false worships in the Steeple-houses in the sheeps cloathing Did God let thee see the deceit of the tythes in the Priests Did God let thee see the vanity of respecting of persons and honouring of the creatures was thou turning from these things as thou confesseth And art thou now turned to them again By whom the way of truth comes to be evill spoken of Is thy latter end worse then the beginning will not all thy words be thy burden and fall heavy upon thee thy time is not past George Emmot And as for all the reviles scoffes mocks in thy Book they are not worth mentioning and raking in the dust for among sober people Hast thou turned the grace of God into wantonness which had taught thee to deny the ungodly lusts of the world and would have brought thee to salvation and so forsaken the Covenant of the Lord God the law in thy minde and in thy heart whereby thou might have been taught to know the Lord But now thou art run out to Teachers that may be removed into a corner that will poyson thee And do put some into coâ—ners and Prisoâ—s because they will not give them maintenance and then they are them that put into prisons and corners That which brought thee to leave off thy ribbons and vanities and lusts of the world waâ— the grace of God which thou hast turned into wantonnesse and published it to the Nation see page 6. And thou art turned in to that the grace taught thee to deny Pr. He saith The Steeple-house is a holy place more holy then a house see page 8. Ans The Pope hath taught thee this and his Teachers and thou art gotten into the holy place like the Pharisees and saies the Apostle defiled it and thus you and your Popes doctrine is got up since you have apostatized from the Apostles which Apostles brought the Jewes off the holy places thou speaks of and while you and them have been in these holy places you have been in the unholiness Henoch Howet his Book titled The Quaking Principles dashed to pieces by the standing and unshaken TRVTH He hath dashed himself to pieces upon the Rock as his torn Language in his Book discovers And his Principles are here as followeth which a great part of his Book is not worth mentioning but turned back upon himselfe who must bear his owne burthen in the day that burns as an oven that his works are tryed he shall remember to the witness in him I speak Pr. HE makes the Scripture to be the onely weapon whereby Christ overthrow the Devill see page 3. Answ Who bruiseth his head and was before Scripture was Yet the Scriptures is for correction and doctrine furnishing the man of God in his place and Christ the seed was before Scripture was And all them that hath Scripture and not Christ cannot overcome the Devill you and the Papists doing his work for they that overcome him it is with the power and those have the Scriptures of truth which the Devil is out of Pâ— Here he saith the Scriptures is the hope See page 4. Ans Which is contrary to the Scriptures which saith Christ is the hope and they that had the Scripture stood against the hope Christ Pr. He saith there is nothing in man to be spoken to but man See page 5. Ans How then ministred the Apostle to the spirit And Christ spake to the spirits in prison and Timothy was to stir up the gift that was in him and the spirit of the Father speaks within them and the light it shines in the heart which God hath commanded to shine out of darknesse And the Son of God is revealed in me saith the Apostle Here the Scriptures are for correction of thee and reproof of thee who said there is nothing to speak too â—n man but man when the Apostle saith that which may be known of God is manifest in man for God hath shewed it unto them Rom. 1. And the Apostle was manifest to every ones conscience in the sight of God and that was of God which the children disobeyed Pr. He calls that a darke delusive light Ans Which John calls Christ the light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world which we speak of so he is fighting against the foundation of God that stands sure And thus the man is striking at the Rock and splitting himself is not come to John but is as dark as the Pharisees Heathen whose darknesse cannot comprehend the light that John saith lighteth every man that cometh into the world that shineth in the darkness that is the true light John 1. chap. So you that deny the light which Christ hath enlightned every man that cometh into the world withall be the enemies of Christ that will not that he should reign over you who are by him to be slain and so that Scripture which he mentions there in page 10. stands for himself who gets his words and calls him Lord but doth not do as he saith and ye all that be in darknesse stumble at the Scriptures which see not the light that lighteth every one that cometh into the world Pr. Hâ— saith They that deny the honour of men are Witches and Wizards page 14. Ans Wilt thou say that Mordecai was a wizard and had a familiar spirit that would not bow to Haman And the Apostle found fault with them that worshipped the creature more then the Creator who is God blessed for ever And all the familiar spirits and wizards fell down and worshipped Nebuchadnezars Image which Daniel could not bend to their Image nor inventions Pr. And again thou saith They that love God and love Christ keepeth his commandements see page 14. Ans And thou art bringing many Scriptures to oppose the commands of Christ who saith Be not ye of men called Master So thou art seen not to be of the spirit of Christ but the spirit that is gone out into the world that is Antichrist and opposeth his Doctrine who is the end of the Prophets and was before Abraham was and so hath given judgement of thy selfe thou neither loves God nor Christ Pr. And here he accuseth Paul and saith Paul saith he is not perfect Answ When Paul saith As many of us as are perfect are thus minded and brings himself in the number and speaks wisdome among them that are perfect page 15. John Timpsons Booke called The Quakers Apostacy from the perfect Rule of the SCRIPTVRES discovered A True title to his Book concerning his own condition as his Book doth witnesse himselfe in the Apostacy whose work is to oppose the light which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world that John bore witnesse of So opposing the Covenant of God of life and peace and the foundation of God which stands sure Christ Jesus which he may as well say nothing or do nothing But the stone is set upon his head and the foundation of God is layd witnessed by the Prophets
to justification sanctification and righteousness Answ None comes to Justification to Righteousnesse who are out of the fear of God nor to receive his righteousnesse but who comes to the light within which comes from Christ the righteousnesse the wisdome the justification and sanctification and ye be in the errour that be not in this Light that leads too and le ts see it Pr. Perfection in holiness cannot be attained in this life for Adam was under such a Covenant he had no Mediator upon the breach of the command Ans God said to Adam the seed of the Woman should bruise the Serpents head Christ the Promise the Mediator made the way which was the way in again to God of mans redemption and got down the Serpents head which got up in transgression that Christ the head should bear rule that the seed of the woman should have dominion the second Adam the seed Christ Jesus the Lord from heaven Perfection is not to be attained to by the life ye live untill ye come to the principle of God in you but the life that David lived in saw an end of all perfection And all who come to Christ the second Adam they come to perfection and all who attain to him they attain to perfection in the life of God out of the first Adam but who deny the light that enlightneth every man that cometh into the world and rest in the first Adam the life they live in denies perfection and never owns it in the life they live in But who comes into perfection comes into Christ a new life out of Adam in the Fall in transgression All Physitians to sick men are to make them perfect And do yee say make none whole make none perfect make never a man perfect For being made whole they are made perfect for sin wounds for the Ministery of God was to bring people to the perfect man to present them perfect These were Physitians of value and of worth whereby the body soule spirit and all were cured and they glorified God in the body and spirit Now yee that say they shall not be perfect and that none shall be without sin upon the earth no perfection in the life we live in These are Physitians of no value yee are not worthy to have the name of Physitians Ministers nor Teachers Thomas Weld Richard Prideaux Samuel Hammond William Cole and William Durant for yee are pleading while men be upon earth they must have a body of sin and he that saith otherwayes is a deceiver and so ye keep them in their wounds and sores putrifying and imperfect and not makers up of the breach and binders up of the wound And the Lord saith Though their sins be as red as crimson I will make them as white as wool and will blot out sin and transgression And this tender love and kindnesse of the Lord and mercifulness to sinners transgressors hath the Lord made manifest amongst them which the world in scorn calls Quakers and it is not a strange thing that you would not have people to forsake the fashions of the world who are thus hung about with ribbons and cuffs and scarfs and your double Boot-hose-tops and more like unto Stage-players then Ministers Pr. Perfection is a fancy those were not words of true Physitians who brought men to a perfect man to the growth up in perfection amongst the perfect ones who speak wisdome They say It is no where said that the Law is fulfilled in any Saints in this life Answ They that love God keep his Commandements Christ is the end of the Law to every one that believes and who be in him be in the end of the Law And all that dwell in love dwell in God and love is the fulfilling of the commandement who are of the seed of God keep the words of God which the Beasts and false Prophets since the dayes of the Apostles who have inwardly ravened and turned against the royall seed of God and keep the Commandements of God and so none of you that raven from the spirit of God cannot keep Gods commandements though ye have all the Saints words for the Saints witnesse the end of the Law and witness perfection and a perfect man and spoke wisdome among them that were perfect and growing up to perfection Pr. That Christ gives to every man a saving light we utterly deny Answ He is the true light that doth enlighten every man that comes into the world saith John the Minister of God and he is salvation to the ends of the earth and they that hate the light neglect their salvation and turns the grace of God into wantonness and denies the Lord that bought them And every one that hath heard and learned of the Father cometh to the Sonne and none heareth or cometh to the Father that cometh not to the Son But who comes to the thing that is transgressed in them and the light that every man that cometh into the world is enlightened withall nor hears nor learns of the Father nor comes to the Son but by that and the light that lighteneth every one that cometh into the world is the salvation to him that believes and he that doth not it is his condemnation Pr. But how dare these men lift up themselves in their blasphemous pride to say they are pure as God Answ Doth not Christ say Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect is that blasphemy and to be holy as I am holy is that blasphemy whose Ministers are you is not this the work of Christ and the Apostle without Holiness ye shall never see God and as he is so are we in this present world Pr. The word of God is contained in the Scriptures Ans The Scripture saith God is the word and the heaven of heavens cannot contain him are ye not more like void of reason then Ministers whose ignorance thus appears of the Scriptures which saith God is the word and the Scripture is the words and Christ is the word who fulfills them Pr. The Scriptures were given forth some more darkly some plainer Answ They which gave forth Scripture and they that be in that in which it ends to them the Scripture is not dark but such as be from the Principle of God in their own selves they be darkness so darkness happens to them which blinds their minds and the Scriptures was not given forth darkly but in the light but you who be from the light be dark Pr. The Apostles ordained them elders by a mediate call and we are convinced clearly of a mediate call to the work of the ministry and of the word Answ That which made the Officers and overseers in the Church amongst the Saints before the Apostasie It was the Holy-Ghost which holy men spoke Scripture from that made them Overseers that was not mediate but immediate that did oversee in the Church of God And we do believe that you Elders and Members called Ministers are all mediate and
