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A16571	All the examinacions of the constante martir of God M. Iohn Bradforde before the Lorde Chauncellour, B. of Winchester the B. of London, [and] other co[m]missioners: whervnto ar annexed, his priuate talk [and] conflictes in prison after his condemnacion, with the Archbishop of york, the B. of Chichester, Alfonsus, and King Philips confessour, two Spanishe freers, and sundry others. With his modest learned and godly answeres. Anno. Domini 1561	Bradford, John, 1510?-1555.	1561 (1561)	STC 3477; ESTC S116578	60,488	240

Pōcius Pilate w t the Prelates ar gathered together against thee Christ to do y e which thy hande counsell hath before ordained thē to do Here began the lord Chācelor to read y e excōmunicaciō in y e excōmunicaciō when he came to y e name of Bradford laicus lay mā Why ꝙ he ar you no priest No ꝙ Bradford nor neuer was eyther priest eyther beneficed either maried either any precher afore publike auctoritie had established religion but preached after publike auctoritie had established religiō yet ꝙ he I am thus handled at your handes but god I doubt not will geue his blessing where you curse so he fel doun on his knees hartely thāked god y t he coūted him worthy to suffer for his sake so praide god to geue thē repentance a good mind After the excommunicacion was red he was deliuered to the sheriffes of London and so had to the clinke from thence to the coūter in the pultry where he remaineth close without al company bokes paper penne or ynke loking for the dissolucion of his bodye in y e which god grant to hym hys sweete mercye throughe Christe oure Lorde Amen The some of the priuate talke had with maister Io. Bradford sithen the .29 daie of Ianuarie by suche as the Prelats haue sent vnto him AFter my firste arraygnement in the churche of Saincte Marie Oueris the .29 daye of Ianuarie aboute ▪ foure of the clocke in the euenynge there came into the reuestrye whither I was had after my arraigmente and taried there al daye a gentleman called Maister Thomas Hussey of Linclonshiere whiche was ones an officer in the Duke of Norfolkes house to inquire for one Stonīg and when it was aunswered hym by the vnder Marshalles officers of the kinges benche which were there with Doctour Taylour and me that there was none suche he came forthwith into the house toke acquaintaunce of me sainge further that he woulde come and speake with me in y e morninge for old acquaintance sake for I was at muttrel iorney a pay master in whiche he was and had often receiued money at my hādes Now in the morninge about vii of the cloke he came into the chamber wher in I laye and beinge alone with me and set downe he began a longe talke howe that of loue olde acquayntance he came vnto me to speake vnto me that which he would further vtter the effecte wherof was that I did so wonderfully quod he behaue my selfe before the lorde Chauncelour the other Bishoppes the other daye that euen the verieste enemies I had did see howe that they had no matter againste me therefore aduised me as thoughe it came of his own good wil without making anye other man priuie or aanye other procuringe hym as he said that I would this daye for quoth he anone you shall be called before them again desire therfore tyme men to conferre with al. By reason wherof he thought that al men would thinke a wonderfull wysedome grauitie and goodnes in me by this meane I shuld escape the daūger whiche is nearer thē you be ware of ꝙ he But I aunswered breiflie said that I coulde not nor woulde not make any such requeste for then quod I occasiō should I giue to the people and to all other that I stode in doubting of the doctrine the which thing I told hym I did not but thereof was moste assured and therefore I would giue no such offence As we were thus talkinge the Chamber dore was vnloked and who should come in at the dore but one doctour Seyton when he saw maister Hussey what syr quoth he are you come before me yea thought I goeth the matter thus and he tolde me no man knew of hys cōming Wel Lord quoth I to my selfe giue me grace to remember thy lesson Cauere ab hominibus istis beware of those mē c. cast not your pearles before doges for I see these men become to hunte the matter y t the one maye beare witnesse with the other This doctor Seyton after some bye talke of my age of my Countrie and such like he began a long sermō of my lord of Cāterburye maister Latymer maister Redley and howe at Oxford they where not able to aunswere any thinge at al and therfore my lord of Caunterburye desired to conferre wyth the Byshoppe of Duresme and others All whiche talke tended to this ende that I should make y e like sute beinge in nothinge to be compared in learninge to my Lorde of Caūterburye whiche thinge is moste true But I breiflye aunsuered as before I did to maister Hussey wherwith they were neither of thē both cōtented and therefore they vsed many persuasions and Maister doctor said how that he had herd muche good talke of me tellinge how that yesternight maister Rūcorne had made reporte of me at my lorde Chauncelours table at supper howe that I was able to persuade as much as any that he knewe And I my selfe quoth he though I neuer