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A40738 The worlds honour detected, and, for the unprofitableness thereof, rejected, and the honour which comes from God alone, asserted, and reduced to practice, or, Some reasons why the people of God called Quakers, do deny the accustomary honour and salutations of the world ... by a friend to truth, who is no respector or regarder of persons, called a Quaker, B.F. Furly, Benjamin, 1636-1714. 1663 (1663) Wing F2541; ESTC R8091 54,243 70

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vain And such are and thus do all that use those self-set-up customary ceremonial Gestures and Postures in Salutations to demonstrate the true honour and esteem by as experience daily demonstrates that they are but a feigned humility As therefore there is a true honour and a false so there is a true and living demonstration agreeable to the true honour and inseparable from it and a false shew and semblance thereof in ceremonies without substance which may be and is where the true honour love and esteem is not and so is deceitful But as fire and flax necessarily makes its way through and infallibly demonstrates it self and as life infallibly shews it self by natural heat and motion to such as are alive and can discern or feel it so this true honour which comes from God alone dwelling in the heart as necessarily shews it self by certain natural lively actions that are inseparable from it and so consequently true and infallible according as the indwelling honour leads moves guides directs and puts forth it self either by giving the hand falling on the neck imbracing kissing and at all times upon all occasions by doing good to all helping them walking towards all men in Love Patience Meekness and Peace so far as in them lieth feeding the Hungry cloathing the Naked visiting the Sick the Widdows and Fa●herless which with many other such like things are pure Religion and undefiled which also are more infallible demonstrations of true honour than those dirty customs of bowing the body bidding Good-morrow and Good-night wagging the Hat and such like things practised in a bare custom while the heart and thoughts may be full of deceit and compassing evil against the person pretended to be honoured thereby and thus these things being the customs and fashions of the world now do exactly answer to the customs and traditions and lip-honour among the People of old in which there neither was nor is any substance at all and so for the unprofitableness thereof to be rejected and a more true right and undeceiveable used instead thereof For as a man afar off perceiving a thing to move or rather moved should thence infer life to be in it when he drew nearer to it should find himself grosly deceived and that the cause of the motion was only artificial from without not naturally intrinsecal Even so he that should conclude that a man honoureth or esteemeth him because he worshippeth his person and greets him in the Market-place when he comes to look well into it and to have occasion to try it may find himself ex●reamly deceived and instead of true honour indeed onely find an empty shew and no●hing else instead of true love nothing but false complements wind vanity and deceit which cannot stand the tryal And as that motion which comes from life the more any man draws towards it the more it appears to be natural not artificial and so shuns no tryal feareth not the most piercing search but rather willingly imbraces it that it may be manifest Even so again These true natural genuine demonstrations of honour or actions and gestures when they proceed from the inward life ground principle and nature of the true Honour moving in the heart and putting forth it self in them they fear no search no tryal but are free open and willing to be weighed and looked into yea rejoyce in the most narrow and exact observation and prying eye and come willingly to the Light that so they may be made manifest to be of God This then forasmuch as it can deceive no man why should it not be by all Christians willingly imbraced and preferred before a deceitful weak beggarly Rudiment Ordinance and Fashion of the world as the doffing the Hat is in which there is no substance Is it not because the one is light easie and pleasant to the fleshly mind in men and women the other hard uneasie and a great cross to that mind Is it not a clear demonstration that men are more inclined to a shadow than substance more affected with vanity than well-doing Yet is this no great wonder that it is thus in the world for what can be expected from thistles but thistles or do men gather grapes on thorns This kind of honour is their own invention therefore they love it And no wonder to see the world love its own The other is from God alone the author and fountain of all true Honour Love and Esteem therefore a cross to the world rejected and not received by them for the world only loveth and receiveth its own But why this pretty Idol this feigned humility this will-worship this earthly thing this fashion of the world should be so acceptable to the Professors of this Age who profess themselves to be God's Elect chosen out of the world I understand not seeing its said to them that were so indeed that the fashion of this world passeth away and alwayes did from the Saints and they were commanded not to fashion