the sleights of men which is in reference to false Prophets of which this Land is now full You say That a man cannot be made free from sin and cannot keep the Commandements of God perfectly Answ Are not you in the tossing too and fro and tossing people too and fro And are not you the false Prophets which Christ said should come which John said was come and the world hath been after you who tells the people that they cannot keep the commandements perfectly Contrary to John who saith he that loves God keeps the commandements of God And the Beast made war against them that kept the Commandements of God and herein is the love of God perfect Pr. You tell people of a Sacrament a Creed and three persons Answ Which the Scripture tells no such thing But the Common-prayer-book doth and so you do not teach the form of sound words in your Catechim Pr. Out of the Scriptures we may learn the knowledge of the true God Answ That which gives the knowledge of the true God is the spirit that gave forth the Scriptures for the Pharisees that had the Scriptures knew not God Pr. The state of man in this life is three-fold Creation Corruption Regeneration Answ In Regeneration the life is changed out of that life which is in the Fall So Regeneration and Corruption is not one in the new life Pr. A man by his own power cannot get into regeneration for they are dead in sins and trespasses Answ Some are sanctified from the womb and some children are holy so all are not dead in sins and trespasses for they that are so are but unbelievers Pr. All men have not salvation by Christ and there are many that have no share in salvation purchased by Christ Ans This is contrary to Scripture which saith that he is the offering for the sins of the whole world and the Saviour of all men and especially of those that believe And they that turns the grace of God into wantonnesse denies their salvation and they which hate the light which enlightens every man that cometh into the world hates their salvation to the ends of the earth Pr. The Scripture is the Word and God is in his Word and God in the Scripture offers Christ God in his Word offers Christ which you call Scriptures Answ The Scriptures of truth are the words of God and Christ the Word comes to fulfill them and God was in them that gave forth the Scriptures and Christ was in them who gave forth scriptures and the Scriptures testifie of him and the Scripture doth not say that God is in the dead Letter Paper and Inke but his power ye are ignorant of and errs not knowing Scriptures and the Scriptures are not God Pr. You say That God works inwardly by his spirit and outwardly by his Word and our faith is summed up in the Apostles creed Answ Christ is the Author of the Faith and the Apostle doth not tell us of a Creed the spirit and the word are one and they are inwardly known sanctifying Pr. The rule of Christian obedience is the Law of God Ans That which is the end of the Law is a Christians life and rule who comes to the obedience of faith in which they please God and are justified which no flesh by the works of the Law is justified Pr. Brethren be perfect be of good comfort be of one minde No man is able to keep the commandements of God we break them daily in thought word and deed in the best of our duties we are unprofitable servants Ans Here is your confusion layd open them that were perfect had a new minde and their deeds wrought in God and their thoughts were changed that witnessed repentance and they kept the commands of God and their fruits are of the spirit and of faith which are not unprofitable But your works and fruits who are out of the faith and out of the spirit of God are unprofitable who breaks the Commandements but they that love God keep his Commandements Pr. Christians must attend upon Gods Ordinances and Sacraments to know their duty toward their neighbour which Sacraments are the seal and the covenant Answ The Apostles tell us of no such signes sacraments nor such words but that which fulfils Law is the Son of God which brings him to do his duty towards God and towards his neighbour which is Christ Pr. There are two Sacraments and the Covenant of grace is to all that believe and receive Christ and the two Sacraments are Baptisme and the Lâ—rds Supper which are visible signes Ans The Scripture doth not any where call them visible signes nor sacraments and the Covenant of grace is to all whether they believe or not believe receive or not receive and the Scripture doth not call Baptisme and the Lords supper Sacraments Pr. Because Infants of the Jewes were circumcised therefore are children baptized Christ hath ordained this Sacrament as bread and wine and the Sacrament is the food of the soul Answ This is a Popish doctrine that which feeds the soul is immortall and that is the souls food which findes rest in Christ the bread of life the food for the soule And the Scriptures doth not tell us that the bread and wine is a Sacrament and the Scripture doth not tell us that Circumcision was outwardly a type of Baptisme outwardly but of the inward and you bring a Scripture which is the 23. of Luke and the 43. vers and saith that it saith that the souls of the wicked are cast into Hell which that Scripture speaks no such thing Pr. We are not to seek for happiness in this life Answ The Saints were and are made partakers of the heavenly riches and of Christs fulness and of his unspeakable joy and full of glory in Christs Kingdom which is in them who are upon the earth and for the rest of your lies and confusions is not worth answering Richard Baxter His Principles in that which he cals one sheet for the Ministers which is two sheets in whose mouth is found a lie as in his Title Page is to be seen His Principles in it as followeth Pr. THat we are hated of all men for the Name of Christ who are but Ministers who gave some Pastors Teachers appointed for the perfecting of the Saints for the work of the Ministry for the edifying of the body of Christ till we all come to a perfect man To Disciple Nations Baptize and Teach them so cut down the Ministers the Pillars and the buildings will fall Answ In the steps of the Ministers of Christ you are not found but in the steps of the Scribes end Pharisees called of men Masters in the chiefest seats of Assembles in your long robes uppermost Roomes at Feasts causing the Ministers of Christ to be haled out of your Synagogues and thrust out and haled and persecuted and prisoned which are in the generation of the Serpents that should fulfill Christs words Mat. 23.
who comes to the Kingdom of heaven in them comes to be perfect yea to a perfect man and that is above any degree and thus thou art blind and ignorant of that wich the Scriptures declare Pr. Thou wouldst have it proved that they are false prophets that declare the true Prophets words Answ They that make Merchandice of the true Prophets words were the beast false prophets and great Whore but they that speak freely as they had received was the true Prophets and true Apostles and such in all ages was distinct each from other known by the spirit of the Lord who had received from the Lord what they spoke and declared freely and who had got the Saints words and had not received them from the Lord but spake them forth for money these were distinct one from another A Paper I have received the Title of it is A form of sound words containing the first Principles of the Oracles of God framed for the use and benefit of the Inhabitants of two adjacent Parishes in the County of NOTTINGHAM Their principles in it as followeth Pr. WHen for the time you ought to be Teachers you have need that one teach you again which be the first Principles Answ How can you teach the first Principle of pure Religion when you deny the light that Christ hath enlighten every man that comes into the world withall And this may whole England witness and so your Doctrines that you have taught them and commandments are such as perisheth being not men sent of God so have not profited the people at all Pr. And you say False teachers this age is too full of and that you may henceforth be no more children tossed two and fro and you intreat to except a word from us your Ministers for what profiteth a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul Answ Who hath tossed people more up and down then you and carried them about with your windy doctrines and so the multitudes of the false teachers the world have been too full of you since the dayes of the Apostles who is more for gaining the whole world then you that calls your selves Ministers hath not and doth not your fruits declare it to the whole Nation in prisons there lies your fruits for where may people see the Priests fruits but in prisons And how your Congregations be all on heapes when any comes in the Name of the Lord amongst them and hath shewed that your Exhortation hath not profited the People at all Pr. We intreat you to take heed of that dangerous deceit in hoping to be saved by your own works or in any thing in our selves Answ He that believes hath ceased from his own works so not sayed by them and he that believes is saved and this belief is within him in Christ And the ingrafted word is able to save the soul and Christ the Saviour revealed and manifested within Pr. Out of the holy Scriptures Old and New Testament which it the word of God we may learn the true knowledge of God Answ The Jewes had Scriptures and did not know God nor Christ nor did not know themselves And the Scriptures is not the word but the words of God and so you teach Parishes and your children to lie as you may read in Exodus God spake all these words and said And whosoever shall add to these words Revelations and Christ saith my words And would you make people believe the Scriptures were but a word when they say they are words And Christ is the word as in the Revelation And so that which brings to the knowledge of God is the spirit And the Son reveals him Christ Jesus who is the light which doth enlighten every man that comes into the world and every man that comes into the world receiving the light Christ will reveal the Father to him Pr. There is three persons Father Son and Holy Ghost And we intreat you to take heed of the natural Popish conceit Answ The word three persons is the natural Popish conceit which is out of thy Father the Popes Canon-books where thou hast learned it but Father Son and Holy Ghost that is sound Scripture but thou canst not take it as it speakes but thou must add three persons to it so brings the plague upon thee Pr. There is many that have share in that salvation purchased by Christ Answ Christ was the offering for the sin of the whole world And he gave his body for the life of the whole world And he came a light into the world and doth enlighten every man that comes into the world he that dyed for the sin of the whole world was an offering for the sin of the world that all through this light might believe And so many are condemned for not believing that which they should believe in condemns them Pr. God works faith in us inwardly by his spirit and outwardly by his word Answ Here thou goest about to make the spirit and the word not one is not the word spiritual and Christ called the word who is the Author of the faith which mystery of it is held in a pure conscience and is not this word of faith in the heart Pr. The whole word of God in general is summed up in the Apostles Creed Answ Where hast thou been for the word Creed but out of the Masse-book and Popes Canon-book not out of the Apostles Epistles And the Apostles Epistles declares of the word and the Saints writings and saith it was in the beginning and saith the Letter kills for the Jewes had Letter and did not find the word in it but stood against it and you have the Letter the Apostles words but you do not find the word in it it speakes of the word the word was in the beginning and in the heart before the words Pr. Brethren be perfect be of good comfort no man can be made free from sin in this life Gods children have sin in them Answ The Devils doctrine is that men shall not be perfect while they are upon earth and all his Ministers but you that say they must be perfect and yet must have sin that makes them unperfect And the children of God that was born of God did not commit sin neither could they because the seed of God remained in them and they were made free from sin and had put off the body of sin as in Romans the 6. and John the 3. Pr. No man is able to keep the commands of God perfectly we break them dayly in thought word and deed And in all our best duties we are unprofitable servants Ans Here you shew that you do not love God for who loves God keepes his Commandments and love fulfills them and all your best duties and deeds be but unprofitable servants in that we do believe you So your Preaching is unprofitable praying unprofitable so you judge your selves out of your own mouths singing instructing praying all is unprofitable and they are
the slothful servants who are Reprobates to every good work but the Saints that prayed Preached sung in the spirit such was profitable that loved God and kept his Commandments which you that do not love God do not keep his Commandments So your fruits are unprofitable that keeps not the Commandments of God And there is your mark that you do not love him Pr. The Law is a rule for a believers life we must attend unto the Sacraments Answ Christ is the end of the Law for righteousness sake unto everyone that doth believe so Christ is the rule who ends the Law to believers And thy Sacraments must go again to the Common-Prayer Book to the Masse-book the Scripture doth not teach us those words as Sacrament and Creed but the old Masse-book thou art running to it and so leaving the Scriptures So thou art judged with the life of God Pr. Who are ordained lawfully or called to the Ministry Ans Your ordination and call is by men contrary to the Apostles and Christ who saith not by man nor of man and Christ saith pray to the Father that he may send labourers into the vineyard and such you persecute And thou saiest there is two Sacraments in the Gospell which the Apostles tells us of no such thing but the Pope in his Masse-book Pr. We may not learne for to seek for happinesse in this life these words I command thee this day shall be in thy heart to teach thy children and to talke of them in thy house Ans These words hath spoken long in your hearts therefore have you led the world in wickednesse but the children of God findes happinesse in this life being changed from the old in this life for they find God and they finde Christ and find rest for their soules And who is in Christ is a new creature and such hath happinesse Pr. This forme of sound words taken out of the best and soundest Catechismes that we could meet withall and our mouth is opened boldly Ans This is your forme of unsound words and if this be the best stuff you can find out of your best Catechismes it is pittifull durty darke stuff and you had better have kept your mouth shut If this be your Catechismes they are for the fire the children of light who are come into the light comprehends and sees the Cathchismes and you both and you are to be Catechised and if you will but read over the Priests and professors Catechisme you may learn some thing out of it This is a ralation of some perticulars and principles affirmed by some of the Priests of Bishop-rick at a publike dispute in Branspirth Castle upon the 21. day of the 7th moneth 1658. Pr. JOsias Dorker affirmed that immediate Revelation or inspiration is not to be expected in these daies Ans Then you are from the spirit that saith so which the spirit of God doth reveale you are them that have ravened the false prophets and ante-christ that inwardly ravened from the spirit of God having the sheeps cloathing in the darknesse the King of the bottomlesse pit hath been your king for the King of Kings and Lord of Lords is not known but by revelation for none knowes the Son but the father and he to whom he doth reveale him that showes that you be out of the feare of God for where the feare of God is God reveales his secrets but the feare God is now witnessed and the Son of God is now witnessed and revelations is now witnessed