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A77397 Anabaptism, the true fountaine of Independency, Brownisme, [double brace] Antinomy, Familisme, and the most of the other errours, which for the time doe trouble the Church of England, unsealed. Also the questions of pædobaptisme and dipping handled from Scripture. In a second part of the Disswasive from the errors of the time. / By Robert Baillie minister at Glasgow. Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662.; Baillie, Robert, 1599-1662. Dissuasive from the errours of the time. 1647 (1647) Wing B452A; Thomason E369_9; ESTC R38567 187,930 235

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reconciliation of the King with his Parliament impossible I confesse I am cast into so thick a mist that all appearance of peace for a very long time to any of the Kingdomes The zealous diligence of Ministers might doe much to remove the other h●lf doth quite evanish and flee out of the reach of my weak apprehension For curing of the miseries and preventing of the dangers on the other hand I could wish as I was speaking at the beginning that all whom God has called to any employment in his house would shake off sluggish negligence and keep stricter watch in their stations giving loud warning to the people of God of the dangers about them being very carefull that neither fear nor despair nor any other sinistrous affection keep them from the duties which the extreamly bad times doe cry for from the hand of every child of God I have oft been witnesse with much joy to the abundant zeal of divers the Lords faithfull Ministers both in the Assembly and City who in their Writings and Sermons and private sedulity have endeavoured to their power the awakening of all about them for the defence of that truth which Christ had committed to their trust So that I am sure that when ever they shall come to their accounts their Master will accept and blesse their fidelity I wish no more of them but to runne on as they have begun without fainting that no man take their crown Nor of others but to follow with the like zeal in their footsteps And for the encouraging of all towards this active diligence we may call to remembrance but two vulgar motives The sedulous activity of the Sectaries doth shame our slothfulnesse example and successe the one of our adversaries the other in our own and our brethrens experience How many of the Sectaries make bold without any fear any fainting any ceasing in season and out of season by preaching printing disputing in all places all companies towards all relations to propagate their erroneous ways How shall their heat and activity in evill stand up against us for our frigidity for our unequall care and labour in good Also Zealous diligence is ordinarily successefull our own experience of very great successe from small endeavours when cordially put on may animate us to a greater diligence How oft have the prayers and consultations of a few gracious and wise brethren set on foot advanced and brought to an issue many happy purposes the fruits whereof this age doe begin to enjoy for which the posterity shall blesse the authors though they never heard of their names How many most dangerous designs which were in a readinesse to have much encreased the miseries both of Church and State by the labours of a few unseen men have been timeously prevented countermined and totally defeated How oft have the City yea both the Houses of Parliament upon the zealous and prudent motion of one only man been stirred up to very notable performances I doe not remember when I have been witnesse to any gracious Ministers powerfull exhortation to the honourable House of Commons that has not presently been blessed with some good fruit Our grief for what yet lies behinde must not cast out of our memory the great things that are done already I verily beleeve that much more long before this had been done both in City and Countrey both by Lords and Commons if some Divines whom the Lord has anointed with grace learning wisdome eloquence and credit above their fellows had been more instant and industrious about those things which nearly concern Divines wherewith Christ their Master has trusted them above all others and which Church-men every where else to very good purpose use to mind with all the care and industry they are able The caveats of zeal The least degree of true piety must be tenderly h●ndled The zealous diligence of the Lords servants about their masters work can neither hurt nor justly offend any if it be tempered with the mixture of three needfull ingredients Piety Charity and a love to order In all our combats against error or whatever evill else of the time we must be very attentive that we give not the least discouragement to true Piety for this is so sweet and tender a plant of Gods own hand that who ever is acquainted with it will be extreamly loth to doe it the least hurt were it by their very breath much lesse by their words and actions It must be a grosse mistake or a grievous calumny which the Sectaries so much inculcate that Orthodoxe Ministers in their zeal against errours fall a beating and wounding