herd you preache nor to my knowledge neuer sawe you before yesterdaie yet my thought your modestie was such your behauour and talke so without malice and impacientye that I wolde be sorye you should doo woursse then my selfe and I tell you quoth he further I doo perceaue that my Lorde Chauncelor hath a fauour toward you wherfore be not obstinate but desire respite and sew to some lerned men to confer with all but still I kepe me to my Cokoo I coulde not nor wold not so offend gods people I stode in no wauering but was moste certeyne of the doctrine I had taught Here master Doctor waxed hote and called me arrogaunte prowde vayne glorious and spake like a Prelate hauing no other aunswere of me but that he should beware of iudging lest he cōdempned him selfe Howbeit this would not serue but still he vrged me showing howe merciful my Lorde Chauncellor was and how charitablye they intertained me Vnto which wordes I briefly showed him that I neuer foūd anye iustice muche lesse charitie I speake it for my parte quoth he in my Lord Chauncellor And so showed howe I hade ben in Prison howe I had ben handled and howe they had no matter now aageinst me but such as they shold haue by myn own confession But nothing of this talke moued maister doctor who went from matter to matter from this poynt to that poynte and I gaue hym stil the hearnige and aunswered not bycause he came to haue had somthing whereby my Lord Chauncellor mighte haue had semed to haue kepte me in prison not causeles When al their talke toke no such effecte as they wold loked for maister Hussey began to aske me whether I would not admyte conference if my lord Chauncelor shoulde offre it me publicklye to whom I aunswered this in effect that conferēce if it had ben offred before the lawe had bene made or cōference if it were offred so

that I might be at libertie to conferre and as free as he with whome I should conferre then quoth I it were some thing but els I see not to what purpose cōference should be offered but to deferre y t whiche will come at the length and the lyngering may giue more offence then do good Hhowbeit quoth I if my Lord should make suche an offre of his owne ▪ voluntarines I will not refuse to conferre withe whome so euer shall come Maister doctor hearing this called me arrogant still proud and what so euer pleased hym so that I besought them both because I perceaued by them I should shortely be called for to gyue me leaue to talke with God to begge wisedome and grace of hym for quoth I otherwise I am helpelesse And so they with muche a doo departed And I went to god and made my pore praier acordingly which of his goodnes he did graciouslie accepte and did helpe me in my neade praysed therfore be his holyename Shortely after they were gone I was had to saint Marie oueris and there taried vncalled for till xi of the clocke that is till Maister Saunders was excommunicated Vpon the .3 of Februarie the Byshoppe of London came to the Counter in the pultrie to disgrad Maister Doctor Taylor about one of the clocke at after noone but before he spake to Maister Tailour I was called forth vnto him when he sawe me of went hys cappe out stretched he his hāde and on this sort he spake to me that bycause he perceaued I was desyrous to conferre withe some lerned man therfore he had broughte maister Archedeacone Harpsfeld to me and quoth he I tell you you doo like a wise man but I praye you goe roundlye to worke for the tyme is but short my Lorde quoth I as roundelyl as I can I wyll go to woorke with you I neuer desired to conferre with anye man nor yet doo howbeit if you will haue anye to talke with me I am redy to heare and aunswere hym What quoth my Lord of London in a fume to the keper did not you tell me that this man desired conference No my Lorde quoth he I tolde you that he wold not refuse to cōferre with any but I did not shewe to anye that it was his desire well quoth my Lord of London maister Bradforde you are welbeloued I pray you consider your self and refuse not charitie when it is offered In dede my Lord quoth I this is finale charitte to condemne a man as you haue condempned me whiche neuer brake the lawes In Turckie a man may haue tought free but in England I cold not fynd it for I am condempned for my faith so sone as I vttered it at your requeste before I had cōmitted any thing againste the lawes As for conference I am not afrayed quoth I to talke with whome you will but to saye that I desire to conferre that do I not Well well quoth my Lorde of London and so called for maister Taylor and I went my waye Vpon the 4. of Februarie came one of my lord Chaūcellors gentlemen sent as he said frō my lord as then being come frō the court Thys was about .8 of the clocke the eueninge The effecte ende of his talke message was that my Lorde his maister did loue me well and therefore he offered me tyme to conferre if I woulde desire it but as I had aunswered others in this matter so I aunswered him that I wold neuer make that sute but quoth I to cōferre with any I will neuer refuse bycause I am certaine and able I thancke god to defend by godlye learning my faith Thus with much a doo we shoke hands and departed he to his maister and I to my pryson Vpon the 7. of