ende or purpose wherevnto I should addresse my power and authority in gouernement that the vnitie of faith pure loue and agreemēt of religiō towardes the
a premunire I make most sure accoÌ„pt ye shal neuer be able to shew this See then that euen in your election which is beside and out of our chiefe matter ye are quyte out from the like regiment ye pretende to proue M. Horne The .31 Diuision Pag. 21. b. This supreme .74 authority of the Emperour in Church causes is moste liuely expressed by S. Augustine and Eusebius vvhere they make mention of the horrible Scisme stirred by the Donatists against Cecilianus Bisshoppe of Carthage vvhose election and ordering to be Bisshop of Carthage Donatus and others of his companions misliked and therfore made a Schisme in that Church The question in controuersie vvas vvhether Cecilianus being ordered Bisshop hauing the imposition of hands by Felix vvere lavvfully consecrated and ordered or not this controuersie made a lamentable trouble amongest the Churches in Aphrike At the length the Donatists accused Cecilian vnto the Emperour desired the Emperour to appointe some Delegates to iudge of this coÌ„trouersy And for that al the Churchs in Aphrike vvere baÌ„ded either to the one partly or the other and for that France vvas free froÌ„ this coÌ„tention they require iudges to be appointed by his authority from amongest the Frenche Bisshoppes The Emperour much grieued that the Churche vvas thus torne in sundre vvith this schism doth appoint Melciades Bisshop of Rome and Marcus to be his .75 delegates and commissaries in this controuersy vvith certaine other Bisshoppes of Fraunce Melciades colleages or felovv Bisshops vvhom the Emperour had coÌ„maunded to be there vvith theÌ„ for that purpose These commissioners vvith certaine other Bisshoppes according to the Emperours commaundement mette at Rome and after due examination had doe condemne the Donatists and pronounce Cecilianus cause to be good From this sentence of the bisshop of Rome and other bisshoppes his colleages being the Emperours delegates the Donatists appeale vnto the Emperour not onely accusing Cecilianus but also Melciades the bisshop of Rome and other CoÌ„missaries Wherefore the Emperour causeth a Synode to be had at Arelatum committing the cause to the bisshop thereof and other bisshoppes assembled there by his commaundement to be herde and discussed VVhereuÌ„to he calleth Crestus the bisshop of Syracuse a City in Sicilie by his letters VVherein he declareth in .76 plain termes that it belongeth to his imperial cure to see these controuersies in Church causes to be determined and ended Donatus and his companions being condemned also by these bishops in the Synode at Arelatum and Cecilianus cleered doe again appeale vnto the Emperour from their sentence beseching him to take the hearing and discussing of the coÌ„trouersie VVho calleth both the parties together before himself at Millayn and after he had herde the vvhole matter and vvhat vvas to be said on both sides he gaue final senteÌ„ce vvith Cecilianus condemning the Donatists VVho after al these things thus done as S. Augustin saith made a very sharpe Lavv against the Donatistes the vvhich also his Sonnes after him commaunded to be obserued The .2 Chapter of Constantines dealing in the appeales and suytes of the Donatistes Stapleton OF al that M. Horn bringeth of Constantines doings or of any others this place semeth most coÌ„formable not to that wherein we ioyn issue with him which are a nomber of pointes as I haue declared in the proufe whereof in case M. Horn be defectyue in any one M. Fekenham is at liberty from receiuinge the pretensed othe but to that one point onely that not the Bisshop or Pope himself but the ciuil magistrate is supreme iudge in causes ecclesiastical And yet yf M. Horn could effectually proue this he should quyte him self lyke a clerke In dede your maister M Caluin M. Iewel and others runneth to this example as to a strong hold which I trow neuerthelesse wil proue anon as stronge as a rotten rede As also to any indifferent Reader it may sufficiently appeare that hath or wil reade our Return vpon M. Iewels lying Reply where this whole matter is answered at ful Yet let vs ones againe lay forth the matter Constantine say you in a matter ecclesiastical deuolued to him by an appele appointed as his Delegate the Pope him selfe yea after the Popes sentence he appointed vppon a new appeale certain other Bisshhops The appellants being also agreued with this sentence craued ayde at Constantitins own hands who gaue the final sentence against them Suerly these were froward quarreling men what so euer they were But what maner of men were they M. Horne Forsothe as ye truely say the Donatists the most peruerse and obstinate heretiks that euer the Churche suffred Is this then thinke you a sure grounde to build your supremacy vpon Suerly as sure and as sownd as was your Emperour Emanuel as ye call him Beside this where is the longe tediouse song ye songe of late against M. FekeÌ„ham to proue him a Donastiste Ye see here the Donatists them selues against the authority of temporal princes in Churche matters which before ye denied and so may M. FekenhaÌ„ clere himself that he is no Donatiste Ye had done wel yf ye had eased your reader and your self most of all with an haÌ„dsome worde or two interlaced for the auoiding of this contradiction Wel belyke it was by some voluntarie obliuioÌ„ forslone I wil therfore take the paynes to supplie this defect of yours I say therfore that both is true For when it serued their purpose and as loÌ„g as they had any hope of any relefe for their wicked heresies they ranne to the Emperors yea to Iulian the Apostata setting him forth with no smal coÌ„mendations for ayde and helpe And so did they now But afterward when both this Constantin and other Emperors made sharp lawes against theÌ„ theÌ„ the world was chaunged then sang they a new songe that it was not sitte or seamely for the princes to busie theÌ„selues in Church matters Yea so impudent and inconstant they were that thowgâ—e themselues first browght the matter against Cecilian to the Emperours audience yet did they blame innocent Cecilian for their own fact as a breaker of the Ecclesiasticall order And are not your maisters and coÌ„panions I beseache you the true schollers of the Donatists in this behalfe as I haue before shewed And who are they tell me by your truth that after sentence geuen against them by the Pope by prouincial and general councels yea by the Emperours them selues doe persiste and endure in their wicked heresies and that more wilfully then euer did the obstinat Donatists Are they not of your own whole and holy generation Wel seing we haue now deliuered you from contradiction we may procede to the matter it selfe Ye say Constantine gaue sentence euen after the Pope Yea but we say again supposing this example true that one swallowe briÌ„geth not the spring tyme with him The president of one Emperor for ye proue not the like in al your book of any other
may be obserued and by lawes and penaltyes they ought to force their subiects to the obseruation thereof But to confirme by waye of Ecclesiastical Authority and Supremacy it hath euer belonged only to the bisshops of Rome as by the continual practise of the Church it hath and shal yet better appeare In this sence and as I haue already saied Emperours haue confirmed and by their edictes established the Councels lawes and decrees of the Churche And thus you see M. Horne particularly and plainly what we attribute to Emperours and Ciuil Princes in the calling ordering and confirming of Councels and what we deny most iustly vnto them If you proue that which we graunte you shewe your selfe a slender scholer and a weake aduersary that will take vpon you to confute that practise the limites and conditions where of you knowe not which is altogether to fight in darkenesse or with your owne shadowe If you can proue that which we deny lette the truthe goe on your side But you neither haue in this booke neither shall euer be able to proue it To auoyde therefore hereafter the superfluyte of vnfruteful talke as well for myne as for the Readers ease in al your like obiections of Emperours calling and confirming of Councels I wil referre you to the answeres and distinctions presently made To returne nowe to Theodosius and to you M. Horne we haue one vntruthe more to charge you withal for that you would establishe this peerlesse and Supreme Authority in Theodosius because he hauing receiued in writinge the faith as wel of the Catholikes as of the Eunomians Arians and other heretiks after the reading of them rented all the shedules sauing that which was deliuered by the Catholiks whereupon the heretikes departed ashamed and dashte out of countenauce Whome he had as ye also write before examined of their faith and that after such sorte that they were not only astonyed but began to fall out amōges themselues some lyking some mislykīg the Emperours purpose But alas good M. Horne whie are ye your self nowe as ye seame to me so sodenly dasshed out of countenance Yea and whiche is maruayle in so harde a metall me thinketh somwhat asshamed to and wonderfullye astonied withall Why man Pluck vp your harte and be of good cowrage You wil perchaunce say I borde with yowe and am sette vpon my mery pynnes I woulde to God the matter were suche as yt myght be better lawghed at then pitied And that it might serue more for Democrytus thē Heraclytus and yet to say the truth there is cause and to muche for them bothe Perchaunce nowe some mā wil think I doe but ieste when I speake of shame I would God yt were or myght ons be truelye sayde of youe yt were a goodly sparcle of grace growing Wel I put of that to other mēs iudgement But that ye are dashed out of countenance yea that ye are wonderfully astonied and that euen for the same cause and after the same maner as the Arians and other heretikes thē were I dare say it and proue yt to For if the Arians were asshamed and dasshed out of countenaunce vpō these doinges of Theodosius onely how much more are yowe asshamed and dasshed out of countenaunce whose heresies are cōdemned by so many Kings and Catholyke Emperours Or yf ye say ye are not asshamed then must I replie ô shamelesse fellowe and more impudente then the Arians I nowe adde that ye are more astonied then the Arrians and other heretikes with this facte of Theodosius and therfore full slylie and wylilye what was the doinges of the Emperour ye haue ouerhipped whyche yf ye had put in would haue serued aswel againste yowe as yt did againste them And therfore the memorie of yt so astonied yowe that ye durst not for shame name the matter and yet for folly coulde ye not forbeare to patche yt in as a speciall matter aduauncyng your supreamacy For first as Theodosius did not allowe the open disputations of the Arians Macedonians Eunomians whiche were verie redie to the same so yf he had bene lyuing of late he woulde not ād euē for the same cause he disalowed the other allowed your late westmynster disputations beinge more mete to leade the common people out of the truthe then to confirme them in truthe whereof we haue alredie somwhat towched But nowe I praye yowe M. Horn tel vs what was the Emperours purpose that some heretyks lyked some mislyked wherin as yt were the dogge drinking in Nilus as the olde peruerbe is for feare of stinging ye dare not tary Wel because ye are astonied at the memory of yt I wil tel it for you The Emperor demaūded of the heads of the secte whether they did allowe and receyue the fathers of the Churche that wrote before the diuision beganne Yea marye say they what else we reuerence and honour them as our maysters for feare saieth the story least yf they had sayde otherwyse the people would wonderfully haue misliked they re doings wel sayd sayeth the Emperour Are ye then cōtente for this matters cōtrouersed to stād to their sayings and testimonie Here they beganne the one to stare vpon the other and wiste nere what in the world to answere and fynally fell owt as your self write amongs thē selues Now let the Emperor cal the Anabaptists the Zwinglians the Lutherans and demaūde of them the same question woulde not the matter so fall out thinke you Yea hath yt not alreadye so fallen out and daylye so falleth out more and more against you and your Brethern to your great shame And thincke you that yf Theodosius were lyuing now he would not deale with your Billes as he dealed with theirs Woulde he not teare a sonder the shedules of al your false faithlesse faith Yes that he would assuredly The greauouse remembrance of this did so astone you that it caused you thus to leaue the matter it self that was by some liked and by some misliked and to tel a liking or mislikinge of I can not tel what Now how so euer ye haue maymed the narration of the storye and making the beste ye can of the matter for your purpose primacy can ye make none of it For the doinge of Theodosius reacheth not to the determination of anye thing in question alredy not determined but to the execution of the Nicene Councel commaunding by expresse decree that al should obeye the faith of Damasus Pope of Rome and of Peter Patriarche of Alexandria both defenders of the Nicene Councel Let me now a while after al this your miserable wresting and writhing ād liberal lying to deale shortly ād simply with you and see whether I can pycke out any thinge of Theodosius and these coūcels doings for the Popes primacy Why then Ys it not Theodosius that referreth the decisiō of Ecclesiastical causes to the Bisshops Was it not he of whō S. Ambrose saied Ecce quod Christianus cōstituit Imperator Noluit iniuriā facere sacerdotibus
against the foorme of the Popes letters all the Bisshoppes of Aegypt of Asia of Illiricum Ponthus and Thracia very hotlye resisted affirming that the definition was otherwise perfect enoughe Which the Romaines and certaine of the Easte Bisshppes as earnestly denied Herevpon the iudges to make the matter come to an agrement made first a Committy in this sorte that of all the foresaide prouinces three should be chosen and they togeather with the Romaynes and six of the Easte Bisshoppes shoulde conferre a parte But this order beinge misliked and the greater nomber of Bisshoppes stil crying to haue it passe as it was first conceiued not passing vpon the forme conceiued in the Popes letters the iudges asked those that so cried whether they allowed the letters of Pope Leo or no When they answered Yea and that they had alreadye subscribed thereunto the Iudges inferred Lette then that be added to the definition which is in those leters coÌ„prised The Bisshops of Aegipt and other crying alwaies to the contrarye the debate was signified to the Emperour The Emperour sent back againe that they shoulde take the order of Committye appointed or yf that liked them not then they should make an other CoÌ„mittye by their Metropolitanes and euerye man declare his mynde that so the matter might come to an ende But saith the Emperour yf your Holynes will none of this neither then knowe you certainelye that you shall come to a Councell in the west partes seing you will not here agree And this also was that the Popes Legates before required And the Bisshoppes of Illyricum as excusing them selues cried Qui contradicunt Romam ambulent These which doe not agree let them walke to Rome Had Maister Horne and his fellowes bene in that case they woulde haue cryed what haue we to doe with Rome or with that forayne Prelate the Pope But the Bisshoppes and Fathers of those dayes knewe a better obedience to the See Apostolike And therefore in the ende the Popes Legates with a fewe other of the Easte preuailed against al the reste of Aegypt and Asia of IllyricuÌ„ Pontus and Thracia and endited the forme of their definitioÌ„ of the faith according to the tenour of Pope Leo his letters inserting his very words to their definitioÌ„ Otherwise as the Emperour and the Popes Legates before threatned they should al haue trotted to Rome and there haue finished the Councel Such was the Authority and preeminence of that Apostolike See of Rome and so wel declared in this fifte Action out of which M. Horne concealing the whole yssue order and cause of the debate thought only by a simple commyttye to proue his Supreme Gouernement in the prince Thow seest nowe gentle Reader that by the prince his owne confession by the Legates protestation and by the ende and yssue of the whole Action the Superiority rested in the Church of Rome and in a Councel to be had there in case they would not presently agree So harde it is for Maister Horne to bring any one Authority that maketh not directly against him and manifestly for vs. M. Horne The .53 Diuision Pag. 33. a. The Emperour cometh into the Synode place in his ovvne persone vvith Pulcheria his nobles and Senatours â–ª and maketh vnto the Synode an oration of this effect He careth for nothing so much as to haue all men rightly persuaded in the true Christian faith He declareth the occasions vvhy he sommoned the Synode He coÌ„maundeth that no man be so hardy hereafter to hold opinion or dispute of the Christian faith othervvyse than vvas decreed in the first NiceÌ„ couÌ„cel he chargeth theÌ„ therefore that all partaking coÌ„tenâ—ioÌ„ and couetousnes laide apart the onely truth may appeare to al men He declareth his coÌ„ming into the Synod to be for none other cause theÌ„ .151 to confirme the faith and to remoue from the people in tyme to come all dissention in Religion And last of al he protesteth his vvhole care and study that al people may be brought into an vnity and vnifourme agreement in pure religion by true and holy doctrine The chief Notarie humbly asketh of the Emperour if it vvil please him to heare their definition redde The Emperour vvilleth that it should be recited openly he enquireth of them al if euery man consented thereunto they ansvvere that it is agreed vppon by al their consentes VVhereunto they adde many acclamations commendâ—ng the vvorthines of his Emperial gouernmeÌ„t coÌ„cluding By the O worthy Emperor the right faith is confirmed heresies banished peace restored and the Churche refourmed After these acclamations the Emperour doth openly declare vnto the Synode a statute vvhich he maketh to cut of and put avvay from thencefoorth al maner occasion of contention about the true faith and holy Religion The vvhole Synode desireth the Emperour to dissolue the councel and to .152 geue theÌ„ leaue to departe vvhereunto the Emperour vvould not consent but .153 commaundeth that none of them depart Stapleton Here is nothing whervpon ye shoulde frame any conclusion of Supremacy Concerning Marcians oration we haue spoken somwhat before and nowe ye geue vs more occasion especially to note your true and accustomable faith in the true rehersal of your Authour For yf ye hadde not here maimed and mangled your owne allegation ye had made your self a ful answere for al this your bible bable to proue the Emperours supremacy for that they called or were present in the Councels We saieth this noble Emperour are come into this present Councel not to take vpon vs or to practise any power therein but to strenghten and confirm the faith therin following the example of the religious prince Constantine By which woordes he declareth that the Emperours authority and powre taketh no place in the Councel to determyn or define any thing which neither is founde of the doings of Constantine or this Marcian or of any other good Prince but only by ciuil penalties to confirme and strenghthen the decrees as did CoÌ„stantine and as this Emperour did also as appereth by his woordes spoken to the Synode in this sixt action by yow recited These woordes of Marcian ye haue cut from the residue of the sentence least otherwise it should haue by Marcian him selfe appeared that ye were but a glosar a Popes glosar I say as your brother Mollineus is when ye wrote of the fiue Bishops that otherwise must haue bene deposed CoÌ„cerning the staiyng of the Fathers that would haue departed whiche ye inforce as a thing material if ye had not followed your accustomable guise of dismembring your Author ye should haue found a small matter Ye haue saith Marcian to the Fathers ben much weried by your iourney and haue taken great paines Yet beare you and staye you for iij. or .iiij. daies loÌ„ger And our honorable Iudges being present moue you what matter your hart desireth and ye shal not faile of coÌ„uenient comfort But let no man depart til all
lawful to do Here shal ye find and heare Rome called the Head of all Churches Here shal ye find that Pope Leo gaue coÌ„maundement to his Legates that they shuld not suffer Dioscorê° to sit among th' other Bishops but to stand as a person accused and defendant and so the Legates tolde the Senatours and that in case they wold suffer the mater to go other wise that they should be excoÌ„municated and thervpon he was coÌ„maunded to sit in the middle a part from the rest Here shall ye finde that the learned Bishop of Cyrus Theodoretus deposed by Dioscorus and Maximus his own Patriarche was receiued and placed among the bishops because Leo had restored him Here shal ye find that nor laie men nor Priests haue voice in the Councel but Bishops only Here it appeareth why the Ciuil Magistrate is present in the Councell not to geaue sentence or to beare the greatest sway there in matters Ecclesiastical as M. Horne imagineth but as it appeareth by Theodosius the Emperours coÌ„mission geuen to the Earle Elpidius to see there be no tumulte and in case he see any troblesome or tumultuous person to the hurt and hinderance of the Catholik faith to imprison him and to certifie th'Emperour of him to see the maters procede orderly to be present at the iudgemeÌ„t geuing and to procure that the Councell spedily and circumspectly proue their matters In this SessioÌ„ ye shall find that not only Flauianus that godly Bishop and Patriarche of Constantinople wrongfully deposed by Dioscorê° appealed to Rome but that Eutyches also that Archeheretique iustlye condemned by Flauianus for his reliefe pretended an appellation made to Leo by him selfe In the second Session Leo his Epistle was read the Councell crieth out Petrus per Leonem loquutus est Peter hath spoken out of Leos mouthe But of all the thirde Session is so freighted with ample and plaine testimonies for the Ecclesiastical Primacy that I must rather seke to restrain and moderat them then to amplifie or enlarge them In this thirde Session Pope Leo is called the vniuersall Archebishop the vniuersall Patriarche the Bisshopee of the vniuersall Churche the Pope of the vniuersal Church the Catholike or vniuersal Pope And now must M. Iewel if he be a true man of his worde yelde and subscribe being answered euen by the verye precise woordes and termes of his owne thoughe peuishlye and folishly proposed question In this sessioÌ„ the Popes Legates pronouÌ„ce sentence against Dioscorus the Patriarche of Alexandria and doe by the Authority of Leo and S. Peter who is called there the Rocke and the top clyffe of the Catholike Churche depryue him of all priestlye ministery and bisshoply dignity for that he communicated with Eutyches being by a Councel condemned for that he presumed to excommunicate Pope Leo and being thrise perâ—mptorely summoned to the Councell woulde not come And how are ye now M. Horne and your felowes to be countted Bisshoppes that refuse the authoritye of the generall Councel of Trente and durst no more shewe your face there then durste Dioscorus at Chalcedo And can no better defende the deposition of the Catholik Bisshops in Englande then could Dioscorus the deposition of Flauianus at Ephesus And to say the truth ye can much lesse defende your self And where is nowe your acte of parliament that annichilatteh and maketh voyde al Ecclesiastical Authority sauing of such persons as are inhabitants within the realme Dioscorus was a foole that could finde no such defence for him selfe or else he neded not to haue passed a button for the Councel of Chalcedo Vnlesse happely we think we haue a special priuilege and as we be enuironed and as it were walled vp froÌ„ the world by the great OceaÌ„ sea as the poete writeth of vs Et penitus toto diuisos orbe BritaÌ„nos so we may take our selues to be exeÌ„pted and closed vp from the faith and religion of all Catholike people in the world But let vs goe foorth with owre matter Ye shal then find in this third session that the Popes Legate was presidente of the Councell for Leo and subscribed before all other In this session the whole CouÌ„cel calleth Leo the interpretour of S. Peters voyce to al people In this session the whole CouÌ„cel sayeth that Leo theÌ„ far of at Rome was presideÌ„t aÌ„d ruler of the CouÌ„cel as the Head is ruler of the body And that theÌ„perors were presideÌ„ts there most deceÌ„tly to adorne aÌ„d set forth the same endâ—uoring to renew the building of the Church of HierusaleÌ„ coÌ„cerning matters of faith as did Zorobabel and Iesus in the old lawe And this place only were sufficient to answere your whole booke and to shew either your ignorance or frowarde quarrelling in making such a sturre and busines for Princes authority in CouÌ„cels In this sessioÌ„ the whole synode saieth that the keping of the vineyard that is of the whole Church was committed of God to Lâ—o. In this session the whole Councel thowghe Leo his Legates were present and confirmed al thinges that there passed towching matters of faith doth yet neuerthelesse pray Leo him self also to confirme their decreâ—s And here might the Author of your Apologie Maister Horne if yt pleased him as merely haue iested and scoffed againste these .630 Fathers as he doth against the Fathers of the late CouÌ„cel at Trente for the clause salua Apostolicae sedis authoritate Here might be demaunded of these .630 Fathers what thei neaded in this case the matter being resolued vpon by the whole Councel yea by his own deputies to to sende to Rome to Pope Leo to haue their decrees yet further coÌ„firmed Here also might be demaunded of those 630. Fathers whether yt were not a mere foly to think the holy ghost posted to Rome that yf he staggered or stayed in any matter he might there take Councell of an other holy ghost better learned with such other childish or rather Iewish toyes Neither the CouÌ„cel only but Marcian alâ—o the Emperour prayed Leo to coÌ„firme that which there was concluded of the faith In this sessioÌ„ the Senators that ye would neades haue to be the cheif Iudges desire they may be taught of the fathers of this Councel such thinges as appertayne to the faith as of them that should geue a reckoninge aswel for their sowles as for their own sowles Nowe where as ye catche as yt were a certaine ankerhold of the supplication of Eusebius of Dorileum consider I beseache yow his supplication to the Councel too and weighe them bothe with the ballance of indifferente iudgemente I pray and most humbly beseche your holines holy father saith he to haue mercy on vs. And while the things passed betwixt Dioscorus and me be yt in fresh remeÌ„braunce decree you all those doings to be voyde and that those things which wrongfully passed against vs may not be preiudicial or hurtful to vs and that
