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A18448 The oration of the most noble and reverende father in God the Lorde Cardinalles Grace of Lorrain made and pronounced in thassemblie [sic] at Poyssi, the kyng beyng present, the sixtene daye of Septembre, in the yeare of our Lorde 1561 / translated out of Frenche into Englishe by T.S. Guise, Charles de, Cardinal de Lorraine, 1525-1574. 1561 (1561) STC 5010.5; ESTC S283 23,800 31

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in baptisme and to eate his bodye and drynke his bloode at his holy table To be shorte if you or any other do so fasten and lodge Christe onely in heauen that in no wise you wyll haue hym founde vppon earthe and so no more In caena quam in scena Imo quam in coeno Whiche wordes be not requisite to be translated for feare of such as be weake we contrarywise beyng taughte that the supper is celebrated here benethe in this world and not aboue in heauen and beyng not so quicke witted subtill or wise that we can comprehend a thyng verily and in substance absent from the sayd supper to be not withstandyng veryly and substancially exhibited and receaued and for a conclusion to bee there and not to bee there for feare to dispoyle and euacuate the holy signes of thynges onely figured and represented and not presented or to be presented to separate absent and seuer theym as farre as heauen is frome the earth Whereunto we answere you with like wordes That we be as farre of from your opiniō in this case as the highest parte of the heauens is from the lowest parte of the earthe Or lette them all see and iudge whiche measureth the pointes of our religion as they ought to be measured by Theologie and not by philosophie whether of vs dothe attribute more to Iesus Christ our lorde god whether ye or any other among you whiche doo mainteine that there is a place so prescript in heuē whervnto he is ascended wherin onely he is according to the body els where he cannot be or we who although we beleue him to be in heauen do not for all that ceasse to beleue that he is in all places where his holye mysteries are celebrated and not otherwise making no further inquirie of the maner than as his omnipotent worde dothe teache Graunt most puissant mightie god August in psalm ●in de cōsec di ● can prima heresis Ioan. 6. that as the first heresie among the disciples of his sonne our sauior toke the like occasion of his worde Durus est hic sermo which was so difficulte that diuers of them murmuryng wente backe and folowed him no more so also that this new and last controuersie This Sacramentarie warre I say which so often dothe renew take not away from vs thoccasion of commune accord consent of reducyng and appeasing thinges to a better quietnesse of our bodies soules and to a more tranquillitie to the realme and aboue all things that it maye not trouble or let our reformation presently in hand which we haue begon in such sort as it is most necessarie bothe for vs and our flockes But principally that it will please hym to preserue vs that in these latter days and moste perillous tymes that prediction doo not chaunce whyche a manne of great name and estimation among our aduersaries Melāch ad Oecolam an 1525. dissuading a companion of his in the beginnyng to remoue from him this filthie tragedie foretelling him almoste prophecieng that it threatned an horrible mutation not onely to kyngdoms empires but also to the hole church To Beza and his cōpanie the protestantes Me think I haue bē more troublesom vnto you by reson of my lōg processe thā I wold haue ben yet not so much persuaded you as I was desirous to haue done which if you wil wtout auctoritie or reson cōtinue beleue no tyme of yeres passed euen frō the death of our sauior from the primitiue church vntil your owne separation we wil cōmit you to your own choise And if without cause for mainteining a quarel so iust you haue vs in such hatrede and that so by open confession you will deuide your selues from vs that we seme not worthie in your sighte to liue or remaine with you nor in the selfe same temples I tremble at the speakyng of it to pray and make sacrifice to God and to administer the Sacramētes yet at the least refuse not the Greke churche for iudge in this controuersie if you so much abhorre the Latin that is to say the Romaine churche takyng recourse to a particular churche seyng the vniuersall churche doothe myslike you What doo I speake of the Greke church Nay beleue the confession of Ausbrough and the churches that hath receiued the same and you shal fynde your selues vanquished of them all But if you can not fynde place with them whiche be deuided from vs and that you agreyng with them almoste in all other poyntes and in this poynte of this moste precious sacrament you can not agree what other hope of agreement with vs but onely by wordes can we conceue whiche differ from you bothe in this in many