Februarie came one maister Wollerton a Chapplaine to the Bishoppe of Lōdon to conferre with me Who when he perceaued that I desired not his comming beinge as one most certain of my doctrine And therfore wished rather his departing thē abiding well maister Bradford quoth he yet I pray you let vs conferre a litle perchance you may do me good if I can dooe you none Vpon whiche wordes I was content to talke He spake muche of the doctors and fathers of the bread in the .6 chapiter of Iohn And so wolde proue transubstātiation howe that wicked mē do receiue Christs bodie And I on the contrarie parte improued his aucthours with much by talke betwixte vs bothe and the keper who toke his parte litle to y e purpose Sūma to this issue we came that he should draw out of the scriptures and doctours his reasōs And I wold peruse them and if I could not aunswere thē I would giue place And so I desired him to do my reasons which I woulde make and so departed for that daye The next day following in the morning he sent me halfe a shete of paper written on bothe sides with no resons how he gathered his doctrine but onlye the bare sentence Panis quem ego dabo The bread whiche I wil giue is my fleshe And the places in the 26. of Matth. 14. of Marke .22 of Luke the .10 and .11 to the Corinth with some sentences of the doctors all which made as much against him as with hym al only one of Theophilactꝰ except in the after nowne he came himself and then we had a longe bablynge to none effecte and at the lenght he came to the church and how that I shwarued frō the churche Na ▪ quoth I that doo I not but you do for y e church is Christs spouse and Christes obedient spouse as ▪ your church is not which robbeth the people of the Lordes Cuppe of seruice in the English tonge Why quoth he it is not profitable to haue the seruice in Englishe and so he brought forth this sentence to proue it Labia Sacerdotis custodiant legem The lipes of the priestes should kepe the law and out of his mouth mē must loke for knowledge Why quoth I should not the people thē haue the scriptures wherfore serueth this of Christe searche the scriptures This quoth he was not spoken to the people but to the Scribes learned men wel quoth I then the people must not haue the scriptures whiche he affirmed bringinge fourth this E● erunt docti a deo They shalbe all taught of God But must we quoth I lerne all at the priestes yea quoth he well then said I I see you would bringe the people to hange vppe Christ and let Barrabas goo as the priestes thē did perswade the people A which wordes he was so offēded that he had no luste to talke any more Summa I gaue hym the reasons I had gathered against transubstantiacion and prayed hym to frame his in the frame of reasons and I woulde aunswere them well quoth he I wil do so but first I wil answere yours The whiche thing he hath not done hitherto nor wil not for I

a presence I semeth quoth my Lorde of Chichester that you haue not red Chrysostome for he poīteth it Of truth my lord quoth I hitherto I haue ben kepte well ynough withoute bokes howbeit this I remember of Chrisostome that he lyeth vppon the altar as the Seraphins do touch our lips with y e coules of the altar in heauen whiche is an Hiperbolicall locucion as you knowe Chrisostome floweth with them It is to euident quoth my lord of yorke that you are gon to farre but let vs come againe to y e churche out of the whiche you are excommunicated I am not quoth I my lord Although they whiche seme to be in the churche and of the churche haue excommuninicate me as the pore blind man was Ihon .9 I hope Christ receueth me you deceaue your selfe ꝙ he and here muche was spoken of excommunicacion At the laste I said my Lorde I pray you beare with me that whiche I shall simplye speake before you Assuredly quoth I as I thinck you did well to departe from the Romishe churche so I thincke you haue done wickedly to couple vs to it againe for you can neuer proue it which you make the mother Churche to be christes churche Oh maister Bradford quoth my lorde of Chichester you were but a childe when this matter began I was a yonge man then cōming from the vniuersitie went with the woorlde but I tell you it was alwaies agaīst my stomack ▪ I was but a child then quoth I ▪ how be it as I told you I thincke you haue done euill for nowe we are come to the wicked mā which sitteth in the Temple of god ▪ that is in the churche for it cannot be vnderstād of the Mahumet or any out of the churche but of suche as beare rule in the church ▪ See quoth my lord of yorke howe you builde your faith vpō such places of scripture as are moste obscure to deceaue your selfe as thoughe you were in the church where you are not Well my lorde quoth I thoughe I might by your frutes iudge of you and others yet will not I vtterly condempne you for euer oute of the churche for perchaunce you sinne of ignoraunce ▪ if I were in your case I thincke not quoth I that I should not cōdēpne him vtterly y t is of my faith in the Sacrament knowinge as you know that at y e least .viii. C. yeres after Christs as my lord of Durisme writteth It was free to beleue or not to beleue transubstātiatiō This is a toye quoth he that you haue found out of your owne