the Saints of God and troubling the godly party the Lord forbid it were so The ground of this mis-assertion I take to be a twofold mis-apprehension 1. That all pretenders to piety though they be found really impious hypocrites yet for their s●●ws of Religion ought not to be dealt with according to their visible hypocrisie 2. That those who are truly pious and really the children of God may not be compassed about with many sinfull infirmities It ought to offend none when the mask is pulled off the face of those who scorn God and the world by the fair pretences of that which their very rough hands and the hellish vapours of their mouth doe demonstrate was never near their heart When such are hewen by the Prophets when by the sword of the Word they are slain when the fire and salt of God is cast upon such why should any gracious soul take it self to be touched Again when the most true Saints are rebuked most sharply for their errours or other sins whereby they offend God they become instruments of his dis-service and of the advancement of Satans Kingdome so much the more as their known grace makes the readier passage for the communication and propagation to others of their ungracious and sinfull corruptions if here a gracious Physitian endeavour to cut off from them their cancerous excrescences though it be with some pain yet here there is not the least intention of hurt to any of their sound members I dare say in the name of my brethren Presbyterians are far from suppressing the least measure of piety that when ever they are blowing away with the greatest earnestnesse the noisome smoak that fils the house to the offence of all within they shall be as loth to put out the smallest spark of grace in the smoaking flaxe as to choak the naturall heat of their own heart I confidently avow that no Presbyterian has any question at all with any dissenter about any thing which in the least degree toucheth upon piety and grace for every part of this they take to proceed from the heart of God and where ever they finde it they are willing to embrace it were it in the bosome of their greatest enemies as that which they professe is their own greatest aim to follow and study to attain If at any time
they are miscarried to practice against this profession they acknowledge their errour and duty to endeavour amendment and satisfaction I wish all our controversies were so near an end as this quickly may be I hope the Saints will not be so unreasonable as to make the beating of their unsanctified errours reflect upon any part of their sanctity especially when they who deal with them are so carefull as they can when they break their shels to remember what is within that they spoil not their pearl and for all which may offend in the cask and shard that the jewell and treasure which God has inclosed be not trod under foot Ch●rity and compassion to b● extended to our enemies This is almost all I have to say of the second caution also That in the greatest pangs of our zeal we never forget charity It 's true in this dead age where zeal against error or vice is so rare and where it is found of so low a degree that we need not draw it down by the mixture of any allaying adjunct yet because in some it has and in more it may exceed that charity which the Lord will have joyned with it we shall be loth to separate When ever we have to doe not only with them in whom we evidently see some rayes of the image of God but with very hypocrites whom we have but too good ground to suspect of counterfaiting yet for charities sake let us give them so far as evident verity will admit a good construction leaving the full account and certain search of them to the Lords f●rther discovery whether here or in his own day In the mean time for the sake of that grace and truth they carry in their face and mouth let us deal so gently with them as may be yea when we have to do with the grossest sinners let us never put off the bowels of pity and humanity to the worst of them Who hath made us of a better metall What sometimes have we been What before all our tryals be over may yet escape us or our children or our dearest friends Who knoweth how soon these wicked persons may receive mercy and be rescued out of Satans bands And though their wickednesse should continue yet they are not without abundant misery If it be not unhappinesse enough to be slaves to errour to vice to the Devill while they live to be instrumentall in the advancing of Satans Kingdome and active in destroying the precious souls of men yet their torments which abides them in hell are lamentable and a matter of great compassion to all who beleeve them What ever indignation we are obliged to carry against the sin yet we must pity the man and if any censure spirituall or temporall be inflicted upon him this justice must flow from the fountain of love and desire by that ordinary means to recover the person or else the execution will be no lesse heavy to the inflicter then to him on whom it is inflicted The clamours and invectives against the Presbyterians charity may well be neglected being so evidently caustesse Presbyteri●n● are far from persecuting any They