we may be restored to our bisshoply dignity againe which yf we obtayne we shall for euer geue thanks to your holines In this session ye shal finde that it was no finall or resolutory sentence that the Senatours gaue against Dioscorus but a declaration of theire mynde and resolutiō the ful authority notwithstanding remayning in the Bishops to whom and not to the Senatorus God had geuen authority to geue such kind of sentēces Further now though I haue alredy sufficiētly shewed the insufficiēcy and feblenes of that your weake collection yet because ye haue so honorably adorned your margēt with no lesse thē 630. Fathers cōfessing your supremacye and al for that they cal thēperor the best and cheif phisition I wil be so bolde thowgh but a poore and a secōdary phisitiō to say somwhat more to your great and far fetched neither good theological nor good phisical argumente and to returne your wise phisical reason vpon your own head by the very same fathers and the very same place that your selfe alleage For euen in the same page it followeth that perchaunce Dioscorus might baue obtayned pardon of those his so great and excessiue enormities yf being as the case required throughlye poenitent he had sowght for a medicine at the handes of the Councel But because he endured in obstinacy he was cut away by deposition and excommunication from the Church as a rotten and pestiferouse member to saue and preserue the residewe of the bodie Beholde maister Horne the fathers are nowe the phisitions that might haue cured Dioscorus yf he had bene curable of his disease and notwithstanding he was the captayne of that myscheuouse cōuenticle at Ephesus he might yf he had sowght for it accordingly haue founde perchaunce fauour not at the Emperours but at the councels hands and neither bene deposed nor excommunicated Yea the Emperour Marciā him self cōfesseth that these fathers founde out a remedy for those nawghtie errours And howe I pray you Because they made a playne and an open determination what was to be obserued concerning fayth and religion Thus at the length your gay and fresh your mighty and notable note of .630 Fathers confessing your physical supremacy is not worth one pipte nutte In this session ye shal fynde that this most famous Councell did diligently enquire vpon matters of faith By whose authority M. Horne think you By the Emperours Naye But by the authoritye of the most blessed Leo as the Emperours Valentinian and Marciā themselues confesse I truste now also ye wil the better belieue these .630 Fathers saying to Dioscorus that they had the regular and ordinary authority against him What say yow nowe for your selfe and your fellowes Howe will ye maintaine the vnlawfull deposinge of the Catholike Bisshoppes and other in the realme by by your ciuill and parliament authoritie seing that the Emperours Valentiniā and Marcian write that those Bisshops can not by themperours lawe be condēned whom the ecclesiastical Coūcel cōmendeth for true religiō Many things else are to be saied out of this Session but I wil breake of and shortly ronne ouer the residewe noting this only for the .4 Session that it is there declared that Dioscorus was depriued and excōmunicated to by the Popes Legates and the Councel the Emperours deputies which in all other Sessions were present being then absent and without themperours or their knowledge Which geueth a checke mate to all your supremacy and to all your booke withall yea and that with a seely pawne of one only line This is so declared as I say in the fourth session but the sentēce passed against Dioscorus in the third sessiō Dioscorus not daring to shewe his face and requiring that themperours vicegerents might be there presente to whome answere was made that when matters of correctiō and reformation are in hande as these were for Dioscorus was not condemned for heresie and matters of fayth but for his disobedience against the pope the councel and the canons neither the Iudges nor any laye men owght to be presente Which answere M. Horne for all your heuing and sheuing against the ecclesiasticall reformation geueth an other paune mate also in one shorte sentence to a great parte of your boke and to al such ecclesiastical visitation as is geuen to the prynce by acte of parliament In the fyfte sessiō a litle variance fell among the Fathers for the framing of the final sentēce whervpon the Senatours said that if they did not agree a Councel should be kept in the west parties meaning at Rome The Bishops of Illyricum cried as I haue before shewed they that doe not agree lette them trudge to Rome In this session when they were all afterwards agreed the final and resolute sentence of the matter in controuersy with a denunciation of deposition and curse against suche as should repine agaīst it is pronoūced by the Bishops without any voice or cōsent of themperour or of his agēts In the sixt session was present Marcian themperour with the noble and vertuouse Empresse Pulcheria to whome Aetius the Archedeacō of Constantinople declared that nowe the discord lately rysen among the people in matters of faith was pacified by the holy Councell and then read to him their finall determination and sentence Vnto the which sentence were annexed the subscripions of all the Bishops And first of the Popes vicegerent after the fourme of these woordes I Bisshop Paschasine President of the Councell in the stead of my most blessed Lord and the Apostolical Pope of the vniuersal Church of the City of Rome Leo haue determined consented and subscribed Then followe the subscriptions of his two colleages one of them being no bishop after whō Anatolius the Patriarch of Constātinople and so other Patriarches and bisshops Marciā seing the full and vniforme cōsent of al these .630 bishops doth allowe and cōfirme their decree and strēgtheneth it with a ciuill and politicall punishmēt appointed against the trāsgressours And in this properly resteth the Princes office and authority in affaires ecclesiastical In the seuēth session it is declared that the election of Maximus bishop of Antioche was confirmed by Pope Leo. In the tenth Actiō it ys openly auouched quia missi Apostolici semper in Synodis prius loqui cōfirmare soliti sunt That the Popes legates were allwayes wonte in Councels to speake first and to confirme first In the twelueth Actiō the controuersy about the Bishop of Ephesus was ended by the Councel not by thēperours deputies as it hath ben shewed In the .16 and last Session yt is sayde that Rome euer had the primacye The whole councell sayeth to thēperour that God had prouided for thē an inuincible champion against all errours meaning of Pope Leo. In thys session a greate parte of the fathers thowghe contrarye to the Nicene decrees auaunced the patriarche of Constantinople to gratifie themperour making his chiefe abode there aboue the patriarchs of Alexandria Antiochia and Hierusalē But
Donus first practised vvith Reparatus the Archebisshop of Rauenna to geue ouer vnto him the superiority and become his obedientiary and that as it may appeare by the sequele vvithout the consent of his Church After the death of Reparatus vvhich vvas vvithin a vvhyle Theodorus a familiar friend to Agatho the Pope and a stoute man vvhom .246 Agatho did honour vvith his Legacy vnto the syxth general Councel at Cōstātinople because his Clergy vvoulde not vvayt on him on Christmas daye solempnely .247 conducting him vnto the Churche as the maner had been did geue ouer the title ād made his sea subiect to the Pope for enuy ād despite of his Clergy saith Sabellicus vvherevvith the Rauennates vvere not content but being ouercome by the authority of the Emperour Constantin vvho much fauored Agatho they bare it as patiently as they might And Leo the seconde successour to Agatho made an ende hereof .248 causing the Emperour Iustinian to shevve great .249 cruelty vnto the vvhole Cyty of Rauenna and to Felix their Bisshop because they vvould haue .250 recouered their olde liberty And so this Pope Leo by the commandement and povver of the Emperour Iustinian brought Rauenna vnder his obeisance as the Pontifical reporteth These Popes through their feyned humility and obedience vnto the Emperours vvhich vvas but duty vvan both much fauour and ayde at the Emperors hādes to atchieue their purpose much desired The .3 Chapter of Vitalianus Donus and Leo the .2 Bishops of Rome and howe the Church of Rauenna was reconciled to the See Apostolike Stapleton WHy Maister Horne Put case the Pope signifieth his election to the Emperour Putte case the Popes were sometyme stowte and braue And sometyme againe couered they re ambitiouse meaninge with a patched cloke of humilitye and lowelines what yf the Churche of Rauenna after long rebellion became an obediētiarie to the apostolike see of Rome This is the effect and contents almost of one whole leafe What then I say Knitte vp I pray you your conclusiō Ergo a Prince of a Realme is supreame head in al causes ecclesiasticall and tēporal Wel and clerckly knitte vp by my sheathe But Lorde what a sorte of falshods and follies are knitte vp together in this your wise collection As concerning the stowtnes and cloked humility of the Popes your authours the Pontifical and Sabellicus write no such thinge but commend Vitalian Donus Agatho Leo for very good Popes yea and for this their doing concerning the Church of Rauenna Other writers commende these Popes also for good and vertuouse men But I perceiue they are no meane or common persons that must serue for witnesses in your honorable consistorie your exceptions are so precise and peremptorye Yet I beseache you sir in case ye will reiecte all other lette the Emperour Constantin himself serue the turne for this Vitalian Who at what tyme the bisshops of the easte being Monothelites woulde not suffer Vitalians name to be rehersed according to the custome in the Churche at Constantinople did withstande them And why thinke you M. Horne for any fayned holynes No no but propter collatam nobis charitatem ab eodem Vitaliano dum superesset in motione tyrannorum nostrorum For his charity employed vppon vs saieth the Emperour whil he liued in the remouing and thrusting out of those that played the tyrants against vs. Why doe ye not bring forth your authours to proue them dissemblers and Hypocrites but you shal proue this when you proue your other saying that there had ben an old ād a cōtinual dissensiō betwen these .ij. Churches ād that the Rauēnates were not subiect to the see of Rome This is wel to be proued that they ought to haue bene subiect to the see of Rome not onely by a common and an vniuersal subiection as to the see of all Churches But as to they re patriarchall see withall It is also aswell to be proued that in S. Gregories tyme who died but .72 yeares before Donus was made pope the Archebishops of Rauēna acknowledged the superioritie of the Church of Rome as appereth by sondrye epistles of S. Gregorie and receyuid theire Palle from thense a most certayne token of subiection matters also being remoued from thense to the popes consistory yea the bishop of Rauēna cōfessing that Rome was the holy See that sente to the vniuersall Churche her lawes and prayeth S. Gregorie not onely to preserue to the Church of Rauenna which peculiarly was vnder Rome her olde priuileges but also to bestowe greater priuileges vppon her Wherein appeareth your great vntruth and foly withal in that you saie there had bene an olde and continuall dissention betwixt the Archebishop of Rome and the Archebishop of Rauenna for the superioritie Now you see the dissension was not continual nor very olde it being so late subiect to the See of Rome in the tyme of S. Gregory Herein appeareth also an other of your vntruths where you alleadge out of the pontifical that Pope Leo brought Rauenna vnder his obeisaunce For the pontificall saieth Restituta est Ecclesia Rauennas sub ordinatione Sedis Apostolicae The Church of Rauenna was restored or brought home againe vnder the ordering of the See Apostolike In which wordes if you had truly reported them woulde easely haue appeared that the rebelliouse childe was then brought home again to obediēce not that then first it was brought vnder subiection as you vntruly and ignorantly surmise You say also as ignorantly or as vntruly that Theodorus the Archebishope of Rauenna who submitted his Church to Pope Agatho was a familiar frēd to Agatho and was of him honoured with his legacie to the sixt generall Councell of Constantinople intending thereby to make your reader thinke he did it of frendship or flattery and not of duety But your conceytes haue deceyued you For the legat of pope Agatho in that Councel so familiar a frend of his and so much by him honoured was one Theodorus presbyter Rauennas a priest of Rauenna as both in the life of Agatho and in the very Councel it self euidently appeareth Neither could that priest be afterward the same bishope that so submitted him self for that submission was before the Councell as in the life of Agatho it appeareth So lernedly and truely M. Horne in his talke procedeth With like truthe M. Horn telleth that Theodorus made his see of Rauenna subiect to Rome bicause his clergy did not so solemnely conducte him to Church vpon Christmas day as the maner had been Would not a man here suppose that this was a very solemne prelat that forlacke of his solemnyty would forsake his whole clergy But it is not possible for these lying superintendentes to tel their tales truly The story is this Theodorus the Archebisshop of Rauenna saieth Nauclerus minding vpon Christmas daye before the sonne risyng to say Masse in S. Apollinaris Church was forsaken of al his clergy And vntil it was
This was through their flattery which their parasites call humility Then by you Platina was the Popes flatterer Verily such a flatterer he was that for his free speaking agaīst the Pope he was imprisoned And it is not likely that he which was so free with the Pope thē liuing would flatter with the Popes that were dead You adde farder to proue themperour did not geue vp the Popes confirmatiō For it is not say you any thinge likely for Pope Agatho could not obtain it and it was kept but a small tyme and the Pope him self with the cōsent of a Councel not long after resigned it Haue ye done M. Horne then I pray lappe vp your as wise a conclusion as before Ergo the Quene of England is the supreame head But nowe what say you to this M. Horne that Constantin agnised the Pope for the true vicar of Christe Doth not Platina write this whose words your self reherse Let the Popes cōfirmatiō weigh as it may weigh which maketh neither with nor against this supremacy Doe not these thre woords Christes true vicar weigh down ād beate al in peces your sely poore light reasons of your cōfirmatiō Brought in I cā not tel how ād al out of ceason and nothīg pertaynīg to the kings of Englād Who neuer had anie thing to intermedle for the ratifying of the popes election But what an extreme impudency is this Or who but very euil him selfe can suspect so vily and drawe al thinges to the worste If the pope be humble thē he is with M. Horne an hypocrite and a flatterer If he be stoute he is a tyrant ambitious and proude Contrary wise if the Emperour be cruel as we shall see anon of Harry 4. and Friderike the first then he doth but his right If he doe his duty as this Constantinnowe Theodosius Valentinian Marcian and Iustinian before thē they are deceyued with flattery Wo be to you that cal euill good and good euill For as before we sayd Vitalianus Donus Agatho Leo 2. wer al commended of all writers so is this Benedictus 2. highly praysed not onely of Platina but of Sabellicus and Volaterane both for his lerning and for his holynesse And in respect of those qualyties saie they Constantine sent the decree that M. Horne is so greued withal Yet al this to M. Horne is hypocrisy And the Historians he saieth were papistes for the most part It is true they were so not only for the most parte but altogeather hitherto For what other historians what other Councels what other Church can you shewe synce Christes tyme then of very papistes If you refuse the papistes historians you must holde your peace and let all this discourse passe from Constantine the first downe to Maximiliā next predecessour to Charles the fyft You must begynne only synce Luthers tyme Which yet for very shame you haue clene omitted not speaking one word of Charles the fyfte or of Ferdināde his brother the late most renowmed Emperours or of any their gouuernement in causes ecclesiasticall whose examples yet you might as well haue browght as of any other Catholike Emperour sence Constantines tyme the first But that in these mens eyes and eares yet liuing and knowing certeynely the contrary woulde haue condemned you In the other being out of the memory of men yet liuing you thought you might by suche homly shiftes as you haue made with patched false and forged narrations worke yet somewhat with the vnlerned Reader which trusteth you better then he knoweth you If this be not true tel me the cause Maister Horne why coming down to Maximilian Charles his next predecessour and to Lewys the frenche kinge next before Frauncis the first yow come not lower to Charles him selfe and to kinge Frauncis of Fraunce Why I pray you but for the reason aboue sayed Well If you had come lower you might in dede haue founde protestant historians for your owne tothe But nowe coueting to haue a coloure of Antiquitie for your doinges you are driuen to alleage onely papist historians papist Councells papist doctours papist Emperours Brefely all your Authorities testimonies and allegations none other but of papistes Yea the Scriptures them selues of whome haue you them but of papistes No merueyll therefore if you are so continuallye by your owne Authorities beaten downe In the meane season what historians what Councels what Doctours haue you in any tyme of all the Churche to speake any one poore worde for your ymagined supremacy No no M. Horne Either you that nowe lyue are not the Churche of Christ or ells Christ hath had no Churche these thousand yeres and vpwarde Either you must condemne so many ages before you or they must condemne you Would God our dere Countrie woulde ones consider this one reason and worthely regarde the same To returne to you Maister Horne what moueth you to saie that the Electours after longe altercation agreed on Conon and Theodorus the Emperours Lyeutenant gaue his assent inferring thereof that the Popes election still appertayned to the Emperours Lieutenant and to hys assent Your tale is myngled with vntruthe and your consequent hangeth loosely For firste altercation in the election of Conon there was none Sabellicus your owne alleaged Author saieth In nullo vnquam Pontifice creando maior extitit Ordinum consensus There was neuer more agreement of all degrees in the creatyng of anye pope then in this Conon And as for the Emperours Lieutenants assent he addeth Praestitit Theodorus Exarchus suum assensum Theodorus also the Lieutenant gaue his assent which he inferreth not as you doe to shewe that the Lieutenants assent was eyther of right or necessitie required but to declare that this pope without any altercation for his singular vertues in dede was chosen withe the consent of all men yea of the Lieutenant him selfe And thus your whole and onely proufe fayleth whereby you would persuade vs that the decree of Constantine the Emperour was so sone after abolished or els not at al made but as you most peuishly talk fayned of the Papist historiās being yet al such as wrote before Luther was borne and therefore by no reason in the worlde likely to be counterfayters eyther for our vauntage or for your disauauntage Els by the same reason you may reiect al histories ād Coūcels and doctours to bycause they al make directly against you and your doctrine not only in this but in al other your heresies and say that the papistes haue fayned stories deuised Councels forged olde doctours yea and counterfayted the Scriptures also which I praye God you Caluinistes of England do not ones attempte to auouche as the Swēcfeldians haue already begonne M. Horne The .84 Diuision Fol. 51. a. But I returne againe to Agatho vvho as I sayde being in great fauour vvith Constantine the Emperour Determined saith Platina to haue a councel to decide the errour of the Monothelites But .259 bicause he coulde not him selfe by his ovvne authoritie cal
