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A27001 The Quakers catechism, or, The Quakers questioned, their questions answered, and both published for the sake of those of them that have not yet sinned unto death and of those ungrounded novices that are most in danger of their seduction / by R[i]chard Baxter. Baxter, Richard, 1615-1691. 1655 (1655) Wing B1363; ESTC R28362 39,590 58

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soul in Scripture because the soul is the most noble part of him 3. I pray mark the Text that you alledge Heb. 13. 17. Obey them that rule over you for they watch for your souls as those that must give account that they may do it with joy and not with grief for that is unprofitable for you Because you have put this Text into my hand I will mix my Answer with these few Queries to you For I suppose you expect no great exactnesse of order from me Qu. 1. Whether many words in Scripture translated Masters {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} c. be not of as low and humble an importance as Rulers And therefore seeing God calleth Ministers the Rulers of the Church are they not so far Masters as the word Master signifieth a Guide or Teacher And why else are they oft called Teachers Qu. 2. If God bid the people obey them as Rulers and the Quakers perswade them to abhorre and reject them as dogs Serpents and Sons of perdition which is to be obeyed God or the Quakers and whether is it the Spirit of God or of the devil and Antichrist that the Quakers speak by Qu. 3. Is it the Ministers or the Quakers that watch for the good of souls and have the rule over them Q. 4. If the present Pastors of the Churches be not true Ministers speak out and tell us who are and where we shall finde them and where they have been from Christs time till now Or whether Christ hath been so carelesse of his Church and so unfaithfull of his promise as to leave his Church without Pastors from the Apostles daies till now And to leave all the world without true Pastors even till now except the Congregations of the Quakers in England Q 5. According to this Text whether will it be to the peoples profit or disprofit to despise and discourage their teachers and guides and make them do their office with sighing and grief and will they have in the end a better bargain of it to hearken to their Rulers or to the despisers of them Consider well of these things 4. I proceed in my Answer to your Qu. That which hath captivated your souls is the devil by sin The understanding by blindenesse and errour your hearts by pride and hardnesse your wils by transporting passions and perversenesse and so your lives by open wickednesse Imitating your Leader and going up and down like raging beasts night and day seeking whom you may deceive and devour And against all your rage it is our duty to wait patiently in meeknesse instructing such as oppose themselves if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil who are taken captive by him at his will 2 Tim. 2. 24 25 26. 5. The Death that passed on all is The Separation of the foul from the body and of Gods special favour or grace from both and the guilt of everlasting misery for sin 6. The Serpents head is the Devils power and policy when such as you are vanquished by the light and your folly made known to all and when the Kingdom of Satan in sin and darknesse is overthrown then his head is bruised as Christ in his own person gave it the great bruise on earth in the vanquishing of Satans temptations in the perfect holinesse of his life in his Miracles casting out devils and in his triumphant death and Resurrection and afterward in the successe of his doctrine Your 18. Qu. is What is the flaming Sword that keeps the Tree of life and what the Cherubims Ans. 2 Tim. 2. 2. But foolish and unlearned Questions avoid knowing that they do gender strifes and the Servant of the Lord must not strive You intrude into those things which you have not seen vainly puft up by your fleshly minde Col. 2. 18. It shall suffice me to know that the flaming sword is Gods terrible restraint and the Cherubims are Angelical Executioners of his will Wisedom hath two Gates the Gate of Grace and the Gate of Glory These things are seen by faith now and by intuitive intellection in the life to come Your 19. Qu. is Whether they that stand praying in the Synagogues or Idols Temples and love greetings in the markets and bindes heavy burthens on the people and are called of men Master be not out of Christs Doctrine Ans. Because this is all that you go about to prove me a false Prophet by I shall say the more to your satisfaction 1. If our Temples be Christs Temples do they not blasphemously make Christ an Idoll that call them Idols Temples 2. If you are not wilfully blinde you may perceive that it is not all the external actions mentioned Mat. 23. that Christ condemneth but the pride and hypocrisie which the Pharisees manifested in them Mark first that he bids