are called persecutors when to this houre no power at all so much as of admonition is put in their hand and for this fault are cryed out upon by them who practise persecution to their power before the Sun If most bitter and injurious contumelies in word and print if crushing of a man in his credit and estate if threatning and beating by swords and staves onely for righteousnesse sake may come within the lines of any persecution As for the Presbyterians elsewhere why should their faults be charged upon the English before they be put in a condition to fall into them And yet I pray you how highly doth this humour of persecution raign in the worst of Presbyterians any where Doe they at all meddle with any mans goods liberty or life This has often been objected by some either ignorant or malicious men but as oft it has been rejected as a very injurious falshood Scotland which useth most to be burthened with this charge is sufficiently cleared of it in the Historicall Vindication All the Church censures there are meerly spirituall Excommunication in that Church is more rare and when it must be exercised is performed with much more leisure caution then amongst any of the Sects if so be they approve of any Discipline I am sure the principles either of the Independents or Brownists or Anabaptists permit them not to draw out so rarely and when it must be drawn to unsheath that sword any thing so leisurely and deliberately as the principles of the Presbyterians force them to doe If the State and Kingdome where the Presbytery doth dwell he pleased by the Acts of their Parliament to inflict any civill censure on excommunicate Papists or such who for obstinacy in a flagicious crime such as adultery murther or fornication or something worse what is that to the Church But this p●ssibly may be the matter the Church exhorts the State to the making and execution of Laws which may controul those whom Satan hath inspired to destroy themselves and all others they are able by their detestable errors for the punishment of them who make it their work to impugne and mock all the truths of God if this be the crime we will confesse our guiltinesse but withall that we esteem it a duty which the Parliaments of both Kingdomes have solemnly sworn to perform to their power If the chief framers and commenders of that Covenant at the beginning have since either discovered their hypocrisie or apostatized from their former sense or feigned a sense of their own to that solemn Covenant which is clearly destructive both to its plain words and known intention we can but pity and desire to be free of so grievous guiltinesse The third Caveat I spoke of was a true love to order The dignity and power of the Magistrate would be carefully preserved this is the season when the Prince of mis-rule Satan with all his power is building his Babell both in Church and State If ever order was necessary in the Church it is now more when every person man or woman young or old whose phansie is up must be at publick preaching and if in this they would square their words to any good rule it were the lesse evill But the most of their doctrines are meer conceits contrary to the truth of God Vnhappy Independents who opened at first and keep open to this day the door of the Church for these Satyres and Vultures these Iim and Ziim the great Owles and shriek Owls the wild beasts of the Desert and the wild beasts of the Island the Dragons and all the dolefull creatures to come in and defile to make havock of all that is most precious in the House of God But the order I mean here is chiefly in the State it will not satisfie the Masters of our mis-order
the Brownists But beside all which the Brownists can like of the Anabaptists proceed to a further reformation as they account it they become Antipaedobaptists Hereby they ingage themselves in these practises and Tenets They avow the nullity of our Baptisme first they refuse to Baptize any infant they refuse to admit to the first Sacrament any who gives not a confession of their own faith they esteem paedobaptism a great sin which according to their temper they expresse in harder or softer terms the meekest of them count it a nullity and will-worship A Secondly They presse on us a rebaptization they make it necessary to baptize over again all who in their infancy were baptized and from this they carry the name of rebaptizers It is true they deny with passion all rebaptizing for infant baptism they call a nullity so when they baptize in riper age them who before were baptized in their infancy they esteem this their action to be but the first baptism which they repeat no more B But we who know paedobaptism to be no nullity but a true and valid Sacrament cannot but call their action a second Baptism and repetition of the first So with great reason the name of rebaptizers is given unto them But to put the equity of this reproach out of doubt their great patrons now are come to defend the lawfulnesse of baptism not only twice but if ye will ten times yea so oft as you repent for sin which ought to be oftner then once a day so of Anabap●●●ts they become Hemerobaptists and more C Thirdly they