brayne as thoughe a man not beleuing as the churche doth That is transubstantiacion were of the Churche he is an hereticke and so none of the churche quoth my lord of Chichester that dothe hold any doctrine againste the definition of the Churche as nowe you do hold against transubstan●●atiō And he brought furth Ciprian whiche was no Hereticke thoughe he beleued rebaptizinge of them whiche were baptized of heretickes bicause he held it before the churche had defined it where as if he had holden it after then had he ben an hereticke Oh my lord quod I wil you condempne to the deuil any man that beleueth truely the .12 article of y e faith wherein I take the vnitie of Christes churche to consiste al thoughe in some pointes he beleue not the definitions of that whiche you cal the churche If I shall speake to you franckelye I doubte not but he y t holdeth syncerlye the articles of oure belefe thought in other thinges he dissent from your definitions yet he shalbe saued yea quod they both this is your doctrine No quoth I it is Paule whiche saith that if they hold the foundacion Christe thoughe they build vppon hym Hey strawe and stouble yet they shalbe saued Lord god quoth my lord of yorke howe you delite to leyne to so hard and darke places of scripture yea quoth my Lord of Chichester I will shewe you howe that Luther doth excommunicate zwinglius for this matter so red a place of Luther making for his purpose My lord quoth I what Luther writteth as you muche passe not of so do I in this case my faith is not build of Luther zwinglius or Ecolampadius in this point And in dede to tel you truelye I neuer red anye of their woorkes in this matter As for their persons what so euer theire sayinges were yet doo I thincke assuredly that they were and are gods children and sainctes with him Wel quoth my lord of yorke you are out of the cōmunion of y e church I am not quoth I. For it cōsisteth is in faith Loo quoth he howe you make your churche inuisible that would haue the comunion of it to consiste in faithe yea and like your grace quoth I for to haue cōmuniō with y e churche neadeth not visiblenesse of it cōmunion consisteth as I said in faith and not in exforior ceremonies as appeareth both by Paule whiche woulde haue Vnam fidem by Ireneus to Victor for y e obseruaciō of Ester saing that Dissonantiam ieiunii should not Rumpere consonantiam fide That same place quoth my lord of chichester hath often euen wounded my cōscience because we disceuered our selfes frō the Sea of Rome Wel quoth I God forgeue you for I thincke you haue done euyll to bringe England thyther againe your honors know I am plain therfore I beseche you beare with me Here my Lord of yorke toke a boke of paper of common places out of his bosome and red a peice of Saint Augustine Contra Epistolam fundamenti howe that there were many thinges that did hold saint Augustine in the bosome of the church consent of people and natiōs aucthoritie cōfirmed with miracles nourished with hope increased wyth charitie established with ātiquitie Besides this there holdethe me in the churche saith saint Augustine stil the successions of priestes from Peters seate vntil this present Bishoppe Last of all the verye name of Catholicke doctrine dothe holde me Loo quoth he howe saye you to this of Saint Augustine point● me oute your churche thus My Lord quoth I this of saint Augustine maketh as muche for me as for you althoughe I might aunswere that al these if they had ben alledged to bee so firme as you make them they might haue ben alledged againste Christ and his Apostles for ther was the lawe and ceremonies consented in by the people confirmed with miracles antiquitie and continual succession of byshoppes frō Aarons tyme vntil that present In good faith quod my lord of Chichester maister Bradford you marke to muche the state of the churche before Christs comming Sir quod I therein I do but as Peter teacheth .2 Pet. 2. and Paule verye oftē you would gladly haue your church heare verye glorious and as a most pleasante Ladie but as a moste pleasante ladye but as Christes saith Beatus est quicunque non fuerit offensus per me so maye his churche saye blessed

are they that are not offended at me yea quoth I my lord you thinck none is of the church but such as suffer persecutiō what I thincke quod I god knoweth I pray your grace iudge me by anye wordes and speaking and marke what Paule saythe Omnes qui volunt all that wil liue godly in christ Iesu must suffer persecutions Sometime Christ church hath reste here but commonlye quoth I it is not so And specially towardes the end her forme wil be more vnsemlye But what saye you to sainct Augustin quoth he where is youre Churche that hath the consent of people nations Mary quod I al people natiōs y t be gods people haue cōsented with me I w t them in the doctrine of faith Loo quoth he howe you goo about to shifte of all thinges No my lord quoth I I meane simplye and so speake god knoweth S. Augustī quoth he dooth here talke of successiō euen frō Peters sea yea like your grace ꝙ I that sea thē was nothīg so much corrupt as it is now Wel quod he you alwaies iudge y e church No my lord quod I. As christs shep discerne christs voice but they iudged not