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A10341	A replye answering a defence of the sermon, preached at the consecration of the bishop of Bathe and Welles, by George Downame, Doctor of Divinitye In defence of an answere to the foresayd sermon imprinted anno 1609	Sheerwood, Rihcard, attributed name.	1614 (1614)	STC 20620; ESTC S113712	509,992	580

and after him Simon to that Bishoprick because they were our Saviours kinsmen according to the flesh For certainly they had learned better of their Lord and Maister when he preferred his spiriti●all kindred before his carnall c. Ye have heard the Refuter now listen to Mr Doctor and weigh the answer Thus is he able saith he as it were with a breath to blow away these worthy Sect. 4. ad sect S. p. 60 Authors c. What is this but a slanderous scoffe for all men may see the Refut indeavoured to salve their credit as farre as the love of the truth would permit him neyther concealed he the reasons that lead him so to censure them as he did yet as if he had yeelded no reason of his censure the Doctor asketh why vnsavoury why carnall and assayeth by reasons of his owne to wype away those imputations 1. was it not saith he a speciall honour for one among the Apostles without that traveile and wandring wherevnto the rest were subiect to be set over the Mother Church of Christendome and to be the Apostle of that people c. In the Apostleship of the circumcision Peter and Iohn were joyned with him Gal. 2. 9. and herein if any had preheminence or precedence before the rest it was Peter verse 7. But since by Iames his Apostleship of that people the D. meaneth his supposed Bishoprick at Ierusalem I statly deny that this gave him any precedence in honor before his fellow Apostles And I have often shewed that the prerogatives of that Church and people could not convey unto their Bishop any such prehenminēce sect 7. and 18. neere to the end of each that he assumeth more then he can prove in affirming him to be wholly exempted from that traveile which the rest indured See sect 10. I now adde that his residence at Ierusalem gave him onely some more ease but not greater glorie nay the lesse if Doctor Bilsons third interpretation of the Apostles words 1. Tim. 5. 17. be as he saith they are cōfonant to the words and intent of the Apostles viz. that those Ministers which labour in the word that is to say traveile to and fro to visite and confirme the Churches are in honour to be preferred before resident Pastors I might ask the Doctor whether it be the greater honour to haue the commission that the reverend Iudges have which traveile from one shre to an other to execute their office or without such traveile to be the Major of some one towne or citie But since he urgeth the same reason for Iames that Bellarmin doth for Peter he shall haue the same answere that Doctor Whitakers de Pont. Rom. quest 2. ca. 9. sect 10. pag. 255 yeeldeth him Imo Pauli videtur multo honorificentius fuisse munus Latior enim Pauli provincia Et Christi regnum erat brevi Iudaeis auferendum c. By this time I hope the Refuter may have his discharge frō wronging Clemens in saying his speach was vnsavoury Yet is it much more unsavoury and absurd if that reading be received which many excellent divines doe approve Non sibi vendicabat primatus gloriam sed Iacobum qui dicitur Iustus episcopon apostoloon apostolorum episcopum statuerunt They challenge not to themselves the glorie of the primacie but chose Iames the Iust to be the Bishop of the Apostles See Calvin and Marlor in Act. 15. 13. Cent. 2. col 193. Catalog test verit in fol. col 89. And if D. Sutcliffe a great freind of the prelacie be not deceived de pontif lib. 2. cap. 1. pag. 67. 68. this reading is to be preferred Sed exemplaria saith he et graeca et latina habent Apostelorum quibus potius fidendum est quam Parisiensibus aut Vaticanis Et cont extus Eusebij pro nobis facit Eus●bio enim propositum erat Iacobi prerogativas dicere preterea primatus gloria ipsi tributa maius quiddam quam vnius vrbis episcopatum subinsinuat But although the Doct. give Iames a precedence in honour and for order above the rest of the Apostles and that in respect of his Bishoprick yet he is loath as it seemeth to allow him this title the Bishop of the Apostles Perhaps he conceiveth that it had bene arrogancie to receive it though offred unto him and that it would have advanced him to an higher degree of Ministerie which he truely denieth to agree with him seing there was