a general councel for that beloÌ„ged to the Emperour vvho in that time vvas busie in the vvarres against the Saracens He waited saith Platina for the returne of the Emperour This Constantinus surnamed Pogonatus about the yeere of the Lord 680. calleth the Bishoppes out of all coastes vnto a general Councel in his letters of Sommons to Donus but committed to Agatho Bishop of Rome Donus beinge dead he admonisheth him of the contention betvvixt the sea of Rome and Constantinople he exhorteth him to laie aside al strife feruencie and malice and to agree in the trueth vvith other addinge this reason For God loueth the trueth and as Chrysostome saith He that wil be the chief amongst all he must be minister vnto all by vvhich reason made by the Emperour it may seeme that the pride of those tvvoo seates striuinge .260 for superioritie and supremacie vvas a great nourishment of the Schisme vvhich vvas chiefly in outvvarde shevve only for doctrine He protesteth that he vvill shevve him selfe indifferent vvithout parciallitye to anye parte or faction onely seekinge as Godde hath appointed him to keepe the Faith that he had receiued vvholye and vvithout blotte He exhorteth and commaundeth the Bishoppe of Rome not to be an hinderaunce but to further this Councell vvith sending such as are fitte for such purpose The bishop of Rome obeyeth the Emperours .261 commaundement And the like letters the Emperor sendeth to George Bishop of Constantinople and others The Emperour sat in the councell him selfe as President and moderatour of al that action hauing on his right hande a great company of his Nobles and of his Bishoppes on his lefte hand And vvhan the holy Ghospelles vvas broughte foorth and laide before them as the .262 iudges vvhose sentence they ought to follovve as it vvas also vvonte to be doone in the fornamed Councels The deputies for the bishoppe of Rome stande vppe and speake vnto the Emperour in moste humble vvise callinge him moste benigne Lorde affirminge the Apostolike seat of Rome to be subiect vnto him as the seruant vnto the Maister and beseechinge him that he vvil commaunde those that tooke parte vvith the bishoppe of Constantinople vvhich had in times paste brought in nevve kinds of speache and erronious opinions to shevve from vvhence they receiued their nevve deuised Heresies The Emperour commaundeth Macarius Archebishoppe of Antioche and his side to ansvveare for them selues And after diuerse requestes made by him to the Emperour and graunted by the Emperour vnto him the Emperour commaundeth the Synode to staie for that time The .5 Chapter Of the sixt Generall Councell holden at Constantinople vnder Pope Agatho Stapleton MAister Horne as he sayeth returneth againe to Agatho wherin he doth wel for this hath bene an extrauagant and an impertinent discourse But he returneth withall to his accustomable dealing sayinge that pope Agatho of his owne authoritie coulde not call a councell Which neither his authour Platina sayeth nor anie other nor he him self proueth He coulde M. Horne haue called a Councell and so he did call at Rome at this verie tyme a great Councell of an 1â—5 Bisshoppes our contreyman S. Wilfryde Archbisshoppe of Yorke and the Apostle of Sussex being one of them without the Emperor and such as this Emperour him selfe confesseth to be a general Councell But because the schisme of the Monothelites was deaply setled in Grece and was fast and depelye rooted by continuance of .46 yeares not onely in the Bisshoppes of the chiefe sees as Constantinople Alexandria Antiochia and others but also in the Emperours withall full godly and wisely that the Councell might be more effectuall and fruytful he thowght good to worke with the aduice and assistance of the Emperour and so he did And this his godly pollicy had his prosperouse successe accordingly Maister Horne will nowe recite to vs his collections oute of this Councell called the .6 Generall Councell that he hath gathered but how well and fytlye to proue his matter ye shal anone vnderstande for the confirmation of his newe erected primacy And first he glaunceth at the See of Rome surmising that because the Emperour exhorted the Pope to vnity the pride of Rome and of Constantinople striuing for superiority and supremacy was a greate nourishment of the Schisme This is a lewde and a false surmise For the Emperour in that place expressely telleth by the reporte of the Greeke Patriarches the cause of that stryfe to be quòd verba quaedam nouitatis intromissa sunt that certaine newe doctrine was brought into the Churche And will Maister Horne haue his vnproued surmise to waighe downe the Emperours plaine confession The malice you talke of Maister Horne is in your self â–ª It was not in Pope Agatho The Emperour protesteth you say to kepe the faith that he hadde receiued wholy and without blotte Woulde God all Christen Princes had done so You hadde hadde then Maister Horne no place in our countre to preache and sette forthe your damnable heresies You say farder The Bisshop of Rome obeyed the Emperours commaundement And this also you note verye solemnely in your Margin But both your text and your margin by your leaue lyeth For the Emperour in his letters to the Pope wherein he inuited him to this Councel saith plainely Inuitare rogare possumus ad omnem commendationem vnitatem omnium Christianorum necessitatem verò inferre nullatenus volumus Well we may moue you and praye you to fall to an vnity but force you by no meanes wil we Where then is this forceable commaundemeÌ„t that you imagine You woulde faine haue the Emperours very Imperiall ouer Popes and Bisshoppes You woulde as Auxentius the Arrian Bisshop did Laicis ius sacerdotale substernere bring vnder the Laye Princes foote the Priestly right and Authoritye You woulde haue them as the Arrians persuaded Constantius 〈◊〉 being sette to gouerne one thinge to take vpon them an other thing This with your predecessours hereticall Bisshoppes your prelatship also would Emperours shoulde take vppon them But they expresselye refuse so to doe they proteste the contrary they abhorre suche lewde clawebackes You adde farder that in the Councell the holye Gospelles was brought forthe and layde before them as the iudges This is a flatte vntruthe The Councel hath no such woordes I meane that the Gospels were Iudges No doubte but by the ghospels the Councel did iudge and determine the controuersies and had alwaies those holy books before theÌ„ as also a Signe of the Crosse and other relikes as Cusanus writeth But a Iudge must speake and pronounce a Sentence Such is not the Scripture but such are they that be as the Apostle saith Dispensatores mysteriorum Christi the dispensours of the mysteries of Christ the ordered teachers of his woorde the successours of his Apostles But you to make folke wene that Scripture alone were the only Iudge as though the booke could speake and geue sentence it selfe without a Teacher or
be restored VVe haue degraded the false Priestes Deacons and Clerkes being adulterers and fornicatours and haue driueÌ„ them to penaunce VVe haue vtterly forbidden al maner huÌ„ting and haukiÌ„g to the Clergy VVe decree also that euery priest dvvelliÌ„g in the diocese be subiect vnto his ovvn bisshop and that alvvaies in Lent he make an accoÌ„pt and shhevv to the bishop the maner aÌ„d order of his ministery touching baptism the Catholik faith praiers and the order of Masses And vvhaÌ„soeuer the bishop shal go his circuite to coÌ„firm the people the priest shal be ready to receiue hiÌ„ vvith collectioÌ„ aÌ„d helpe of the people That the priest seke for nevv Chrism alvvaies on MauÌ„dy thursday at the bishops haÌ„d that the bishop may be a vvitnes of his chast life of his faith and doctrine VVe decree further that no vnknovven bishop or Priest be admitted into the Churche ministerye before he be allovved bye the Synode He maketh many such like for the reformation of the Clergy in vvhat sort they shal be punished yf they commit vvhoâ—dome and likevvise againste sorcery vvitchcraft diuinacions incantations and al kind of prophane superstitions If ther vvere no more examples of any Church history but this 298 of Caloroman it vvoulde suffice to make plaine that to the Princes authoritye apperteineth to make Lavves and to the Clergye to geâ—â— him counsaile out of Gods vvorde hovv to frame the discipline to the edifiyng of Gods Church The .8 Chapter Of Charles Martell and of the keyes of S. Peters Confession Stapleton AS farre as I can see al M. Hornes noble prowes and great conquests haue bene and shal be vpon the laÌ„de By the which he hath brought and will bring yf ye wil belieue him vnder his newe Papacy many greate and noble countries yea Moscouia and Aethiopia to But happye yt is that he is not yet come to the Late newe fouÌ„de Landes where the newe Christian people doe as faste and as reuerently embrace the Popes authority as we after we haue bene Christian men nowe these thowsande yeares doe reiecte yt and that with moste shamefull vilany But as I said I fynde no martiall actes of M Hornes vpon the sea but this onely which is so notable and wonderful that this one way serue for all For Lo he carieth all the Popes authoritye awaye in a shippe to Fraunce sente thytâ—er by the Pope him selfe as him selfe saieth For as muche as he sent to Carolus Martellus the keyes of Saint Peters confession So that nowe the Pope hathe beinge therto forced by Maister Horne belyke in some terrible combat vppon the seas with sending these keyes so spoyled him selfe of all his iurisdiction that he hath no more lefte then haue all other Ministers of the Churche and euerye other poore selye Sir Iohn This is Maister Horne a iolye triumphante victorye as euer I reade or hearde of and these be as wonderfull keyes Some great and stronge wonders haue I reade done by keyes As in Italye that suche as be bytten with madde dogges haue bene cured by the Churche doore keye of Saint Bellins Churche who beinge a blessed man died al to torne with dogges And this is writen of a greate learned man of late memorie borne aboute those quarters I haue reade also of meruelouse greate miracles done by keyes that hadde towched the holye reliques of Saint Peter at Rome writen by Sainte Gregorye our Apostle as a thynge moste certainelye and notoriouslye to him and to others knowen But yet Maister Horne these your keyes seame to me incomparablye to passe all other And for the straungnes of the matter and for my better instruction I woulde full fayne be resolued at your handes but of two dowbtes that trouble and incomber me First seinge that this Pope as Maister Horne reciteth out of Pâ—â—â—ina passingly well learned bothe in diuine and prophane lâ—â—rninge and no lesse godlye stoute and constante hath yelded ouer to a laye Prince by sendinge to him in a shippe Saint Peters keyes all his iurisdiction and clayme that he hadde ouer all causes Ecclesiasticall or temporall yet for all this good Maister Horne in this so weightye a matter I woulde craue at your handes a litle of your good helpe to satisfie my mynde yea and your wise discrete readers mynde to For I hauing but a dull insight in such matters for my part see no great wisedome vertue or learning and lesse stoutnesse in Gregorie for theis his doings Your authors in this storie are here Martinus and Platina Yf we shall by them measure his wisdome and stowtenes and other qualities whithal yt was partly for that by his great carefulnes he procured that Rome being oppressed by the kinge of Lombardie was releyued partlie and that most of al for that by a councel holden at Rome almoste of one thowsande bisshops he condemned and accursed the wycked Emperour of Constantinople Leo for defacyng againe after the 7. Generall Councel beinge persuaded thereto by an hereticall monke the holy images as your authour Martinus in Gregories storie writeth And Platina sayth that he both excoÌ„municated themperour Leo and by sentence declared him to be no Emperour And so not whithstaÌ„ding the keies of S. Peter were sent away by shippe he reserued to him self one of S. Peters keyes and a litle more authoritie then ye were ware of yea so much that he hath geuen you a sore blowe in the face whith his key aÌ„d declared you aÌ„d your fellowes and your great Emperour to verie arrant heretyks I must now ons again be so bolde as to trouble your wisedome with an other as necessarie a question and that is by what authoritye ye auouche that theis keyes were nothing else but the popes supreame authoritie and iurisdictioÌ„ Your authors Martinus and Platina say no such thing No nor anie other that I could euer chauÌ„ce vppoÌ„ If this be your owne newe freshe inuention then haue yowe a iolie pregnante wytte and ye haue deceyued aswel others as the late reuerent father M. Bayne late bishop of Lichfeld and CoueÌ„trie his expectation somtime your reader in CaÌ„bridge that was wont to call yow quouis connu duriorem that is harder then any Horn. But I pray you good Sir is your authority inuoydable Must we neads sing sanctus sanctus sanctus to al your sayings and say of you as Pythagoras schollers were wont to say ipse dixiâ— aÌ„d reason no further Let poore blont fellowes be so bold vppon yowe for ones to heare froÌ„ you some better authoritye then your owne naked worde for this noble exposition Namely seing that your boke is not authorised by the Quenes coÌ„missioners as some others are And thowgh yt wer yet might we craue so much at your hands seing that yowe auouche that whiche for all your prety exposition was not done by this Gregorie nor could possible be done onlesse he had bene as frantycke as euer was madde Collyns of Bethelem Nor I trowe anie
hath forvvarned and the Apostle Paule to Timothe doth vvitnesse Therefore beloued let vs furnishe our selues in harte and minde with the knowledge of the truth that we may be able to vvithstande the aduersaries to trueth and that thorough Goddes grace Goddes vvorde may encrease passe through and be multiplied to the profitte of Goddes holy Churche the Saluation of our soules and the glory of the name of our Lorde Iesus Christ. Peace to the preachers grace to the obedient hearers and glory to our Lord Iesus Christe Amen Stapleton Many Lawes Ecclesiasticall are here brought forth set forth by this Charles with his great care that reached euen to the singer porter or sextē wherunto ye might adde that he made an order that no man should minister in the Churche in his vsuall apparell and that he him selfe frequented the Churche erlye and late yea at night prayer to But this addition perchaunce woulde not all the best haue liked your Geneuicall ministers Then layeth he me forth an iniunction of this Charles in matters Ecclesiasticall But consider his style Maister Horne What is it Supreame Gouuernour or head of the Churche in all matters and thinges Ecclesiasticall No but a deuoute and an humble mainteyner of the Churche Consider againe the order of his doinges Maister Horne which are to sette forthe iniunctions to kepe the clergie within and vnder the rules of the Fathers But from whence trowe we toke Maister Horne all this longe allegation of Charles his Constitutions He placeth towarde the ende of his allegation in the margin Ioan. Auentinus out of whome it may seme he toke that later parte But as for the former part thereof whence so euer M. Horne hath fetched it it is founde in dede among the Constitutions of Charles set forthe xx yeres paste But there it is sette though as a Constitution of Charles yet not as his owne proper lawe or statute but expressely alleaged out of the Aphricane Councell For so vsed godly Princes to establishe the Canons of the Churche with their owne Constitutions and lawes And in that Councell whence Charles toke this Constitution where it is saied that Scriptures onely shoulde be reade in the Churches it is added Vnder the name of Scriptures And it is farder added We will also that in the yearly festes of Martyrs their passions be reade Which thinges M. Horne here but M. Iewell a great deale more shamefully quyte omitted in his Reply to D. Cole falsely to make folcke beleue that in the Churche only Scriptures should be read But what neade I nowe seke furder answere when M. Horne of his owne goodnes hath answered hym selfe as ye haue hearde good reader sufficientlie alredy And I haue before noted of this Charles and of his submission to bishoppes and namely to the bishop of Rome so farre that no Emperour I trowe was euer a greater papiste then he was or farder from this Antichristian supremacy that M. Horne and his felowes teache For no lesse is it termed to be of Athanasius that lerned father as I haue before declared M. Horne The .101 Diuision pag. 62. a. This noble Prince vvas mooued to take vpon him this gouernement in ecclesiastical matters and causes not of presumptiō but by the vvoorde of God for the dischardge of his princely duety as he had learned the same both in the examples of godly kings commended therfore of the holy ghost and also by the instructions of the best learned teachers of his time vvhereof he had greate stoare and especially Alcuinus an Englisheman of great learninge vvho vvas his chiefe Scholmaister and teacher vvhome as Martinus telleth Charles made Abbot of Tovvers Amongst other many and notable volumes thu Alcuinus vvriteth one entituled De Fide sanctae indiuiduae Trinitatis vvhich as moste meete for him to knovv he dedicateth to Charles the Emperour He beginneth his epistle dedicatory after the salutatiō and superscriptiō thus Seeinge that the Emperial dignitie ordeined of God seemeth to be exalted for none other thinge thē to gouern and profite the people Therfore God doth geue vnto them that are chosen to that dignitie power and wisedome Power to suppresse the proude and to defend the humble against the euil disposed wisdome to gouerne and teache the subiectes with a godly carefulnes VVith these twoo giftes O holy Emperour Gods fauour hath honoured ād exalted you incomparably aboue your auncestours of the same name and authoritie c. VVhat than what must your carefulnes moste deuoutly dedicated to God bringe forthe in the time of peace the warres being finished when as the people hasteneth to assemble togeather at the proclamation of your commaundemēt he meaneth that he expresseth aftervvard by this assembly or cōcourse the councel that vvas novve in hand assembled as he saith Imperiali praecepto by the Emperours precept And waiteth attentiuely before the throne of your grace what you wil cōmaunde to euery persone by your authoritie what I say ought you to doo but to determine with al dignitie iuste thinges which beinge ratified to set them foorth by cōmaundement and to geue holy admonitions that euery man may retourne home mery and gladde with the precept of eternal Saluation c. And least I should seeme not to helpe and further your preaching of the Faithe I haue directed and dedicated this booke vnto you thinkinge no gifte so conuenient and woorthy to be presented vnto you seeinge that al men knowe this most plainly that the Prince of the people ought of necessitie to knowe al thinges and to preache those thinges that please God neither belongeth it to any man to knowe better or moe things than to an Emperour whose doctrine ought to profite all the subiectes c. Al the faithful hath great cause to reioyce of your godlines seing that you haue the priestly power as it is mete so to bee in the preaching of the worde of God perfect knowledge in the Catholique faith and a most holy deuotion to the saluatiō of men This doctrine of Alcuinus vvhich no doubte vvas the doctrine of all the catholike and learned fathers in that time confirmeth vvell the doinges of Charles and other Princes in callinge councelles in makinge decrees in geuing Iniunctions to Ecclesiasticall persons and in rulinge and gouerninge them in .325 all Ecclesiasticall thinges and causes If the gouernement of this moste Christian Prince in Ecclesiastical matters be vvel considered it shall vvell appeare that this Charles the great vvhome the Popes doo extolle as an other great Constantine and patron vnto them as he vvas in deede by enriching the Churche vvith great reuenues and riches vvas no vvhit greater for his martiall and Princelike affaires in the politique gouernaunce than for his godly ordering and disposinge the Church causes although that in some thinges he is to be borne vvith considering the .326 blindnes and superstition of the time Stapleton The contents of these matters stande in the highe commendation
sent his Legates to the Emperour Fredericus .1 and desired him that he vvould .400 take vppe and end this contention by his authoritie The Emperour commaundeth them both to come vnto him at Ticinum vvhere foorthvvith he summoned a Councell to be holden about this matter .401 minding to examine bothe their causes and by searching to trye vvhose cause vvas the most honest Rouland .402 being afrayed to haue the matter come to this triall getteth to VVilliam of Sicilia the Emperours mortall ennemie and vvithin tvvelue daies putteth on his Cope and nameth him selfe Alexander for he purposed belike to make a conquest of the matter He alleaged his election to be good out of all doubt and that he sent for the Emperours aid and not for his arbitrement and therfore thought not good to bring his case into doubtfull question The Emperour being offended vvith him for that he vvould not obey his appointment sent tvvo Bisshops to cite him to come vnto the Councell by the name of Cardinall and not Pope But Rouland refused confuting their citation vvith this Maxime or Principle Romanum Pontificem à nemine iudicari debere The Pope ought not to be iudged of anye man But vvhen these Legates from the Emperour came to Octauian he straight vvaies obeyed and they brought him to Papia .404 Vspurg saith that Rouland vvas oftentimes monisshed to come and did contemne all those monitions The Emperour faite in the Councel as Radeuicus FrifingeÌ„sis vvho vvrote his actes vvitnesseth â—ad made an oration vnto the Bishoppes vvherein he declareth and that by the example of his auncestours Constantinus Theodosius Iustinianus and of later time of Carolus Magnus and other that the povver and authority to call Councelles vvhere the Churche is trouâ—led vvith any schismes or other perillous distourbance belongeth to the Emperour Notvvithstanding he coÌ„mitted the desining of the coÌ„trouersie to theyr vvisedome and .405 gaue them therevnto authoritie The Councell debateth the cause and consulteth vvith men learned in the Lavve and so concludeth that Octauians election vvas good and adiudgeth him to be the righte Bishoppe of Rome VVheÌ„ they had thus tryed out the matter Fredericus the Emperour saith Platina Confirmat Octauianum Pontificem Confirmed Octauian Pope .406 The Emperour vvithin a vvhile after sente Octauianus nevv confirmed Pope tovvardes Rome vvho dyed in the iourney After vvhose death the Emperour called an other councell at VVirtzberge as Auentinus vvriteth vvherein vvere a great number of Archebishoppes and other Bishoppes aÌ„d also many of the nobles and states of the Empyre In this Councell a statute or Decree vvas made by common consente That from hence foorth none shoulde be Pope onelesse he were created by the consent of the Emperour accordinge as the custome had bene of longe and auncient time This vvorthy Emperour vvhom the Chronicles call Christianissimum moste Christian for his zeale tovvardes Goddes Churche endeuored not vvithout great perill to him selfe and his estate to reteine the iurisdiction due to the Princes and thereby to refourme the horrible disorders that vvere grovven so highe that they ouervvhelmed the Church as in lyke sorte diuers other Emperours end Kinges bothe before and after had attempted but in vayne for the vvealthy pride the fierce povver and .407 trayterous treachery of the Pope and his Prelates vvas so mighty violent and subtile that there vvas no earthly povver able to vvithstande or matche vvith them And therefore Erasmus compteth the Popes of this time and those that folovved to be the Vicars and sâ—ccessours of Iulius Caesar of Alexander the Great of Croesus the ryche and of Xerxes the mighty rather then of Christe the onelye Emperour and gouernour of the Churche Bernarde calleth Eugenius .3 in his great pompe and pride rather the successour of Constantinus the highe Emperour then of Peter the humble Apostle and Abbas Vrspurg vvho lyued at this time vvhen the Popes had spoyled the â—mperour and other Princes vvelnighe of .408 all iurisdiction rulinge all by theyr ovvne Decretalles novve aboute this time set foorth .409 as they listed maketh a lamentable complainte of the horrible pryde and couetousnesse of the .410 vvhole clergy and coÌ„cludeth vvith these vvords Gaude mater nostra Roma c. Reioyce O our mother Rome bycause the seluses of the hidden treasures in the earthe are opened that riuers aÌ„d heapes of mony maye flowe vnto thee in great abundance Be glad of the iniquitie of the sonnes of meÌ„ bicause mony is geuen to thee for the recompence of so great euilles Be mery and iocund for discordes sake which is thy helper bicause she is rushte out of the infernall pit that plentiful rewardes of money might be heaped vpon the thou hast that which thou hast alwaies thyrsted after synge pleasant balades for throughe mennes malitiousnesse not by thy Godlinesse thou hast ouercome the worlde The .18 Chapter Of Frederike Barbarossa and of Alexander the .3 Stapleton MAister Horne good Reader as he hath hitherto so doth he styll playe Cacus parte This Cacus stole Hercules Oxen and because he woulde not haue them espied where they were by the track he drewe theÌ„ into his caue by the tayles backward Whiche thing Hercules seing did nothing mistrust they shoulde be there but yet as he passed by with the droue of his beastes the beasts that were in the denne lackinge theyr company beganne as the maner is to bellowe wherby all this thefte was discried This boke of M. Hornes is the very denne of Cacus into the which by a pretye sleight he conueyeth in hys stories and other proufes as a man maye say by the taile backewarde that is not keeping the righte and customable waie and order in making true and faithfull allegations but craftelie and peruersely cutting and chopping away some parte of them which partely lying in this his Cacus denne and as it were bellowing for his companie bewrayeth all M. Hornes slie dealings So haue ye hitherto found it and so shall ye still good Reader finde it and loe we haue at hande a ready proufe Frederike saith M. Horne seing the horrible vices of the Romisâ—h Church commaundâ—d that no Legate of the Church of Rome should come into Germanie c. First Maister Horne what horrible vices of the Romissh Churche were those you speake of It is verely naughte els tâ—en a horrible lye of your schismatical mouth The beginning of the sentence of the whiche you haue taken the taile onely is this Adrian the .4 our Countrieman and Frederike the first were fallen at great variaunce The Pope complained saith Nauclerus your own Authour that liuing betwene the swordes of the Romaines and William of Sicilie he was forsaken of the Emperoure contrarye to his great promises and so vexed for the Emperours sake that he could not reast at Rome The Emperoure on the other side pretended many things and namely the crowning of William the King of Sicilia Iamque ad id