other pointes And if you be so sore addicted to your solitarie opinion become in effecte solitarie If you wille come no nerer to our faith to our actions get you also further of from vs and trouble not the flockes wherof you haue no charge nor yet any laufull administration For the same to vs appertaineth according to the authoritie which we receaue from God And geuyng leysure to youre newe opinions to waxe old so long if God permitte it as our doctrine traditions haue done For we lay vnto you the prescriptiō of the sens of the scripturs with more reason than was done in Tertulians tyme whiche shal be a cause to restore peace to so many troubled consciences and to leaue your countrey in quietnesse and reste To the kyng Wherein Sire we all doo moste humbly beseche you in the name of God by whom you are called to this estate to holde your hande and that it will please you to continue in this holy profession of Faith whiche we haue here presently declared vnto you accordyng to that whiche the Vniuersall churche hath ealwayes taughte whiche is agreable to the woorde ordinance of God And in this so doyng you shal resuscitate and in you plentuously reuiue the graces whiche god hath placed in holy religion not only in your grādmother Quene Claude Quene Claude Quene Katharine Kynge Fraunces the first Kynge Henry the seconde Fraunces the second and in youre mother Quene Katherine our soueraigne lady not onely I say in that mightie and wise kyng Francis the firste your grandfather in that good and so welbeloued Henrye your father in that well condicioned kyng Francis your brother but also in as many kynges all your predecessors and all our soueraigne lordes frō that firste kyng Clouis euen vnto you of whom neuer was there one that strayed from this holy Catholike faith no not one euer founde to forsake the religion of his ancesters and they all haue by succession left and transmitted vnto you this name of moste christian kyng and fyrste sonne of the churche God almightie graunt that your successors maye receaue the same frome you in like integritie and perfection and that our God vpon you our soueraigne lorde nor vpon your subiectes do exercise his mighty hand and the punishementes of his iuste iudgementes And you madam seyng the whole realme hathe geuen vnto you all maner of administration and gouernement during the minoritie of oure kyng and soueraigne LORDE keepe vs well this iewell soo precious and rendre hym agayne vnto vs when he shall haue accomplished his full yeares of the selfe same religion and fayth wherin he is deliuered vnto you and wherein hytherto you haue so carefullye instructed hym And herein you shall doo an acte so greate as that holy quene Clotide dyd whiche is set before your eies to folowe who by her holye instructions was the meane and cause of bryngyng of Clowis her husband to the christian religion And you madame herein shall kepe the kyng your sonne well instructed To the quenes mother accordynge to the intente and will of that good kyng Henry your husbande Wherfore madame in the name of your saide beloued husbande we moste humbly beseche you that lyke as we haue nothynge that next after God more deere vnto your grace than your commune and euer pardurable and indissoluble loue euen so therfore aswell in this poinct as in all others ye wyll folowe and execute his sacred wille and not to suffer his memory to be condemned nor yet the remēbrance of that mightye kyng Frauncis your father in lawe which called you to the great and happy mariage of his son to the intente their good expectatiō in you for the bringing vp of their childrē should not be altogether frustrate and deceaued To the king of Nauarre and princes of the bloud We doubt not but in this doing you shall be well asisted by the king of Nauarre by our lordes the princes of the bloud who will not degenerat from their most christian progenitours The self same counsail wil those noble mē geue vnto you which ar called to the honorable state of the kings coūcel The same also the Peres and officers of France all which haue bene nourished and aduanced by these good kinges and therfore will call to remembraunce their will and pleasure And ye most noble and christian assembly present in this thing shal shew your selues not onely true christians and faithful seruauntes to god but also most louing and harty subiectes to your king wherby we al trust by gods help that this whole realme shall bee sounde in one vnitie And to make an ende Sire we all with one heart with one voice and in the name of al the french church do vow vnto god solemnly promise vnto your grace neuer to departe from this holy true and catholike doctrine Which we will take payne to publish in our churches and for the maintenaunce therof we wil not spare to spende our hole bloud and liues as in like manner we wil shew our selues alwais both redy and mindful touching any affaires that shal concerne your maiesties seruice and the maintenance of your croune FINIS