in our daies as it was in the Apostles but not amongst you who have inwardly ravened from the spirit of God which hath Apostatized from the Apostles Pr. That it is needlesse and also diabolicall that is to say divilish to expect any such thing now Ans And so you be in the diabolicall divilish that expects not that now which was in the daies of the Apostles and be out of the feare of God and the spirit which doth reveale and the Son you know not which said to them the Pharisees that knew him not they were of the devill and so he is known by revelation Pr. That they had the scripture and the Gospell as he confessed not from God but from men Ans You know not the scriptures nor no man upon the earth but as from God and the spirit as they did that gave them forth who learned them of God and so who knowes scripture must know revelation and the Gospell for they are known not but by the spirit which gave them forth Pr. That the Bible was the Gospel Ans The Gospell is the power of God which was before the scripture was written preached to Abraham many may have the Bible but the power of God the Gospell glad tydings which is to the salvation of every one that believes and the scripture is a testification of the Gospell of the glad tydings and it is not called the power of God and Christ is called the power of God and the Gospell and many had scripture but would not come to Christ the power of God and so not to the Gospell Pr. That the flesh of Christ is not in them Ans The saints eate his flesh and they that eate his flesh hath it within them Pr. That Christ had and hath a carnall body Ans And Christs body is not carnall but spirituall the first man was of the earth earthly the second man is the Lord from heaven heavenly and is a glorious body and the saints are made like unto his glorious body therefore the first state is carnall the second glorious so there is a naturall body and there is a spirituall body Pr. That Christ is now in heaven with a carnall body Ans Carnall indeed is death saith scripture and it saith that corruption must put on incorruption mortall immortality so Christs body that is in heaven is a glorious body a and not carnall nor of the flesh corruptible Pr. That Christ hath a carnall humane body united to his divinity Ans And carnall humane is from the ground humane earthly the first Adams body and Christ was not from the ground let all people read what thou saist but he was from heaven his flesh came down from above his flesh which was the meat his flesh came downe from heaven Pr. That Timothy retained his ministry not from God but from Paul Ans Timothy did retain his ministry from God and knew the gift that which he did retain from Paul was not as man but Timothy was in the faith which Christ was the author of and he had the gift which every good and perfect gift comes from God and this was not by man nor of man Pr. That there it as much difference between a body and a spirit as there is between light and darknesse Ans Christs body is spirituall and that which is spirituall does not differ from the spirit and so there is a spirituall body and there is a naturall body and there is a
him by true faith Ans Salvation is purchased to all men that perished in Adam though they do not believe it for he is the Saviour of all men especially of them that do believe and an offering for the sin of the whole world mark the world and doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world that all through him might believe and he that believes not is condemned by Christ the light the life the sacrifice the offering that through death that which in them was the power of death the Devill he destroyed and his power and so entred into his glory all that believe in him have life and all that doth not and receive him not hath not life but are condemned through unbelief Now if if you say that in Adam all dyed I say yes and in Christ all shall be made alive to the Justification of life I say yes as in Adam all dyed as in Christ they come to be made alive so them that are the believers are the holy so the believers children a new creation a new generation new creatures out of Adam in the fall the believers passed from death to life that came by Adam and so in that is a cleane creation and holy generation Pr. All things contained in the Gospell is summed up in the Apostles Creed Ans The Apostles doth not tell us of a creed but the Popes Canon-book and common prayer book and many things the Apostles had to say which was not lawfull to utter and many things Christ had to say they could not beare but the Gospell is the power of God and that the scripture speakes of but doth not say the Epistles is it Pr. God hath manifested himselfe in his word that these three distinct persons are one Ans The word nor the scripture doth not tell us of three distinct persons but it tells us of Father and of Son and of Holy Ghost but indeed as I said before the Popes canon book and Masse-book doth so for the Holy Ghost is not distinct from the Son and the Son is not distinct from the Father but they are all in one Pr. Having our chief hope placed in God being assured that nothing may with draw us from his love Ans Yet you say you are not able to keep the commandements of God perfect then you are drawne from the living God and you are from the chiefest hope Christ for who loves God keepes his commandements and such have the chiefest hope Christ in which the commandement ends here the love goes forth out of the pure heart but is not riches your hope and doth not riches and the glory of the world and the fashions thereof drew your hearts away and your love and hope stand in them and hath taken up the possession of your hearts more then God therefore who keeps them not perfectly keeps them not at all Pr. You say Christ hath ransomed your bodies and your soules from sin and by that one sacrifice of his body he hath redeemed you Ans Are your bodies redeemed and your soules that are immortall and your spirits sanctified and do you glorifie God in your bodies soules and spirits which is the Lords and is there not sin in your bodies and are not your spirits corrupted now who witnesses redemption of the body and soule from sin these are out of the first Adams state and are the holy ones and these be in the end of the law and that which fulfills the Law Christ Jesus but now if you come to say that you have sin in your bodies and the fruits will shew it selfe to persecute or envy rage malice pride or such wickednesse this shewes not the fruits of Redemption Pr. You say That God in Christ hath put out the remembrance of your sins and of your corruptions within you wherein you must fight all your life time Ans Whilst the sins you are fighting withall are not blotted out in your own particulars this is not the life of the Saints they are not fighting all their life time but come to the kingdome of God witnessing sin and iniquity blotted out the everlasting covenant of peace and life with God Pr. You say You are righteous before God through faith though your consciences accuse you for your trespasses against the commands of God being prone to evil yet notwithstanding imbrace the benefits of Christ as if you never had committed any sin or corruption and this is as if you your selves had perfectly compleated the obedience Ans Where the conscience accuses it is impure and that the true faith is out of for the mystery of faith is held in a pure conscience and that is it that receives Christ and which is not prone to evil nor transgresseth the commands of God but you are out of the perfect obedience and out of the faith both and are in the corruption are not the lovers of God nor come to Christ the end of the commandements which is loved in a pure heart and whereas you talke of conscience accusing and yet faith that is your ignorance for faith is held in a pure conscience the conscience doth not accuse but the unsanctified Pr. Not that we please God through the worthinesse of our faith for our works the best of them are imperfect in this life defiled with sin Ans It is faith that brings men to please God which Faith comes from him and gives victory over that men have lived in and not pleased God so faith there is a worthinesse in it it is the gift of God by which men please God and have accesse to to him and they are justified and through it they overcome and subdue mountaines and raise the dead your best workes being imperfect and defiled with sin in this life then they are not wrought in God but out of him in the darknesse they are works of darknesse unperfect defiled with sin are not the workes of darknesse to be condemned for the fire and to be out of the Law and Gospell but the works the Saints works that are in the Faith wrought in love are perfect wrought in God created to good works these are distinct from the unperfect defiled with sin and these good workes the Saints witnessed when they were upon the earth which is the works of Faith which works by love Ans Infants that are baptized belong as well to the covenant and Church of God as they of full age they by baptism being grafted into the Church of God so discerned from the children of Infidels so this baptisme succeeds Circumcision Answ Then by this all Christendom that are baptized are the Church and grafted into the Church Papists and Protestants and all and how is it that your Church is so much in confusion then for you say they are grafted into the Church of God and in the Church of God there is no confusion it is the Pillar and ground of truth without spot or wrinkle and how is it there is such killing
seek after other mens goods An. Then are you not all found in this seeking after other mens goods and endeavouring by force and hath not this been many of your practices both by Sea and Land of many people in the whole Christendom and been found in this witchcraft as you say as you speak of and is not all this to be judged with the spirit of the Lord God to be out of his commands and out of the love of God and Christ the end of the Law there-repent and amend all your wayes doings and lives that you may return to the Lord and find peace and rest in the time of need Pr. You say The ninth Commandment saith bear not false witness against any man and you should shun lying and not falcifie any mans word nor backbite nor reproach and shun all careles kind of lives c. Answ How is it then there are so many false witnesses backbiters reproachers rash condemners men living in such careless kind of lives and deceit among you which is the devils works this is all out of the commands of God and the Law and short of Christ the end of it and the fruits of this now hath shewed it self Pr. You say No one that is converted unto God perfectly observes and keepes his Commandments Answ Then no man loves God amongst you nor are you converted neither are you of the seed of the woman that keepes the commands of God neither are you the children of God that Johns speaks of that keepes the Commandments of God that love God neither are you the believers for Christ is the end of the Law to them that believes Pr. You say There is no man in this life able to keep the Law of God and why then should Gods Law be so exactly and severely Ans The law of God is just is not so exact nor so severely but is just and equal and righteous and perfect and good and not as you look upon it exact and severe now Christ the righteousness of God is the end of the Law and the man that loves God keepes his Commandments and comes to the end of the commandments that is love out of a pure heart Pr. You say Christ teacheth you to call God Father in the beginning of your prayers Ans Christ taught that to his Disciples which were his children his sheep but that was not spoken to the world that did not believe in the light that enlightens every man that comes into the world for the Pharisees could call him Father and Lord but did not the things he commanded them and such Christ said were of the devil and such their prayers he rebukes the Disciples could pray this in truth so you must be born again of God not committing of sin when you call God Father like him else you are Bastards begotten of the wicked one children of the transgressor sons of the Sorcerer the Prophet speaks of children of God distinct from such that call him Father in the transgression applyed to God which he hath not begotten the birth in the transgression the transgressors birth that is a Bastard a false conception Pr. You say Forgive us as we forgive them that trespasse against us Answ Is it so do ye do so and would you be forgiven no otherwise but as ye forgive others that hath trespassed against you would you have God forgive you no otherwayes who trespasseth against him but as you forgive the trespasses against you mark whether you would have as you say and whether here be not justice and whether you can witness you are forgiven that doth not forgive others whether you have the assurance within you Pr. You say The particle Amen means the things sure out of doubt for your prayers is much more certain heard of God then you feel in your hearts that you unfeignedly desire the same Answ Amen or so be it for the promise is to the seed yea and Amen which fetches up the seed out of time who hath been in prison in time and brings it by the power of God thither where there is no time and there is yea and amen and the Lord accepts no prayer from the corrupt heart or such whose works are sinful their best works are sinful for the praying is in the spirit the Lord accepts and Preaching singing hearing and tasting discerning handling and feeling the Lord knowes the mind of the spirit where it groans which spirit guiding the man it gives him an understanding of the signification of it and so every man being reproved with the spirit if he hears it and be at unity with it and turn to it it will bring him to turn to God and be at unity with God and here his prayers be acceptable to him and so every man being enlightned that comes into the world every man being turned to the light Christ hath enlightned him withall he is turned to Christ from whence it comes which brings him to know Christ and to ask in his Name who is the way to the Father and is in the Father who is God Immanuel Christ Jesus and so forth to the end Robert Tuchin Iohn Barnes Edward Buckler Robert Dingly James Crosswick Iohn Martine Vincent Sparke Joshua Tompkins Simon Pole Tho. Clarke William Harby Martin Wells Wil. Bignall Rich. Beminster Mathew Hearne Their Princples are as Followeth who are Teachers in and about the Island of Weight and these 15. Priests are in the rear of the Army of Babylon against the Lamb. Pr. THat the good tidings which the glorious Gospell of Jesus Christ brings to sinners was first heard at Jerusalem Ans The Goâ—pel which is the power of God which is the glad tidings to sinners was preached to Abraham before ever it was heard at Jerusalem and the shepherds in the field received the message of the good tidings of the glorious Gospell from the Angell which was sent to them of the Lord who said Behold I bring you good tidings of great Joy and this was before the Gospell was heard at Jerusalem and all the Fathers and Prophets that heard the power of God they heard the Gospel for the Gospel is the power of God glad tidings to the seed and great joy to the poor captives and this Gospell was preached to Adam the seed of the woman was promised to bruise the Serpents head and that was and is the power of God the glorious Gospell but as for such as knowes no Gospell in manifestation nor apparation but onely the scriptures which doth but declare of the Gospell they shew that they are without in the world and hath no other knowledge of the Gospell but naturall knowledge which is not unto eternall life nor can edefie the body of Christ which is immortall Pr. The good tidings which the glorious Gospel of Jesus Christ brings to sinners was a great mercy to the Jewes a very gratious dispensation to us sinners of the Gentiles Ans The good tidings the glorious Gospell is in it selfe a