iustice for that he bestowed spiritual lyuings vpon none but suche as he knewe Onlesse ye did proue withall that he knewe none but honest men But will you see what Nauclerus your owne Author writeth hereof He saith of this Otho This man was praysed of many religious persons and of the clergy for a defendour of Iustice when yet he was altogether a dissembler Nam omnia beneficia tam Ecclesiastica quà m secularia familiaribus suis quos secum ex Saxonia Anglia duxerat contulit For he bestowed all promotions as well Ecclesiastical as temporall vppon his nere acquaintaunce such as he brought with him out of Saxony and out of Englande Lo M. Horne this For he bestowed which you brīg to proue a supreme gouerment Nauclerus reporteth to proue a partial regiment That he telleth to his shame you drawe it to his honour Again what patrone of Iustice call you him that wrongfully toke frō the Church of Rome her olde and rightful possessions and was therfore excommunicated and deposed of Innocētius .3 and Frederik .2 made Emperour in his place And that notwithstanding the diet of Otho his faction holden at Norimberg which you vntruly cal a Synod Neither was it there debated of the Popes Authority in Ecclesiastical matters which is our present matter but only whether the Pope might depose the Emperour which is not now any part of our matter in hande M. Horne The .124 Diuision pag. 78. b. In England as Henry his father had doone before him so folovved Kinge Richard in geuing Ecclesiastical promotions in calling coūcels and ordering other Ecclesiastical matters yea ▪ euen in his absence being in Syria by one that represented his person therin the B. of Ely who called and made a councel at westminster as the kīgs procurator and the Popes Legat ād .432 spake by the Kings power But in this matter kīg Iohn did more then any of his predecessours vvhich purchased him much hatred vvith the Pope and his Monkes The .23 Chapter Of King Richarde the first and King Iohn Kings of England Stapleton NOw M. Horne is returned from Appulia Sicilia Germany and Italy into Englād againe And why thinke you Forsoth to proue him self like a good and faithfull proctour to the Pope that the Pope was the supreame head of the Churche of England Else let him wisely shewe why he telleth that the bisshop of Elie was the Popes Legate But chiefly why he bringeth in or is not asshamed to lay forth for his supremacy Kinge Iohn and to say that he did more in this matter than any of his predecessours Ye say truthe M. Horne he did in dede and being excommunicated of the Pope for his misorder and outragious doinges against the Churche and the whole lande interdicted he gaue ouer to the Pope his crowne and kingdome and receiued it againe at the Popes handes And because this matter shoulde not be kepte in silence which wisedome perchaunce and policie to woulde haue had so kepte Maister Foxe blaseth out the matter at large and laieth forth before all men the copie of the letter obligatorie concerning the yeldinge vp of the crowne into the Popes handes and of certayne money yearelye to be paide I will not nor neede not trauayle in the curiouse triall and examination of the circumstances of the cause but this only wil I say to M. Foxe and to you M. Horne that yf ye proceede on as ye beginne ye are worthy to haue a rewarde at the Popes hande either for that ye are but a dissembling counterfeyte protestante and the Popes pryuie frende or yf ye be angrie with that so wise and skylfull a reasoner that ye speake ye wotte nere what And while ye go about to set the Popes crowne on the Quenes head ye take her crowne and sette yt on the Popes head So that it litle serueth you to tel vs that Kinge Iohn purchased him much hatred with the Pope and the Monks Ye might haue put in and with all the nobilitye and commons to yea moste of all with God and good men to But this is your and your fellowes trade especiallie Maister Foxes in the setting forth of this Kinges storie to lye extremely to bring thereby the clergie into hatred and enuie as in thys storie among other thinges he hath done touching the poisoning of this King by a monke of Swinstead abbey And perchaunce ye M. Horne meante some like matter when ye speake of the monks that hated him But because I can not certainly lay this to you I wil let you goe for a while and be a litle in hand with M. Fox and opē vnto thee good Reader that thou mayst the better vnderstande his substātial dealing and handling of stories and the better beware of his gay gloriouse painted lies what is the common consent of our best chroniclers in this point First then this is a manifest lie that ye say M. Foxe the chroniclers moste agree in this that he was poysoned by the monke at Swinstead Which thing I could easely proue by reciting specially what euery authour writeth concerning the maner of his death But M. Foxe himself hath we thank him prouided that we neade not trauayle so farre for lo he bringeth in Polidorus saying he died of sorowe and heuines of harte Radulphus Niger saying he died of surfeting in the night Roger Houeden saying he died of a bluddie flixe Matheus Parisiensis saying that by heuines of minde he fel into a feruente agewe at the abbey of Swinstead which he encreased with surfeting and nawghty diet by eating peaches and drinkinge of newe Ciser or sydar Then adde ye farder Maister Foxe that some saye he died of a colde sweate some of eatinge apples some of eating peares and some of eating plummes So haue ye here good reader fowre chroniclers by name and at the least fowre other vnnamed that make no mention of any poyson Now could I bring the Polichronicon and Fabian which reciting the sayed Polychronicon saieth that the King died of the fluxe Here also could I bring in that those that write of his poysoning write very diuersly nothing agreing with your authour in the kind of poyson And also that they rehearse it rather as a common tale then for any assured storie or truthe Many other thinges could I bring in but what needeth yt when we haue by hys owne tale store ynoughe of witnesses agaynst him Yet will I adde one more but such a one as ought to be to M. Foxe in steade of a greate sorte that one I say of whome by all that I can iudge for he hath not vouchsafed ones to name him M. Foxe hath taken all his declaration concerning the election of Stephen Langton and of all the greate busines that issued thereof yea the writyng obligatorie touching the resigning of the crowne into the Popes handes Whiche lyeth in our authour worde for worde as M. Foxe hath translated it This
holie belief of the eternall deitie in this they re owne wickednes offende three together that is God they re neighbour and them selues God I saye whiles they do not knowe the faythe that they shoulde haue in God nor his counsayle They deceyue theire neighbours whiles vnder the pretēce of spirituall and ghostly feadinge they feade them with pleasaunt wicked heresie But they are most cruell to them selues whiles beside the losse of theire sowles as men making no accompte of lyfe but rashelye seeking death take a pleasure to bring theyr bodies to most payneful death the which they might by true knowledge and by a sownde and strong faythe auoyde and whiche is a most greauouse thing to be spoken they that remayne a lyue be nothing afrayde by they re example We can not staye and refrayne our selues but that we must plucke owte our sworde and take worthie vengeance vppon suche being enemies to God to them selues and to other persequuting them so muche the more earnestly by how muche the more they are iudged to spread abrode and to practise their wycked superstition nighe to Rome which is the head of all Churches Thus farre Friderike the Emperour Let nowe Mayster Foxe take this as a fytte ād worthie condemnation of al his stinking martyrs And take you this also Mayster Horne and digeste yt well and then tel me at your good leasure when ye are better aduised what ye haue wōne by this your supreame head or by what colour ye can make hym Supreame Head that confesseth the Church of Rome to be the Head of al Churches who also fealt the practise of the Popes Supreamacy aswel by excommunicatiō as by depryuation frō his empire that followed the sayde excommunicatiō the electours proceding to a new election at the Popes commaundemente As for Frideryke hym self for matters spirituall he acknowledged the Popes Supreamacy as ye haue heard and as yt appeareth in Petrus de vinea his Chaūceler that wrote his epistles though he thowght the Pope did but vsurpe vppon certaine possessions which Friderike notwithstāding his former othe made to the contrarie did afterwarde challenge The matter of S. Peters patrimony I will not medle withall as not greatly necessarye for our purpose the which when the Church of Rome lacked yet did not the Pope lacke his Supreamacie neither should lacke the sayde Supreamacie thowghe he should lacke the sayde patrimony hereafter or though his Bishoppricke were not indewed with one foote of land For it is no worldly power or temporal preeminence that hath sett vp the Popes primacy or that the Popes primacy consisteth in but it is a Supreme Authorytie ouer all Christes flocke such as to his predecessour S. Peter Christ him selfe gaue here on the earthe such as by generall Councels is confirmed and acknowledged and such as the continuall practise from age to age without intermission dothe inuincibly cōuince And for this Supreme gouernment ouer Christes flocke in Spiritual matters neither this Friderike neither any other Christian Emperour whatsoeuer except it were Constantius the Arrian euer striued or contended for with the Bishoppes of Rome To conclude therefore this onlye for this time I saye that your dealing with this Emperour Mayster Horne is to intolerable thus to misuse your readers and not to be ashamed so confidently to alleage this Emperour for the confirmation of your newe supreamacie Now thinck yow that Auentinus a man of our age and as farre as I can iudge a Lutheran and most certaynelie verie muche affectionated to thēperours against the Popes is of suche credite that because he sayeth yt therefore we muste belieue him that this Friderike was an other Charles the greate and moste profitable for the Christian common wealthe Howbeit let this also passe For the praise or dispraise of this Emperoure to oure principall matter which is whether the Quene be supreame head and Iudge of al causes ecclesiastical is but impertinent And therfore we shall now procede to the residue M. Horne The .127 Diuision pag. 79. a. In whiche time Henrie the .3 king of Englande held a solemne Councell in the whiche bothe by the sentence of the King and of the Princes not a fewe priuilegies were .435 taken awaie from the order of Priesthode at vvhat time the Popes Legate required a .436 tribute of all the Glergie but it was .437 denyed him Robert Grosthead vvhome yee call Saint Robert wrote vnto the Pope a sharpe Epistle because he grieued the Church of England with taskes and paiementes against reason of whiche when he sawe no redresse he with other Prelates of the lād cōplained vnto the King of the wast of the goodes and patrimonie of the Churche by the Popes neare kinsemen and other alient Bisshops whom the king auoided out of the Realme To vvhome also the Emperour Frederike vvrote that it vvas a shame for him to suffer any longer his Realme to be oppressed vvith the Popes tyrannie The .25 Chapter Of King Henrie the third Stapleton KING Henry the .3 toke away many priuileges from the order of Priesthode the clergie denied a tribute to the Popes Legate Roberte grostheade writeth sharply against the Popes exactions Frederike the Emperour writeth to the King that he shoulde not suffer his Realme to be oppressed with the Popes tyrrannie Ergo M. Fekēham must take an othe that the Quene is Supreme Head Yf these and such like arguments conclude Maister Horne then may you be bolde to blowe your Horne and triumphantly to reioyce like a Conquerour But nowe what if the matter of your argumentation be as yll or worse then the forme of yt Ye ought to proue that in this kings dayes the lyke regimente was for matters Ecclesiasticall as is nowe and that the kinge toke vppon him all supreamacy Ecclesiasticall The contrarie whereof is so euidente by all our Chroniclers and by the authours your selfe alleage and otherwise in this shorte declaration of king Henry the .3 ye do so friuolously trifle and excedingly lie as ye haue done and will doe in the reste that I muste beside all other matters by me before rehersed cōcerning the Donatists saye of you as S. Augustine sayd of them He sayd of the Donatistes that in theyr reasoning with the catholykes before Marcellinus Nimium patienter pertulit homines per inania vagantes tam multa superflua dicentes ad eadem toties conficta redeuntes vt gesta tātis voluminibus onerata pene omnes pigeret euoluere c. He suffred with ouer much patience those felowes wandring about trifles and so full of superfluous talke and returning so ofte to the selfe same matters fayned and forged that the Acts of that cōferēce were so lodē with such huge volumes that it would wery any mā to reade thē ouer ād by the reading to know how the matter was debated Yea their extraordinary vagaries were so thick ād so many that Marcellinus was fayn as Frāciscus
the Emperour as appeareth by his letters patentes therevppon beginning thus Lodouike the fourth by the grace of God c. To all patriarches Archebisshoppes Bisshops and priestâ—â— c. And ending thus VVherfore by the Councell and consent of the prelates and princes c. VVe denounce and determine that al such processes be of no force or moment and straightly charge and commaund to all that liue in our Empire of what estate or condition so euer they be that they presume not to obserue the saied sentences and curses of the popes interdiction c. An other Councell he called aftervvards at the same place about the same matter because Pope ClemeÌ„t called it heresie To saie that the Emperour had authoritie to depose the pope which heresie as principall he laid .440 first to the Emperours charg Item .441 that the Emperour affirmed that Christ and his Apostles were but poore Item the .3 heresie that he made and deposed Bisshops Item that he neglected the Popes interdightmeÌ„t c. IteÌ„ that he .442 ioyned certaine in mariage in degrees forbidden he meaneth forbidden by the Popes lavves and deuorceth them that were maried in the face of the Church VVhiche in deede vvas nothing els â–ª but that amongest other Ecclesiastical lavves that the Emperour set forth vvere some for mariages and deuorcements contrary to the Popes decrees The .29 Chapter Of Lewys the .4 Emperour Stapleton WE haue neede Maister Horne of a newe Iudge Marcelline that maie by his interlocutorie sentence bring you as he did the Donatistes from your wilde wide wandering home againe to your matter Let it be for the time if ye will needes so haue it that the Emperours Authoritie dothe not depende of the Pope yea and that Pope Iohn the .22 was also for his owne priuate person an Heretique And then I beseeche you adde your wise conclusion Ergo Maister Feckenham must take a corporall Othe that the Queene is Supreme Heade of the Churche of England Now on the other side if we can proue againste you that euen this your owne Supreame Head Lewys for spirituall and Ecclesiasticall matters agnised the Popes and the Generall Councelles Authoritie to be Superiour to the Authoritie of the Emperoure and of all other Princes and that they all must be obediente and submitte them selues therevnto then shal Maister Fekenham conclude with you an other manner of Ergo and that is that ye and your confederates are no Bishoppes as made contrarye to the lawes and ordinaunces of the Pope and as well of the late Generall Councel at Trent as of other General Councels yea that ye are no good Christians but plaine Heretiques for refusing the Pope and the said Generall Councelles authoritie For the proufe of our assertion that this Emperour albeit he stode against the Pope auouching him selfe for a true and a ful Emperour thowghe he were not coÌ„firmed by the Pope which was the very state of the original controuersie betwixt hym and the Pope and thowghe he procured Pope Iohn as much as lay in hym to be deposed aÌ„d placed an other in his roume belieued yet this notwithstanding that the Pope for spiritual and fayth matters was the Head of the Church which thing is the oÌ„ly matter staÌ„ding in debate betwene you aÌ„d M. FeckeÌ„haÌ„ for prouf I say of this we wil not stray farre of but fetche yt only of your owne authours here named who coÌ„fesse that he appealed to the very same Pope Iohn yl enformed when he should be afterwarde better enformed and withall to a general councel But what nede we seke ayde at Antoninus and Nauclerus hands when we haue yt so redy at your own haÌ„ds For your self say that he placed an other Pope in Iohns stead Ergo he acknowledged a Pope stil aÌ„d as your authour saieth vt veruÌ„ Christi vicarium as the true vicar of Christ. Neither did your Emperour diminishe or blemishe the Popes authority in any poynte sauing that he sayd he might appeale froÌ„ hym to the general couÌ„cel and that theÌ„perour was not inferiour or subiect to hym for temporal iurisdictioÌ„ But with you aÌ„d your baÌ„d neither Pope nor general couÌ„cell taketh place Now theÌ„ that ye are cast eueÌ„ by your own emperour we might wel let goe the residewe of your superfluous talke sauing that yt is worth the marking to see your true honest and wise haÌ„dling of it Your first ouersight aÌ„d vntruth theÌ„ is that ye write that the Pope claimed the coÌ„firmatioÌ„ of theÌ„perour as an ecclesiastical matter In dede he claimed the same aÌ„d so right wel he might do as no new thing by him inueÌ„ted but browght to him froÌ„ haÌ„d to haÌ„d froÌ„ successor to successour by the race and coÌ„tinuance of many hundred yeares And yet if we speak properly yt is no matter ecclesiastical no more theÌ„ the patrimony of S. Peter coÌ„sisting in teÌ„porall laÌ„ds was a matter ecclesiastical and yet bothe dewe to the Pope The one by the gyfte of dyuerse good princes the other either by prescriptioÌ„ of time owt of mind or by special order takeÌ„ by the popes at such time as the pope made Charles the great Emperour of the West or wheÌ„ he traÌ„slated theÌ„pire into Germany and ordeined .7 Princes there to haue the electioÌ„ of th' Emperor or for some other good reason that yf nede be may be yet further alleaged aÌ„d better enforced theÌ„ that al your wytte and coÌ„ning shall euer be able wel to auoyd Nay say ye theÌ„perour had great lerned meÌ„ on his syde experte in diuinity and in the ciuil and canoÌ„ law But wheÌ„ ye come to noÌ„ber theÌ„ ye fynd none but the Poetes DaÌ„te 's and Petrarcha OckaÌ„ the scholeman and the great heretike Marsilius Patauinus And shal these men M. Horne couÌ„teruayle or ouerweighe the practise of the church euer synce vsed to the coÌ„trary and coÌ„firmed by the great coÌ„sente of the catholyke writers and dyuerse general councelles withal Ye write as out of Antoninus or Marius in a seueral and latin letter that the Popes attemptes were erroneous and derogating from the simplicity of the ChristiaÌ„ religioÌ„ But such wordes I fynd as yet in neither of theÌ„ nor in any other of your authours here named And your authour Antoninus saieth that in this point both DaÌ„te 's aÌ„d Ockam with other do erre and that the monarchy of the Empire is subiect to the Church eueÌ„ in matters temporal And wheras your secte wil haue no meane place for any Christians but heauen or hell your Dante 's as Antoninus telleth hath fownde a meane place beside heauen and hel for Socrates Aristotle Cicero Homere and suche lyke Suerly Dante 's for his other opinion towching theÌ„perours subiection is counted not muche better then an heretyke As for Marsilius Patauinus he hath bene aswell long agoe as also of late largely and learnedly answered But as for these writers Marsilius Patauinus Ockam Dante 's and Petrarche with diuerse