❧ THE ORATION OF THE MOST NOBLE AND REVERENDE FAther in GOD the lorde Cardinalles grace of Lorrain made and pronounced in thassemblie at Poyssi the Kyng beyng present the sixtene days of Septembre In the yeare of our Lorde 1561. Translated out of Frenche into Englishe by T. S. THis present daye being the eight of October 156● The kinge beynge at Saint Germyne in Laye did permit geue licence to William Morel his printer dwelling at Paris to printe or cause to be printed the oracion made by the cardinals grace of Lotharinge in the assemble at Poissy the 16. daye of September last past the same to put abroade vtter forbidding all other printers the same to imprinte or cause to bee imprinted or selle without licence or sufferaunce of the said Morel and his maiesty hath geuen me in commandement hereof to make asmuch expedicion as I conueniently coulde De Laubespine SYRE we acknowleadge you for oure soueraigne and naturall lorde and confesse oure selues to be your most humble and obediente subiectes and seruauntes And the fidelitie whiche we haue sworne and solemnely promised vnto your grace we will neuer gaine go it After our example then and accordyng to the doctrine of God whiche we announce all ye that be presente 〈…〉 and all those lykewise that bee vnder your maiesties rule gouernemente in this mosse christen realme be ye for the loue of God subiectes to all policie and humaine order whether it be to the kynge as to the head and soueraigne or vnto theim whiche vnder hym supplie the chiefe places nerte his persone or els vnto other by hym established thorough the prouinces euery one accordynge to his charge as vnto them whiche be sent by hym to the punyshyng of euyll doers and to the praise of them that do well For such is the will of God that in doyng well you shall stoppe the mouthe to the ignorant and foolyshe All this purpose the apostle saint Peter concludeth in these fower words 1. Pet. 1. Feare God and honor the Kyng as though he wold saye Honor the kyng for that ye ought to scare God It is he Pro. ● by whom kynges do rule And they that make lawes ordeyn iust thinges wherby princis doo commaunde and the mightie doo iudge the earth wherof he that will seke thoriginall must nedes confesse that all power is geuen of our Lorde God and the vertue strength cometh from aboue 〈…〉 Ro● It is he saith Dauid that geueth saufetie to kinges and instructeth my handes to fight maketh my singers to serue in the warre To be short fithens that all superior and hygh power is of God principally then is the power of kynges ordeined by hym wher vnto if any maketh resistence dothe withstande his ordinance and purchaseth to himselfe damnation Let vs be therfore to your maiestie faithfull and obediente subiectes not onely for not prouoking your anger but also for conscience sake Notwithstanding remembre syre that you are not onely a minister of God and of oure Lorde Iesus Christe The duetie of a Kyng toward the churche of his authoritee there Esa 49 60 but also of his Chirch the whiche you norishe and conserue you are therof a sonne and not a lorde a member and not a head as by his prophete long tyme sithens he warned the chirche whyche shoulds be assembled of the Gentils For Esaie sayth The kynges shal be thy nourses and shal submitte them selues to do thee honor and seruice The kynges shall be broughte vnto thee and shall obeye thee And the people and realme that shall not serue thee shall peryshe and there shall be made suche waste and destruction that no habitation there shall bee founde Which saying our first and moste holy ancient Byshoppes aduentured to proteste before their myghtiest and moste redoubted Emperors 23 q. 8. cap conuen● o● and those Emperoures accepted the same in good parte Sainct Ambrose speakyng of the Emperour Valentinian the yonger and of Iustinian his mother saith thus What name or title more honorable maye an Emperor attribute to hym selfe then to bee called the Sonne of the Churche whiche was spoken withoute offence and the same ryghte thankefully accepted For the Emperor is within the Churche and not aboue The same Saint Ambrose in a request presented to the same Emperor refused his iudgement in his disputation with Aurentius an Arrian byshoppe Epi 32 Forasmuche sayth he as in causes of Faithe and of the Churche Byshoppes do iudge of the laitie and not the laitie in their consistories assemblies do iudge of Byshops And this saith he none will cal in doubte that wil kepe the wel ordered course of the holy scriptures or that wil folow the good auncient customes and obseruations Way enge well then these thynges what is he that in cause of faithe will denye that Byshoppes haue not accustomed to iudge of Christian Emperors and not the Emperours of Byshoppes In this Consistorie IESVS CHRIST hathe not accustomed to occupye the place of a