themselves according to the world and forbidden to be conformable to it Why these I say should be so zealously conformable to such an empty shew and plead for it and be offended at Us who are indeed separated from the world and dead with Christ to the Rudiments Traditions Fashions Customs and carnal Ordinances thereof and so can no more as living in the world be subject to them as they are I cannot apprehend unless because though they profess themselves to be chosen out of the world they remain yet in the nature thereof and so may as fitly be called the Professors of this World as of this Age. Which name if they did bear and own it would be no more strange for it was alwayes as great a cross to the Professors of the World to break any of their light frothy fond foolish customs traditions as for the most profane But Friends is it enough for you to profess your selves chosen out of the world and yet never know your selves redeemed out of any of their Customs Ordinances and Institutions excepting in a few Religious so called Ceremonies about the Worship of God but otherwise abiding wholly conformable to all its Manners Fashions and Customs either in will or act in your selves or approbation thereof in your children whom you train up in them But your Reasons you have for its use you commonly render are these First That common Plea of the indifferency of these things which is answered and found to be a meer Chimaera not to be found in Rerum Natura 2. Your next commonly grants that honour of which we speak to be good serviceable and necessary But adding These things ye must do we also do the same and not leave the other undone Mat. 23.23 Answ. But where is this written No where And admit it had wherefore might they not since have been done away for the unprofitableness of them as Tything Mint and Anise the thing of which Christ speaks there though once a Command of
The Worlds Honour DETECTED And for the unprofitableness thereof REJECTED And the HONOUR which comes from GOD alone ASSERTED and reduced to practice OR Some REASONS why the People of God called Quakers do deny the accustomary Honour and Salutations of the World consisting in putting off the Hat Bowing Titling bidding Good-morrow Good-night c. upheld by them in a Respect of Persons contrary to the Royal Law of Liberty Iam. 2. Their several Pleas for the same impleaded and divers Objections answered By a Friend to Truth who is no respecter or regarder of persons called a Quaker B. F. Rom. 13.7 Give honour to whom honour is due Yea Honour all men 1 Pet. 2.17 Yet Honour is not seemly for a fool Prov. 26.1 How can ye believe that receive honour one of another and seek not the Honour which cometh FROM GOD ALONE Joh. 5.44 salute him not or say not to him God speed for he that saluteth him or saith so to him is partaker of his evil deeds 2. Joh. 11. London Printed for Robert Wilson 1663. To the READER FRIEND IN this Paper thou hast a faithful account why we do not use but testifie against the Customs of the World in their Salutations which yet we impose upon no mans understanding but singly bear the Testimony of the Lord as we have received it from him leaving the thing to be witnessed by the Light and Spirit of God alone in every man's Conscience to which every one must stand or fall and in which a man ought narrowly to weigh all his deeds and as he shall finde peace or reproof from the Lord after due inquest so let him do not out of fear to shun the Cross in any thing nor for affection or out of imitation to any without the sence and feeling of the Iudgment of the Lord and his leadings in both which there is danger and an absolute mistake of the way of Truth in which the Servants of the Lord are led and such are as far from the true Unity with the People of God as they that are conformable to the Worlds Customs in blindness of which I thought good to warn all men every where that they might come to the true ground or ground of Truth in themselves there to find and feel the Iudgements of the Lord against all evil by the Light made manifest in themselves and to receive of the Power of the Lord which leads out of the evil seen which Power is received in the giving up to and answering of the Convictions of the Light And that the whole World may know that our Unity stands not in an external conformity of the Hat Cap or any other outward thing or action but in that Light Life Power Spirit which the World knoweth not neither can receive in and by which we are all united unto one Spirit Soul Mind and Body of which Christ is the head even by the living virtue which proceedeth and descendeth from him to the enlivening of each member according to the measure which it is capable of where it is so that our Unity is not without but within nor with any outward practice though never so apparent to have been the practice of the Saints and holy men of old whether Patriarchs Prophets or Apostles and Disciples in the times of greatest purity further than it is now in this day and in that person that doth it found felt and known to proceed from that One only Antient and eternal Spirit and Life in which alone God hath alwayes been worshipped and honoured and not at all out of it at any time for he that is not in the Spirit is in the flesh and he that is in the flesh cannot please God and he that is not in the Life is in death and the