none higher then the Apostleship But I would faine knowe how he can deny him an higher degree of Ministerie if that precedence in honour which he ascribeth to him above his fellow-Apostles arose from an other function that is his Bishoprick which he alone injoyed for I hope he will grant the functions of an Apostle of a Bishop to be different degrees And I suppose he knoweth that among differing degrees as Deacons or Presbyters c. the precedence of honour groweth from the higher degree and not from the lower But perhaps he dreameth that Iames his Bishprick at Ierusalem though a degree inferiour to the Apostleship set him notwithstandinge in an higher place of honour above other Apostles even as at Rome the title of a Cardinall presbyter or Deacon given to a Bishop though in it self it be a degree inferiour to the episcopal function doth yet advance him in dignity and honour above all other Bishops But this dreame sureth much better with Cardinall Bellarmin then with D. D. profession and so I leave it Touching the next imputation the Doctor asketh whether they Sect. 5. were not bound in respect of that love and reverence which they did owe to Christ topreferre his neere kinsmen according to the flesh being at the least equall with others and addeth that it is certeyne that Iames for his admirable piety was wonderfully honoured c. Of this admirable piety who doubteth But wil that prove him to be every way equal in all spiritual graces The Apostle Iohn hath this title given him in holy writ The Disciple whom Iesus loved Iohn 13. 23. and 20. 2. 21. 20 24. since the ground of his love was not kindred in the flesh ought we not to judge it was some preheminence in true piety or some other spirituall grace It is cōmon saying and a true Invidia virtutis comes est Envie is the companion of vertue Wherefore seing the envie and malice both of Herod and the rest of the Iewes seazed upon that other Iames the brother of Iohn Act. 12. 2. 3. that he became the first Martyr among the Apostles as Steven was among the Deacons Actes 6. and 7. is it not probable that some preheminent grace occasioned their malice to breake forth into such extremitie S. Peter who was at the same time imprisoned like as he was before cap. 4. 3. 8. hath many titles of preheminence given him by the Fathers which our owne divines Sutcl de pont lib. 2. cap. 7. p. 123. Whit. de pont quest 2.

were tainted with partiall humors And though he professed he would not take upon him to speake so hardly yet the Doctor will needs have his reader beleeve that the Refuter sought to discredite all historians in generall by the mentioning of that speach Therefore to free his owne witnesses from all suspition in this case he saith the most learned Bishop truely noted what might be obiected against the historians of later times But if the Doctor uprightly weigh the intent scope of that learned Bishop he may perhaps discerne that Eusebius his ancientest witnes is not without the compasse of those stories which he speaketh of And if he in his learning judged it for that reason more safe to rely upon the authenticall records of the Conncels Fathers that were eye and eare-witnesses of the thinges which he urgeth had not the Refuter as good reason to desire also to see Iames his ordination justified by the testimonie of S. Luke or some other Apostolike man that lived in that age 2. But Eusebius as the D. supposeth is free from that imputation and much more Hegesippus Clemens And is not Ierom as free as any other belike the Doctor hath him in suspition though he be all in all in the evidence that he produceth as appeareth serm pa. 66. and 69. As for Eusebius how free soever the Doctor judgeth him in this case his testimonie standing him in good stead I suppose he wil not discharge him of that crime of framing matters to his own conceit in applying that which Philo wrote of the Iewish Essees to Christian Monks lib. 2. Hist eccles cap. 17. whereof the reader may see Reynodes and Harts Conf. cap. 8. divis 2. pag. 488. and 492. 