partie but rather of a Iudge If ye treate with hym I haue learned that it oughte to bee in the Churche whyche my forfathers haue doone If it bee to haue conference in matters of Faithe that conference oughte to bee made with the priestes VVhat in g●ments in maters of faithe the olde christian Emperors obserued and in vvhat estimation they had their Bishops priestes Ruf. li. 10 ca. 2. Tripar li. 2 ca ● Socr. li. 2. ca. 8 Theo. li. 1 cap 11. Sozom. li. 1. c. 17. Nicep li. 8. ca. 16. ● Ambrose in the place befor alledged The lyke order was obserued vnder that greate Emperoure Constantine who withoute any restraynte dydde permyt to the Ecclesiasticall persones free iudgemente in matters of faithe and would neuer iudge of priuate complayntes made of any Byshoppes in the councell of Nice It is GOD sayth he that hath constituted you priestes that hathe geuen you power to iudge of vs and not power to me to iudge of you He is onely youre iudge and you oughte not to bee iudged by men Whyche holye opinion Valentinian the elder full welle did folowe sayeng It becometh me not to iudge amonge the Byshoppes where any question of the Faithe or of Ecclesiasticall ordre aryseth He ought not to iudge that doothe diffre in charge but he whyche is of lyke vocation that is to saye priestes oughte to iudge of prestes In the selfe same tyme and to lyke effecte Gregorye Nazianzene dydde preache before the Emperour Valens and tolde hym The ordynaunce of IESVS CHRIST hathe made you subiecte vnto my power and to my iurisdiction You are not he onely that ruleth for we also rule in a greatter and more perfecte Empire yf we dooe not submytte the spirite to the fleshe and heauenly thynges to earthly But geue me leaue moste noble Emperour more frankelye to vtter my mynde I knowe that thou arte a sheepe of my flocke and in that
sundry ages because we shall fynde theym all to agree In the firste hundred yeares let vs appeale and calle for the apostelles and their successours as S. Clement s Ignatius and s Denis In the second hundred Alexander the firste Iustine Ireneus Tertullian Origene and Cyprian In the thirde hundred yeares Arnobius Lactantius Eusebius Athanasius sainct Hyllarie Emissene Isichius Nazianzene S. Ambrose S. Hierom S. Augustin S. Iohn Chrysostom In the fourth hundreth Leo the great Prosper Theodorite and Cyrill And in the .v. hundred let vs come to S. Gregorie further more if ye will let vs call Damascene and long after hym S. Bernard These shal be the iudges of our controuersies which be not to be suspected and of those which be most notable and ancient ye shal haue a brefe repetitiō or recital to thintent ye may acknowledge that by the cōmune vniuersal agreement of the holie Fathers there is no place or occasiō lefte vnto vs herein Hilla li. ● de trinitate to doubte of the veritie of this body blood For by the words of our lord by our faith It is verily flesh verily blood which beyng receiued Accepta ait hausta doo so worke and make that we be in hym and he in vs. Is not this tho truthe But this can not be true to them which wholly deny Iesus Christ to be very God and to be the same which hath alwaies been in the churche of God so generally in all mens mouthes that amonge the sacramentes of the cōmune faith the veritie of the body and blood of IESVS CHRIST was not had in silence no not by the mouthes of infantes Leo epi● 13 vnto whom as to all other for otherwise we shold not beleue it much lesse vnderstand the same it was and is daiely saied and shall be vttered by the moste graue authoritie of the Churche that the same which is taken of the fruites of the earth and in the celebration of this sacrament placed vpon thaltare receiued after the custome of religion consecrated by mysticall praier offred and geuen and after the celebration finished as it appertayneth receiued to spirituall saluation vsed or consumed in the remembrance of the passion is the body and bloode of Iesus Christ whiche we perfectely beleue hath appeared in the kynde of humaine fleshe and that this likour or drinke did runne downe and distill from the side of him that was perced vpon the crosse Augu. li. 3. de trinite 4. 10 These good Fathers I say did teache their Auditorie to doubte nothyng at all before they should communicate at this holie table of the veritie of the body and blood of IESVS CHRIST Iohn 19 Leo sermo 6. de Ieiu 7. mens Chrys hom 7. operis impfect 1. Cor. 1. Isychius Leui. 22 For that is by the mouthe receyued whyche by the harte is beleued And in vaine they answer Amen which disputeth against that whiche they receaue They made no difficultie to saie that by the hande of the priest there is geuen and receaued not onely that which is seen and sanctified by him that gaue it but also that whiche there is vnderstanded is that sanctification whiche sanctifieth the receauour euen the bodye without doubt of our Lorde whiche as Sainct Paule writeth