men even hear the hypocriticall Scribes and Pharisees and observe and do what they bid men observe and do because they sate in Moses chair It is not therefore all the faults there charged on them that will acquit men from observation of their doctrine Is this agreeable to your practise who damn men that despise not and reject not Christs most upright and faithful Ministers Their sin is laid down in the 5ht verse All their works they do to be seen of men Prove this of us if you can Because they were proud They loved the uppermost rooms at Feasts and chief seats in the Synagogues Prove this by us if you can I had rather have a lower room at a Feast then a higher and ordinarily rather none then either I use not the chief Seats in Synagogues I sit in the midst of the Assembly and so I may conveniently be heard when I am to speak I care not where I stand Greetings in the market-place when did I desire Or to be called Rabbi But I pray you mark that it is not using but loving the uppermost rooms that Christ condemneth else no man must sit uppermost and then we must have none but round Tables or not fit at all So consequently it is not being called Rabbi or Master that Christ intendeth but a proud desire of and love to those Titles As a man may accept of the highest room for Order that loveth it not in Pride so may he accept of the Title of Master from those that owe him respect though he love it not in pride Besides I pray you note that Christ forbiddeth the Name of Master no further then he forbiddeth the Name of Father vers 9. Call no man your Father upon earth And yet do you not know how oft the word Father is owned in Scripture and children commanded to love and obey their Fathers and honour them I know the highest of your Sect do forbid the owning of any such Relations or Names as Fathers Children Husband Wife Master Servant Magistrate Subject and they forbid all affections to
which it replied to and yet so farre belived those that bad that he owned his Name at it Having received in your first Letters almost nothing but some Sheets of Thou Serpent Viper thou Childe of the Devil thou Son of perdition thou dumb dog thou false hireling thou false Liar Deceiver greedy dog thou ravening Wolf thou cursed hypocrite with much more of the like I returned you no Reply as confessing my self not so well skilled in that language and learning as you are And for the dunghil-heaps of false accusations annexed I passe them by as being well known to be impudent slanders Such as my upholding acoursed Prelatical Government false worship c. for which you dare say the vengance of the Lord is against me while you instance only one word of a Paper of mine wherein I moved that men be restrained from preaching against the Essentials or Foundamentals of Christianity which one of you tels me is a restraining men from speaking any more in Christs name and a persecuting Christs Ministers we may see what Christianity and Christs Ministers are in your account who take it for such damnable enmity to Christ for a man to be restrained from Preaching that there is no Christ or from reproaching him I doe not think if I had desired that men should be restrained from calling you damnable Hereticks or the Bastards of the Papists that you would have been so froward as to have said that herein I was your Enemy Nor do I think you would have taken it for any dangerous restraint to the Liberty of their Consciences But Christ will deal justly with you though you deal unjustly with him and his When your Praters were here I desired to know the further ground of all these heavy accusations that must prove me a childe of the devil a greedy dumb dog a Son of perdition with all the rest And I could have no proof of all but this That I was called Master That I stood in a high place to preach and that I studied and that I preached by an hour-glasse and so would limit the Spirit if I had it and that I took money for Tythes False doctrine and worship I was charged with in general but not one word of instance in any particular that I can remember To these charges I shall give you some account anon When I had received your 24 Queries I sent you my Answer that if you would but subscribe your consent that I should come to your meeting and answer them all by word of mouth without disturbance and you would receive what was made plain to your selves to be the Truth I was willing to come over to that end This motion you detest and reject with a Sheet of further Revilings in the same-language as the first were I hope you will not take it ill if I reply not in that grinning or barking Rhetorick For if I be a dumb dog you cannot expect that I should equal you in snarling or barking or howling But have you not bewraied your deceitfulnesse in refusing to consent that I should come and answer your Questions Do not you shew by this that you are children of the Darkenesse and the Works of darknesse you are carrying on When you hate the Light because