by revelation for no man knows Christ but by revelation And all that ever own Christ they must own the light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world to be the covenant of God which light men are to believe in which not believing in they are reprobated And thousands and thousands I do believe you who have had the sheeps cloathing upon the back of them and so have covered the Wolfe with it Neither you nor they never knew the revelation of the Son of God and so never know the son of God untill he be revealed and so hath not the knowledge of him The Scriptures testifie of him but they that had the Scriptures knew him not but who was in the light and in the Covenant and so ye have all discovered your selves in the apostacy apostatized from the Apostles spirit and all to be the false spirits gone out into the earth into the world for means for maintenance and so ye are all puft up in your pride and so that makes all your doctrine to be so dry and so barren there being no revelation among you nor no immediate speaking from God and Christ but feeding people with the husk with the outside And have proved your selves here to be but the Wolfe in the sheeps cloathing inwardly ravened from the spirit But with it ye are comprehended and if it had not been so you would never have published your folly to the Nation But the spirit of love and humility and meekness which bears all things comes to be known by the spirit Pr. For people to be led with a light within this is to make the Scriptures uselesse Ans No this lets see the Scriptures in their place and the fulfilling of them which was given forth to be believed practised read and fulfilled not for men to make a trade of them and call people from the Light within with which they should see the Scriptures and none comes into Covenant with God with their hearts and their minds that they need not say one to another know the Lord that they may be always living under mans teaching Pr. How clear say they the Scripture is that faith cometh by hearing and not by minding the light within Answer Doth any man know Christ but by the Light within And is not Christ the Word Can any see without the Light the Word Doth it not make manifest Nay doth it not give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus read 2 Cor. 4.1 from whence faith comes and so faith comes by minding the light within Christ the author of it and brings to look as him and hear him Prin. And Multitudes were converted by those faire Epistles written by the Spirit Answ None are converted but who be in the spirit that gave forth those Epistles though they may have all the Epistles For that hath been the Papists and your convertings who hath had the Epistles by the Epistles out of the life since the dayes of the Apostles and so made proselites Pharisee-like For that baptizeth and that circumciseth for in that is the fellowship and the unity People as I said to you before may get the sheeps cloathing as ye have long time been covered with but inwardly ye have been ravening wolves as your fruits have declared as the Northern part of the nation may make it manifest The witnesse in all your consciences shall answer for me and let you see that your own words are your burden and an heavy cry will come upon you when ye feel it who now are fat and full and fresh and lusty but a day of requiring is coming and inquisition is made for the blood that hath been shed of all the Prophets Martyrs and Saints since the dayes of the Apostles and the prisoning and the persecuting by you and your off-spring got up since the dayes of the Apostles the false spirits that went out into the world that are now standing against the light which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world So marks that you be inwardly ravened and that you be the Antichrists and the false Prophets you are not like to own the light in every man who are ravened from it and are turned against them that walke in the light and keep the testimony of Jesus Here is the Beast and the false Prophet that makes war against the Saints and overcomes them for a time but the Lamb and the Saints must have the victory And you about Newcastle Ministers and Teachers are like to a heap or dunghil sogged and mudded but come to the witnesse else eternally you will be condemned Pr. They say Blessed are they that heare the Word and keep it which is a word spoken and written not the eternall word It is a notion of the Word of God to call the Word of God a Declaration And the holy Scriptures is able to make men wise unto Salvation to the Law and Testimony Ans To the Law and to the Testimony The law is light saith Solomon And the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy And many may have the Old and New Testament and yet be out of the Light and out of the Testimony as you and so out of the spirit of prophecy For Isaiah had the testimony before Matthew Mark Luke John and the Revelations was written and bid them come to the Law and to the Testimony and you that do not speak according to that rule it is because you hate the light in you And the Scriptures Luke calls them a Declaration who was a Minister of the Word and the Scriptures are the words of God and the words of Christ and so not the Word but the words which the Word Christ fulfills So ye are men not capable nor of a true understanding to divide the word aright nor to speak a word in season to the wearyed but do all lead the halt and lame and blinde out of the way who for so doing must find misery Again they that hear the Word of God they hear that which lives and doth endure for ever and this Word is eternall which lives and doth endure for ever which they have within them and with that they see the words and letters and writings or outward Tables may be broken but still the Word remains That ever the Ministers of Newcastle should say that the Scriptures are able to make men wise unto salvation and leave out faith you are no more made wise then the Pharisees was with the Scriptures without faith The Pharisees were not made wise unto salvation by the Scriptures without the faith neither are you But who are in the faith they are made wise to salvation through the Scriptures and comes to Christ the end of them for it gives to see the Scriptures and in it in the faith is the unity which Scribes and Pharisees and Apostates are out of Pr. That a mediate call since the time of the Apostles and
became the Curse and tooke away the Curse who is the sanctification and brings the blessing and redemption by whom and through whom are many entered into the Paradise of God and have the right to the tree of Life And they are not come into this who are yet in the disobedience the unbeliever and lyar and reviler and whoremonger and Adulterer hates the light in the disobedience and cannot touch the tree of life for the sword turns every way upon them And as for all thy hard expressions and reviles in thy Book they come from the Disobedience over which the sword is that keeps it in awe over whom goes the higher power and that cannot touch nor taste of the tree of Life in the Paradice of God in the Ancient of Dayes thou shalt feel my words to be truth Robert Simpson Robert Parnell John Andrews Thomas Ewen Bryan Hanson and Richard Moon In their Book called The Church of Christ in BRISTOL recovering her VAILE Their Principles as followeth Answ It is a true word to you And that you are recovering the vaile more then the life and substance that takes away all vails as your Principles that follows in your Book makes it manifest Pr. YOu say Now the spirit speaketh expresly that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of Devels And also of your own selves shall men arise speaking perverse things and draw many Disciples after them And they went out from us it is manifest they are not of us 1 John 2 c. Ans You have brought these words to shew your ignorance for the Apostles saw such as should depart from the faith and the false Prophets and Antichrists that Christ said should come John saw was come and went forth from them before the Apostles decease And they went forth from the Church and departed from the faith in which faith the Church had unity and this they apostatized from which since the dayes of the Apostles they have had the sheeps cloathing and so got up an imagined Church with a vail on it in the apostacy and these were they that drew Disciples after them which caused the way of truth to be evill spoken of and the seducing spirits and the doctrine of Devills have been up since the dayes of the Apostles which they saw come in before their decease and such went from the faith in which is the unity And thus they be in the enmity destroying one another persecuting one another prisoning one another about Religion and Church Doctrine and Scriptures and Christs and the Prophets and Apostles words which shew they be out of unity with God with the Scriptures and there you are and out of the faith that works by love by which they should heap coals of fire on the heads of all the adversaries And so this is the dawning of the day the ending of the night of apostacy you who be of the skirts of the great Whore are seen as you have manifested by your tale you have told to the world in your Booke who stiles your selves The Church of Christ which is made up by the Letter How want ye the life the Saints lived in that gave forth the Scriptures Oh! ye want the covering of the spirit of the Lord God And now are all your spirits and men departed from the Faith and false Prophets that should inwardly raven that Christ said should come that got the sheeps cloathing but inwardly ravening wolves whose fruits should declare them which John saw was come which went forth from them which led the world after them and the false Apostles and Satans Ministers and messengers which the Apostle saw come up before his decease These since the dayes of the Apostles have been the guides and leaders of the world and Teachers and gatherers of people into Names into Heads into Horns whereby one hath been against another that they have gathered people out of peoples and brought people to a head and not to Christ and yet all have professed themselves Christians So they have had the sheeps cloathing but inwardly ravened from the spirit of God and so have been Wolves cloathed with the sheeps cloathing tearing the Lambs to pieces yea and many Gaots and Beasts too sometimes which the fruits of this hath declared sufficiently since the dayes of the Apostles and in this Nation And these have deceived the world and have been the wrestlers against flesh and blood strikers at the Creature such as have departed from the faith ravened from the spirit went forth from the Apostles had sheeps cloathing such have been the Teachers and gatherers into Sects and Names and Heaps and every one will cry his Church his Church and all against the light which comes from Christ where the Church stands But now he is redeeming and recovering that which hath been lost since the dayes of the Apostles in this night of the Apostacy The light is come the night is gone the Lamb and the Saints are going on conquering and to conquer The Throne of the Lamb is set up and all those false Prophets Beasts Antichrists and mother of Harlots great Whore and Kings of the Earth and the Devill are making War against the Lamb and the Saints Now are all the Antichrists appearing and are in armes and rising against Christ and his light The Lamb is on the white Horse who slayes with his Sword which are the words of his mouth and the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory Glory in the highest and rejoyce ye holy Prophets over her Pr. They say The mysticall body may sometimes be subject to distempers and humours and wants page 1. Answ Are you Judges Can you judge of the mysticall body which the Saints are baptized into Is their humours wants and distempers in the body which the Saints are baptized into Is not the wants humours distempers in your body Do you here in this divide the word aright Distinguish things in the ground and speak aright of things and yet ye would not be judged and say Judge not and is not mysticall spirituall Pr. You say The Scriptures are the word of God Answ The Scripture saith it selfe the Word is God Christ whose name is called the Word of God and the Scriptures are words the words of God the words of Christ the Declaration which the Ministers of the Word set forth which words ends in Christ the Word who fulfills them And it is called the Scriptures of Truth which cannot be broken and so ye do not speak as the Church did that gave forth Scripture And the spirit of God was the rule that led them to speak forth the Scriptures which brings to know the right use of them again Pr. They say To call that light in every man Christ is to slight Christs glorious person in heaven and to nullifie it Ans In this have not you shewed your ignorance And to be them that went forth from the Apostles and