his Apostles had nothing in coÌ„mon or in priuat which was the heresie of those that are called Fratricelli or Pauperes de Lugduno most chieflie of al men set forth by a Frier called Michaël de Cesena and our Countriman Frier Ockam aÌ„d Marsilius Patauinus and by this your Emperour Lewes of Bauarie and by Petrus de Corbario the Antipope that ye say was placed in pope Iohns roome who keping a Conuenticle in Italie condemned pope Iohn for an Heretique as your Author Marius declareth So that this faction in this wise on euerie side banded grew to a very great schisme And many so fondly and obstinately dwelt in this opininion that they died as obstinately and wretchedly for it And yet these men as I haue saied are not onely holy brethren but holye Martyrs too with Maister Foxe And nowe good Maister Horne tell vs your iudgement in the matter Is it Heresie or is it no heresie to defende this opinion obstinatlie If ye say it is heresie â–ª then doe ye confesse your newe Heade of the Church with his newe Idole and Antipope an Heretique and doe shew your selfe a greate slaunderouse lyer against pope Iohn and a very fonde madde man thus to fight against your selfe and your owne cause If ye doe stoutelie denie this to be heresie as yee seeme by the order of your declaration to denie it as well as the rest then shewe you your selfe no simple Schismatique nor simple Heretique and so ye are at the least messhed here in foure heresies To set some fast footing in the discussioÌ„ of these matters and seriouslye to weigh and examine euery thing woulde aske some larger talke theÌ„ we may now vnlesse we would be to to tediouse to our reader wel spare But yet for the two principal matters seing you make so light of Pope Iohn and the Churches Authoritie I will conuince you and sufficientlye to I hope and by suche a witnesse as your owne Emperour of all other men in the worlde did most esteme and reuerence yea and kissed his fote to PerchauÌ„ce Maister Horne ye longe to heare of this man Truelye he is none other but your Emperours dearling and idole the Antipope I meane Petrus de Corbario Who at leÌ„gth called no doubt thereto by the speciall grace of God better aduising him selfe of his doings and weighing them better with him selfe after mature and seriouse discussing of them in fyne founde him selfe no Pope but a miserable and a wretched intruder in the sea of S. Peter and a damnable disturber of the peace and vnitye of Christes Churche and to say all at ones a greauouse schismatike and an heynouse heretike Wherefore fynding the worme of conscience bytinge and gnawing his harte he fell to greate sorowe and lamentation and forthwith being then at a citie in Italy called Pisa before the Archebisshoppe of the said citye and the Bisshoppe of Luke and manye other honorable persons aswell of the clergy as of the laity voluntarilie and willinglye shewed howe penitente he was for his greauouse enormities and before them and certayne notaries for a full testimonie of his true repentance gaue ouer his vsurped primacie and plainely confessed that he hadde bene a schismatike and an heretike and he did put him selfe into the handes and mercie of the right Pope Iohn the .22 And wrote vnto him resident then at Auinion in Fraunce his moste humble submission in the which he declareth that as him selfe was but an vsurper of the Apostolique â–ª See So your Lewys of Bauarie was no lawfull Emperour but an vsurper He declareth further that both he and the said Lewes mainteyned diuers heresies and namely two of these that ye here specify concerning the pouertie of Christ and the making and the deposinge of the Pope The which he doth by speciall woordes freelie and voluntarilie forsake renounce and abiure And promiseth that he woulde euer after belieue as the sayde Iohn and the holie Churche of Rome belieued Wil ye nowe see good Reader the wonderfull workinge of God that hath brought to Maister Horne his owne Pope to condemne him and his newe Heade of the Churche Lewys for Arrante heretikes Yea to make a shorte aunswere to all Maister Hornes booke and to call yt heresie that Maister Horne doth so stowtlie defende in saying that the Emperour shoulde be aboue the Pope and to haue authority to make or depose the Pope And thus ye heare Maister Horne that contrary to your saying Pope Iohn neither was deposed nor coulde be deposed by your Emperour I meruayle nowe seing that it is a true and sownde doctrine by your newe heades teachinge that Christe and the Apostles hadde nothinge of theire own that your and your fellowes consciences who pretende that ye woulde haue the Churche that nowe is reformed to the paterne of the primityue and Apostolicall Churche are so large that ye are nothing pinched at coÌ„science in keping your godly and great possessions The .30 Chapter Of Gods Iudgement vpon such Emperours as seme most to haue practised M. Horns Primacy Stapleton BVT nowe M. Horne sith we are come by course of tymes and ages to the last Emperour that notoriously rebelled against the Apostolike See of Rome for since this Lewys the .4 they haue al ben obedient ChildreÌ„ to that See especially in al causes spiritual or Ecclesiasticall eueÌ„ to the right Catholike Emperour Maximilian that now reigneth I wil put you brefely in minde to what ends al these disobedient Emperours came Trusting that this consideration of Gods iudgement shal be neither to you bearing your self for a bishop in Gods Church vnpleasant neither for me my vocation considered vnmete neither to the Christian Reader vnfruteful To be short therfore CoÌ„staÌ„â—ius the ArriaÌ„ Emperor which banished Pope Liberius aÌ„d plaied in dede the part of your supreme gouernour died obscurely and miserably whiles he persecuted Iulyan his own Cousen Valens an other ArriaÌ„ Emperor and playing Rex ouer al Catholik Bishops in the East being ouercome in field of the Gothes was burned to ashes in a poore cotage with diuers of his nobles about him which â–ª was neuer read of any Christian Emperour sence or before Valentinian the yonger who called his bisshop S. Ambrose to appeare before his consistory and there to answer in matters of faith his end was to be kylled of his own seruants and shamefully hanged Anastasius the Eutychian Emperour and excommunicated of Pope Gelasius was stroken to deathe with fyre from heauen and Mauritius an vnmerciful persecuter of blessed Pope Gregory and a busy Prince ouer his Bishops seing first his wife and children murdred before his face was murdered at last him selfe of a base Souldiare Phocas Constans nephewe to Heraclius banished the most holy Pope Martinus but seing him selfe for that and such like wicked dedes saith Zonaras hatefull to his subiectes he left Constantinople and liued in Sicilia where at a bathing he was slayne Michael sonne to Theophilus
a notorious enemy to the See Apostolike namely to Nicolaus the first going drunke to bed was miserably slayne by his beds syde forsaken of al his freÌ„ds And thus much of the Greke Emperours and of the East Church only Valentinian excepted The first of al the Germain Emperours that notoriously disobeyed the See of Rome and that was therefore by the Pope excommunicated openly was Henry the .4 whome Gregory the seueÌ„th otherwise called HildebraÌ„d excoÌ„municated His end was as it hath before ben declared that being first deposed of his own son after much resistance and misery appealiÌ„g but to late to the See of Rome seing hiÌ„self forsaken almost of al the states of the Empire in affliction and extreme persecution died Friderik the first called Barbarossa a man that many yeres persecuâ—ed the Church of Rome aÌ„d therfore worthely excoÌ„municated of AlexaÌ„der .3 to whoÌ„ also he was forced at leÌ„gth to submit himself though against his wil afterward in Cicilia being strong and mery sodenly bathing him selfe in a ryuer he was loste Philip an Emperour made against the consent of Pope InnoceÌ„tius .3 and a persecuter therefore of the Pope in the towne of Bromberge reposing him selfe after diner in his pryuey chamber was slayne of the Countie Palatyne Otho the fourth deposed and excommunicated of the Pope for his enormious cruelties and iniuries coÌ„mitted in many places of Italy was of Philipe the French king assaulted in these lowe countries and put to flight and shortly after in Saxony died as a priuat man Frederike the second a prince brought vp in the Court of Rome and set in the Empire by the procuremeÌ„t of pope Innocentius the .3 became yet afterwarde a most cruel aÌ„d tyraÌ„nical persecutor not only of that See but of al the Clergy vnder his dominions This man being excommunicated of Innocentius .4 was poysoned in Apulia as some write or strangled as other write by his bastarde sonne Manfredus Not onely this Emperour him selfe but al his stocke after him perished by violent deathes or imprisonmeÌ„t His sonne and Heyr Conradus being excommunicated also of Innocentius .4 for the great outrages and oppressions by him commytted against the Church by the meanes also of the sayd Manfredus was poysoned in Apulia This Manfredus commyng by these trayterouse meanes to the kyngdomes of Apulia and Sicilia and afflictinge the Churche of Rome as his father and brother had done was excommunicated by Alexander the .4 and after of Charles the Frenche kynges broother whome Vrbanus the fourth made kyng of Sicilia and Apulia he was vanquished and slayn in the fyeld Conradinus sonne to Conradus and clayming after his fathers Titles was of this Charles also vanquished and put to death Entius likewise an other sonne of Friderike the .2 and one that had longe and many yeres in his fathers warres done great myschief to the See of Rome was at length takeÌ„ in battayle of the Bononyans and committed to perpetual prison Thus al the stock of this Frederike the .2 who had so greuously persecuted the Church of Rome was in few yers vtterly extinguished Which thing al historiaÌ„s do worthely note though some more sharply them other yet al herein agreing that for their desertes God plaged theÌ„ so notoriously in this worlde Lewys the fourth the last Emperour by maister Horne alleaged being excoÌ„municated twise of the See of Rome first of Iohn the .22 and after of Clement the .6 vnder whoÌ„ and in whose fauour those poetes and oratours Petrarcha and Dante 's Marsilius and Ockam the scholeman wrote against the Popes temporalties as he was a hunting was taken with a soden palsey fel from his horse and died Such endes had they in this life that most practised the supreme gouernement by M. Horn here defended And his best exaÌ„ples and proufes to proue his strange primacy haue bene drawen from the doyngs of these forenamed Emperours And verely like as in the old lawe Saul Achab IoraÌ„ Ochozias Ioas Amasias Ozias and Achas kynges of Iuda and Israel died al by violent and miserable deathes for disobeying the prophetes and priestes of God Samuel Elias Elizeus Micheas aÌ„d Esaie aÌ„d as their such deathes were manifest argumentes of Gods indignation and recounted for suche in holy scripture so these forenamed Emperours aÌ„d princes in Christes Church Constantius Mauritius ValeÌ„s Anastasius Constans Michael Henry the fourth Friderike Barbarossa Philip Otho .4 Friderike the second CoÌ„radus Conradinus Manfredus aÌ„d Lewys the .4 hauing such violent and miserable endes vppon their notorious disobedience to Christes vicaires in earth the bishoppes of the See Apostolike Liberius Gelasius S. Gregory the firste Martinus the firste Nicolaus the firste Gregory the .7 Alexander .3 Innocentius the .3 and .4 Alexander the .4 Iohn the â—2 and Clement the .6 are vnto vs professing the faith of this Church vndoubted argumentes of Gods iuste indignation and plage in their behalfes and may well serue for holsome presidentes to other Christen princes not to attempt the like But nowe to returne to M. Horne and to treade as he leadeth vs haue out of Germany into France an other while M Horne The .135 Diuision pag 81. b. In Fraunce king Charles .443 denied the Pope the tenthes of his Clergie But Philip de Valois that follovved reformed and tooke avvay many late vpstart Ecclesiasticall abuses in the Clergy and Prelates in his Realme of the vvhich diuerse complaints being made vnto the kinge he caâ—led a couÌ„cel at Paris and summoned thither the bishops as appeareth by his letters vvherein he complaineth that they haue enchroched from him and his officers a great many of rightes bringing in their nouelties not due and vnwonted grieues vnder the pâ—etence of Ecclesiastical causes whereby they haue broken the concorde of the Clergy and the Laity and therfore willing to prouide so much as he can by Goddes help an healthful remedy He requireth and neuerthelesse commaundeth them to appeare before him at Parys personally c. The Prelates appearing at the day assigned before the kinge in his Palayce Archebisshoppes Bisshoppes and making reuerence to the kinges maiestie being set down with his councel and certein Barons assisting him a certeine knight of the kinges councell spake publykely for the kinge in the presence of them al taking for his theme this texte Geue that vnto Caesar that belongeth to Caesar and that vnto God that is due vnto God c. The kinges admonition being made a great many complaintes vvere put vp vnto the king by his nobles and officers againste the Clergies vsurpation in medling vvith contractes of mariages in their priuileges of â—lerkes In citations to their Courtes in their excommunications in vvilles and hereditamentes in calling of prouinciall councells in making synodall Decrees aÌ„d statutes in medling vvith realties in pereÌ„ptory vvrites in examinations of mens beleues in enioyning of money penaunces In shauing of childreÌ„ and vnlauful persons making them Clerkes in vvhoordome and
him to his shippe and saylled to Colayn as one that fledde away VVith .452 vvhiche doynges the Emperour became very famouse for he was a man of great vvorkes VVho did lyghten the kingdōme of Bohem◠bothe vvith the setting foorth of Religion and vvith the discipline of Lavves and good manners The .33 Chapter Of Charles the .4 Emperour And of Nilus the Bisshop of Thessalonica Stapleton THis man runneth on his race stil to proue the Emperour Charles the .4 also the Supreame heade of the Churche because he reproued the Popes Legat and other of the Clergy for disorders Goe ones to the matter M. Horne and proue to M. Feckenham that Charles toke either him selfe to be head of the Church or the Pope not to be the Head Was not this Charles crouned by Pope Innocentius his Legate Did not this Charles geaue the vsuall othe that Emperours make to the Pope And did he not at the Popes commaundemente voide out of Italie straight after his coronation If ye denie it ye shal finde it in your owne Authour Nauclerus Yf ye graunt it being the principal why do ye so trifle in other things that touch not the principal matter standing in variance betwene you and M. Fekenham These are but fonde floorishes of your rude rhetorique And I may resemble your doings well to a dead snake whose taile and hinder partes the head being cut of and the snake slaine do notwithstanding for a while moue and sturre yea and make a resemblance of life Euen so the head of your serpentine and poisoned argumentatiō against the Popes primacy being at al times by the true and faithful declaration of the saied Primacie against your false arguing as it were with a sharp sworde cut of yet make ye by telling vs of reformation and such bie matters a countenaūce and resemblaūce of some truth or as it were of some life in your matter ye take in hād to proue And truly your bie matters to are cōmonly brought in very malitiously ignorātly erroneously ād foolishly as wel otherwhere as euē here also For to leaue then other things what folly is it for you to proue by this storie the like regiment in this Emperours time as is now in England for if ye proue not this ye proue nothing to the purpose confessing your selfe that the Popes Legat was present in the Coūcel with th' Emperor And wel ye wot ye haue no Popes Legate in your cōuocation But what was the disorder M. Horn in the Popes Legate Because he will not tell it you good Reader ye shal now heare it at my hands Sir saith the Emperour to the Legate the Pope hath sent you into Germanie where you gather a great masse of mony but reformation in the Clergie ye make none At which words the Legat being gilty to himself went away Now what inferre you hereof M. Horne Do not these words necessarily import the Popes Primacy in Germany And that the reformation of the Clergy was at the Popes ordering not at the Emperours Is not therefore M. Feckenhā much boūd vnto you that he hath of you so tractable and gentle an Aduersarie But the Archebishop of Mentz also you say is commaūded to reforme his Clergy I āswere If ye had told the cause withal ye had surely deformed al your Geneuical Clergie The occasiō was for that one Cuno a Canon of his Church there presēt wēt in a cap or hood more lay like ād souldior like then Priestlik What think you thē this Emperor would haue said to your brother Smidelinus the pastor of Gepping that preached openly before a great assemblie of the nobilitie in Germany in his Maisters liuery girded with a wodknife by his side Or to the late Caluinist Ministers in Antwerp of whō some preached in clokes and rapiers by their sides What likīg would he haue had in your bretherns late booke made in the defence of their Geneuical apparrel ād for the vnfoldīg of the Popes attierment as they cal it And therfore the Quenes most excellēt Ma. hath don very wel her self to see to these disorders as ye said thēmperor would see to it him selfe He said so in dede But how To doe it by his authority No. But cōmaunding the Archbisshop to see to the reformatiō of his Clergy in their apparrell their shoes their heare and otherwise And withal he said yf the disordered persons would not redresse their abuses then should they leese the profites and issues of their benefices the which the Emperour would employ with the Popes cōsent to better vses And so haue you of your accustomable liberalitie and goodnes broughte to our hande one Argumente more for the Popes superiority This hath your Author Nauclerus And as for your brother Gaspar Hedio though he rehearse al the residue word by word in a manner out of Nauclerus yet these three poore wordes cū volūtate Papae weighed so heauie against your new primacy that he could not carrie thē with him And you to be sure tell vs that the Emperour saide he would see to it hī self But how he would see to it that would you not your Reader should see least he should see withal not your Charles but the Popes primacie This your dissimulation is badde inough But whē ye adde with the which doings th'Emperour became very famouse I suppose your vnhonest dealing throughout all your booke practised will make you famous to and yet to your no great cōmendatiō but to your great shame and infamy Your Authors say not nor can wel say he was famouse for these doings And then come ye in as wisely with your for he was a wise man ctc. Nauclerus saith in dede he was a renouned Emperour not for the causes by you aboue rehearsed but for some other that he afterward reciteth and nothing seruing your with the which doings c. The doings that made this Charles the 4. so famous if ye list to know M. Horn were that with his greate charges and bountifulnes he erected the Vniuersitye of Praga in Boheme that he founded manye Monasteries that he brought the bodie of S. Vitus to Praga and such like Which you had as litle lust to recite as you haue to follow Only you say he was famouse for setting forth of Religion A man woulde thinke that knewe you that he was a setter foorth of your religion forsoth But if you had tolde vs as your Author telleth you that he builded Monasteries and translated Saints bodies Euery child should haue sene that this setting forth of Religion in Charles ▪ was no such suprem gouernment as you should proue to M. Fekenham but was to say al in few words a setting forth of Papistrie See you not M. Horne what a faire thread you haue sponne M. Horne The .138 Diuision pag. 83. a. At this time vvrot Nilus the Bisshop of Thessalonica declaring the .453 only cause of the diuision betvvene the Greke and the Latine
euery godly and faithfull person ought to shewe to the chief Pastour of the Churche And yf any thing fall out worthy of amendement it refuseth not to submitte them selues to the determination of the Church which can not erre C. A recta .24 q. 1. By which allegatioÌ„ they proteste to meane the Church of Rome For so in that place we reade out of the AuncieÌ„t decretal epistle of Pope Luciê° .1 How theÌ„ do you proue M. Horn by this exaÌ„ple the like gouernement in the Church causes as you now attribute to the Q. Mai. and as you take vpoÌ„ you here to proue GrauÌ„te M. Horn to the See Apostolike now as the Court of Paris grauÌ„ted theÌ„ and theÌ„ looke howe and with what conscience you may take the Othe which now you defend or by what reason you caÌ„ moue M. FekeÌ„haÌ„ thereunto I would haue you ones briÌ„g some exaÌ„ple that made not playn against you and your whole booke M. Horne The .142 Diuision pag. 85. a. Pius the seconde sent his Legate the Cardinal of Cusa into the countreis of Sigismond Duke of Austria vvhich Legate when he woulde haue ordeined certain .465 Ecclesiasticall constitutions according to the Popes Lawe Sigismonde the Duke would not suffer that such a custome should come into Germany Aeneas Syluius vvho after he vvas made Pope vvas called Pius the seconde vvas of this minde before he vvas Pope that secular Princes might cal councels yea .466 maugre the Popes head and therefore commendeth that deuise of Charles the Frenche king which saith he is both a saulf and a short way to stil this mischiefe He meaneth to take avvay the Schisme and to restore vnity to the Churche Of the same .467 minde also vvas â—is Cardinal de Cusa as appeareth in his booke De CoÌ„cordia Catholica saying By that which is a foresaide it is gathered that the holy Emperours alwaies made the Synodical coÌ„gregations of vniuersal councels of the whole Chuâ—che and euen so I my selfe hauing sought throughly the Actes of al the vniuersal councels euen til the eight councel inclusiue celebrated in the time of Basil I haue found it to be true and so also in the same eight Synod in the fift Act therof we reade that the most reuerende priest Elias and Syncellus of the trone of Hierusalem in the hearinge of al spake thus Knowe you that in the tymes past they were the Emperours which gathered together Synods froÌ„ out of the whole vvorld aÌ„d they collected their deputies to the disposing of such maner causes VVhose steps therfore our Emperor folovving being also a worshipper of God hath made this vniuersal Synod Thus said he there aÌ„d I haue also redde in the litle glosse of Anastasius the library-keper of the Apostolical sea who translated the same Synode out of Greke vpon the same saying that the Emperours were vvont to gather vniuersal Synodes from al the vvorld c. The .36 Chapter Of Aeneas Syluius who was after Pope Pius .2 and of Cardinal Cusanus Stapleton YOu run stil at riot M. Horne bringing in your matters extraordinarely and impertinently and yet adioyned with one lye beside For your autor speketh not of the ordeining of any ecclesiasticall constitution by the Popes Legat but that themperor would not suffer him to receiue the profits of the Church he had in commendo neither any such custome to be brought into Germanye Ye are then in hande ones agayne that Princes maye call Councelles But when ye tell vs this owte of Aeneas Syluius and tell vs withall that before he was pope he was of that minde that secular princes might call Councelles if he were not also of that minde being pope why tell you this tale against your selfe Had you read M. Horne that notable letter of Recantation which this Aeneas Syluius in his riper yeares and later dayes after the example of S. Augustin retracting in like maner diuers thinges sent to the Vniuersytie of Collen sette forth fewe yeres past in diuers editions you woulde not for very shame if any shame be in you ones haue mentioned the testimony of this man In that Bulle of retractatioÌ„ forseing as he sayth him self the obiection that woulde be made he retracteth and reuoketh this errour which in his youthe at the Councel at Basill he had lerned that the CouÌ„cel was aboue the Pope In which he declareth at large by what meanes by whose aduise and counsell he was first persuaded so to thinke howe also he was agayne brought backe from that errour and amonge other meanes by the persuasion of that most lerned Cardinall Iulianus sancti Angeli who firste at Basill was for the Councell against pope Eugenius but after as after him all other reconciled him selfe to the pope was his legate in the Councell of Florence where most lernedly he confuted the Grekes and reduced them al only Marcus of Ephesus excepted to the Catholike doctrine of the holy Ghoste and to the vnyte of the Romain Church and last of al serued him in embassy against the Turk He proueth by Scripture by natural Reason by Authorytie of the Doctours that Peter and his successours are the Supreme Vicairs of Christ that the Church to whome Christ gaue his peace must of necessytie haue that kinde of regiment by which peace may most be mayntained and preserued which only is the state of Monarchy where one Heade gouerneth the whole body and last by S. Hierom and S. Bernard that the bishop of Rome S. Peters Successour is that one Head After al which he coÌ„cludeth Haec nos de Romani Pontificis Authoritate potestate sentimus cui coÌ„gregare Concilia generalia dissoluere datum est qui etsi filius est propter regenerationem propter dignitateÌ„ tamen pater habetur sicut propter regenerationis causam venerari debet Ecclesiam tanquam Matrem ita propter praelationis causam praeest ei vt pastor gregi princeps populo Rector familiae This is our Iudgement of the Authoritye and power of the Bisshop of Rome To whome it belongeth both to summon general Councelles and to dissolue them Who though he be a childe of the Churche for his regeneration and newe birthe therein by baptisme yet he is for his dignity and office her Father And as he ought to Reuerence the Churche as his Mother because he was borne of her so he ruleth the Church also as a Pastour the flocke as a Prince his people and as a maister his family because he is made the Ruler of her Again in his very last words of that retractatioÌ„ thus he speaketh to the Vniuersity of ColleÌ„ Haec nostra sententia est filij Haec credimus profitemur haec iam senes in Apostolatus apice constituti pro veritate asserimus si quae vel vobis vel aliis conscripsimus aliquando quae huic doctrinae repugnent illa tanquam erronea iuuenilis animi parum pensata iudicia