your Deeds are Evil Why would you send me Queries which you would not give me leave to answer by Speech What was it that you feared But in stead of this you charge and command me in the Name of the most high God to answer them in writing that you may publish them with your Reply if need be But when I desired to see the Commission by which you claim this Authority you shew me none but tell me It is invisible And may not all the world command me on these terms as well as you In stead of admitting me to answer in your Congregation some of you came over taking a time when the Lord had shut me up by sicknesse and could not go to the publique meeting to make a disturbance in our Assembly Mar. 25. and to try your Rhetorick on the mindes of People in this place whereupon it pleased the Magistrate to binde one of you to the good behaviour for the publique Disturbance and railing at the Magistrate And upon this you send another paper with an outcry against us as persecutors when you might know that I was not concerned in the businesse and when indeed no man did so much as once ask my advice in it But as for them that did it I dare no more accuse them of persecution then I dare accuse them for persecution who shall burn a Thief in the hand Alas what impatient soules are you to cry out so much of persecution when many a poor-scold is duck in the Gumble-stool for words more incomparably sweet and Lamb-like then yours I shall now come to say somewhat to your Papers and first give you a word of my reason why I may not answer them so punctually in order and word by word as you command me to do 1. Because I dare not be guilty of losing so much precious time 2. Because I have much more profitable work to do though you accuse me for Idlenesse because I do not dig or thresh when yet your Praters when they were here did neither dig nor thresh any more then I nor do I hear that they do elsewhere as they follow their seducing imployment 3. Because you have heapt up non-sence vain repetitions and confusions so as to answer you accordingly would be of small use to any and would but prove me to be like your selves Many more Reasons I overpasse There is not a scold in all the Countrey but may as honestly and reasonably command me in the Name of God to come and scold with them in the Market-place as you may Command me thus to answer your scurrilous scolding Papers Yet you shall have no Cause to complain that I have overpassed any thing that 's worthy to be regarded YOur first Query is What 's the first Principle of the pure Religion To which I answer 1. That God is and next that he is a Rewarder of them that diligently seek him Heb. 11. 6. 2. Do you ask this as Learners No that you renounce Or as Teachers Why then do you not shew your Commission to teach And why do you not plainly Teach but ask Questions Or do you ask it for matter to feed your prating and slandring Your second Query is Whether they are a Church of Christ that beat and persecute them that witnesse forth the Truth in his Name c. Answ. Doubtlesse it 's possible for a true Church to be guilty of injuries But you have as little cause to put this Question as the Turk hath What would you answer if a Iew or a Turk or a Witch should put this Question Is it a true Church that persecuteth them that witnesse the truth Surely it 's nothing to you who witnesse abominable falshoods and dreames 2.
such Relations or honour or respect But if you were not hypocrites you would plainly speak this out and then people would better understand you when you tail as Ministers for-being called Masters But for the sake of those among you that are not past recovery I will tell you that which it seemeth you know not The Pharisees had their severall Schools Sects as the Philosohpers had and every one gloried in his Disciples and those Disciples in their own Sect-masters One cried up such a man and another such a man insomuch as sometimes the followers of these several Sect-masters would fall together by the ears and kill each other in the Temple and in the streets while they contended for their Masters honours And look what faith the Master was of the Scholars must all be of his faith They must take their belief on trust from him These leading men that were the Masters of their Schools and sects whom none must contradict were called by the Jews Rabbi's and Fathers as the Papists now call their Bishop The Pope which signifieth A Father because as children must be wholly ruled by the Fathers so would the Pharisees have their Disciples to be by them be the matter right or wrong Just thus do the Papists require that the people beleeve as the Church beleeves that is the Pope and his Consistory whatever it be and tell us that they are infallible as being guided by the infallible Spirit and therefore we must believe them by an implicit faith Now the Lord Jesus meeteth with these Pharisees and commandeth his disciples That they call no man on earth Father or Rabbi or Master as the Pharisees were called that is To have no such absolute Master of your Religion or Lord of your faith because we have all one such Absolute Father which is God and one such absolute Master which is Christ This is the very same thing that Paul meant when he chides them for saying I am of Paul and I am of Apollo as if Christ were divided or Paul had been crucified for them 1 Cor. 1. 