man that cometh into the world they be in the errour out of the Covenant of God and strangers from the covenant of promise Prin. He saith It is an Errour to say the letter of Scripture is carnall page 22. Answ The letter of Scripture paper and inke we cannot say it is spiritual but that which it speaks of is spiritual Pr. He saith It is an errour to say they are perfect and without sin page 23. And another errour to say that none can come to God and Christ but they that come to perfection Ans Whoever comes to Christ and comes to God he comes in the one offering which hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified who ever comes to Christ comes to him that is perfect and without holinesse none can see him And they that pretend coming to God and Christ out of perfection they be in the errour and all sin is errour and who be in it be in the errour which the Apostle said that they were made free from sin and had put off the body of sin and by the blood of Christ was cleansed from all sin and by one offering he had perfected for ever them that are sanctified And so they that say men must have sin while they be upon the earth and that plead for it they are not the friends of Christ For who are the friends of Christ be in his power a top of the power of sin trample it under foot Pr. He saith That the Scripture is the Word And though Christ be the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world yet that light in every man doth not direct a man into the worship and service of God though it be the true light of Christ page 35. Answ Nothing can direct men into the worship and service of God but the true light for the light is that which doth let them see and is that which doth make manifest which every man that cometh into the world is enlightned withall which he hating it and not come to it because his deeds be evill that will be his condemnation And that thou shalt feel it heavy at the last though now thou mayst roar and rage for a time yet the bond is gone over thee the Chaine is set and the sentence is given Pr. He saith It is an errour of such as leave Water-Baptisme and breaking of Bread page 38. Ans Doth not the Apostle bring people off of those things that are seen And is not outward water and outward bread the things that are seen And are not these things temporall though these things in their places and service is owned But who comes into the baptisme of the spirit they come into the one in which all the other ends the greater For there was many come to John but when they should have come to receive Christ the Light which doth enlighten every man c. they stood against him as you do now And Christ told them they received honour one of another as you do now a mark of the unbeliever and the love of God was not in them and the Word of God was not abiding in them and they had never heard the voyce of God nor seen his shape at any time And there are you like unto the Jews whose Table is a trap sticking in the outward things standing against the light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world and so stumbling at the Corner-stone elect and precious But it is fallen upon your heads and will grinde you to powder fight bustle and do all all that ever you can do it is upon you and all your complements will do you no good And none seeks the honour that comes from above but who be in the light that doth enlighten every man c. And none honours the Son but who be in the light that comes from him though they have all the Scriptures as the Pharisees had in their age Pr. He saith Errour in life doth not prove errour in judgement page 46. Answ Who erres in the life erres in the judgement For all that erres in the judgment they are from the life from it erred And all the Pharisees that had Scriptures yet from the life being erred they all erred in their judgement and knew not Christ the substance of Scriptures So all you that be in errour in life you erre in your judgement you all stumble at the light with which Christ doth enlighten every man c. And none be out of the errour of life but who be in the light which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world and out of the errour of conversation Pr. He saith That the Quakers foam at the mouth c. Ans It 's a shame that ever men should lose their sobernesse and come to be a shame to all modesty that so many that do call themselves Teachers in this Nation should publish such odious lyes and untruths to the Nation And how the Quakers have hung Ribbons upon one another and given Ribbons to one another as instance G. F. should have from M F. Oh! that ever modesty should be so lost and shamefastnesse quite gone which should have been a garment to have covered impudency That ever men and Teachers of people and professors should make lyes their refuge But I say the Lord forgive you for all these things shall be your owne burthen and a heavy burthen is come upon you and coming upon you all in the Nation that trusts in lyes But what if you should see every man with his hand on his thigh in paine to be delivered Pr. He saith The Prophet that shall presume to speak a word in my name and I have not commanded him to speak he shall dye See page 26. Ans Here thou hast brought thy selfe and you all under thy own judgement and given sentence upon your selves and all the rest of the Teachers that say they never heard the voyce of God immediately from heaven nor immediate inspiration nor revelation So ye all want the spirit of God and are out of it that the Prophets and Apostles were in and with it all judged Though ye may run in pretence of his name with the forme and say ye never heard his voyce but that Prophet shall dye thou saith So thou hast judged your selves and there be all you Teachers in the apostacy since the dayes of the Apostles Pr. And Christ said many deceivers should come in his name and deceive many and such as serve not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own bellies And with good words and faire speeches deceive the hearts of the simple See Title page Answ Christ said in Matth. 24. and in Matth. 7. that false Prophets should come and Antichrists which before the Apostles decease they saw them then come and such as served not the Lord Jesus Christ but their own bellies which went forth from the Apostles which in the Revelation John saw the whole world gone after them and
the Father and over it gives victory And the word material the Apostle doth not call it so but precious and Jerusalem is come down from heaven and witnessed among the Saints heavenly Jerusalem and the Babes knowes their mother And who are in Christ and Christ in them see it possesseth it But all such as are against the light within which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world are the Antichrists the false prophets the wolves which have gotten the sheepes cloaâ—â—ing which may deceive the world but not the elect as thy book hath declared â—hee And such Christ said should come and John saw was come and since the dayes of the Apostles the world hath gone after them And they inwardly ravened from the light and so have gotten the Kingdoms of the earth into a profession and form which are now standing against the Light within and gathering against the Lamb and the Saints that are in the light and is the light which they ravened from making War against them but the Lamb and the Saints shall get the victory Pr. He saith And the righteousness of God wrought by Christ for us which need not to be wrought over again in us pag 58. And that Christ our Justification should be in us that dyed and suffered that ascended this he cals a fancy to fancy him in a particuler person Page 59. Answ Whosoever hath not Christ within are Reprobates and whosoever hath Christ within hath the righteousness Now Christ that suffered Christ that was offered up is manifest within and the Saints are of his flesh and of his bone and eat his flesh and drink his blood and not another The Christ that ended the Priesthood ended the offering ended the Temple ended the Law and the first Covenant the seed of God Christ Jesus this manifest within he that hath him hath life Justification Sanctification and Redemption And so Christ the same to day yesterday and for ever who is the hope and the Author of their faith And so all be in the fancy that be out of the state of witnessing Christ that suffered within them and rose again and who be in this they be out of the fancy and shadowes and comes to see where there is no changing but possesseth righteousness glory substance the end of their faith and Christ their hope that remains that abides Pr. He saith There is something of God in man that will render the light which the Quakers speakes of natural Page 67. Answ That which is of God in man captivated viz. life and immortality who are not come to the light will not render the light when he cometh to it through the Gospel naturall which the darknesse now cannot comprehend though in it it shines and that of God in man will not call Christ the light naturall which the Quakers speaks of Pr. He saith Yee may remember in the last times false Christs and false Prophets shall arise and shall bring in damnable heresies c. and will shew signes and wonders and if it were possible they would deceive the very Elect. And such as follow strong delusions and believe lyes and be damned who obey not the Truth nor receive it in the love of it page 68. Answ Christ said false Prophets should come Antichrists should come with signes and wonders which the Apostles saw was come which inwardly ravened and went forth from them which since the dayes of the Apostles they have got the sheeps cloathing and the world is gone after them and have deceived the world by their lying signes and wonders and have brought them to be all on heaps about Religion And the damnable heresie and the lying signes and wonders and strange delusions yee may look into the whole Christendome among your selves and your own stock of Papists For none obeys the Truth but who owns the Light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world which cometh from Christ the truth and all false Prophets are from that and all Antichrists are from that which hath reigned since the dayes of the Apostles in the apostacy and inwardly ravened have gotten the sheeps cloathing which have made war against the Saints and overcome them but now to that which they ravened from are the Saints come And the woman hath been in the wilderness and the man-child is brought forth to rule the Nations with a rod of Iron And all such now that inwardly ravened from the Light are standing up against the Lamb and the Saints But the Lamb and the Saints have the victory and the rejâ—ycing over the Beast and false Prophet is come who kills and slayes with the sword which is the words of his mouth And the Saints which are with him their weapons are spiritual And none lifts up the Son of God as the Serpent was lifted up in the Wildernesse but as every one is in the Light that the Son of God hath enlightned him withall and then they know him that draws all men after him Thomas Moor In his Booke called An Antidote c. Are these Principles following Pr. HE saith God doth not give the Revelation of these things now immediately as he did by the first Apostles nor in such manner as he did to the Prophets of old See his Epistle Answ All that have the Scriptures and are Ministers and not by the same power and spirit as the Apostles was in knows not the Scriptures and all who be in it are in the immediate and in that which reveals and in that which fathoms all the Ministers of the Letter who saith God doth not give forth now immediately as he did to the Prophets and Apostles Since the dayes of the Apostles in the apostacy such as have ravened inwardly from the spirit of God the time of Antichrist Beast and false Prophets reign and the mother of Harlots who have had the sheeps cloathing such immediate Revelation hath been hid from them and such should continue untill the words of God was fulfilled and the fulfilling of the Prophets But now is the fulfilling of the words of God and that come into which the Prophets and Apostles was in with which that is seen and known and him that hath been slain from the foundation of the world Pr. He saith To looke to the Light within that is in opposition to looking at Jesus That the light in every man is naturall And if yee turne your eye inward ye shall presently see their mover and teacher and this he calls foolish and Antichristian And saith That no man hath in him as of him that light spirit and wisdome in the inward parts See his Epistle Answ All upon the earth that ever comes to the knowledge of the glory of God they come to the light in them which doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world which light was before any naturall lights was made or created which light gives the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus and
