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A62873 Saints no smiters, or, Smiting civil powers not the work of saints being a treatise, shewing the doctrine and atempts of Quinto-Monarchians, or, Fifth-Monarchy-Men about smiting powers, to be damnable and antichristian / by John Tombes ... Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1664 (1664) Wing T1816; ESTC R6979 110,523 126

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benefit in the event as it is said Rom. 8. 28. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to purpose The Saints shall inherit all things but they must overcome first Revel 21. 7. By the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their Testimony not loving their lives unto the death Revel 12. 11. No where is there a promise of the rights and priviledges of civil Government to the Saints on earth 5. If the holy scripture makes it an ill character of a man and an accursed condition to have his treasure on earth his portion in this life his good things here to be his danger and an ill foreboding sign to be rich that the desire and care of these things intangle and insnare men choke the word of God that it becomes unfruitful then sure they have not regained the rights and priviledges in respect of Government in the second Adam But the former is true as is manifest in these Scriptures Matth. 6. 19 20 24 25. and 13. 22. Mark 10. 22 23 24. Psal. 17. 14. Luke 6. 24 25. and 16. 25. 1 Tim. 6. 9 10. therefore also the later and therefore we may more truly say that the men who make this claim do indeed unsaint themselves 6. If it be Gods design to have for the most part the holy Saints to be of the meanest sort then sure they have not regained the rights and priviledges in respect of civil government and possessions in this life But the former is true as appears by these Scriptures 1 Cor. 1. 26 27 28 29. You see your Calling Brethren how that not many wise men after the flesh not many mighty not many noble are called But God hath chosen the foolish things of the World to confound the things that are mighty and base things of the world and things which are despised hath God chosen and things which are not to bring to nought things which are that no flesh should glory in his presence Jam. 2. 5. Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith and Heirs of that Kingdom which God hath promised to them that love him Therefore the Saints regain not priviledges of government in this life If the Saints and Princes of this world are often distinguished then Saints as such have not regained the rights and priviledges in respect of government in this life But they are so distinguished 1 Cor. 2 6 8. Therefore the Consequent is right 8. If Saints receive that Kingdom which cannot be shaken then their interest is not in the Kingdoms of this world that come to nought 1 Cor. 2. 6. But the former is true Heb. 12. 28. Therefore also is the later 9. If Christ have made the Saints Kings and Priests to his Father not to men a royal Priesthood to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God by Jesus Christ then that which Christ hath effected for the Saints is not the gaining of the rights and priviledges in respect of civil government But the former is true Rev. 1. 6. and 5. 10. 1 Pet. 2. 5. 9. therefore also the later is true 10. If the Saints be exceeded in wisdom and power fit for civil government by the men of this world then sure Christ did not regain for them the rights and priviledges in respect of civil government in this world For sure if he had gained the end he would have provided and ordered the means as is done by him in respect of the inheritance of the Kingdom of Heaven or eternal life But the antecedent is true as appears by our Saviours words Luk. 16. 8. the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light and all experience in all ages which shews how few of them are fit for managing of civil government therefore the rights and priviledges in respect of civil government in this life are not provided for them 11. If the rights and priviledges in respect of civil government were gained for the Saints then doubtlesse Christ would have directed them in the way and means to have attained them but that he hath no where done but left all Nations to their own constitutions and waies of government therefore Christ hath not gained for the Saints the right to civil government 12. If the rights and priviledges in respect of civil government were gained by Christ for the Saints then they that are not Saints are not Governors of right then no King is rightly a King no Master rightly a Master no Husband rightly a Husband or Father rightly a Father or Tutor rightly a Tutor but a Saint But this is false as hath been shewed abundantly before the Scripture acknowledging yea the Quinto-Monarchians themselves acknowledging even the powers that were the Emperors of Rome though bloudy Persecutors of the Saints the Ordinance of God therefore Government civil is not the Saints right and priviledge 13. If the Saints had regained by Christ the rights and priviledges in respect of Government then they had right to require Tribute and service of men and consequently what they impose is due to them and then they should not be guilty of unrighteousness theft purloining though they took from infidel masters or other unbelievers But the Scriptures make believers or Saints culpable for extortion theft purloining covetousness defrauding as well as others 1 Cor. 5. 