This to be so the Authoritie of Canons doth witnesse This the ecclesiastical history proueth This the holie Fathers confirme Lo you see M. Horne what the iudgement of Isidorus was aboue .900 yeres past howe iumpe it agreeth with the assertion of Catholiques now and how directly it ouerthroweth yours This therfore being so sure a Principle on our parte and so clerelie proued bethinke your selfe now M. Horne how your new Primacie wil be proued by this allegation Touching that you saie This Clergie in King Henries daies was not only of Diuines but also of the wisest most expert and best learned in the Ciuil and Canon Lawes that was or hath ben sence as D. Tonstal D. Stokesley D. Gardiner D. Thirlbie and D. Bonner by the euident falsehood whiche you practise in alleaging these witnesses a man may iudge with what fidelitie you haue handled the rest throughout your whole booke Who is ignoraunte that not one of these Reuerent Fathers did sincerely thinke that to be true which you here impute vnto them For whereas all vpright iudgement shoulde come of a mans owne free choise not stained or spotted either with the hope of priuate lucre and honoure or with the feare of great losse the one of those two things which of all other most forceably carieth men away from professing their owne conscience did stoppe those men from saying and vttering that which otherwise they would most gladly haue vttered sithens as they were put in hope of al promotion if they agreed with the Kings will of which they made I iudge the lesse accompte so disagreeing from the same they were certaine to loose bothe goods and life and also their good name in the shew of the worlde as who shoulde haue bene put to deathe by the name of Traitours whiche is the thing that all true subiectes doe chieflie abhorre Yet you knowe in suche sorte suffered a great many notable both for learning and vertue as D. Fisher Bishoppe of Rochester Syr Thomas More a great number of the Carthusians beside diuerse other of all estates You knowe also the matter then was not so sifted and tryed by learning as it hath bene since And we know they were the secrete snakes of your adders broode that induced the King to that minde not any of the Doctours here by you named who all againste their willes condescended therevnto Howe then are they broughte foorthe for witnesses of your heresies who for feare of deathe saied as you doe and that no longer then the foresaid impedimente laie in theyr waye For when the state of the worlde was otherwise that without feare of deathe they might vtter their minde freely who knoweth not that all they who liued to see those daies of freedome in all theire woordes and deedes protested that the Pope and not the King was head of the Churche vnder Christ Neuer hearde you M. Horne that when your owne brethren being arryued before D. Gardiner the Bishope of Winchester and then Chauncelour of England had saied they lerned theyr disobedience vnto the Pope out of his booke De vera obedientia c. then he aunswered that if they had bene good Scholers they would haue folowed theyr Maister in his beste and not in his worste doeinges Againe if they had erred through his Authority whē he was not so wel learned and grounded they should much more repēt and recāt through his Authority being nowe better lerned through longer studie and better grounded through longer experience And this Doctour Gardiner when he was moste of your side in this one matter yet he was so suspected of the Kinge for secrete conference with the Pope by letters to be sent by a straunger in the tyme of his embassye on this side of the Seas that as Master Foxe reporteth for this verie cause Kinge Henrie in all Generall Pardons graunted after that tyme dyd euermore excepte all treasons committed beyonde the Seas whiche was meant for the Bishoppes cause This ys that Doctour Gardiner who at Paules Crosse in a moste Honorable and full Audience witnessed not onely his owne repentaunce for his former naughty doings but also that King Henry sought diuerse tymes to haue reconciled hym selfe againe to the See of Rome as who knewe that he had vnlawfully departed from the vnytie thereof and had made hym selfe the Supreme Heade of the Churche of Englande altogether vniustly This is that Doctour Gardiner ▪ who lying in his deathebedde caused the Passion of Christe to be readen vnto hym and when he hearde it readen that Peter after the denying of his Maister went out and wepte bitterlie he causyng the Reader to staye wept him selfe full bitterlie and saied Ego exiui sed non dum fleui amarè I haue gone out but as yet I haue not wepte bytterlie And is nowe Doctour Gardiner a fitte witnesse for your secular Supremacy M. Horne Marcellinus the Pope being afearde of deathe dyd sacrifice vnto Idolles And the same Marcellinus repenting his vniuste feare dyd afterwarde sacrifice his owne bodie and soule for the loue of Christe suffring Martyrdome for his sake Will you nowe proue Idolles to be better then Christe by the facte of Marcellinus Or shall not the last iudgemente stande rather then the first What meane you then to alleage the iudgementes of Doctour Gardiner Doctour Thirlbey Doctour Tonstall and Doctour Bonner sith you knowe that all those chaunged their mindes vppon better aduise Or whie died Doctour Tonstalle in prisonne Or why lye the other learned godly Bisshops yet in prisonne if they are of your minde But if you knowe that they dissente vtterly from you and yet doe pretende to bring their Authoritie for you this fact declareth that you are not only a fond wrangler but also a wicked falsarie and that you knowe as well Saint Augustine whome you alleaged before so largelye and all the Councels and princes with al other Authours by you producted are none otherwise of your minde then are Doctour Thirlebie and Doctour Bonner whome you so impudentlie make to speake as Proctours in your cause albeit they are readie to shedde their bloude against this your opinion Once in maner the whole clergy of the Realme sinned most greuously by preferring the secular and earthly kingdome before the Magistrates of the heauēly kingdome But that sinne of theirs al those now abhor and haue before abhorred to whō God gaue grace to see the filthines and the absurdty thereof And surelye vntil the rest bothe of the clergy and of the layety do hartely repēt for that most filthy and absurd dede wherein they withdrewe the Supremacy from S. Peters successours and gaue it to the successours of Iulius Caesar vntill I say they repent for it and refourme that minde of theirs as much as lyeth in thē they cā neuer be made partakers of the kingedome of heauen But only they shal inherit the kingdome of the earth in whose Supremacy they put their cōfidence You Mayster Horn haue in dede great
Supremacy to rest in the Clergy ād not in the Prince which must obey as well as the other And therefore it is not true that ye saye that M. Fekenhams cause is no deale holpen by this place nor your assertion any thing improued But let vs steppe one steppe farder with you M. Horne vpō the groūd of your present liberalytye lest as you haue begonne you pinche vs yet farder and take away all together from Bishops and Priestes Subiection you say and obedience to the word of God taught and preached by the Bishops c. is commaūded so wel to Princes as to the inferiour sort of the people If so M. Horne howe did a lay parliament vtterly disobey the doctrine of all their Bishoppes and enacte a new contrary to theirs What obediēce was there in that parliament so expressely required here by S. Paule and so dewe euen of Princes them selues as you confesse to their Bishoppes Will you say the Bishoppes then preached not Gods worde And who shal iudge that Shal a lay parliament iudge it Is that the obedience dewe to Bishoppes In case al the Bishops of a realme erred is there not a generall Councell to be sought vnto Are there not other Bishops of other Coūtries to be coūseled Is not al the Church one body In matters of faithe shal we seuer our selues frō our Fathers ād Brethern the whole corps of Christēdome beside by the vertue of an Acte passed by lay mē onely No bishops no Clerke admitted to speake and say his minde O lamentable case God forgeue our dere Countre this most haynouse trespasse Then the which I feare our Realme committed not a more greuous except the first breache in Kinge Henries dayes these many hundred yeares Yet one steppe farder The Prince must obey and be fedde at the Bishoppes hande you confesse What is that Is it not he must learne howe to beleue and howe to serue God Is it not the pastorall office as S Augustin teacheth to open the springes that are hidden and to geue pure and sounde water to the thirsty shepe Is not the shepeheardes office to strenghthen that is weake to heale that is sicke to binde that is broken to bringe home againe that is caste away to seke that is loste and so forthe as the Prophet Ezechiel describeth And what is all this but to teache to correct to instructe to refourme and amende all such thinges as are amisse either in faithe or in good life If so then in case the realme went a stray shoulde not they redresse vs which were pastours and shepheards in Christes Church If our owne shepheards did amisse was there in all Christendom no true Bishoppes beside no faithfull pastour no right shepeheard Verely S. Augustine teacheth at large that it is not possible that the shepheards shoulde misse of the true doctrine What soeuer their life or maners be But put the case so that we may come to an issewe Must then the Prince fede vs alter our Religion sett vp a newe stop the shepheards mouthes plaie the shepheard him self Is this M. Horne the obedience that you teach Princes to shew to their shepheards God forgeue them that herein haue offended and God in whose hands the harts of Princes are inspire with his blessed grace the noble hart of our most gracious Souerain the Quenes Maiesty that her highnes may see and consider this horrible and deadly inconuenience to the which your most wicked and blasphemouse doctrine hath induced her grace You are the woulfe M. Horne And therfore no marueile if you procure to tie the shepheard fast and to mousell the dogges The .158 Diuision Pag. 97. b. M. Fekenham And when your L. shall be able to proue that these wordes of Paule Mulieres in Ecclesijs taceant c. Let the wemen kepe silence in the Churche for it is not permitted vnto them there to speake but let them liue vnder obedience like as the Law of God appointeth thē and if they be desirous to learne any thing let them aske their husbands at home for it is a shameful and rebukeful thing for a woman to speake in the Church of Christ. When your L. shal be able to proue that these wordes of Paule were not as wel spoken of Quenes Duchesses and of noble Women as of the meane and inferiour sorte of Women like as these wordes of almightie God spoken in the plague and punishment first vnto our mother Eue for her offence and secondarily by her vnto al women without exception vidz Multiplicabo aerumnas c. I shal encrease thy dolours sorowes and conceiuings and in paine and trauaile thou shalt bring forth thy children thou shalt liue vnder the authority power of thy husbād and he shal haue the gouernment and dominion ouer thee Whan your L. shall be able to proue anye exception to be made eyther in these woordes spoken in the olde lawe by the mouth of God eyther in the wordes before spoken of the Apostle Paule in the newe than I shall in like māner yeelde and with most humble thankes thinke my selfe very well satisfied in conscience not onely touching all the afore alleaged testimonies but also in this seconde chiefe pointe M. Horne I doe graunte the vvoordes of the holie Scriptures in bothe these places to be spoken to al states of vvomen vvithout exception But vvhat make they for your purpose hovve doe they conclude and confirme your cause VVomen muste be silent in the Churche and are not permitted to speake That is as your ovvne Doctour Nicolaus de Lyra expoundeth it women muste not teache and preache the doctrine in the Churche neyther dispute openlye Therefore our Sauiour Christe dyd not committe to Kinges Queenes and Princes the Authoritie to haue and take vppon them .538 anye parte of gouernement in Ecclesiasticall causes As .539 though a younge Nouice of your Munkishe ordre shoulde haue argued Nunnes muste keepe silence and maye not speake in the Cloysture nor yet at Dynner tyme in the fraytrie therefore your deceyuer the Pope dyd not committe Authoritie to his Prouincialles Abbottes Priores and Prioresses to haue and take vppon them the gouernement vnder hym selfe in Munkishe and Nunnishe causes and matters VVhat man vvoulde haue thought Maister Feckēham to haue had so .540 little consideration although vnlearned as to vouche the silence of vvomen in the Churche for a reason to improue the Authoritie of Princes in Churche causes The .3 Chapter Of M. Fekenhams third reason taken out of S. Paule also .1 Cor. 14. Stapleton MAister Feckenham his thirde reason is that women are not permitted to speake in the Church and therefore they can not be the heads of the Church To this M. Horn answereth first that this place of S. Paul must be vnderstanded of teaching preaching and disputing and that therfore it wil not follow thereof that they may not take vpō thē any gouernment in Ecclesiastical causes And then being merily
deuised this holsome Councell to seke for ayde of the Bisshoppes of FraÌ„ce against their spirituall enemies wherevpoÌ„ two learned bisshops of France Germanus and Lupus were sent into Brittanie to redresse and represse those heresies If those Catholike Brittanies had taken such an othe as M. Horn here doth iustifie they should I trow haue incurred periurie or treason to seke redresse in matters of religion at the handes of those foraine Bisshoppes Likewise when Melitus the first Bisshoppe of London trauailed out of Englande to Rome to counsell Pope Boniface of matters touching the direction of the Englishe Churche when also the Clergy of Scotlande being troubled with the Pelagian heresie and schismaticall obseruation of Easter sent to Rome for redresse Maister Horne must be driuen to say either that those Bisshoppes committed periurie and treason against their Princes or els that in those dayes no such othe was tendred nor no such regiment practised on Princes partes as this othe commaundeth Farder if it be necessarie reasonable or requisite that all true subiestes must renounce the Iurisdiction and Authoritye of euery forain prelate Howe farre was S. Augustine ouersene which so often tymes so earnestlye and so expressely chargeth the Donatistes with the Authoritie power and iurisdiction of forain prelates beyond the seas out of Afrike He saieth of them touching the accusation of Cecilianus their Bisshoppe Quem primò vtique apud collegas transmarinos conuincere debuerant They ought first of all to haue conuinced him before his fellowe Bisshops beyond the seas He saith farder that in case Cecilian hadde bene gyltye they ought not therefore to separate themselues from the Churches beyonde the seas of Ephesus of Smirna of Laodicea and of other Countreis He saith the whole Churche of Christ is but one bodye And they that separate them selues from that bodye vt eorum coÌ„munio non sit cuÌ„ toto quacuÌ„que diffunditur sed in aliqua parte separata inueniatur manifestum est eos non esse in Ecclesia Catholica so that they coÌ„municate not with the whole body whersoeuer it be spred abroad but be fouÌ„d to be separated in some parte therof it is manifest that they be not in the Catholike Churche I say nowe M. Horne yf by vertue of this othe euerye true subiect must renounce euery foraine prelate then did S. Augustine much wronge to the Donatistes to require them to conuince their aduersarie before the Bisshops beyond the seas which doth import an Authority of al those forain bishops ouer the Africans alone theÌ„ was he to blame to charge them with separatioÌ„ froÌ„ forain prelates of Ephesus Smirna and Laodicea and other Countreis Last of all then was he farre wyde to pronounce them for meÌ„ cleane out of the Catholike Churche which seuered them selues from the society of any part thereof Then also might the Donatist had he learned so far furth his lesson as you haue both easied him self of much trauell out of Afrike into Italy and Fraunce and also might sone haue stopped S. Augustines mouth saying What haue we to doe with forain prelates beyond the seas what nede we care for their Authority iurisdiction society and communion We are true subiectes of Afrik We renounce al foraine power Iurisdiction and Authoritye And truely I see no cause but with as good reason and conscience al subiects of all realmes may and ought to renounce by othe the power and Authoritie of al forain prelats or bishops out of their land and Countre as we of EnglaÌ„d must aÌ„d ought so to do out of ours Which if it be ones graunted enacted and agreed vpoÌ„ in al other realmes as it is in oures what ende wil there be of schismes and dissension in the Church What hope of vnytie can be coÌ„ceyued Or howe can euer vnytie be long maintayned What communion what society what felowshippe can there be amonge Christen people What Authorytie shall general Councels haue which consiste in maner altogether in forayn prelates and bishops if this othe be accompted good In the first second third fourth fyft sixt seuenth and eigth general CouÌ„cell of Christendom we reade not of any one Braityne or English bishop to haue ben present there In the 6. general Councels pope Agatho coÌ„fessed that Theodorus the Archbishop of Caunterbury was called thither and long looked for But for his great charge at home in those beginnings of the English Church he came not Wilfrid of Yorke was at Rome but not at Constantinople where that general CouÌ„cel was holden What theÌ„ shal our Church of England renounce the Authoryte of al those general Councels as the Authorytie of foraine prelats by vertu of this Othe What can be more detestable or abhomynable But they which conceyued and endyted firste this thirde parte of the Othe of renouncing all Authoryte of euery forain prelat had they not trow you M. Horn a directe ey to general Councels and did they not by that clause closely disburden and discharge the whole realme of al obedience to general CouÌ„celles namely to the general CouÌ„cel of Trent that theÌ„ was assembled And if they intended not so much see you not then howe vnaduisedly howe daungerously and to howe great a preiudice that part of the Othe was conceyued and endyted Agaâ—ne yf so much was not intended howe cometh it to passe that in the iniunctions where the Othe is drawen as much as may be to a gentle exposition this part is not so interpreted as it might not seme to exclude the Authority of general Councels then the which there is in the Churche no higher or more Supreme Authoritye excepte the Pope him selfe that is the vndoubted Heade thereof By this that hath ben said appereth M. Horne how falsly and slaunderously you charge M. FekenhaÌ„ with thre seueral lies lâ—wde shameful aÌ„d moÌ„strous For first it is no lewde lie but a foule and lewde heresy of yours that you haue erected a new faith a new Religion and a new vse of Sacraments not only to al the Church throughout the worlde before your daies but also froÌ„ your felow protestaÌ„ts the LutheraÌ„s the OsiaÌ„drins aÌ„d the Anabaptists If you take this for a slauÌ„der clere your self of your horrible heresies aÌ„d schisms in the table of Staphylus It is no shameful lie but a shameful and worse then a detestable case that by this corporall othe you haue forced many a soule to renouÌ„ce and refuse in effect though not in plain words the deuil hiÌ„self would not be so bolde at lest at the beginning these two Articles or points of our faith I beleue the Catholik Church and I beleue the CoÌ„munion of Saints It is no moÌ„strous lie but a most monstrous and pytiful case that you by othe renouÌ„cing the power and Authority of euery forain prelat in plaine Englishe haue made the Catholik Church which coÌ„sisteth of al forain prelats and bisshops out of England not of English bisshops onely in plaine Englishe a mere foraine
power and Authority out of Englande For yf euery foraine prelat be renounced is not all power and Authority of the Church which dependeth only of Prelates and Bisshops accompted also forayne and for very forayne renounced It is so It is so Maister Horne The Othe runneth largely and expressely You can not you may not you shal not God geuing vs his grace bleare our eyes with vayn talke or make vs to say we see not that which we see we heare we feele we vnderstande You sawe you sawe your self M. Horne that the woordes of the Othe being taken as they lie verbatim as you say they must did expressely renounce the Catholike Churche And therefore Marke wel gentle Reader You M. Horne thinking and labouring to remoue this opinion from the Reader for though you thinke in very dede that nor Churche nor prelat but only the expresse liuely worde of God muste be heard and obeyed yet yow dare not as yet for very shame to expresse that detestable minde of yours the lusty braue Chalenge of Maister Iewel offering to yeld to any one sentence or any one old doctor withdrawing you perhaps not a litle therfro do tel hiÌ„ that the Othe maketh no mention in any one worde of the Catholike Church but it speaketh say you of a forain Prince and Prelate c. Wherein to auoyde the manifest absurditye you flatly belye the Othe For the Othe speaketh not M. Horne of a forain Prince and Prelate c. But the Othe expressly saith of euery forain Prince and Prelat c. Now wheÌ„ it renouÌ„ceth the power of euery forain Prelat it renounceth the power of al Catholik Bishops without the realm of England which al are forain Prelats to the realm of England whereupon in dede M. Fekenham coÌ„cludeth not as it were by reuelation in a Monkishe dream without ryme or reason as that grosse head of yours most vilely rayleth against such a sobre and discrete prelate but with good reason and plaine euidence that therefore the Catholik Church is by Othe renouÌ„ced Not as though there were no difference betwene a foraine Prince or Prelat and the Catholike Church as you ful peuishly make Maister Fekenham to reason but bycause there is no difference betwene euery foraine Prelate as the Othe speaketh and the Catholike Churche Seing as I haue often said the Catholyk Church consisteth of euery forayn Prelate without the realme of EnglaÌ„d much more then of al the prelates within the realme of EnglaÌ„d Yea though euery foraine prelate without the realme of England may and haue in many General councells prescribed ouer al the bishoppes of England yet all the Bishoppes of England nether haue or may at any tyme prescribe ouer euery foraine Prelate without the realme of England This othe therfore excludeth plainely the Authority of the Catholike Church and fighteth directly against all good reason and order Now the definitioÌ„ or descriptioÌ„ of the catholik Church such as ye bring is much lyke to a shooe that serueth euery fote or to a Welshmans hose that serueth euery legge Simon Magus Marcion Hebion Manicheus Photinus Arrius Nestorius and al other sects that euer were will graunt to this your definition and wil therby challenge the Church to their sect only as ye do to yours But herein your synagoge resembleth the faulse and schismatical teÌ„ple that Onias made in Aegypte and Sanaballites in Samaria in the mount of Garizim wherof the ghospel of S. Iohn speaketh though yt doth not so expresly name it And though God had specially appointed the temple of HierusaleÌ„ to be his true and holy temple and would al sacrifices to be offred there yet the Samaritanes toke their temple to be the true and the only temple where God would be honored in And sayed that all offerings and sacrifices should be made ther and not at Hierusalem The Iewes sayth Iosephus when they had vnlawfully maried when they had transgressed and violated the Sabbot day or eaten meates or don other things contrary to the Lawe fearing punishment for the same would fly to the Samaritanes and to the false bishop there and complaine to him that they were wrongfully vexed at Hierusalem and so did ioyne with the sayd schismaticall factioÌ„ at the temple of Garizim And there was sayth Iosephus continuall strief and contention betwene the Iewes and the Samaritanes eche parte with much sturre and busines preferring and auauncing their owne temple yea the matter went so farre and the Samaritanes waxed so hotte and feruent at the length that they offered them selues to die in the quarrell and defence of theire hill and temple And this controuersy bursting out at AlexaÌ„dria into a sedition was tried by the common consent of both parties by the kinge Ptolomeus Philomitor Eche of them making this offer that that party shuld suffer death whose proufs shuld be founde defectyue and insufficiente the issewe of the whole contention was that the king pronounced and gaue sentence for the Iewes bicause they proued the continual succession of their bishops at Hierusalem from the beginning and that the kings of Asia had euer honored and with great rewardes enriched that temple as Gods true temple Whervppon the proctours of the Samaritanes were by the kinges commaundement put to death whome notwithstaÌ„ding the Samaritans toke for as blessed martyrs as M. Foxe taketh any of his ragged rablement in his new holy maâ—tyrologe This schismatical synagog is the very patern of your Church M. Horne Sentence hath bene geuen against your synagoge by many good and catholike kings by many general councells And yt is a most euident yea and a blasphemous lie against the Saints in heaueÌ„ to say as ye doe that al the Saints and faythful ChristiaÌ„s that be or hath bene are of your Church What so euer visour ye put vppon your Church when we ones come to the cheif poynte to knowe the Church by and by the which the temple of Hierusalem was iustified I meane the continuall succession without any interruptioÌ„ of bishops in the sea of Rome and in al other openly knowen to be catholik Churches maynteyning that faith that ye namely in this boke impugne then it wil easely appeare what your Church is and howe vnperfytte your definition is that lacketh one infallible marke whereby ye may sone disseuer the false from the true Church to wytte the knoweÌ„ succession of bishops from age to age in all places of the Christened worlde al which the worde Catholike importeth and the which therfore you haue omitted bicause you are not in dede of the Catholik Churche and bicause those markes of vniuersalyte of Antiquite and of a knowen succession doe vtterly wante in that you call your Churche Els if you haue those markes and we haue not procure I pray you M. Horne that some one of your brethern I prouoke them al in this matter doe answere if he can to the Fortresse of our first fayth by me set forth and annexed to the