was made a sanctification for vs by the Father Contrary wise doo they affirme that he which ignorantly or through ignorance receaueth this holy misterie there not withstandyng he knoweth not the vertue thereof yet the same is the true bodye and bloode of our Lorde IESVS CHRIST In this wise thus plainly did the holy doctors both Greke and Latine speake touching this matter now long sithens Whose words specially of som of them we haue repeted so faithfully as we coulde So plainly I say haue our ancient fathers writen that one of them beyng the first Berēgarius apud Gu. Malingberien lib. 3 de gestis Anglo which long time after thē did otherwise teach that is to say that the body blood of Iesus Christ was none otherwise in this sacramēt but as a token or signe And after he had therof wel aduised himselfe disputed reasoned did not only in his lyfe time chāge his opinion but also at the point of deth which is the time to confesse the truth or neuer in his last words affirmīg stedfastly spake as foloweth Truly we beleue these misteries after the benedictiō or ecclesiastical cōsecration to be the very body blood of our sauior being induced and perswaded to beleue the same by thauctoritie of thancient churche We thā beleue cōfesse acording to the saying of the scripture and of the holy fathers that the body blood of Iesus Christ by thunspeakable operation of the grace of god the power of his holy spirite is in these holy misteries present geuen receiued we passe ouer to speake of the greatnes therof Chrysoh●… i. 8● in Mat. Wherby we shold seme to make our lord to be here outwardly visible sensible or perceptible Nothing saieth a holy father is here geuen vnto vs sensible but vnder visible sygnes inuisible thinges are there deliuered vnto vs. Ho. 60 ad popu antioch We absteine also from such maner of speache whereby contrary wise we might here seme onely to represent oure said sauiour being absent as in a tragedy or comedy Truely the maner and facion wherby he doth here present him selfe to vs wherby he geueth himself The maner of Christhi being in the sacrament Iohn 1. Cy. li. 4. in l 3. ca 1 14. Cy. Lu. 22 citāte Tho. 3 parte que 25 articu 1. Ioan. 6 where by he is receiued and participated is secret not humaine or natural and yet not therfore the lesse true We comprehend it not by sence reason or nature but by faith By which as the holy counsel of Nice the first of the foure chiefest dooth teache vs not to basely respectinge the visible elementes but lifting vppe the spirit we consider by faith the lābe of god to be there set in this holy table taking away the sinne of the world and truly we there receaue his precious body and bloud Better it is to follow the councell of the auncientes firmely to beleue the wordes of oure lorde god leauing vnto god of this his worke the meane the way and knowledge then in so highe a matter to thinke or vtter this Iewish word Quamodo a worde I saye of incredulitie perdition to the Iewes such as follow them Beleue saith the holy fathers vpō these words so often repeted Hoc est corpus meum Make no doubte thereat whether they bee true but receaue by faith the saying of our sauiour For seing that he is the truth Bernat ser 2 de caena he cannot lye Greate meruelies my brethern and thinges to be wondered at are saide of this sacramēt faith is there necessary Reason superfluous knowledge doth builde her foundation vpon
his disciple They praied thus in the celebratiō of this sacramēt Thou which sittest aboue with the father art here conuersant inuisibly with vs vouche safe frō thy mighty hād Notable places of tha old fathers to proue Christ to be in heauen and here also in the sacrament 103. de sacerdo to geue vs thine immaculate body precious bloud O what a miracle is this they cried O the great goodnesse of God He whiche on highe sitteth with the father in the selfe same instant is betwene our hands be geueth himself to all which wil receiue him doth this in the open sight of al the assistāts wtout any deceit or illusiō Wherfore I se not but ther shold be here a faut if the things there represented wer not also present They said Our lord hath lifted vp into the diuine throne that which he giueth vs to eat the erth to be our heuē whē as yet we ar here remainīg this roial bodi in heuē which ther is wortht of souerain honor is set bifore vs in erth shewed to vs to see to touch to rate They introduced Sermo debreuitate vite ho. 55. ad popu 15. 