dead cannot praise our God who is a living God and liveth for evermore He that reads let him try himself B. F. The Worlds Honour detected and for the unprofitableness thereof rejected and the Honour that comes from God alone asserted and reduced to practice c. THat there is an Honour from men to each other which also is to be shewed upon all occasions to all men in common yea and a special Honour from Inferior to Superior Relations according to the flesh as from Children to their Parents from Servants to their own Masters from Wives to their own Husbands from Subjects to their own Emperors Kings Princes Magistrates or Rulers and from the People of God to those whom the Lord hath placed as Watchmen over them yea and a double Honour to all those that rule well and are found doing the Work of the Lord faithfully is of it self so clear that it needs no proof being so clearly asserted in the holy Scriptures and denyed by no People that I have ever met with or heard of which sheweth it to be amongst the number of those things placed by God immediately from himself in his creature Man which of all demonstrations is the most firm and valid that any man can have because he hath a firm testimony thereof immediately in himself which being free from all possibility of being corrupted unless by himself and with his own consent I call the most firm and stable assurance that man can have far exceeding any writing or written testimony which being never so pure true and infallibly so in it self at its first giving forth may in process of time through malice of men or the weakness and negligence of Transcribers be falsifyed vitiated and corrupted or defective before it reacheth my hands and so consequently without my consent or guilt but so cannot this immediate inward living Testimony of the Spirit or Light of God in man be but here every man must have a hand in corrupting it for himself and turning this Grace of God which hath appeared to all men bringing Salvation into wantonness whereby they justly bring condemnation and darkness upon themselves Now what this true Honour is this is the Question among many and how it is given or shewn to men in general and how to each particular Relation This true Honour then it self I affirm and I hope with the consent of all intelligent men to be LOVE or a Principle of Love Universal Love placed by God near man in his heart and mouth and it is shewn or given to any man in particular and so in general by extending it self forth in the Actions of Love towards him as his condition and necessity requireth This with me is the only true foundation of all true and lasting Honour which cometh from God undeniably as that without which all honour so called is no honour but only in shew and not in deed for how can I honour him whom I love not or indeed love a man and not honour Him its impossible These two then are inseparable yea they are convertibles they are one this Love is Honour and this Honour is Love where the one is wanting the other cannot truly be where and
whensoever the Universal Love cools to any member of the body of mankind there and then the true Honour ceaseth till the Love be again renewed and if there yet abideth a shew of honour 't is indeed but a shew a deceitful piece of hypocrisie as the worlds honour and honouring one another for the most part is who can and frequently do make a shew of honouring one another while deceit and mischief lodgeth in their hearts and is covered over with that mantle which they oft assume for that very end As their own Proverb in the Italian tongue hath it Chi ti carezza piú che no suole ò in gannato ti hà ò in gannar ti Vuole He that courteth thee more than he is wont either he hath deceived thee already or intends it Now as I have said there never was any People so dull but they have honoured or had in esteem which is all one some or other at least their Relations but to honour all men to love all men is the perfectian of a Christion 't is his work and his alone who is in the Lord none else can but such as dwell in God that is in Love which is the bond of Perfection The Heathens they loved their friends and honoured those that loved them and the Scribes Pharisees their Brethren saluting them with their self-invented and accumstomary salutations and manners but to love and honour all men belongs to the Perfection unto which Christ the Eternal Son and Love of the Father laboured to bring his Disciples that they might be like unto Him perfect as their Heavenly Father is perfect Of this true honour which comes from God the World being ignorant or at least heedless they have gone about to establish their own honour which is of the Earth comes from men from the earthly spirit of the World in men and women and so pleaseth the same spirit in all for the World receiveth its own And having now changed this true natural genuine Honour which is of God into their own artificial feigned and strained art of Complement consisting in bundles of fopperies fond Ceremonies foolish windings turnings crouchings and cringings with their bodies uncovering their heads using multitudes of frothy frivolous light vain yea and most commonly lying words in a way of Complement which being brought forth the airy light vain mind in men is so taken with it that it is set up in their minds as the most accomplish'd piece that can be imagined