exclude all infants from any interest at all in the Covenant of grace D They exclude all infants from the Covenant of grace and make circumcision a seale only of carnall promises they grant that the Jewish infants had interest in some earthly priviledges which Circumcision did seal unto them but they deny that any children whether of Jews or Gentiles have any promise of grace made to them till they come to age and beleeve so they will not have Circumcision a seal of the Covenant of grace E to any of the children of Abraham while they are infants but only of temporall benefits F By this means they make the infants of faithfull Christians and of the Turks and Pagans all equall G some of both to belong to eternall election but none of either to have any interest in the Covenant of grace till they become actuall beleevers This makes them uncertain what to say of infants dying before conversion some save them all H others incline to the damnation of them all I others professe the uncertainty of the thing whether infants before their conversion be within the kingdom of Satan or that of God K Many of them deny originall sin and assert all the articles of Arminius Fourthly many of them stumble upon originall sin some deny it altogether as if infants were not born with any sinfull corruption L or what ever sin they are born in they will have it taken away by vertue of Christs universall redemption in all mankinde as well Pagans as Christians M making baptism no more needfull in the one nor in the other for the removing or sealing of the removall of that which is removed without the means either of Word or Sacraments by vertue of a generall Covenant made with all mankinde in Adam after the fall From this ground they are drawn away to all the Tenets of Arminius Others of them flie out to the contrary extremity avowing that Adam before the fall in his very creation was corrupted with sin N and by a huge blasphemy make the very humane nature of Christ to be sinfull O and God to be the Creator of sin both in the first and second Adam P They separate from all who renounce not paedobaptisme Fiftly by their rejecting of infant Baptism they fall into the errour of rigid Separation they baptize none but actuall beleevers such as give them satisfaction of their actuall faith and holinesse thus far going along with the rigid Separatists Q But hence they proceed to another ground whereupon they leave the Separatists and 〈◊〉 who follow them not to Anabaptism R they take Baptism f●● a Sacrament of initiation for a door and mean of entring into the Church these who are not baptized they count not Church members infant Baptism they pronounce a nullity and such a disobedience to the Gospel as infers Antichristianism and a reall deniall that Christ is yet come in the flesh S So the Separatists who are all baptized in their infancy and refuse to be rebaptized to them are no better then unbaptized and Antichristian rebels not capable of Church membership or of any Church communion Upon this ground as their great Patron acknowledgeth they are forced to declare the Independent and Brownistick Congregations how dear otherwise soever to be but Antichristian Synagogues and no true Churches T But here self-self-love does much blind them Yet they admit into their Churches many much worse then these from whom they separate for they who are so precise as to separate with the Brownists from all the reformed Churches because of their impure admissions and from the Brownists also because of their infant Baptism are notwithstanding ready to receive into their Churches those who for life and doctrine are much more impure then many from whom they separate if so be they are willing to renounce their paedobaptism as they call it and to receive of them a new true Baptism V In this they stick not to their own principles nor to the practise of their fathers for so strict were they that a small scandall in life or a little difference in doctrine would have quickly procured a cutting off from the Church by the censure of excommunication but now the world abroad may hear both of adulteries and thefts and the grossest heresies of their members without any ejection from their Churches Sixtly they esteem sprinkling no Baptism at all Sprinkling to them nullifies baptisme they will have the whole body to be plunged over head and ears in the water X this circumstance of plunging they account so necessary and essentiall to Baptism that the change thereof into sprinkling makes the Baptism to be null That such a plunging draws upon some sicknesse and death and upon women great shame and scandall while they are stripped and must stand altogether naked in the presence of men and of the whole Congregation these and other inconveniences they do not much regard Y Seventhly M. Tombs new way of those who impugn paedobaptism some go a new way of their own wherein as yet they have very few followers if any at all for to this day I have heard of ●one M. Tombs a learned and very bold man at this time when so many new ways are in hand hath thought meet to make a hotch-potch of many of them together first He is a rigid Antipaedobaptist yet