11. Ephes. 4. 28. 1 Thes. 4. 6. 2 Thes. 3. 6. 10. 12 Tit. 2. 10. therefore they have not the rights and priviledges in respect of Government 14. If the Saints have regained the priviledges and rights in respect of civil government in Christ then either as Saints or under some other consideration if under some other consideration then it is not by reason of their sanctity or their interest in Christ if as Saints then all Saints have these rights of Government and if so a child that is a Saint a Wife a Servant over an infidel Father Husband Master which would invert all order and make voyd all the precepts of obeying Parents Ephes. 6. 1. submitting to Husbands Eph. 5. 22. obedience to Masters Eph. 6. 5. all which are grosly absurd making void the commandments of God for human traditions 15. If the Saints have the rights and priviledges in respect of government regained in Christ then either Saints by profession or real only not the former for such are hypocrites children of Hell more than others and therefore Christ hath purchased nothing for them by his death or intercession not the later for then rights and priviledges in respect of government should be a nemo scit a thing which no man can judge of but he who can search the heart and try the reigns but rights and priviledges in respect of Government are things necessary to be known that we may know to whom we are bound to be subject to pay tribute to address our selves to for justice and other ends and uses of Empire 16.
Power and Authority given by Satan was to speak great things and Blasphemies and to make War with the Saints And again of the two Horned Beast v. 12. It is said that he exerciseth all the Power 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of the first Beast before him and causeth the earth and them that dwel therein to worship the first Beast whose deadly wound was healed which cannot be understood of legal Power such as we are required to be subject to but such wicked and unrighteous Power as is used in requiring adoration of Idols and urging it either by meer force without any Law or by devellish Acts to entice men thereto Which was in the Roman Heathen Emperors from Satan who is said to cast the Christians into Prison Revel 2. 10. by stirring up the Pagan Emperors and their subordinate Rulers to do it and yet their Civil Power as is confessed was the Ordinance of God 6. It is supposed that then when the Powers of the great Image or old Rome became a mixt Antichristian estate and not before they became the Ordinance of Hell to which there is no Subjection due But they do not tell us when this was nor can tell And is it not then blind fury that hurries men to such frantick determinations as to date the relaxation of so plain a precept as that Rom. 13. 1. is from such a time as they know not when it begins and to infer thence a warrant for some supposing themselves Saints upon no better evidence than their conceit of Gods Revelation of this by his Spirit from his word to attempt the smiting of all the Powers of the great Image Civil and Ecclesiastical whose derivation is from Rome others not excepted nor freed the Kingdoms of the Romish Iron Legs or the Roman Kingdom divided into the Eastern and Western Monarchies wherein the whole Dominion Power and Monarchy of the Ottoman Family or that of the Turkes is comprehended and the Beasts ten Horns or Antichrists Civil Powers equivalent to the ten Toes and also the little Horn together with all powers whatsoever that shall be found opposers of the Lords Kingdom whether they be of the golden Babylonish Silver Persian Brasen Grecian or Iron Roman Dan. 2. and ch 7. Revel 13. Comprehending the whole Kingdom of Antichrist in the Civil and Ecclesiastical parts thereof made up of persons and things though they grant that some of these were the Ordinance of God to whom every soul was to be subject and those only to cease to be to whom the Dragon gives his Power Revel 13. 