amongst them and ratified by a perpetual Law as unalterable as the Laws of the Medes and Persians to be the only standard by which all honour respect reverence esteem or love must be measured being so enamoured upon it that they deem it their glory and crown to be exact in it to a punctilio de cap-à-pé and he is amongst them accounted the most accomplish'd Gentleman that is most expert at it Being thus arrived to so high esteem at Court and had in such venerable reverence among the Grandees of the Earth and renowned Ones of the World it provokes the ambitious honour-seeking-spirit in its more inferior Orb each according to their ability to seek to render themselves Masters of it by a certain double-diligent observation and practice of them yea it hath such influence upon Professors of God Christ Scripture Spirit Professors that profess themselves separated from and chosen out of the World that the most sober amongst them not to mention the more light are found conforming to them so far as their gravity will admit and somewhat further too sometimes but wherein themselves fall short lest they should be too grosly guilty of levity and justly charged therewith yet is it none of their smallest cares and strenuous endeavours to use all meanes imaginable according to their ability to train up their Children in these evil manners deceitfully called good manners now a dayes and to that end send them to Schools to learn them to walk and shail their legs in Dancing to doff their Hats and wring their bodies in Congees and how to hold their hands heads necks and make fine Courtesies backwards with such like things as young Women learn at such places that so they may not lose one grain hair nor jot of that honour renown fame respect and worship among men which their Parents can purchase them by their money And thus the Fathers having eaten lowre Grapes the Childrens teeth are commonly set on edge and such as are not of themselves so are oft-times made to eat and so this kind of honour is instilled into them in their tender age that it may as it were grow up with them and through custom and the esteem it hath in the world become natural to them that so the true Honour which should take place is by this bastard honour supplanted suppressed and as it were ejected This is the case and thus it stands with the World Professors and Prophane and many know it well but will not see And therefore those whom the Lord hath in mercy redeemed out of these vanities and stopped many in their full career that they cannot run into the same excess of vanity with them because they forsake all this mock-honour are though found in the more excellent in the Honour which comes from God towards all men despised mocked rendered strange Monsters Wonders gazing stocks Spectacles to all Nations Countries and Cities where these things are made the standard or touchstone of all Civility and Good-manners Yet this is no more then was of old for there is no new thing under the Sun as the Prophet of the Lord said Behold I and the Children thou hast given me are for signs and wonders in Israel So it may be said now for so it is at this day Therefore ye despisers wonder not at us that we have forsaken and denied all these things root and branch but turn your eyes into and among your selves and see what strange and antick manners you have among you see what baubles and toyes you are pleased with what pittiful sorry things you are delighted in seek after covet and love and wonder that Man whom God made upright and planted a noble Plant in his own Image to love and take his delight in him alone should ever come to be so degenerated and faln in love with such vanities as these things more light than feathers at this I say rather wonder for here is true matter of wonder of wonder indeed Wherefore let every man of sobriety and moderation weigh the thing ponder it and tell me which of you cannot think in his heart much less is convinced there that this is the Honour which comes from God alone which he requireth that men should yield to each other who of you all hath faith therein Object But some may say we do not say that these things are the honour it self which comes FROM GOD we pretend it not they are but a kind of civil Worship honour and
Putting off the Hat or bowing in a way of Respect Honour Worship or Reverence to an external Object all the difference is they do it to lifeless Images ye many times to wicked men who are dead whilst they live Now why is the putting off the Hat c. to an Image Idolatry and to a degenerated Wicked ambitious man who is worse not Is it the Image makes the difference For they do put off their Hats to Images and ye say they Worship Images and ye do the same to men may we not then say that ye worship men And where doth the Scripture say the Worshiping of Images is Idolaetry and of men good or are not men also Images In vain again will be your distinction of a Civil Worship and so no Idolatry for then in comes the Pontifician with his cover of Ecclesiastical Worship and not Divine and so as little Idolatry as yours Can ye now reject which foundation their distinction of Ecclesiastical we upon the same ground deny yours of Civil Worship for they stand both in one ground Object Some now say the Papists do intend a Religious Divine Honour and Worship we not therefore though the Action be the