of Harlots And so they served their bellies when they went from the immediate teaching into the strong delusion as since the dayes of the Apostles it hath discoverâ—d it How are people all on heaps out of the life and spirit and power of God And so all that perish in the deceiveablenesse of unrighteousnesse they are from the light which Christ doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world withall for none perisheth who be in the Light And the Saints witnessed they were risen with Christ and them that were risen sought the things that were above and not the things upon the earth And they that know the first Resurrection and are in it are blessed the second death hath no power on them and they are a top of Adam and they are in Christ the resurrection and the life And such as be in the first Adam drove from God and loveth to live in the Fall looks not after the first Resurrection neither desire to come into it Pr. He saith The glorious bringing down of the Kingdome and glory is yet to be waited for even by the Disciples all the time of this mortality page 54. All believers are personally from Christ in their mortall bodies and none of the Fathers saw the day of Christ as actually revealed accomplished in their time Ans He that believes is born of God and overcomes the world and abides in the doctrine of Christ and hath the Son and the Father and the spirit of Christ the life of Christ in the mortall flesh And the Kingdome of heaven Christ said was in the Pharisees and the Saints comes to and possesseth the Kingdome And the Kingdome of heaven is within them is in righteousnesse in peace in joy in the holy Ghost and in power and they were changed from glory to glory and they rejoyced with joy unspeakable and full of glory and that was in the Kingdome and this was while they were upon the earth And Enoch and Abraham saw the day of Christ and David saw the betrayer and whose feet should be snared whose eyes should be blinded and whose back should bow down and he saw Judas that betrayed Christ And Isaiah saw the suffering of Christ and how God laid the iniquity upon him And Isaiah saw his name and made his soule an offering for sin And Daniel said the Messiah should be cut off but not for himselfe which the Apostles witnessed fulfilled Pr. He saith The Scriptures is the power of God unto salvation page 59. Answ Many may have the forme but deny the power of God which is the Gospell And the Letter doth not give life neither is it the power of God unto salvation Pr. He saith That Christ is distinct from every one of us and without us in our particular persons page 61. Answ The Apostle said Christ was in them except they were reprobates and they were of his flesh and of his bone and they eate his flesh and drank his blood then it was within them and he is distinct from none but Reprobates who hates the Light Pr. Nor are we to wait for a further Revelation to us to be given forth then the Scriptures For the Word of GOD came not first to the Gentiles immediately but to the Apostles page 77. Answ The Apostles that preached the Word of God it was immediate to whomsoever they preached it for they had received it immediately For the Word it selfe is immediate for it is the savour of death to the death and of life to the life and none knows the Scriptures but by the spirit that doth reveal them So all that witnesse the spirit of God witnesse the Revelation and the revealing of the Scriptures to them by it and the things of God layd up for them that love God which the eye hath not seen which the eye may see the Scriptures outwardly And none knows the Son of God neither knows any man the Father but the Son and he to whom the Son reveales him And so people may have the Scriptures but not the revâ—lation of the Son of God by them For the Pharisees had the Scriptures but not the thing they testified of Pr. He saith The Scriptures are the Word of God and the key of knowledge page 79. and the opening of all things contained in the Scriptures Answ The Scriptures are the words of God and that is his Word who fulfils them Christ Jesus whose name is called the Word of God And that which opens the Scriptures is the spirit that gave them forth that is the key of David who in the light saw more light For the Pharisees who crucified Christ had that which testified of Christ the Scriptures And you that be in the apostacy since the days of the Apostles but ye want the key and have taken away the key of knowledge And all that dwells upon the earth that stops their eares and closeth their eyes against that of God in them that doth deny the light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world wants the key of knowledge Pr. He saith He gives gifts unto men for the work of the Ministery some Prophets some Evangelists some Pastors and Teachers for the perfecting of the Saints for the edifying of the body of Christ untill all come into the unity of the faith and the knowledge of the Son of God unto a perfect man Page 81. Answ And yet he said before Perfection was a devillish Doctrine and a fancy so out of this work and this Ministry thou hast thrown thy self For this work and this Ministery hath been lost since the dayes of the Apostles in the apostacy but now is appearing in the end of Babylon the knowledge of the Son of God people are coming to and the unity of the faith from among the Apostates who have had the sheeps cloathing but all on heaps about it being ravened from the spirit of God inwardly Among whom the Proclamation hath been in the Steeple-houses and Pulpits in Markets Towns Disputes No perfection no overcoming of sin Perfection is a Doctrine of Devils a devillish Doctrine and a fancy c. And this hath been proclaimed among the Apostates in the apostacy since the dayes of the Apostles by the Beasts authority under Satans power the deceiver of the Nations where the mother of Harlots is But I will reward her double and shall take the Devill and with him the Beast and false Prophet and cast them alive into the fire Rejoyce ye holy Prophets over her and Saints who are come into the unity of the Faith and to a perfect man and to the knowledge of the Son of God And the everlasting Gospel shall be preached to them that dwell upon the earth and God shall be feared and glory given to him And none comes to the knowledge of the Son of God the salvation to the ends of the earth the Covenant of Jewes and Gentiles untill they come into the light which Christ doth enlighten every one withall that
the Gospel from charge are not you six thousand men ashamed to Petition for a maintenance for your Ministers that you should publish in a Petition your nakedness to a supream power of a Nation that you are not able to maintain your Ministry that the Churches are not able to maintain their Ministers doth not this shew your beggarliness and to be of the seed that is begging bread which the Scriptures saith the righteous are not forsaken nor their seed begging bread and in this have you not shamed your Ministers that they have no better vineyards plowes and flayls or did ever the Apostles or their hearers when they came into a Nation Petition to the powers of the earth for means Pr. And ye say where any man will not do justly and pay the labourer the wages he owes him The Magistrate must see justice done or else I know not what he hath to doe Answ The Apostles Ambassadors and messengers of the Lord Jesus Christ which were to go to all the Nations to Preach the Gospel they had not a Law at the Magistrates hands to give them wages hale their hearers before them to give them wages or put up Petitions before every Supream of the Nation before whom they came this was not the work of the Apostles messengers and Disciples who were to go into all Nations to Preach the Gospel when they had Preached the Gospel to the Nation they did not Petition to the Supream powers of the Nation Powers or Principalities or Kings for maintenance from their hearers as you do now Oh! this stinks and shewes it is out of the power which the Apostles disciples and messengers of the Lord Jesus Christ were in For they would have made their Gospel to have stunk if they had come into all Nations to Preach the Gospel and then after they had Preached it if their hearers would not have given them maintenance to have Petitioned to the Supream authority of the Nation and have haled their hearers into Courts to Assizes Sessions and Benches would this have been glad tydings to the Nations or trouble to the Nations and have been but deceivers and pretenders of glad tydings and bringers of trouble to the Nation and seekers of themselves and for themselves and not to do the work which the Lord Jesus Christ sent them about Preachers of the Gospel that live of the Gospel might use their power and would not and the power of God is the same now as ever it was and it tries all the spirits that are gone out into the world which have Apostated since the dayes of the Apostles out of the Apostles power and now with the power the Apostles were in are they comprehended which are gone out of the power which the Apostles were in Pr. And ye speak of Jonas temptation and yet of your comfort in your studies Answ The power that Jonas was in ye are far off or them that are to divide the word aright but swallowed up in the great temptation of the world pride and covetousness in that are ye drowned and hard heartedness as the Goales in the Nation are your witness such as cannot give you maintenance and such as are moved of the Lord God to come and speak to you by you are cast into Goal which shewes that you are in another power then the Apostle was in who said quench not the spirit and the Prophet was in who said Limit not the holy One and denying prophesie so now your power and authority to your Ministry with the spirit of the Lord God is fathomed and you to be out of the spirit the Apostles were in and to be spirits that are gone out into the world and into the earth and fall and so you usurp the authority and usurp the Ministry in usurping the authority as your selves may see read the Scripture of the Prophets and Apostles and there read the fruit of your Ministry and Actions try them by plain Scripture Pr. Ye say that the Ministry hath no power to put you out of the Vineyard but to perswade others to do it Ans Are the Ministry in the Vineyard of God and have they no power have they no authority there in the Vineyard Are the Magistrates then to put them into the Vineyard and to take them out And all them that are labourers in the Vineyard must perswade to put into the Vineyard do not you in this shew your ignorance of the Apostles Doctrine and of their work who rebuked stopt the mouthes of gain-sayers had power to silence had power to try spirits had power to judge had power to defend Now have you not in this if you be Ministers dishonoured your power and authority and have shewed that you be out of the power and to be them that cryes to the mountains fall on us and hide us from the glorious presence of the Lord which is arising to shake terribly the earth Pr. So if the Ministers maintenance be taken away there is little likelihood of a Ministry long Answ It seems the maintenance hath been that which hath caused them to Preach and held them up so take away their maintenance down falls their Ministry But I say the power will stand and the Administration of the spirit and the hearing of Christ and the teaching of God if men take away all their maintenance and cast them into prison for speaking But this holding up of Ministers by maintenance is that which came up before the Apostles decease which taught for filthy lucres sake and through covetousness made merchandize of the people through the love of money they erred from the faith and pierced themselves through with many hurtful lusts and admired mens persons because of advantage and taught for gifts and rewards these were come up before the Apostles decease now these Teachers admired mens persons taught for filthy lucre the love of money and covetousness which the Apostle saw before his decease which since the world run after them take away their money and their lucre and their gifts see how long these will Preach Now have you shewed your Root your off-spring is found out Now the Apostle Preached and the Ministers stood up which judged the Root from whence ye are sprunge for your Root was come up before the Apostles decease And now try ye if maintenance be taken away there is no likelihood the Ministry will stand long And we say so too we know it take away your maintenance down falls the Preacher Therefore with Petitions are you troubling the Courts and Magistrates for your livelihood which if ye were true Ministers ye would be in the work in the Vineyard of God and would be ashamed of such things and with the power of God cover your nakedness and not be Beggars and Petition for outward things ye dishonour the power of the Lord God and cause his name to be blasphemed among the heathen And so for shame let your mouthes be stopt for ever for saying you are
Apostles and Christs words and minister of unrighteousnesse transforming your selves into the true ministers words whose soules is under the horrible delusions and misterious deceits under the observances oâ— the world who would beguile the soule that is not stablished but light is broke forth that few you can deceive and thy New-years gift is judged and proceeds from Cain and is his sacrifice from the earth for tâ—e Apostles saw such as was transforming into the false Apostles and false ministers he brings the saints to the light that shined in their hearts to give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ Jesus which you deny to the false transformed into their words and judged with their spirit which brought people to the light within and you bring them from it so from that which should give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Chriâ—â— Jesus Pr. The Devil is called the Prince of darknesse because he lives in the darknesse as to the apprehention of divine love an enemy to all the Image of God which is light and purity and the devil transformed himselfe into the likenesse of God under a faire pretence heavenly words selfe-denyall actions righteous conversations Answ This is like your fruits who hath deceived the people but is your divine love to the devill who is out of truth doth not Christ come to destroy him and his works and there is none that can apprehend the divine love of God but who be in the truth And the Devill cannot transforme himself to be like God not in his image nor in his righteousnesse that is out of truth and his conversation that is out of truth is altogether unrighteous and is but in the pretence of selfe-â—enyalâ— but is not the thing though he and you may get the words that be heavenly and stands against the light and Image of God and purity it selfe for all you be of the devil that doth deny the light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world for you come not into the truth which the devill is out of nor into the pure conversation which is in heaven and purity Pr. Thou saist Thou hast many occasions offered by the Quakers upon thy poor weake and sinfull heart the Lord hath filled my heart with moderation in giving my own once uncomfortable experiences Ans We believe thee that thy heart is weak and sinfull and a weak and sinfull heart is not filled with moderation and thy experiences which are uncomfortable are not the experiences of the Saints for the Saints experiences are comfortable and their heart is a pure heart that is filled with moderation and the Quakers will torment all sinfull and corrupt hearts for such the Lord is against and so be his Saints not to take his words into their mouthes Pr. Thou saist Thou hatest hypocrisie when thou livest in the light life and power of the first Adam and because the Quakers say they know my conscience better then my self I see they are acted through delusion I am able to to speak this truth from my own heart which is better known to me I do know that a naturall man may make a large progresse in the Gospel profession and conversation and that which the Quakers call back-sliding is my turning to my God Ans In the light and life and power of the first Adam as he was in the beginning thou art not in which he was in before the fall and the Apostles knew the state and condition of Jewes and Gentiles and people better then they did themselves and so