Catholik good reader should haue brought a testimony out of this Author against M. Horne yt should haue ben with great contempte refused and reiected by and by But now seing M. Horne himself hath authorised him I trust he wil allowe him to be alleaged for our side also And then shall M. Horne take small coÌ„fort of any distinction to be found in him being one that auoucheth the popes supremacy as much as any man yea aboue al generall Councelles Yet M. Horne thinketh so to bewytche his reader as yt were with certayne magical incantations that he shoulde beleue this Anthony to be of his opinion We wil therfore for the better disclosing of M. Hornes iuggling gather so much out of Anthonius as we must necessarily do for the illustratioÌ„ of this matter This Anthonius diuideth as other scholemen doe al authority Ecclesiastical into the power of order and into the power of iurisdictioÌ„ The first power as he declareth doth reste in the interpreting of the sacred Scripture in the consecrating of the body and bloudde of Christ in ministring of Sacraments in geuing holy orders and beside other things in coupling of parsons together by mariage sacrameÌ„tally The power of iurisdictioÌ„ he defineth as M. Morn doth and doth diuide it into Cohibityue aÌ„d Not Cohibityue as M. Horn doth But for the residewe M. Horn plaieth the Medea as he did before with Quintinê° And besides maketh such expositions as neither his authour hath nor otherwise are true And as skilful a Logician as he pretendeth him self he neither followeth the order of his author nor yet the true order and trade of the rules of Logik that is first to define and theÌ„ to diuide But peruerteth and confoundeth aswel the order as the truth of al things Wel we wil walke also a litle disorderly to trace M. Horn in his own steppes The iurisdistion not cohibityue saith M. Horn is that iurisdiction or power that is exercised and worketh in the inward and secrete court of conscieÌ„ce that is the preaching of the Ghospel ministratioÌ„ of the Sacraments and the absoluing or reteyning of syns by the word of God in the publique ministery This sayth M. Horn but not his authour who referreth to the not cohibityue Iurisdiction only absolutioÌ„ in the secret Court of conscience Who saith also that preaching and expounding of holy scripture with the ministratioÌ„ of sacraments is no part of iurisdictioÌ„ ecclesiastical but beloÌ„geth to the keies of order Neither doth your authour call preaching and ministring of Sacramens the secret cowrt of conscience nor he caÌ„ iustly do it being a thing openly done sene and hearde but he so calleth priuate confession only because it is done priuatly and secretly betwene the party and the confessor And this no man doth vnwillingly for though a man may by commaundement of his bishop be allotted to a certayne parish and curate yet vnlesse he do submitte him self to his parrochial priest and open vnto him his synnes he can neuer be losed by him To confesse the which priuy and secrete faults he can not be forced but by his owne conscience And vnlesse he coÌ„fesse theÌ„ he can not be absolued To this coÌ„fession then it appertayneth that is sayd no maÌ„ is bownd or losed vnwillingly which you for the teÌ„der loue ye beare to priuat confession do altogether dissemble and not to preaching or ministring of SacrameÌ„ts as ye seeme to say Which preaching and ministring of Sacraments doe not appertayne to the not cohibityue iurisdiction as absolutioÌ„ doth but to the power or kaye of order which properly to speak is no IurisdictioÌ„ at al. The which as M. Horn doth confound so doth he imagine of his owne fantasticall braine that the iurisdiction cohibitiue hath two parts the one standing in excommunicatioÌ„ belonging neither to king nor bishoppe but to such as haue commission from the Church the other in hearing of causes in the external and publyke cowrte All this is but an heape of follies and lies For first his Authour doth not so diuide cohibityue iurisdiction as yt doth euidently appeare in hym and we shall anon more plainly open it Againe is not excommunication geuen and pronounced in publike and external cowrt vppon the hearing of causes there Why do ye then seuer and dismember excommunication from the hearing of causes ecclesiastical Now that excommunication should neither properly apperteine to the prince nor to bishops but to the whole Church and congregation is a fonde folish and frantyk imagination of M. Horne as euen also his Author Antonius in this very booke largely proueth And as it is not farre from heresy so perchaunce it is not farre from a premunire What meane you Maister Horne by this Churche The whole Churche can not assemble together And if you meane a generall councell whiche in dede representeth the whole Churche when shall we haue any man excommunicated For of suche councells very fewe syth the ChristiaÌ„ fayth was first receaued haue bene assembled And yet as fewe as they are diuerse of them haue alredy excoÌ„municated such heresies as ye mainteyn Yf ye meane of the particular Church where the party shall be denounced excommunicate then must we haue both men womeÌ„ and children solemply summoned to assemble when any excommunication is made For they be aswel parts of the Church as the wisest and the eldest parson of the parrishe And as euery part of your answere in this point imployeth a great folly so the greatest of all is to see yowe after this sort to handle your matters that ye haue now by this your wise reason frustrated and made voyde al the excommunications that haue bene made any day this .8 yeares and more either by your selfe yowre officers or by the arches or any other Ecclesiasticall cowrte in Englande And nowe may the poore honeste and catholyke woman of Winchester that vppon false excommunication if your owne doctrine be true hath bene kepte so many yeares in the Marshalsea goe home and serue yowe with a write vppon an action of false inprisonment either else shewe vs good M. Horne your commission to excommunicate that you haue receiued from the Church or congregation Commission ye haue none from the Quenes highnes for as you say she hath no such power her self from the congregation you haue none from the which two you deriue all cohibityue iurisdiction and from the Pope ye neither haue nor wil haue any From whence fetche ye then your cohibityue iurisdiction to excommunicate Now as I sayd take ye hede leaste to your greate folly be annexed also a daungerouse premunire As for M. Fekenham if he deny this and other Ecclesiastical iurisdiction to depende vppon the prince onely he doth constantly and agreably to him self and to a catholike maÌ„ but you neither agree with the catholik nor with your statute Law nor with your owne self The catholiks say that this iurisdictioÌ„ cometh not originally from the prince but being in the
iudgements and trialles forinsecal also by excommunication depriuation or such like ecclesiastical punishmeÌ„ts without a new commission from the Prince and to bringe nor reason nor authority nor Scripture nor Doctour nor couÌ„cel nor exaÌ„ple in Christes Church at any time practised for the coÌ„firmatioÌ„ of yt but only a decree of laye men contrary to their own Pastours and bishops it is such a kind of persuasioÌ„ as wel may be forceable to the haÌ„d aÌ„d the mouth to extort froÌ„ theÌ„ an outward coÌ„sent for feare of displeasure but to the hart and coÌ„scieÌ„ce of a ChristeÌ„ maÌ„ professing obedieÌ„ce to Christ and his dere Spouse the Church aÌ„d perfourming the same it shal neuer be able to perce vnto As for the Sequele of M. FeckeÌ„haÌ„s argumeÌ„t whereof you say the most simple caÌ„ iudge as though it were but a simple sequele to infer vpoÌ„ the Bishops authority in the old law the IurisdictioÌ„s of the bishops in the new Testament or vpon the example of Eleazar to inferre forinsecall as you call it iurisdiction in bishoppes it appereth by that hath ben said both that the deductioÌ„ froÌ„ the old law to the new is right good and such as your self most pleÌ„tifully haue vsed in the first part of your book yea so far that you charge M. Fekn though vntruly for a Donatist for seeming to auoid such kind of prouf and also it appereth that a vaine thing it were for bishops now after the example of Eleazarus to haue the directing feeding and ordering of Gods people if thei had not withal power and authority to cal back such as goe a stray to punish the offenders to visit their cures to refourme disorders to make lawes for order to be kept c. in vain I say seing that the one without the other neither was at any tyme auaylable neither can by any reason possibly be auailable M. Fekenham The .165 Diuision pag. 110. a. The seconde in the newe Testament like as our Sauiour Christe did committe and leaue the whole Spiritual gouernement of his people and Churche vnto his Apostles and to the Bisshoppes and Priestes and the successours of theÌ„ So they did practise al Spirituall gouernment ouer them they did execute and geue iudgement in the Churche of Christe they did refourme order and correcte all disorder therein and that without all commission ayde or authority of any Temporall Magistrat King or Prince for the space of three hundreth yeres in the primatiue Churche of Christe vnto the time of Constantine he being the first Christian Kinge and Emperour which did ioyne his sworde to the maintenaunce of Gods worde M. Horne Like as the Apostles had in commission povver from Christe our Sauiour to vvhome al povver vvas geuen both in heauen and in earth so faithfully they executed the authâ—rity and charge committed vnto them not seeking their ovvne honour by vsurpation but the glory of Christ by the abasing them selues euen vnto the death Their commission regestred by S. Mathevv appeareth in these vvordes Goe and teache al the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the sonne and of the holy ghost teaching them to kepe all things which I haue commaunded you Hovv faithfully they exercised this authority according to the commission S. Luke shevveth in his Chronicle called the Actes of the Apostles and setteth forth one notable example hereof in Paules oration made to the Elders of Ephesus called to Miletum He taketh them to witnesse that he kept nothing backe from them that might be for their profit but shewed them al the councel of God It is much 592 maruail that Paul shevved al Gods councel vnto them and yet made no mention of any Forinsecal iurisdiction as geuen them by the commission of Gods vvorde The godly Bisshops that succeded the Apostles for manye yeres after follovved the doctrine and examples of the Apostles yet .593 neuer exercising iurisdictioÌ„ Forinsecal neither iudging reforming ordering or correcting othervvise than bye preaching publikely or priuately vvithout especial consent and commission of their Churches during the time thei had no Christian Prince or Magistrate ConstaÌ„tinus as I haue said vvas not the first Christian King But he vvas the very first Emperour as your ovvne vvriters doe vvitnesse that .594 gaue Bisshops authority to iudge and exercise iurisdiction ouer their Clergy and that gaue to the Bisshop of Rome povver and .595 authority ouer other Bisshops as iudges haue the King ouer them and that gaue to him povver and iurisdiction ouer al other Churches if that Donation be not forged vvhich Gratian citeth And Petrus Bertrandus a Bisshop a Cardinal and one of your best learned in the Canon and Ciuil lavves in his treatise De origine iurisdictionum affirmeth that Theodosius and Carolus Magnê° did 596 graunt vnto the Churche al iudgementes For the proufe vvhereof he auoucheth diuerse decrees and .597 addeth That such grauntes were afterwards abrogated The .9 Chapter Of Spirituall Iurisdiction exercised by bisshops without Princes commissions and before Constantines time Stapleton MAister Fekenham bringeth now forth certain autorities of the new testament for the iustifying of his purpose as that Christ committed to his Apostles and to their successours the whole spiritual gouernement and that they did practise and exercise the same .300 yeres together without any maner of commission from Princes eueÌ„ to the tyme of CoÌ„stantin the great M. Horn thinketh it a sufficient answere with stoute asseueration voyde of al maner of probation to auouche that they had a commissioÌ„ he dareth not say now of their Princes being al or almoste al infidels but of their Churches Yea well and sone saide M. Horne but yf ye would withall haue layde before your reader but one authour old or new good or badde vnlesse perchaunce ye may bring some of your own fellowes and but one example for these .300 yeres we would the better haue born with you Now ye tel vs the Apostles did preach and baptise and other such extraordinary matters leauing the thing vnproued wherein lieth al the question betwene yow and M. Feckenham Your assertion is altogeather incredible and a very peeuishe fantasticall imagination that no man of the clergy or Laiety these 300. yeres was excoÌ„municated for any manner of offence no priest was forbydde to minister the Sacraments or deposed for his defaults by his bishoppe but by a speciall commission of the prince or whole Churche Ye may aswel pul downe the towre of London M. Horne with your litle finger as ye shall be able to proue this fonde assertion But yet before CoÌ„stantinus the great his time ye think your self cock sure Let vs then see howe sure ye are euen of this your onely example Verely I suppose that no man lyuinge vnlesse he hath a brasen face would for shame of the worlde thus demeane him self in so graue and weighty matters and linck so many Lies together as lynes as you doe
most and the best writers As for the second point the sayd tripartite hath euen as M. Fekenham doth alleage it and so hath Paulus Diaconus to that is that yt would please hym to be present that wronge opinioÌ„s might be reformed For the .3 point also M. FekenhaÌ„ swarueth nothing from the sayd tripartite Nay sayth M. Horne the dewe circumstance set forth in the story and Nicephorus who rightly vnderstode the Emperours meaning declare that when he sayd it was not Lawfull for him he meant it was no lighte or easie matter for him being occupied with busines and care of the coÌ„men welth to search such matters But howe proue you that Nicephorus a very late writer should vnderstand his meaning better then Paulus Diaconus that lyued at least fowre hundred yeares before Nicephorus that writeth thus It is not lawfull for me and my people curiously to medle with suche matters Wherfore doe ye that priests as ye shal thinke good Why should we thinke that Nicephorus should be more priuy of themperors right meaning then was Epiphanius the translatour of the Tripartite writinge at least .600 yeares before Nicephorus was born Yea why shuld we thiÌ„k that Nicephorê° shuld see more deaply the meaniÌ„g of theÌ„peror theÌ„ the original authour him self Sozomene that liued about the said Emperours time Who writeth that theÌ„perour ValeÌ„tiniaÌ„ answered It is not lauful for me being a lay maÌ„ to be curiouse in the searchiÌ„g of theis matters Let the bishops to whose charge theis matters appertain asseÌ„ble theÌ„ selues at what place they list Neither caÌ„ the circuÌ„staÌ„ce of the story of ValeÌ„tiniaÌ„ as ye imagine leade a maÌ„ to your sense For whether we coÌ„sider this answere or the answer he made at the electioÌ„ of S. Ambrose we shal fynd al to be of one sort Chose ye saith theÌ„perour to the bishops such a bishop for Millane to whoÌ„ we that gouern the empire may sincerly submit our head aÌ„d whose admonitioÌ„s we wheÌ„ by any fraylty as meÌ„ are wont we trespasse may of necessity recieue as of the physitions medecine And wheÌ„ the bisshops would haue sette ouer the choise and the appointment of the newe bisshop to him because he was a wise and a godly Prince Nay sayth he This enterprise or worke passeth our vocation or degree For ye that are indewed with the grace of God and shyne brightlie with that light may much better make this election The Emperour also vnderstanding that S. Ambrose was chosen sayd I thanke thee my Lord God that it hath pleased thee to commit mens sowles to him meaning S. Ambrose to whoÌ„ I coÌ„mitted mens bodies For before S. Ambrose was chosen bisshop of Millane he was the gouernour of those quarters vnder the Emperour But to put the matter out of doubt let vs harken to S. Ambrose and to that that he sayeth of this Emperour This Emperours sonne the yonge Valentinian sent for S. Ambrose to come to his consistory aÌ„d there to reason and dispute before him aÌ„d other as Iudges against the Arrian bishop Auxencius To whome S. Ambrose answered Sir your father did not onely say it in wordes but ordeyned by a law that in matters touching fayth or ecclesiastical order he ought to be iudg that is neither vnequal in office nor vnlike in right For theis are the words of his rescript or Law that is that priests should be iudges vpon priestes Yea if a priest were otherwise accused and that he were to be examined of his manners and lyfe he would that the bisshops should be iudges Wherfore his owne lawe may best serue for the interpretation of his answere made to the bisshops of Hellespontus And this with the other premisses declare euidently themperours meaning and that he thought it did not properly belong to him but to the bishops to intermedle with the affayres Ecclesiasticall Neither doth Nicephorus any thing hinder our purpose For that that he saith wil wel stand with Sozomenus And it is probable the Emperour sayd both And as yt is in holy scripture that one place supplieth the defect of the other so is it also in chroniclers And that perchaunce ye sawe your self and therfore ye runne to your accustomable reason as yt were to your Bulwork that the princes had authority to call councels and not the bishops for else say you what neaded them to haue craued Licence of themperour Wherein I answer they neaded his ayde for oportunyte of time and place And as at all tymes the bishops haue wrought in calling of Councels with the princes assistaÌ„ce so at this time the Arrians and other heretiks bearing such a sway in the worlde yt was great wisedome to attempte no councell without notice geuen to the prince and his consente had thereunto Namely considering what persequutions the Catholikes of late had suffred vnder the Arrian Emperour Constantius and that theire decrees could not be effectually executed against rebelliouse heretyks who coÌ„temned excommunication and al other Ecclesiasticall iurisdiction neither they them selues coulde safely and quietly assemble together without the speciall ayde of the Prince M. Horne The .171 Diuision pag. 119. a. Although yee .644 vntruely reporte the storie of Theodosius the Emperour and Ambrose the Bisshoppe of Millaine yet can you not by any meanes vvrast it to serue your purpose .645 any vvhitte at all For if it vvere true that Ambrose forbadde Theodosius the Emperour the entraunce into the Chauncellior that the Emperour had said to him that he had learned the difference betvvixt an Emperour and a Priest yet can you not conclude thereof therefore Bisshops and Priests haue povver and authoritie to make Lavves Orders and Decrees to their flockes and cures and to exercise the seconde kinde of Cohibitiue Iurisdiction ouer them Theodosius as the Author vvriteth came into the Chauncell to offer his oblation vvhereat S. Ambrose found no fault But vvhen he staid there still to receiue the holy Mysteries S. Ambrose sent him vvord to go foorth and abide vvith the other of the Church for that place vvas only for the Priests For vvhich monition the Emperoure vvas retourned to Constantinople and came on a time into the invvarde place or Chauncell to offer his oblation and vvent foorth againe so sone as he had offred Nectarius the Bisshop demaunded of him vvherefore he taried not stil vvithin meaning to receiue the holy mysteries To vvhome the Emperour maketh ansvvere saying I haue scarsely learned the difference betvvixt an Emperour and a Priest Stapleton The third story is of th'Emperour Theodosius the Great whome S. Ambrose forbadde to enter into the Chauncell saying The inner partes of the Church ô Emperour lie open for Priests only c. whome the Emperour thanked for this admonition saying that he had now learned a difference betwixt an Emperour and a Priest First M. Horne findeth this faulte with Maister Fekenham that he vntruely reporteth the Storie of Theodosius then in case this