2. which who they are and when this Power was given by the Dragon they are not able to give any assurance of 7. It is supposed that the Civil Powers now even in this Nation are a mixt Antichristian state and that their Power is from the Dragon since this mixture though not before But with what colour can they make those powers Antichristian who do maintain the faith of Christ To have their Power from Rome who have denied obedience to the Bishop of Rome To be a mixt Antichristian state who cause their subjects to abjure the Popes Supremacy To have their power from the Dragon who do by their Lawes the Execution of them pull down the worship of Idols and punish with death Diabolical Arts Quarrels perhaps are against the Kings Supremacy over Ecclesiastical persons and in Ecclesiastical causes as if it made a mixt Antichristian state so as that what is denied to the Pope is given to the King But this objection was so fully answered by Dr. John Rainold in his conference with Hart the Jesuite in the Tower ch 10. that Hart himself was satisfied that it was not so Perhaps some others imagin that in the making of Bishops there is an adulterating of the pure Civil power and an Antichristian mixture of Civil and Ecclesiastical power but this also is but a mistake that which is meerly Ecclesiastical therein being left to Ecclesiastiques to do Yet were it granted there were some mixture of Civil and Ecclesiastical power that this should make the Civil powers Antichristian is without all reason affirmed Were the Fathers of the Family or the first-born sons both Rulers Oeconomical and Priests to offer sacrifice Melchizedec a King and a Priest David a King and a Prophet therefore Antichristian will they count all preachers who are masters and parents and husbands by reason of this conjunction of these different functions in their persons therefore Antichrian Are not or have not there been many of them who perhaps have been of the fraternity of the Quinto-Monarchians themselves who have had commands in the Army and yet have been Preachers yea taken upon them to be Elders in the Churches and to have had ordination by laying on of hands who yet have not been judged by reason of this mixture Antichristian Are not then these men very partial who condemn that in one which they do not in another conniving at if not approving that in such as favour their party which they do count inveigh against as a most heinous crime deserving extermination in them that side not with them Much more abominable is it that they should impute that power by which peace is kept justice is done humane society is preserved to the Dragon and not see it to be from the Devil that they stir up hatred in the world and practise murthering of innocent men yea of those who are by God made Rulers over them whom they should obey assist and defend 8. It is supposed that the mixture of Civil powers by them imagined makes them who otherwise had been the Ordinance of God to be the Ordinance of Hell and their power from the Dragon though promoting Idolatry and persecuting Christianity by the Roman Ethnick Emperors did not make void their being the Ordinance of God nor the duty of Christians Subjection to them As if the shedding of the blood of the Saints and setting up Idols were not more from Satan and more inconsistent with Civil powers than an usurpation of an Ecclesiastick office or Uzziahs presumption to burn incense God would not have David build him a Temple because he had shed blood not because he was as it is likely Author of fetching the Ark to him in a Cart he and all Israel attended the carrying of it playing before the Lord on all manner of instruments Sure this Doctrine smells rank of Pharisaism to break the Commandments of God for mens traditions to disanul the duty of Subjects to their Civil Parents because of some supposed inordinate mixture Yea is not this the very venom of Antichristian Papal listing up of themselves above all that is called God not only to excommunicate and depose Emperors for simony as the Popes termed it because they gave Bishops investiture into their Bishopricks or for Heresy or favouring hereticks in not destroying them but also to proclaim War against them and attempt to kill them by reason of mixture or
not have received a burnt offering and a meat offering at our hands neither would he have shewed us all these things nor would as at this time have told us such things as these Judges 13. 23. which shewes that the chief thing animating them to that bloody attempt was the opinion they had that their determinations were of God and that they were assured of help from him which was the very thing that Thomas Muncer and Hacket and such like unquiet spirits were of Satan incited by and ended in nothing but blasphemy of God and reproach of Religion 2. Their abuse of scriptures wrested by unstable and unlearned persons to their destruction arguing from obscure passages against plain precepts doth aggravate their evil acts it being no small evil to make the holy scriptures which are for humility meekness patience trust in God peaceableness an instrument to commotions disobedience to superiors shedding blood such like horrid wickedness So in the Banner desp●ayed p. 19. Mal. 3. 3. Rev. 14. 4 5. are alledged to prove the Stone Dan. 2. 34 35. is Christ Jesus in the pure sanctified and refined Gentile Christians when the former speaks of the Sons of Levi and the other mentions the 144000. who it is likely are the same with 144000. Revel 7. 4. Sealed of all the Tribes of Israel and p. 59. the words of the Prophet Jerem. 51. 