doth the Quakeâ—s that be in their spirit and this is not delusion and thy owne heart yet thou dost not know as thou oughts nor the truth but first thou must come to the light that doth enlighten every man that comes into the world which is the truth and a naturall man doth not make a progresse into the Gospell nor doth not come into the conversation of it whilst he lives in the naturall estate and thy God thou art turned too which is the God of the world as all hirelings and diviners for money and teachers for filthy lucre did that went forth from the spirit of the Apostles and prophets and Christ and back-slided from them and so went from the true God and thou serves the God of the world for love of thy benefice and see if thou will not look upward and downeward and curse thy God Pr. I would have all the world to observe how that the Quakers that Anti-Christ hath cast that blindnesse upon their understandings for their reproving men sharply and rebukeing them crying woe to the hypocrites it s the devils policy to keep close to the scriptures I used arguments to people to look for the glorious way and discovery of the divine light and power to be brought forth among all the children of the most high O mystery Babylon of this delusion Ans Hears thy confession for the spirit of God where it is doth rebuke reprove sharplie and tell them that are hypocrites the woe is to them and the Quakers ante-christ cannot blind them they are come from under his power and authority but you are them that cannot feare reproof and the Lord may send a man as he did Philip to such a place and he not know what he shall do nor whom he shall speak to till he come to such a place and the devil is out of the life that gave forth scriptures though he and you may pervert the words who may get them but not own them as they speak and thou calls good evill and evill good for the children of the most high doth waite for the most glorious discovery of divine light and power which delusion and mystery Babylon is out of and so the Quakers is come to that which ante-christ is ravened from with that they comprehend him Pr. And thou saist These people that thou callest the Quakers will send most rayling accusations against the pillars of the Chuâ—ch of Christ Ans That is false but antichrists Church and his pillars which are waters which you call tongues which is your originall that Iohn calls waters the Quakers do judge according to truth and declare it in full power and majesty and can make it good which you call rayling which they deny for a company of greedy drumb dogs can never have enough that will prison and pesecute men till death for speaking to them and for meanes such as are apostatized from the true church and is a false Church who hath transformed themselves into the true Churchs words but now the true Church hath discovered you to be the false apostatized from the true and reigned since the daies of the Apostles Pr. I see no conviction the Quakers hath wrote by their speaking or any subjection of fear or love or any such thing wrought by them and to tell such that be praying reading or in meditation to say it is the power
Priest of Bothell Henry Foreside Priest of Lingiah James Nesmith Priest of Hambleton Robert Semple Priest of Losmahaga Thomas Garony Priest of Edenbrough John Burnet Priest of Hilbride Hugh Archballs Doctrine and Principles Priest of Stravan in Anandale These are his Principles as follow Pr. THat Christ hath not enlightned every one that comes into the world Ans Which is contrary to Johns doctrine John 1.9 Pr. That Christ doth enlighten none but those that do receive him Ans Contrary to John 3. speaking of them which hate the light and are enlightned and will not come to it because the light will reprove them so he that hates the light is enlightned and will not receive Christ Pr. That it is blasphemy to say that the true light doth enlighten and condemn the world Answ Contrary to John 1.9 3.19 that saith This is the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world And this is the condemnation of the world that light is come into the world Pr. To say that which reproves for sin is from Heaven is blasphemy Answ Contrary to John 16.8 which saith it is the spirit that reproves which comes from the Father and the Son which is from Heaven Pr. He cryeth up a natural light as Sun Moon and Stars and the light of Christ was before these was made and saith it is blasphemy to say they that did the things contained in the Law was blessed in the deed and the Apostle said the doers of the Law was justified and said he would leave the Friends that spake to him to the mercy of the people Answ Upon which they struck bitterly with books fists and stones to destroy but that some moderate people and Souldiers stayed the Persecution John Hume Priest of Lesmahaga His Principles as follows who got into a Steeple house and shut the door upon him thus he taught the people Pr. THat which was to be known of God was manifest by the the things that are created Answ Contrary to the Apostles doctrine Rom. 1.19 For whatsoever may be known of God is manifest in them for the invisible things of him from the Creation of the world are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made even his eternal power and God-head so that they are without excuse So with that of God in them they know the invisible things from the foundation of the world and with that they see the God-head Pr. That God was to be known by the things that were made as the Sun Moon and Stars Answ But Jesus Christ said Mat. 11 27. No man knowes the Father but the Son and he to whomsoever the Sun will reveal him and the heathens know not God nor the Jewes had not seen his shape And his servants and workmen did throw water stones and lime and persecuted and dirtted and abused the people called Quakers and threw a pan full of water in a Souldiers neck and he the said Priest never reproved them and these be the fruits of him and his own Family in stead of gravity well may the whole Parish be out of order when his own Family is thus So he is one that is reproved by the Apostles doctrine 1 Tim. 3. which saith If you cannot rule your own Family how can you take care for the Church of God Henry Foreside Priest of the Parish of Lingiah in Dunbarton-shire said in his Preaching to the people Pr. IF they had any Christian zeal they would stone them whom they call Quakers Answ It is the blinde zeal that stones not the Christian zeal that have the life of Christ for the Christian zeal is to pray for them that persecute Mat. 5.44 and not to stone them to love enemies it was the Jews zeal that took up stones to stone Christ John 8.59 they stoned Steven Acts 7.5.8 and stoned the Apostles Acts 14.19 In this the Presbytrians have proved their Christianity to be out of Christ and the Apostles Prin. If Paul and the rest of the Apostles had been alive they would have stoned the Quakers Answ Here all may see his work to be the envious man in Cains way Jude 11. who would murther and wrongs the Apostle who never taught nor intended any such doctrine but said Overcome evil with good Rom 12.21 and love bears all things 1 Cor. 13.7 Now see whose Minister this man is that cannot bear but would have them stoned and would have the Apostle as bad as himself which Apostle said Christ was his example who laid down his life for his enemies Rom. 5.8 who suffered the contradiction of sinners we will render evil to no man but say the contrary the Lord Jesus forgive them Luke 23.34 and the Apostle said they wrestled not against flesh and blood Eph. 6.12 but them and you that stone do ye not wrestle against flesh and blood But if the Apostles would have stoned would they not have wrestled against flesh and blood And if the Apostles should have stoned all that were contrary to their minds bidden the people stone them told them it was Christian zeal what work would they have made as the said Henry Foreside called Minister doth where would have been long suffering Gal. 5.22 and loving enemies Mat. 5.44 and where would he have had any to have converted and who would have been persecutors and who would have prayed for persecutors ye may see what a pit ye are fallen into and how should they have convinced gain-sayers Titus 1.9 and loved them when they had stoned them And this is the Presbyterians zeal of Scotland and not Christan zeal who would stone and stir up his Congregation to do so for Christ who is cloathed with zeal Isa 59 17. said Love your Enemies but ye are cloathed with madness and folly And the Apostle that was in his zeal according to knowledge said Overcome evil with good Rom. 12.21 and vengeance is the Lords and he will repay it Rom. 12.19 and love bears all things but his blind zeal cannot bear any thing but cryes stone them out of the way and so wickedly and devilishly calls it Christian zeal which is false that is the Devils zeal Now the Apostles wrestled not against flesh and blood but against the powers of darknesse Eph. 6.12 but the Presbyterians called ministers are striking against flesh and blood whilst ye would stone them whilst that time spirituall wickednesse lies within you So ye Presbyterian-Priests are as a troop of robbers that would murther in the way by consent Hos 6.9 James Dorram called Minister of Glasgow his principles Pr. THat the believers even the reall godly are not without sin in this life Ans Here is one that is charging the elect and laying sin to the elect that God justifies Rom. 8.33 that in the godly there should he sin Sin is out of the godly in the ungodly which turne the grace of God into wantonnesse and what good doth his preaching doe them if they must never be without
people and suffer it not to have liberty do you not do murther to the just of God in you in your own particulars and so then stop it in the general for opening its mouth with all your force and might and are you not murtherers there and do you not steal by Sea and Land and cozen and cheat and wrong one another nay do you not steal the words from your neighbour and the Prophets and the Apostles and Christ which you never came into the life of is not this called theft and robbery for you have not received it from the Lord God as Prophets as Apostles as his Son did and servants did so all your profession Church and Ministery stand in the robbery and have not received it as they did as the true Apostles and Prophets did and Ministers did ye all stand in the robbery and do not you covet your neighbours goods Oxen Cattel and servants and wife and one getting from another goods and getting servants one from another is not this out of the love in which the Commandment ends where there is serving one another in love and is not all covetous Idolaters out of the love shut in which the Commandment ends and hath not this been the practice in the whole Christendom coveting mens goods servants cattel and that which is not his is not that out of the Law and Gospel and out of a pure heart where the Commandment is done and known and that which it ends in is in Christ and love keepes the Commands of Christ they that love do not covet and they are not Idolaters Pr. We are not to make any images to be tollerated in the Churches and Chappels or figures of things made for it is not seemly for God will have his Church be taught by living Preaching Answ How is it that your Churches so called are so full of Pictures and images of Males and Females representing a figure of Adam and Eve the Apostles and Christ and your houses and signs of fish in the Sea and Lyons and others creatures upon the earth and of things as you imagine in heaven are not all these your inventions your works and inventions you have learned of the Papists and they from the heathen not from the Apostles and you have daubed your Churches and them flourished with your Pictures these things you call your Churches but the Church is in God which the gates of Hell cannot prevail against but a showre of rain or an earthquake or a great wind will prevail against your Church and the devil may come with his carnal weapons and throw it down but the Church of Christ the Pillar of truth is that the devil is out of Pr. You say a man may swear before a Magistrate and that this kind of swearing is ordained by Gods word therefore well used of the Saints and it is not lawful to swear by the Saints or other creatures Answ Here ye be out of the Doctrine of Christ who saith swear not at all and out of the Magistrates state the Apostle speaks of and out of Christs Doctrine and the Apostles and hath broken the commands of Christ and the Apostles Doctrine which saith swear not at all so you wrong Christ Jesus and the word of God you deny and though Abraham swear and Jacob and Joseph sware the Prophets and Moses swear David swore and the Angels swore and men in strife swear by the greater and the oath ended the strife and controversie amongst men yet Christ saith before Abraham was I am he reigns over the house of Joseph and Jacob he is the end of the Prophets he is the end of Moses he is the end of men of strife and brings peace on the earth the Angels must bow down to him that saith swear not at all who was before Abraham was and David called him Lord who was greater then Solomon and this is my beloved Son hear ye him now which of you hear him they said in the old time perform thy vows to the Lord this was the old time the day of Abraham David Prophets Moses Solomon but Christ who was before all time by whom all things was made the oath of God ends the time and saith swear not at all so doth his true Ministers and the Apostles above all things my brethren swear not at all neither by heaven nor by earth lest you fall into condemnation now here were true brethren that kept the doctrine of Christ and the Apostles and his commands which swearers break which are got up since the dayes of the Apostles which are the false brethren Apostatized from the true so now the fruits of false and true brethren are seen who keep the commands of Christ and walk in the Doctrine of the Apostles and who doth not Pr. You say That in the fourth Commandment God doth command that the Ministers of the Gospel and the Schools of Learning should be maintained and that on the Sabbath frequent studiously Divine Assembles hear the word diligently using the Sacraments Ans Your Schools your Sacraments your Sabbath your Studies by men you have made these since the Apostles your Ministers at your Schools and not by the Lord but among your selves Apostatized from his spirit for the Apostles had not Shools and the Apostles said let no man judge you in meats or drinks new Moons and Sabbath dayes c. for the body is Christ and he brought them off of these services to Christ the substance the body who ended the Sabbath days and the offerings upon them who was before dayes who is the rest for his people and did not bring people into dayes but into Christ by whom all things was made who was Lord of the Sabbath and such meet on the first day of the week and are taught of God and out-strip all your Teachers made in Schools and learnings of men and so not of man nor by man but the outward Schools are of men and by men Pr. You say The fifth Commandment injoyns you to yield obedience to the faithful commandments of them that be over you and the Catechisme Ans The fifth Commandment brings that men should obey the command of God not of men nor the Catechisme nor such stuff as is in this Catechisme but who are come to Christ the end of the Commandments the end of the Law him by whom the world was made and was before it was made is enjoyed Pr. You say The meaning of the seventh Commandment Is that you should live temperate modest and chaste and holy in Wedlock Answ Is this so have you not broken Wedlok both with God and man and lost the chaste Virgin state and so gotten up into intemperate immodest unchastness into uncleanness and filthiness and so shew by your fruits that you neither come to keep this Commandment nor to Christ the end of it Pr. You say The eighth Commandment doth not only forbid robbery but covetousness after other mens goods evil witchcraft devices to