3. Neither is it a cavill as Mr D. in his quarrelling spirite is pleased to censure it to say that those Fathers Euseb Ierom c. finding the name of Bishop continued in the successiō of one Pastor after an other iudged of those that first governed those Churches according to them that lived in their times For if they speake not improperly which the Doct. will not admit for then he must yeeld himself to have played the sophister what else should move them to ascribe unto Peter the place of a Bishop at Rome and that for 25. yeares cōtinuance see Euseb in Chron. and Ierom de script eccles in Petro unlesse the Doctor had rather say of them as one of great reading doth of Eusebius in this point D. Reynolds Conf. with Hart. cap. 6. divis 3. pag. 260 viz. that the same befell them which Thucidides Hist lib. 1. saith of the old stories of the Graeciās Men receive reports of things done before their time from hand to hand one frō an other abasanistons without examining trying of thē So som through a desire as it is likely of honouring the sees of Antioche and Rome and hearing that S. Peter had preached in them both devised that he sate 7. yeares in the one and 25. in the other Eusebius fell upon it and wrote it in his Chronicle but if he had tried it by the touchstone of the scripture he would have cast it off as counteryfeyt Thus saith Doctor Reynolds of that matter in like manner we may say without any wrong to Eusebius since we have before disproved by good warrant from the scripture that report of his concerning Iames his continuance for 30. yeares the Bishop of Ierusalem that his desire to magnify that See among others made him also too c●edulous in countenancing those speaches of Egesippus and Clemens which by due examination might have bene found unworthy of any credit For what probabilitie is there in Egesippus his tale apud Euseb Sect. 3. lib. 2. cap. 22. concerning Iames that he was a Nazarite from his mothers wombe and never drunk wine to grave the tale he should have excepted the times of partaking in the sacrament of the Lords supper Moreover that he absteyned from eating of flesh from shaving his head and from annointing his body with oyle who would not take him by this description for a patterne of Monkish perfection rather then of the episcopall function specially seing it is added he was wont to enter alone into the temple and spent there dayly so much time in prayer that his knees Cameli instar tuberculis contractis obduruerunt Belike he forgat his Maisters doctrine Mat. 6. 6. Ioh. 4. 21. But the best is yet behind Huic vni licebat in sancta sanctorum ingredi c he only had libertie to enter into the most holy place for he used not any woollen garments but onely lynnen if this be true then as he joyned a Bishoprick to his Apostleship so he had the high-preisthood vnited to his Bishoprick unlesse we may think the use of lynnen garmēts to be a lawfull dispensation for any man that was no Preist to usurp the high-priests office in entring into the most holy place 2. Now to come unto Clemens how fabulous I might say blasphemous is that which Eusebius lib. 2. cap. 1. reporteth out of him that Christ after his resurrection gave knowledge unto Iames the iust to Iohn and Peter and they delivered the same to the rest of the Apostles For this tale is flatt repugnant as Doctor Reynolds obserserveth Conf. cap. 3. divis 2. p. 163 to the word of truth wherein we read that knowledge the holy Ghost was given by Christ to all the Apostles joyntly See we Luk. 24. 45. Iohn 14. 26. and 16. 13. Act. 2. 4. and 4. 31. 2. Moreover in this fable he contradicteth himselfe like as lyars are wont to doe forgetting what he had said before to wit that it was an other Iames not Iames the just unto whom togither with Peter and Iohn Christ gave preheminence above the rest of the Apostles 3. And since wee are now in hand with the reputation of Clemens and Egesippus the first reporters of Iames his Bishoprick from whom eyther at the first or secōd hand the rest of the witnesses have received their warrant it shall not be amisse hither to drawe the examination of the Doctors defence pag. 60. of their credit against the moderate censure of the Refut answ pag. 133. How unsavorie a speach saith he is that of Clement recorded by Eusebius lib. 2. cap. 1. that Peter Iames and Iohn would not arrogate to themselves that glorie to have the Bishoprick of Ierusalem but chose Iames the Iust unto it Why was it a greater glorie then their Apostleship or can there be any lawfull calling in the Church too high for them whom Christ vouchsafeth to make his Apostles yea cheefe among the Apostles Such speaches as this in the Fathers are like black wenns in a faire body that have more need of a cover for excuse then of setting out for commendation The like may be sayd of those he calleth good Authors Eusebius and Egesippus who alleadge so carnall a respect of the Apostles in preferring Iames