it so they discerne the churche but not iudge her yes that you do sath he● No like your grace quoth I ful wel may a mā doubte of y e Romish church for she obaeth not Christs voice as christs true church doth wherin quod he ī latē seruis ꝙ I robbeth the Laytye of Christes cuppe in the Sacramentes Why quoth my lord of Chichester Latten seruice was in England when the Pope was gon True quoth I tyme was when the Pope was awaye but not all Poperie as in Kyng Henrys dayes Latten seruice quoth my lord of yorke was appointed to be songe had in y e Queare where only were Clerici that is such as vnderstād laten y e people sitting in y e bodie of y e churche prayinge their owne priuat prayers and this quoth he maye well be yet sene by making of the Chaunsell and Quere so as the people could not come in or heare them yea qut my lorde quoth I both in Chrisostomes tyme and also in the laten churche in sainct Ieromes tyme as he writteth in the preface I trowe to the Galathians al the church saith Amen Aunswering againe mightely Amen whereby we maye see that y e prayers were made that both the people herd them and vnderstod them you are to blame quoth my Lorde of Chichester to saye that the churche robbeth the people of the Cup. Well my lord quod I turne it as please you all men knowe that the Laitye hath none of it In dede ꝙ I I would wishe the churche would defyne againe that they might haue it for my ꝑt if god make free quoth I who cā define to make bound generallie Well quoth my lord of yorke maister Bradford we lese but labour for you seke to put awaye al thīgs y t be told you to your good your churche no man can knowe yes that you maye well quoth I. I pray you whereby said he forsoth Chrisostome shoeth it Tantummodo per scripturas onely by the scriptures and thus speaketh he verye often times togyther as you well knowe quod I ▪ In ded quod he that is of Chrisostome In opere imperfecto whiche maye be doubted of the thinge whereby the church may be knowen beste is successiō of Byshoppes No my lord quod I Lyra ful well writteth vppon Matthew that Ecclesia non consistit in hominibus ratione Potestatis secularis aut ecclesiastice Sedin hominibus in quibus est noti●ia Vera et confessio Fidei et veritatis And in Hilarius time you know he writteth to Auxcentius that the Churche dyd rather Delitescere in cauernis them Eminere in primariis sedibus Here commeth one of their seruauntes and tolde them that my lorde of Durisme taried for them at Maister yorkes house for inded it was paste .12 of the clocke vppon a .4 howres they taryed with me And after that there mā was come they put vp there written bokes of common places and saide they lamented my case and so wishing me to red ouer a boke whiche dyd doctor Crome good as my Lorde of Chichester sayde and wyshyng me good in words they wente there wayes and I to my prison Vppon mondaye whiche was the .22 of Februarie about .8 of y e clock in y e morning which was an howre soner then was appointed There came to the Coūter where I was in prison to Spannishe friers Alphonsus and the kings Confeffor as they said and with them twoo priestes whiche were Englishe men as I wene when the howse was voyded of other companye I was called donne beinge come before them a stoole was pouled out and I bidden sit doune whiche thinge I did after a signe of ciuilitie geuen to them Nowe thus sitting beginneth the Confessor to speake in latten and aske me in latten for al our talke was in latten whether I had not sene nor herd of one Alphonsus y t had writen against heresies And I aunswered that I did not know him well quoth he this man pointing to Alphonsꝰ is he Verye good quoth I. After this he beginneth to tell me howe that of loue and charitie by the meanes of the Erle of Darbye they come to me bycause I desired to conferre with them And I answered that I neuer desired there cōming nor to conferre with them or any other but quoth I seing you are come of charitie as you saye I cannot but thanckfully acknowledge it and as for conference though I desire it not yet quoth I I wyl not refuse to talke with you if you will Than began Alphonsus to tel me that it were requisite I did pray vnto god that I mighte followe the direction of gods spirite and as he should enspire me not being addicte to min owne selfe will and with where vpō I made a prayer besaught god to directe al our wille words and workes as the willes words and workes of his children for euer yea quoth Alphonsus you muste praye with your herte For if you speake but with tong onely God will not giue you his grace Sir quoth I. doo not iudge leste you be iudged you haue hearde my wordes now charitie would haue you to leaue the iudgement of the hart to god you must quoth Alphonsus be as it were a newter not wedded to your sentence But as one standinge in doubte praye and beleue be redye to receaue what god shall inspire for quoth he in vaine laboureth our tong to speake els Sir quoth I my sentence if you meane it for Religion must not be in a doubting or vncertein as I thācke god it is not euen for that where in I am condēpned I haue no cause to doubt but rather to be most certein of it therfor I pray god to confirme me more in it for it is his truthe And therfore