spirit of life The Devill may get Scripture and therefore hath he spirit and life who is out of it This is like the Pharisees that thought they had had life in the Scriptures but would not come to Christ the life which the Scripture testified of and the Scriptures are words of God but many have the words and deny the Word it selfe and none are justified that hath the Scriptures and out of the life that gave them forth Pr. He saith It 's a sottish Doctrine to direct people onely to the Light within and what an absurd thing it is to tell our children of the Light within their conscience and to bid them obey and follow it that light and word that 's in their hearts and mouths and so fully neglect the teaching of the Scriptures Answ Is not this Souls zeal kicking against the pricks who had Scripture And this is not the neglecting to teach the Scriptures nor the Apostles doctrine to bring people and children to the Light within and the word in their hearts and mouths to obey and do it which was the Apostles doctrine and they are sottish that be out of it and they were them that made Proselytes that brought not people to the word within nor to the light within but from it Pr. He saith The Apostle thought to do many things against the Church and thought he ought to do so and the light within did not inform his conscience Answ Did not Christ say it was hard for him to kick against that that prickt him and was not that within him that pricked him Pr. And thou sayst thou art too ignorant of the ways of God and witnessing the meaning of his spirit Ans We do believe thee therefore you had better have been silent and have hearkned to the Light within thee and the Word within thee and the word of faith and wisdome which none hears the word of faith but who comes to the light within Pr. Thou sayest thou art too much troubled with carnall thoughts and vain imaginations and addicted to the world Answ Those dictates are not like to own the light within word within It is not a strange thing that thy spirit should stand against the Apostles doctrine that is light within Cor. 2.4 Pr. Thou sayst It is a disparaging the Scriptures to direct people to the light within rather then the Scriptures to direct them to eternall life Ans The Scriptures many may have and be from the light and spirit of God that was in them that gave it forth which none hath eternall life but who comes to the light within and the spirit that was in them that gave forth the Scriptures and to you this is the word of the Lord. Pr. Thou sayst The light within is grosse darknesse and what darknesse and blindnesse is there where the Scriptures are not minded and known Ans The Apostle who did direct to the light within did not call that grosse darknesse nor blindnesse but turned people from darknesse to light from the power of Satan to God And Abraham and Enoch was not in grosse darknesse and ignorance who had not the Scripture to minde which was in the spirit and faith as they were in that gave forth the Scripture who comes to witnesse the same spirit as was in them that gave forth the Scriptures they shall come to witnesse the Covenant of God written in their hearts and shall not need say Know the Lord and cease from man whose breath is in his nostrils and they that comes into this owns the Scripture without and be in Abrahams faith Pr. He saith The elect may be deceived and fall from their own stedfastness for a time and come under the death and power of Satan Answ The elect seed is in the grave which it is not possible to deceive and the elect shall be brought from under all the deceivers and death and bonds and the gates of Hell they shall come over and on top of them although the seed hath been in captivity and it is not possible to deceive the Elect it is the world that is deceived that which hath led captive shall go into captivity Eve and the first Adam may be brought into transgression but Christ the second Adam the seed in you all you must know which is that which bruiseth the Serpents head and the ground of all deceiving and so the Elect may lye under for a time and suffer but the election shall obtain and not him that wills nor him that runs but come over to the crown of honour and glory Pr. He saith Satan deceives men into bringing them to a self-denying posture Answ It is not the Devill that brings men to be humble and to deny themselves that which teacheth self-denyall is Christ that which keeps out of self-denyall is the Devill for that he went into himselfe out of the truth Pr. He sayes They can never be clear of a degree of blasphemy that hath the spirit of God in them and speaks against Ministery Magistrates and Ordinances and bid people listen to the light within them and to the spirits teaching and that they are all taught of God Answ They that witnessed the spirit and light within were taught of God and were moved of the Lord to declare both against Ministers Magistrates and Ordinances that stood against Christ the power of God and these were called blasphemers which were not the Scripture declares it but owned the power that ended all changeable things which upon all the heads of the transgressors and blasphemers came which power was a praise to them that did well Pr. He saith That Scripture may be bought and sold they say and it doth not profit but the Light within is of an eternall nature an infallible guide So obeying it they shall be sure of perfection and eternall life Now he saith those that say so are the poor ignorant and unstable soules Answ Cannot yee buy and sell the Scriptures and your Sermons and Prayers And can any have the comfort of the Scriptures and an infallible guide perfection and eternall life and the soule established and come out of ignorance but who comes into the light and spirit of God within that gave forth the Scriptures with which they came to know God the Father of spirits of whom they learned that gave forth the Scriptures and so come into the spirit and the bond of peace and unity with the Scriptures with God and one with another And the spâ—rit of God doth not bring men to dislike of Scriptures nor Ministers of Christ But to see what estate and condition they were spoken forth too Pr. Thou sayest The measure of Christ must be so that you ought to lay downe your lives for the brethren and love one another much more to lay downe your estates Answ When was there a Priest in the Nation that did lay downe his estate for the love of Christ or his brethren but he had a selfish principle in another thing Or
when saw you a Priest lay downe his estate to save others out of prison but he is rather casting into prison till death because they cannot give them Tythes The Apostle doth not say have not we power to take Tythes But have not we power to eate and drinke And they that preach the Gospel live of the Gospel And they bring glad tidings to them but that is not glad tidings to cast into prison and hale before Courts and they that preacht the Gospell lived on the Gospel that opened the hearts of people without mens compelling power Pr. He saith You must not give eare to the Quakers for they tell you your Ministers look for their gain from their quarters and are Hirelings and this he saith is deceiving and the depth of Satan and a lying malicious spirit Answ The Prophets spirit was not a lying and malicious spirit that cryed against them that sought for their gain from their quarters and said they were Hirelings in which spirit is the Quakers and sees you walke in the same steps and take away your gain from you and your hire and you are suing in the Courts and haling up and down which shews your spirits to be the false spirits the Apostle speaks of which went out into the earth Pr. Thou sayst Above all things beware of covetousnesse Answ If you had heeded that you would have been better examples to the Nations about you but in covetousnesse you are swallowed up and so are excommunicated out of the life of the Prophets Christ and the Apostles was in and so your reward from him you shall have And you are finding fault that the people are covetous and thus complains to the whole Nation You should have complained of your selves for being out of the power of God that should have struck downe that and that you are not in the life and power the Apostles was in and it hath not such an effect with it as the Apostles had So you have manifested and shewed your spirits to the Nations and shewes you want your covering And the Apostles did not write abroad to the world that they and their Church was covetous and send it to the Magistrates and complained to them had not they here dishonoured their power of the Church if they had done so and shamed it as you do yours Pr. He saith Many false prophets are gone out into the world believe not every spirit and Satan transforms himself into an Angel of light Answ These things the Apostles saw come into the world before their decease the Devil transforming himself into an Angel of light and false prophets and false spirits gone out into the world which since the days of the Apostles all that dwelt upon the earth went after them the false Prophets and the Beast but who hath their names written in the Lambs book of life before the foundation of the world and the Apostle when Satan was transforming himself into an Angel of light among the Corinthians he brought them to the light in them which would give them the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ and John saw they was come which Christ said should come the false Prophets and false spirits who bid them not go after them and John told them they had the annointing within them to teach them and needed not any man to teach them but as the same anointing taught them and they should continue in the Son and in the Father where no false spirit was these false spirits Prophets Antichrists wch Christ said should come which John saw was come and went forth from them has drawn tongues peoples multitudes and Nations to be waters and there is the fruits of them as Revel 17.18 And now are people but coming from these waters and false spirits to the Râ—ck and these are them that draw the Nations to waters As has turned against the Saints and the Lamb But the Lamb and the Saints shall have the victory nevertheless these false prophets beasts Antichrists false spirits all inwardly ravened from the true spirit hath had the sheepes cloathing else they could not have deceived the world and led the world after them and could not have brought Nations to waters and herein hath been the beasts power over all kindreds tongues and Nations and his heads and names in the Nations and among the tongues yet all these heads and Names hath agreed together in one against Christ the light which enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world and the Devil beasts and false Prophets which made War against the Saints and overcame them but the Saints and the Lamb shall overcome them and the Devil shall be taken and with him the beast and the false Prophets and Babylon confounded and the Lamb and the Saints have victory rejoyce ye Saints and holy Prophets over them the Lamb and the Saints shall have the Kingdom and power over all kindreds tongues and Nations who are redeemed from them and from the earth to reign with Christ and a top of the Devil and his Angels which cannot get into the seed Pr. He saith It is a boast of the Quakers to say that they have the eternal Spirit of God in them and saith they may properly use the word you to one and taking off the hat is reverend due and honour and he must not quench the smoaking Flax but be courteous and custome to whom custome and to the Law and to the testimony Answ He that hath not the Spirit of Christ is none of his and that 's Eternal and he that saith you to one shewes he hath neither learnt accidence nor Bible and the hat is the honour of men below in the earth Adams honour in the transgression which Christ the second Adam saith I received not honour of men how can ye believe that receive honour one of another and seekes not that honour that is of God onely and so the mark of an unbeliever and the Apostles did not observe the Jews customes nor the heathens customes for if they had they needed not have been persecuted by them Courteous is good and to do one another good but how is this practised amongst you when you cast into prison these that cannot put into your mouthes and you do no work for them Where is your courteousness here they break not the bruised reed nor quench not the smoaking Flax that owneth the light that doth enlighten every man that cometh into the world and these neglect not their salvation but they that deny the light that enlighteneth every man that cometh into the world neglects their salvation and such be they that breakes the bruised reed and quenches the smoaking Flax and that brings to own the Law and testimony which many may have the Scriptures and not the Law and testimony for the Law is light and the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophesie and this was before the New Testament was written as Esay the