13. And it 's the same thing that Peter means 1 Pet. 5. 1 2 3. where he giveth Ministers the honourable Title of Elders and Overseers and Pastors and bids them oversee and feed the flock of God but yet forbids them doing it as Lords over Gods heritage because the heritage is Gods and Christ is the chief Shepherd Paul cals a Bishop the Steward of God Tit. 1. 7. One that must rule the Church 1 Tim. 1. 4 5. and 5. 17. and saith He that desires the Office of a Bishop desires a good work 1 Tim. 3. 1. But yet he would not have them taken for absolute Masters of Christs School but as Christs ushers and as Stewards in his House Let a man so account of us as the Ministers of Christ and Stewards of the mysteries of God 1 Cor. 4. 1. neither more nor lesse There are divers words in the Greek tongue which the Gospel was wrote in which we translate by one word Master but if our language be more scarce of words then the Greek it doth not follow that Christs words are all one The word here used in Matthew is {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} and elsewhere {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} which is as much as the chief Leader of the way or the Sect-master What if this be forbidden is all Mastership therefore forbidden because this one is The word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} is translated Master too and sometime a Teacher I pray you consider here your most ignorant and sottish dealing The Gospel was not written by the Apostles in English but in Greek Because one word signifieth a Teacher and a Master such as a Schoolmaster is and our Translators sometime translate it a Teacher and sometime a Master you impudently cry out that one of them is not Scripture and yet yield that the other is When in the Greek they are the same word as you may see it used in Eph. 4. 11. Luk. 2. 46. 1 Tim. 2. 7. 2 Tim. 1. 11. Acts 13. 1. 1 Cor. 12. 28. Mat. 10. 24. Luk. 6. 40. Heb. 5. 12. Iam. 3. 1. In all which places the holy Ghost useth the word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} though we English it sometime Masters sometime Teachers and sometime Doctors yet it is all one word in the language that the Scripture was written in and therefore Scripture alloweth one as much as another And if you will stick to the English you may finde the word Master used oft enough And if it be lawfull for another man why not for a Minister Tit. 2. 9. 1 Pet. 2 18. 1 Tim. 6. 1 2. Col. 3. 22. and 4. 1. Eph. 6. 5 9. Though the word {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} {non-Roman} signifieth such a Mastership as Ministers of Christ will not own as Ministers though over their hired Servants they may own it It may be you think Paul crossed Christs rule and was a false Prophet because he cals himself a wise Master-builder 1 Cor. 3. 10. Or do you think that the holy Ghost did erre when he called Teachers The Masters of the Assemblies Eccl. 12. 11. That the Spirit is no enemy to Titles of honour you may see in 1 Pet. 3. 6. where Sarah is commended for obeying Abraham and calling him Lord And Act. 26. 25. Paul calleth Festus Most Noble Festus and calleth Agrippa King Agrippa Act. 26. 2 26 27. And Rom. 12. 10. We are commanded In honour to prefer one another So that it 's one mans duty to give those Titles which another may not ambitiously seek For my part I will gladly make this agreement with you I will never wish any man to call me Master nor be displeased with any that doth not on that account if this will satisfie you But then I confesse I dare not condemn them that use so much civility or respect because Gods Word is of more esteem with me then your most confident fancies and reproaches By this time me thinks I may well take leave to salute you with this Query Whether that man be not void of the fear of God and given over to a seared Conscience that dare go up and down to rail against the most faithfull and painfull Ministers of Christ whom they are not able to charge with any crime but humane frailties and that because they are called Masters and all this upon meer sottish ignorance of the Scripture that so commonly useth and alloweth the Title All that I could get to all this from your Prater Tho. Goodier that was here was but this I deny thy Greek and Hebrew if the Scripture be truly translated which is but to say I deny the words of Christ and the Apostles For ●●e translating there are many words in the Original Language which have not so many and apt in English to expresse them by Translating excludeth not the necessity of explicating And