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A76085 The second part of that book call'd Independency not Gods ordinance: or the post-script, discovering the uncharitable dealing of the Independents towards their Christian brethren, with the jugglings of many of their pastors and ministers, to the misleading of the poor people to the detriment of their own souls, and the hurt both of church and state, with the danger of novelties in religion; proving that Independency, is one of the most dangerous sects, that ever appeared in the world, since mortality inhabited the earth. In the which also there is a satisfactory answer given to the principall cavils of him that writ that railing pamphlet, stil'd The falshood of Mr Will. Prynnes Triumphing in the antiquity of popish princes and parliaments. With Doctor Bastvvicks just defence against some calumnies in way of preface. / By John Bastvvick, Dr in Physick.; Independency not Gods ordinance. Part 2 Bastwick, John, 1593-1654. 1645 (1645) Wing B1069; Thomason E287_9; ESTC R200091 93,218 111

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them lyes resist the Spirit of God for the Lord has againe and againe commanded all his people to shun such men as in Tim. 1. chap. 6. vers 5. From such saith Saint Paul to Timothy and in him to all Ministers and people in all ages to the end of the world withdraw thy selfe Now if an Evangelist so learned a man so well grounded a preacher as Timothy was to withdraw himselfo from all such as taught otherwise than Paul Christ himself the other Apostles had taught how much more now ought all Christians that come so far short and are so inferiour to Timothy for all indowments and graces of knowledge to beware and take heed of all such as bring in their new-born truths their new-Lights and all their new wayes when especially we are commanded to enquire for the old and good way which will indeed bring rest unto our souls Jer. 6. And to omit innumerable places to this purpose that of Saint Iohn in his second Epistle to the Elect Lady should ever be in our memory where Saint Iohn in expresse words forbids that Lady and her family and in them all other Christians To receive any that bring not the doctrine of Iesus Christ into their houses or bid them God-speed and gives a reason of this his prohibition For saith he he that bids him God-speed is partaker of his evill deeds Now all these new doctrines are not the doctrines of Jesus Christ and therefore whosoever bringeth them ought not to be received into our families nor their doctrines into our hearts no more then stolen goods into our houses and closets for God hath both forbid it and set down the danger that will ensue upon it for by that means we make our selves equally guilty and partakers with them in their evill and therefore all such as shall still notwithstanding whatsoever God hath spake unto us by his holy Prophets and Apostles follow those new teachers and those new truths by their so doing in conclusion they will be found fighters against God and partake with them in all those punishments the Lord hath threatned against all such as will be led about with every wind of Doctrine which will be the ruin of themselves and others and if people will be disobedient and obstinately go on to make Schisms and rents slighting Gods threats and menaces and cast his word behind their backs then it belongeth unto all Magistrates Ministers Fathers and Masters of Families that are Christians for I speake not of such as are without the pale of the Church seeing what already these new Sects have with all their Art and cunning invented contrived and with unwearied paines and ungodly policy brought forth into the world that the Magistrates are counted intollerable to the people wives are taken from the bosomes of their husbands or so alienated from them as they repute the● a burthen unto them the Husbands from the Wife Children from their Parents and Patents from their children and the Servants from their Masters and Mistresses Friends from Friends the Ministers from the people and the flocks from their Pastors and that all the lawes of God and Nature by these means are violated I say in all these regards it is high time if they will prevent those evils that are comming upon the Land by these fractions and divisions now to quit themselves like men not caring for all the reviling languages of Seducers who yet never spake well of any but of their own party for it is against the nature of Sectaries to give any a good word but their own complices and therefore it concernes them all to goe about the work as men of courage and in the fear of God And truly if men think it as it is indeed an unsufferable thing to tolerate those Men-stealers who they call Spirits or a new generation of Fayries to seduce and carry away their children and servants then much more it is an unsufferable thing to tolerate those that steale away not only the bodies of men and children from Magistrates Ministers Parents Masters and Mistresses Friends c. but their very hearts and affections and are no better in so doing then a company of spirituall Plunderers and are to be looked on as so many enemies of the Church and kingdome Neither is there any breach of charity in speaking truth with love and an unfained desire of their reformation for if they be not reformed nor their New-lights extinguished and put out they will in short time dim and darken the truth it selfe and provoke the Lord to give us all over to error because we imbraced not the truth in the love of it 2 Thess 2. But I must confesse I look upon many of the Independent Ministers as the most dangerous Sect that ever yet the world produced in respect of the consequences of their doctrines and the sad effects they have brought forth already wheresoever they have spread it For they carry themselves more cunningly then any other Schismaticks or Hereticks that ever yet appeared since mortality inhabited the World For all other Sectaries tenents are recorded in all the severall Councels and in the Monuments of the ancient Writers so that every man knowes their opinions and doctrines but what these men hold besides their whimsey of Independency and the manner of their gathering of Churches wherein they doe not all agree neither no man knoweth nor never shall know for they intend to set up many other New-lights but yet with a reserve never to be constant to any thing what they either say or write for this I have received from the mouthes of their Disciples and followers That if that which seemeth a truth to them to day do to morrow appear otherwise by some new light were it any Article of the faith and they be convinced by that light that they were in an error before they are to relinquish their former tenent whatsoever it were and to follow that new light that God hath appeared to them in And this doctrine is taught by all the Independents I ever saw or heard of Yea they count it a great honour unto them to be thus uncertaine in their opinions as we may see in a rayling and rediculous Pamphlet not only against Mr. Prynne but against the Parliament lately set out by an Independent call'd The falshood of M. William Prynnes Truth Triumphing where pag. 16. Sect. 2. in these words You accuse the Independents saith he as believing most things with a reserve according to their present light with a liberty of changing as new-lights shall be discovered unto them but did ever man so overshoot himselfe saith he certainly this is so high a character of the Independents compleatest posture ensuing or growing stature in the Schoole of Christ as could be applyed unto them wherein they glory not a little and place it as the only ground work and foundation without which they cannot grow in grace from one degree of faith to another untill