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Siniorragia the sifters sieve broken, or a reply to Doctor Boughen's sifting my case of conscience touching the Kings coronation oath : wherein is cleared that bishops are not jure divino, that their sole government without the help of presbyters is an ursurpation and an innovation, that the Kings oath at coronation is not to be extended to preserve bishops, with the ruine of himself and kingdome / by John Geree.
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Geree, John, 1601?-1649.
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Wing G599; ESTC R26434
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motion I may also justly take occasion to give notice that our Reformation hath been counted defective for keeping up Episcopacy in its height and not either abolishing it or at lest bringing it within the ancient limits with a Presbytery which now is offered by the King And what other reformed Churches can the Author name but it was part of their Reformation to take away Diocesan Episcopacy Parag. 15. You express a needless grief to hear from a Preacher of the Word that the Bishops must lay down wealth honour and Mytres or else the Crown must run an hazzard Are you sorrie to hear a Preacher speak the truth hath not the Crown run an hazzard in this respect as well as others But whereas you say I give notice of what hath been the cause of my factious preaching you falsly slander for though I know no cause that I should have had to grieve to see the Bishops stript of their greatness in a fair way yet I have as seriously and sincerely grieved for the hazzard of of the Crown as your self and have been as far from furthering it For that you add that few of the Bishops have gained so much by the Church as their breeding cost their parents It will be credible but to a few except to those that know at what rates they made friends in the Court to procure them Parag. 16. You tell me I might have done well to have directed this passage to the Parliament Truly you say true and those that know me know I have not been backward to press and perswade a condescension on their parts as well as on the Kings and that in writing too which on as good an occasion as I had to print my Case may see the light But the Bishops have not been so innocent as you make them for schism they did not prevent it but partly made it by casting out both Ministers and people for their own inventions that willingly and peaceably would have held communion in all Gods ordinances partly occasion'd it by neglect of good Discipline and rigorously requiring conformitie to humane ceremonies for Heresies they did foster them How did the most of them connive at Papists advance Arminians and Socinians while they pretended against Socinianism Blasphemie in one kinde they hinder'd not in that they let blaspemous swearers pass without discipline and enjoy the priviledges of Sacraments Atheism they promoted by hindring the preaching of the Gospel which they were enemies to for the most part to uphold their dumb Ministerie and for fear their idleness should be censured They taught rebellion against the Lord in teaching men to prophane his Sabboths They hindred not but occasioned blood-shed in oppressing Scotland with illegal impositions stirring up the King to war against them and to break his Pacification with them which was the egg that hath bred this cockatrice that is like to destroy all This I speak not of all but some of them nor out of a delight I have to rake in other mens sores but to shew you that Bishops grew not into such odium among the people for nothing nor were they without miscarriages that occasioned such a violence against them and yet for my part I grieve that the peoples dislike of them had not acted in a more orderly and regular way Parag. 17. For Seldens distinction between the Abbot and the Abbey it seems he is better at relating distinctions then practising them And its good to observe that distinction where the man is Gods instituted Officer but that neither Abbot was nor Diocesan Bishop is but both humane creatures Parag. 18. Your quarrell is at my expression of bringing Bishops to moderation which you in a jeering way say is annihilation but as wise a man as you may be deceived for though that relation or title of Episcopacie be taken away wherewith man hath exalted them yet they may retain that place that God hath given them to serve him as Pastors in some parochiall charge as they did before their Episcopacie which he that disdains or thinks nothing or that it is too low for him I dare be bold to say it is too good for him Parag. 19. For that you say that the King suffers for the Bishops obstinacy the more disrespective they not to yield that he may be enlarged if that would do it you know what Gregory Nazianzen not inferior to any of them did for peace for what you relate here and else-where in an accusatorie way of what is done to the Bishops and Clergie I might object what hath been done to the Clergie of the other side when under opposite power but I have neither furthered nor approved the oppressions of neither side but bewail them and fear Gods judgments for them And therefore in your Parag. 20. is slander out of malice or mistake that I have preacht for the Bishops wealth or Mytre c. but your opinion is at last if others be so violent to put him to it the King and his posterity must perish e're you will consent to part with your greatness and honour Sure if you count those that put the King upon this strait his enemies no wise man will count you who will rather let him perish by the rigour of others then relieve him by your condescension good friends you love greatness so that you will rather lose it with him then release it to contribute to his preservation Is this your boasted of affection and loyaltie This shews what you pretend love to the King for to uphold your own greatness not his further then it upholds yours Parag. 21. You conclude that if the Bishops knew themselves guilty of the difference between the King and Parliament God forbid but they should part with all they may c. And if they will remember the beginning of it in Scotland with the occasion they may see guilt enough especially he that called it Bellum Episcopale who it is to be feared spake the minde of the rest But yet they cannot give up what is Gods nor would I have them but for God and to God for his glory both to promote a blessed peace and to set in its proper sphear Presbyter-Bishops of his own appointing and support more able of them to feed the flock of God that may live divers years without one Sermon for many a Diocesan Bishop Case of Conscience Resolved BEsides this argument there be other insinuations brought in by the same Author that it would be dishonourable to the Kings memorie to be an unfortunate instrument to pull down Cathedrals and impoverish them c. Answ To abolish Prelacie and seize the revenue of Prelates to private or civill interest undoubtedly could neither want stain nor guilt such kinde of impropriation as hapned in the dayes of Henry the 8. was cryed out of all the Christian world over Illam bonorum Ecclesiasticorum dissipationem cum detestando sacrilegio conjunctam tecum cum bonis omnibus deploramus scelus universo