〈◊〉 1. ad Timoth IESVS CHRIST speakyng in thys wise of this holy table to them which camthither to receue Eate me drinke me I haue lefte the in heauen aboue and here in earthe beneath I am ioyned and vnited vnto thee not simply or in suche sorte as I am receiued of the but I am distributed vnto thee eaten and drunke of thee in suche sorte that there is so great an vnitie and coniunction made betwene vs that beyng so vnited and ioined we are not seperated one from an other by any meane or distance but as of two made one In this wise they dyd comfort the chirch wandring here in earth like a most amiable spouse sayeng Thou haste here in earth thy husbande in the Sacramente whom thou shalte haue in heauen withoute couer or vaille and yet here verily but vnder cloke and vaille but there manifest They were bolde thus also to speake to the husbande Bernardus 2. sermons de caeodomin How chanceth this swete Iesus that we little wormes craulyng on the earth we I say duste and ashes haue thee before our handes and eyes and in the meane whyle thou art all wholly sittyng at the right hande of the Father who in one moment of an houre from the east to the weste from the north to the southe art present and assistant to all men one in many thy selfe in diuers places whence commeth this Amb. 1 precari ad missi Truely not by our meanes or desert but of thy will and good pleasure and of thy goodnesse They prepared the priest before he should celebrate to adresse hymselfe in this wise to our Lord with what contricion of hart abundance of teares reuerence chastitie of harte and puritie of spirite ought we to celebrate this celestiall and diuine sacrifice wherin thy fleshe is verily receiued wherein thy blood is verily drunke wherin the highest thynges are ioyned to the lowest the diuine thyngs to the humain Truely they that teache preache thus douteth not but that the body of our Lord so many hundreth yeres passed beyng receaued aboue in heauen is there and here also together to bee vnto vs in this sacrament present presented and exhibited If thou require the maner so often to repete it Da● li. 4. ca. 14. and neuer to attaine the knowledge how this is done let it be sufficient for the to vnderstand that it is the worke of the holy ghost And we knowe nothyng more than that the worde of God is true of great efficacie and almightie but the maner ther of is inscrutable They thought nothing lesse than affirme that the said body of our Lord came downe from heauen or dyd remoue or depart or that it was drawen out as one of them sayde very welle Non quod ipsum corpus assumptū ex coelo descendat c. With whome we agree and mynde with thē nothing lesse thā to make him com down to pluck him from his fathers righte hande or to assent to all other suche vnfitte and vnseemely termes For contrarywise more than euery day in this holy misterie we make profession of the faith which we beleue of those articles singyng Qui sedes ad dexterā patris miserere nobis Et Sursū corda Habemꝰ ad Dominū And yet not withstanding they lay to our charges suche and so vnworthy absurdities as though in this Sacrament Nos Christum Dominum coelo vel dimoueremus vel eliceremus vel etiam descendere faceremus Thom. 3. part quest ● artic 3. Epist 25. For euen oure schoole menne dooe teache the contrarie With like true meaning our aduersaries woulde make S. Augustine of their part alleagyng hym Ad Dardanum although they can not be ignorant if they reade the whole epistle as I doubte not but they doo that there is no mencion at all made in that place of this holye Sacrament And forasmuche as so often tymes this holie man Leuit. 13 hath in other places bothe preached written we ought to draw out his meanyng touchyng this point rather from al his other places then out of this epistle the meaning wherof we haue presently answered not wātyng other solucions in that behalfe Of like simplicitie and true dealing be our aduersaries here present that is to say being farre from Almaigne and as one would say contrary to the lawe slaunderynge the deaffe doo impugne that whiche we doe not defende that is to say the Consubstantiation whyche for that it is not receyued in our frenche churche we will leaue it to the princis and preachers of the holye Empire which be called Protestantes to mainteyne who at the least in this poynte doo agree with vs against them whome Germany together with vs calleth Sacramentaries Pref. 4. centur Magdeburgen And those Germains accordingly folowing the most plain most true most mighty words of our sauior do at this day constātly hold and mainteyn the presence cōmunication of the body blood of our Lorde IESVS CHRIST to be in this Sacrament But nowe I come to that point which you haue both here and els where written of this Sacrament ouer and besides that whiche is conteined in the confession presented by you in the name of you all If you doo not esteme Iesus Christ to be in this worlde touchyng the fleshe since his ascention more than he was before his incarnation If you do not beleue no other body then visible De consecr dis 2. can Nos aū● cā Hoc est Gala. 3. albeit S. Austen whom you would to be of your syde calleth it so often inuisible if you thinke it not to be otherwise although more effectual in the vsage of the Sacramentes thā in the preaching of his word or if you esteme theym thynges alyke to put on IESVS CHRIST