same yet the intention makes their's Idolatry ours not Answ. They or at lest most of them deny it would you admit us to say the same of you But this opens a wide door and gives liberty to be present at the Mahumetan Mass-worship or any other gross Idolatrous Worship and to the Worship the worst of Idols externally for if the inward intent of the mind makes that Idolatry which otherwise is not evil but good then you may lawfully put off your Hats to Images bow the Knee to the Wafer-Idol as you meet it in the streets or are present in the Idol-Temples and Mas-houses if ye do not intend in your minds any honour to that but do it to some other end especially if ye do but in your way worship your God at that time And then if this be Orthodox Doctrine amongst you how much less excusable are ye in giving offence to the Papists in these things which ye believe ye may do without sin then we in offending you in that which we cannot sine laesâ Conscientiâ conform unto If any say All things are lawful but all things are not so expedient and therefore though it be lawful for us to put off our Hats passing by an Image or bow the Knee before an Idol yet it is not expedient for that we should thereby strengthen those worshippers in their Idol-worship and confirm them in the blindness of their minds which we may not do but rather labour to inform their minds both by Word and Example and therefore in love to their Souls we cannot do it We also say to you Though putting off the Hat in it self might seem nothing and be done yet we having therein found the Cross of Christ and in the Cross the Power of God we cannot make the Cross of Christ to cease but considering the great abuse therein and error of Peoples minds and what mind is pleased and fed therewith we cannot but walk in the Cross to that mind in others which is crucified in our selves that so they may come also to take up the daily Cross to that mind in them which 〈…〉 after honour and seeketh honour of men earthly honour honour below which that of the Hat is and not from above Moreover your practice is to us as plain Idolatry and Superstition as the Papists is to you and that you will not see it to be so is as little our fault as that they will not confess theirs so to be For what is an Idol but something made of a thing of nothing For we know saith the Apostle that an Idol in the world is nothing onely they make something of it and there 's the Idol And what is Superstition but to stand upon an empty formality and to be bound up and bowed down to it this is Superstition or to take up and stand in and not move from a Formality nor suffer others so to do because it is a custome Now what is a Hat or what is in it that ye will needs have that put off as the onely honour due to Magistrates Is there any thing more in it then in the Coat Cloak Glove or Shooe but as the inventing Idol-making-mind hath placed something in it and therefore it s no dishonour to Magistrates to deny it but rather an honour because it tendeth to the opening of their eyes and leading them out of Bondage to Fruitless Customs and Formalities And ye that think to cover your selves with the pretence of Civil Worship and say We must be subject to the Civil Magistrate in all Civils and he commands it Have ye never read how that Ahasuerus the King commanded that all his Subjects should Bow and Reverence Haman and yet Mordecai refused to bow himself or obey the Kings Command though but in a Civil Matter or a Civil Worship as ye call it whereupon your Predecessors presently said to him Why dost thou transgress the King's Command At which Haman also being wroth he procured the King's writing to slay all the Iews but the Lord frustrated his purpose Certainly had you lived in his day you would have said much more This man is an obstinate self-willed fool that will not do such a trifle to save his own life and the lives of all his Brethren the whole Nation of the Iews Wherefore O ye Magistrates and Rulers of the People whether called Emperors Kings Princes or by what other Title soever distinguished listen not to the Complaints and dissembling Accusations of such envious ambitious Hamans who though they pretend your Honour and Zeal to have all your Laws and Orders obeyed yet trust them not 't is their own Ends and Honour they seek under that cover therefore beware of them neither lend your Ear to that Haman-spirit in your selves when it would rise up in wrath and fury and put you upon drawing the Sword of Iustice against a harmless innocent peaceable people onely for the law of their God and tenderness of their Conscience if you have no other just matter against them for that Spirit is not to be your Counsellor neither ever was sent by God to be your Guide unto Righteousness and therefore is to be Judged and Condemned in its appearance and rising in you by that more Noble Principle of God in you which the Lord hath placed near you to guid Counsel and direct you to lead your feet into the Path of Peace Iustice Mercy and Righteousness in which the Throne of the King is established and to be his sure and everlasting Record Evidence and Witness for him against you in every thing that you act contrary to it And therefore if ye neglect this and reject its Counsel ye reject the Counsel of the Lord against your selves and by giving heed to that seducing Spirit which tempts and