order taken in matters Ecclesiastical none of the Clergy should appeale vpon paine of depriuation to any ciuile Prince And that we go not from the storie and time of Theodosius and S. Ambrose did not S. Ambrose with the whole Councell kept at Aquileia depose Palladius for that he among other things would haue had certaine noble men to haue ben associate to sitte in iudgement with the Bishops in the time of Theodosius Of the which I haue spoken more largely in my Returne c. against M. Iewell Thus ye perceiue good Reader how aptly and fitly M. Fekenham hath accommodated to his purpose the stories of these three Emperours and to what poore shifts Maister Horne is driuen for the maintenance of his euill cause that he hath taken in hand to defend Thus you see also how to this storie of S. Ambrose and Theodosius M. Horne hathe answered no one word but making a short recitall thereof stealeth faire away without any answere at all M. Fekenham The .172 Diuision pag. 119. a. M. Iohn Caluine intreating of the Histories betwixte these Emperors Valētinian Theodosius and S. Ambrose after a lōg processe wherin he maketh good prouf that all spiritual iurisdictiō doth appertain vnto the Church and not vnto the Empire he hath these woordes folowing Qui vt magistratum ornēt Ecclesiam spoliant hac potestate non modo falsa interpretatione Christi sententiā corrumpunt sed sanctos omnes Episcopos qui tam multi à tempore Apostolorum extiterunt non leuiter damnant Quod honorem officiūque Magistratus falso praetextu sibi vsurpauerīt Now they do spoil the Church of that authority therby to adorn temporal Magistrates not onely by corrupting Christ his appointment and meaning therin But also they lightly cōdemne and set at naught al those holy Bishops which in so great number haue continued frō the time of the Apostles hitherto which honour and office of Spiritual gouernmēt they haue saith Iohn Caluin vsurped and taken vpon them by a false pretext and title made therof And againe Iohn Caluin saith Qui in initio tantopere extulerunt Henricum regem Angliae certe fuerunt homines incōsiderati Dederūt illi summā omniū potestatē Et hoc me semper grauiter vulnerauit erant enim blasphemi cum vocarent ipsum summū caput Ecclesiae sub Christo. They which in the beginning did so much extoll Henry King of England and which did geue vnto him the highest authoritie in the Church they were men which lacked circumspection and of small consideration which thing saith Iohn Caluin did at all times offend me very much for they did commit blasphemie and were blasphemers when they did cal him the supreame Head of the Churche M. Horne The collectour of your common places did .646 beguile you vvhiche you vvoulde haue perceiued if you hadde readde Maister Caluine vvith your ovvne eyes He entreateth .647 not in that place of the Histories betvvixte the Emperours Valentinianus Theodosius and Sainte Ambrose He confuteth the opinion of such as thinke the Iurisdiction that Christ gaue vnto his Church to be but for a time vvhilest the Magistrats vvere as yet vnfaithfull and proueth that the Iurisdiction of the Church vvas geuen of Christ to remaine til his second cōming and belongeth only to the Church and not to the Prince .648 Bishop or Priest vvithout special cōmission frō the Churche The vvhiche Ecclesiastical Iurisdiction I comprehended vnder the first kind of cohibitiue Iurisdictiō You do M. Caluin not double but quadruple yea much more vvrong about the citing of his sentence ▪ for as ye haue vntruely reported the circumstance of his sentence so haue you hackte from the beginning thereof one material vvorde part of it you haue obscurely tanslated the other part falsly and by altering his vvords and sense ye haue belied him slaundered the auncient Bisshopes and haue auouched M. Caluin if those vvere his vvordes and meaning vvhich you in your translation Father vppon him directly against your selfe vvhich you meant not for ye thought as I suppose you had so cunningly handeled him that he should haue serued your turne If this your euil dealing vvith M. Caluin proceeded of ignoraunce for that his Latine vvas to fine for your grosse vnderstanding ye are somevvhat to be borne vvithall but if you haue thus dealt of purpose than your malice is ouer great ye shevve your selfe shameles to deale so vnhonestly and that in the sight of al men After that M. Caluin hath proued that our sauiour Christ gaue the discipline of excommunication vnto the Church to be exercised continually by the same to the censure vvhereof all estates ought to submitte thē selues for if he be an Emperour he is vvithin or vnder and not aboue the Church He concludeth vvith this sentēce Quare illi qui vt Magistratum ornent c. VVherefore they which to adorne the Magistrate doe spoile the Church of this power to exercise the discipline of excōmunicatiō do not only corrupt Christs sentēce with a false interpretation but doe also not lightly condemne al the holy Bisshopes which were so many from the Apostles time for so much as they al the holy Bisshopes haue vsurped to them selues the honour and office of the ciuil Magistrate vnder a false pretense or colour The first vvord of the sentence vvhich knitteth the same as a conclusion to that that goeth before ye haue lefte out Hovve darkely ye haue translated the first parte of the periode may appeare by conference of your translation vvith the Authours vvordes The laste parte ye haue falsely translated tourning the Coniunction into a Pronoune relatiue and translating this vvord Magistratus vvherby Caluin meaneth the ciuil Magistrat by these vvordes spiritual gouernement and so haue cleane altered both the vvordes and .649 sense of M. Caluin and yet shame not to belie him saying Iohn Caluin saieth vvhich he saieth .650 not But it is M. Fekenham that saieth and so belieth Caluin and .651 slaundereth the auncient Bishopes as though they for to them this they hath relation had taken vpon them the office of the Magistrate as they had done in dede if al manner correction and iudgement had belonged to the Magistrate and none at al to the Church by vvhose commission they exercised this iurisdiction If this vvere M. Caluines saying as ye translate him that they all the holie Bisshops from the Apostles time haue vsurped and taken vpon them the honour and office of Spiritual gouernement by a false pretext and title made thereof then haue you alleaged M. Caluin against your selfe for this sentence if it vvere true .652 ouerthrovveth your purpose nothing more The .11 Chapter How Iohn Caluine alleaged by M. Fekenham plainly condemneth M. Horns assertion Stapleton IN al this Diuision M. Horne you continue like to your self false and vntrue For first where you tel M. Fekenhā that the collector of his cōmon places
Reader and to make him beleue that Antonius was your Author herein It is not then M. Fekēham but your Maister Ihon Caluin and your self also that condēne al the holy bishops yea S. Paule and the other Apostles to which exercised this iurisdictiō and al other iurisdiction in ecclesiastical matters without any warrant frō the Prince or the Church Namely the blessed bishop S. Ambrose for excommunicating of Theodosius And so al your false accusations wherwith ye charge M. Fekēhā redoūd truly vpō yourself Wher you say that Caluins Latin was to fine for M. Fekenhams grosse vnderstāding what a sine Latin mā your self are I referre the Reader to this your owne booke and to your articles lately set forth at Oxford The places I haue before specified and therfore nedelesse here to be recited againe M. Horne The .173 Diuision pag. 120 b. And againe Iohn Caluin vvriting vpō Amos the Prophet is by you alleged to .653 as litle purpose For be it that thei vvhich attributed to King Hēry of famous memorie so much authoritie vvhich greeued Caluin vvere mē not vvel aduised in so doing and that thei vvere blasphemous that called him the supreme head of the church ye knovv vvho they vvere that first gaue to him that title and authority yet your .654 cōclusiō follovveth not herof Therefore Bishops and priests haue authority to make lavves orders ā◠decrees c. to their flockes and cures no more thā of his former saying Christ gaue to his Church this authoritie to excōmunicat to bind and to lovvse Therfore Bishops and Priestes maie make lavves orders and decrees to theyr flockes and cures Stapleton Caluin saith in plain words It is blasphemy to cal the Prīce of Englād supreme head of the Church He saith also They that so much extolled King Henry at the beginning soothely they wanted dew cōsideratiō This is your second and better Apostle M. Horn that hath brought your first Apostle Luther almost out of conceyte This is he M. Horn whose bookes the sacramentaries esteme as the second ghospel This is he M. Horne that beareth such a sway in your congregation and conuocation now that ye direct al your procedings by his Geneuical instructions and examples This is he whose institutions against Christ and the true diuine religion are in such price with you that there be few of your protestāte fellowe Bisshops that wil admit any man to any cure that hath not reade them or wil not promise to reade them The Catholiks deny your new supremacy the Lutherans also deny it Caluin calleth it blasphemous Howe can then any Catholike man persuade his conscience to take this othe And what say you now at length to this authority M. Horne Mary saith he I say that though it be true yet it will no more followe thereof that Bishops may make lawes orders and decrees then of his former saying that Christ gaue to the Churche authority to excommunicate to binde and to lose In dede ye say truthe for the one it is but a slender argumente The Ciuil Magistrate is heade of the Churche Ergo Bisshoppes may make Lawes and Maister Fekenham was neuer yet so yll aduised and so ouersene as to frame such madde argumentes This argumente cometh fresh and newe hammered out of your owne forge But for the other parte if a man woulde reason thus Bishoppes haue power to binde and to loose Ergo they haue power to make lawes orders and decrees c. he should not reason amisse seing that by the iudgement of the learned vnder the power of binding and loosing the power of making lawes is contayned Which also very reason forceth For who haue more skill to make lawes and orders for directing of mens consciences then such whose whole study and office consisteth in instructing and refourming mens consciences But Maister Fekenham doth not reason so but thus It is blasphemy to call the Prince heade of the Church Ergo Maister Fekenham can not with saufe conscience take the othe of the supremacy and that the Prince is the supreme head Againe the Prince hath no authority or iurisdiction to binde or lose or to excommunicate Ergo M. Fekenham can not be persuaded to swere to that statute that annexeth and vniteth al iurisdiction to the Prince and to swere that the Prince is supreme gouernour in all causes Ecclesiastical These be no childish matters M. Horne Leaue of this your fonde and childishe dealings and make vs a directe answere to the arguments as M. Fekenham proposeth them to you and soyle them well and sufficiently and then finde faulte with him yf ye wil for refusing the othe But then am I sure ye wil not be ouer hastie vpon him but wyll geue him a breathing tyme for this seuē yeres at the least and for your life to For as long as your name is Robert Horne ye shall neuer be able to soyle them Neither thinke you that in matters of suche importance wise men and such as haue the feare of God before their eies wil be carried away from the Catholike faith with such kind of aunsweres The words of Iohn Caluin be manifest and cā not be auoided He saith Erāt blasphemi cū vocarēt ipsum Sūmū caput Ecclesiae sub Christo. They were blasphemous whē they called him he meaneth kinge Henry .8 the Supreme head of the Church vnder Christ. And who were those that Caluin calleth here blasphemous You would M. Horne your Reader should thinke that he meaned the Papistes for you referre that matter to M. Fekenhams knowledge saying to him You knowe who they were caet as though they were of M. Fekenhams friendes that is to say Catholikes as he by Gods grace is And so ful wisely bableth M. Nowel in hys second Reproufe against M. Dorman But that Caluin meaneth herein plainely and out of all doubte the Protestants and his owne dere brethern it is most euidēt by his wordes immediatly folowing which are these Hoc certè fuit nimiū sed tamen sepultum hoc maneat quia peccârunt inconsiderato zelo Suerly this was to much But let it lie buried for that they offended by inconsiderate zele Tel me nowe of good felowship M. Horne were they M. Feckenhams frendes or youres were they Catholikes or Protestants that Caluin here so gently excuseth wishing the matter to be forgottē and attributing it rather to want of dewe consideration and to zele then to willfull malice or sinnefull ignoraunce Euidēt it is he spake of his brethern protestants of Englād and for their sakes he wisheth the matter might be forgotten With the like passion of pity in his commentaries vpō S. Paule to the Corinthians whē he cometh to there words alleaged there of the Apostle Hoc est corpus meum This is my body remembring the ioyly concent of his bretherne about that matter he saith Non recensebo infaelices pugnas quae de sensu istorum verborum Ecclesiam nostro tempore
In the firste Action the Popes letters to the Emperour were reade wherein he condemneth the former Synode vnder Michael and willeth that all the monimentes and recordes thereof be burnte In the beginninge also of this Synode the Emperour Basilius made an Oration to the Synode declarynge wythe what Zeale and loue to the vnytye of God his Churche he hadde called them together exhortinge them in many wordes to concorde and agreement Confessing also that they Potestatem Synodici iudicij diuinitus acceperunt haue receyued from God not by any his commission the power and authoryte to iudge in Synods He addeth farder that though he doubted not but that they were altogether such as zealed the truth and folowed righteousnes yet saieth he to th entent that it may appeare that our Imperial maiesty secundùm datam sibi potestatis mēsuram in ecclesiasticis negotijs nihil tacuisse eorum quae debent atque conueniunt hath not in ecclesiastical matters cōcealed any thinge of that which is dewe and conuenient according to the measure of power geuen vnto her deposcimus religionem vestram c. We beseche your religion or godlynes to ouercome nowe al affection of partialyte and hatred and to resemble as much as is possible the immutable and vnchangeable nature of God who neuer respecteth the person c. In this Oratiō of the Emperour three things I woulde you should note and beare well away M. Horne First that the bishops by his confessiō haue power from God to iudge and determine in Coūcels Their power and Authoryty herein procedeth not of the Princes commission as a supreme gouernour next vnto God aboue the bishops in ecclesiastical matters but frō God him self saieth this Emperour Secōdly that thēmperours power is a limited power not the chief Supreme ād the highest in all maner causes ād thinges Thirdly howe it is limited Forsothe not to commaunde or prescribe to the bisshops what they shall doe decree or determine in ecclesiastical matters but to exhorte them to concorde and vnyty in the same In the seconde Action diuerse of the Photians offering vp their libelles of repentaunce to the Synod not to themperour or his deputyes were by the Synod with impositiō of handes reconciled In the third and fourthe Actions diuers letters were reade as wel of Michael and Basilius Emperours to the Popes Nicolaus and Adrian as also of the Popes to them againe touching the condemnation of Photius intruded by Michael and the restoring agayne of Ignatius In the fifte Action Photius was brought in and the popes letters conteyninge his condemnation reade before him vnto the which the whole Synod cryed Recipimus haec omnia c. We receaue al these thinges bicause they are agreable to reason and to the ecclesiasticall rules and lawes In that action also the Popes legates are called the presidents of the Councell In the sixt Action the Photians appearing agayne and being moued as well of the whole Synod as of the Emperour to repentaunce they yet perseuered obstinately in their schisme Wherupon the Emperour gaue them seuen dayes of deliberation after which time if they were not in the meane while recōciled he bad them appeare againe saying Ventura sexta feria in sancta vniuersali Synodo state omnes quicquid definierit vniuersa Synodus fiet The next Friday be you here present in the holy and vniuersal Synod ād whatsoeuer the vniuersal Synod shal define or cōclude that shal be done where agayne you see the Emperour iudgeth not in the matters then in hand but the Coūcel Yea he saieth plainely that the restoring of Ignatius was not his doing or his deuise But that longe before the most holy and most blessed pope Nicolaus examining the matter thouroughly decreed by Synod that he should be restored to the right of his See agayne and together with the holy Romayn Churche pronounced Anathema to all suche that should resiste that decree and sentence And we knowing this before saieth the Emperour fearinge to haue the iudgement of the Curse promulged Obsecundare Synodico iudicio Romanae ecclesiae necessarium duximus huius rei gratia reddidimus ei proprium thronum We haue thought it necessary to obeye the Synodicall Iudgement of the Churche of Rome and for that cause we haue restored vnto him his owne See Of such Authoryty was the Sentence of the Churche of Rome with the Emperour of the East Churche in those dayes In the same action he saieth yet farder Hoc solum nostrum est si voluerit quis nominare crimina Alia verò omnia Canonibus his quibus imperiū Synodi creditū est tradimus This only is our parte to do if any man will bring forth any crimes or make anye accusation to see it put vp to the Councell c. But all other thinges we leaue to the Canons and to them to whome the Rule of the Synode is cōmitted that is to bishoppes as we hearde him before saie vnto them Thus muche in that Action In the seuenth Action Photius appearinge agayne Marinus one of the legates commaunded his staffe to be taken from him because it was a token of his bisshoplye estate and dignyte In this Action as Cusanus recordeth Bahanis the Emperours Lieutenant had much talke withe the Photyans Hortatoriè by the waye of exhortation mouinge them to vnytie and repentaunce The onely shifte of the Photyans was to say that the legates of the Patriarches there present did not their commission but condemned them cōtrary to the Patriarches own willes and Iudgementes Vpon this the Emperour offred them that whosoeuer would stand by that surmise should by his prouision be sent to the Patriarches them selues as to Rome to Antyoche and to Hierusalem and lerne of them the truthe But they refused to doe so At the length the Emperour seing them obstinat and full of words to no purpose sayed to them Omnes nouimus quòd laici estis non adduximus vos latrare sine ordine facere verba We knowe all that you are but laye men And we brought you not hither to barke and to talke out of order But the Emperour saieth Cusanus called them therefore laye men because they were all ordered of Photius who him selfe was no bisshop Such are you and all your felowes M. Horne no bishops at all but mere laye persons ordered of none at all that was him selfe ordered And whereas one of the Photians Eulapius by name beganne to talke with the Emperour the legates of the See Apostolike sayed Eulapius is condemned and excommunicated of the See Apostolike and therefore the Emperour ought not to talke with him Then the Emperour sayed I haue oftentimes and much desired that they might not perish And therefore I called them hither but if they will not returne to the Church whatsoeuer the Patriarches shall iudge of them they shall will they nill they stande vnto it For no man can reiecte the power that is geuen to
them he meaneth the high bisshops of Christ our God and Sauiour Thus agayne you see Maister Horne howe all the iudgement resteth in the bishops and howe the sentence of the See Apostolike preuayleth and howe buxomely to vse your owne worde and obediently the Emperour yeldeth thereunto not intermedling farder then to procure that all partes may be heard that tumulte may be auoided and that the Iudges for so were the bisshops called in this Actiō may quietly procede to Sētence and last of al that same Sētence may be put in executiō notwithstanding the indurat malice of obstinat heretikes In the .8 Action al the schismatical conuenticles of the Photians are condemned and the recordes thereof burned In that Action also diuers Image breakers came to the Synode and were reconciled That secte also was againe accursed In the last Action the Canons were reade at the Popes Legates commaundement to the number of .27 In the .22 Canon it is decreed that no secular Prince intermedle with the election or choyse of any Patriarche Metropolitane or Bisshop whatsoeuer which also is inserted by Gratian into the decrees Finally the Councel being ended Basilius the Emperour maketh a longe and a notable Oration to the Synod expressing the dewe zeale and dewty of an Emperour in al Synodes and Councels He auoucheth plainly that to secular and laye men Non est datum secundùm Canonem dicendi quicquam penitus de Ecclesiasticis causis opus enim hoc pontificum sacerdotum est It is not graunted by the Rule of the Churche to speake any thinge at al in Councel of Ecclesiasticall matters For this is the worke saith he of Bishops and Priestes And after commēding the bishops for their greate paynes and trauaile in that Councell he speaketh to the laye Nobylyte then present thus De vobis autem Laicis c. But as touching you that are of the lay sorte as wel you that beare offices as that be priuate men I haue no more to say vnto you but that it is not lawfull for you by any meanes to moue talke of Ecclesiasticall matters neither to resiste in any point against the integrity of the Churche or to gaynesaie the vniuersal Synode For to searche and seke out these matters it belongeth to Bisshops and Priests which beare the office of gouernours which haue the power to sanctifie to binde and to loose which haue obtayned the keyes of the Churche and of heauen It belongeth not to vs which ought to be fedde which haue nede to be sanctified to be boūde and to be loosed from bande For of whatsoeuer Religion or wisedome the laye man be yea though he be indewed with all internal vertues as longe as he is a lay man he shal not cease to be called a shepe Againe a bisshop howesoeuer vnreuerent he be and naked of all vertue as longe as he is a bishop and preacheth dewlye the woorde of Truthe he suffereth not the losse of his pastorall vocation and dignitye What then haue we to doe standinge yet in the roome of shepe The Shepheardes haue the power to discusse the subtiltye of woordes and to seke and compasse such thinges as are aboue vs. We must therefore in feare and sincere faith harken vnto them and reuerence their countenances as being the Ministres of Almightye God and bearinge his fourme and not to seke any more then that which belongeth to our degree and vocation Thus farre the Emperour Basilius in the ende and Conclusion of the eight generall Councell and much more in this sense which were here to longe to inserte I blame you not nowe Maister Horne that you so ouerhipped this whole Generall Councell and the doinges of those .ij. Popes Nicolaus and Adrian .2 You sawe perhaps or had hearde say that it made clerely against you And yet as I sayed before apparently you might haue culled out broken narrations for your purpose as well out of this Generall Councell as out of the other .7 But seing you tooke such paynes to note themperors demeanour in the former .7 I thought it a poynte of courtesye Maister Horne to requytte you againe with this one generall Councell for so manye by you alleaged to your verye small purpose as euery indifferent Reader seeth Whether this be not to our purpose I dare make your selfe Iudge And nowe I wonder what shifte you will make to auoyde the Authoritye of this generall Councell or of this Emperour Basilius Well You maye at your good leasure thinke and deuise vppon it I wil nowe returne to your text You saye Martinus the seconde whome other more trulye call Marinus gat into the Papacy by naughtye meanes What maketh that to proue your Supremacye in the laye Magistrat It is noted you saie in the margent of Platina that it was in this Popes tyme that first of all the creation of the Popes was made without the Emperours authoritye You shoulde haue tolde vs withall in what printe of Platina that note is founde I haue sene Platina both of the Collen printe and of the Venyce print sette forthe with the Notes of Onuphrius and yet I finde no suche Note in the margent It is by like the Note of some your brotherhood in some copie printed at Basill And then is it of as good Authoritye as Maister Hornes owne booke is which is God wote but course Whose so euers note it be a false note it is For as of a hundred and ten Bisshoppes of Rome before this Marinus scarse the fourthe parte of them was confirmed of the Emperours so the Emperours before this tyme neuer created Popes but onelye consented to the creation or election made by the clergye and confirmed the same for quyet sake and for the preseruation of vnyty as I haue before shewed Adrians decree that the people of Rome shoulde wayte no more for the Emperours confirmation was no defraudinge of themperours right as you vntrulye reporte but a renewing of the olde liberties and priuileges dewe to the Churche by the order of Canons and Councels and the whiche neuer came to the Emperours but by the Popes owne grauntes and decrees namelye of Adrian the first and Leo .3 as hath before appeared and therefore by them agayne reuocable without iniurye done to the Prince when the weale of the Churche so requyred As it was at this tyme the Frenche Emperours busyed with warres against the Sarracens and not so carefull of the Ecclesiasticall peace vppon respect whereof that Cōfirmation of the Pope was graunted them as were theyr predecessours Which negligence so encreased that in fewe yeares after as we shall anon see they not only lefte of the protection of the See Apostolike but loste also the Empire it being transferred to the Germains in Otho the first whome also some Germayne writers namelye Cusanus do accompte for the first Emperour of the Weste after the decaye and breache of the East Empire M. Horne The .107 Diuision Fol. 67. b. The next