19 20 21 22 23. spoken either of Cyrus or the King of Babel are alleged to prove that the Lord hath elected and made choice of Zion his people to act in this work and service of smiting civil powers unto whom he saith thus thou art my Battle-Axe and Weapon of War So extremely are they deceived and deceive others 3. Which is the worse in them in that they urge their notions as matters of their faith when yet they use conjectural expressions p. 40. Probable conjecture p. 41. seems to favour p. 42. we do not ascertain or determin only suppose p. 44. This our opinion p. 48. we may probably conclude p. 55. humbly conceive about them and sometimes vent inconsistencies as that the stone is Christ and yet the Gentile Saints the Jewes excluded though they shall be the stone when made a Mountain with many more uncertainties about the stone the little Horn Dan. 7. and other things too tedious to be insisted on 4. To these we may add the uncharitable conceits of their Governors their Revilings of them their unquietness in separating from those that concur not with them their contention and ejection from their society such as do oppose them in their heady and violent practises all which shew that they are animated by the infernal spirit and not from above and in all likelihood have received their opinions and practises from Jesuites and Emissaries of Rome who have crept into societies of zealous Christians and sown their tares among them The Tenents about civil powers being too near of kin to one another § 15. The claim which Quinto-Monarchians make to Civil government on earth in the Saints afore Christs coming is false HAving shewed the sinfulness of smiting civil powers the vanity of the conceits about the Stone Dan. 2. 34 35. the falsity of the notions about the fifth-Monarchy I shall now examin their assertions about the Saints right to the Kingdom on earth before Christs coming about which are held many false and pernicious positions which I shall now discuss The first is that before cited by me sect 2. in these words The creature man was priviledged with being Lord over inferior creatures but not over his own kind for all men being alike priviledged by birth so all men were to enjoy the creatures alike without propriety one more than another Which position is manifestly false even concerning the state of nature uncorrupt For even then the man was the head of the woman as the Apostle asserts 1 Cor. 11. 3. and proves v. 8. 9. from the womans creation For the man is not of the woman but the woman of the man neither was the man created for the woman but the woman for the man which plainly proves a dominion and propriety of the man over and in the woman who is of his own kind and the contrary Doctrine would infer not only polygamy but also community of Wives which was the very Doctrine of the Nicolaitanes of which Christ saith in two Epistles Rev. 2. 6. 15. which thing I bate The same also may be said concerning Father and child even in nature uncorrupt if there had been any child born in that state they would not have been all alike priviledged by birth but the creature man was priviledged with being Lord over his own kind nor were all men to enjoy the creatures alike without propriety but one more than another the Father being priviledged by birth above his child so as to be Lord over his child and enjoy him with propriety and not another his child nor he anothers nor is it to be conceived but that in Goods Cattel and Fruits of the earth there would have been propriety in them so as that the Wife was to be at the Husbands disposing and allowance concerning them and the child at the Fathers 2. The second which is the Quinto-Monarchians opinion cited Sect. 2. is that all men as they are men have lost their rights and priviledges in respect of Government in the first Adam Which is false For 1. Our Lord Christ in the point of divorce doth determin that divorces allowed by the Jewes were not right because they agreed not with the law of marriage in the beginning Matth. 19. 4 5 6. which argument of our Lord rests on this proposition that what law was made in the beginning was in force still and consequently the right of Government which a Husband had above his Wife a Father above his Child continue still 2. If all rights and priviledges in respect of Government in the first Adam were lost then they are still lost to them that are not in Christ which if it were true all unbelievers would be usurpers But this is false For 1. the government of Husbands over Wives remains to infidels the Author to the Hebrewes ch 13. 4. tels us that marriage is honourable in all therefore in infidels If not then the Apostle 1 Cor. 7. 13. did not rightly determine that the woman which had a husband that believed not if he were pleased to dwell with her was not to put him away or leave him which supposeth that the right and power of a husband remained in him though an infidel for where the bond of marriage continues the right and priviledge in Government belonging to it still continues The same also is to be said concerning the right priviledge of a parent in respect of the child it remains as well to infidels as believers and also Masters over servants For even such as were evil or froward from whom they were likely to suffer yet the Apostle 1 Peter 3.