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A86484 A rejoynder to Master Samuel Eaton and Master Timothy Taylor's reply. Or, an answer to their late book called A defence of sundry positions and scriptures, &c. With some occasionall animadversions on the book called the Congregational way justified. For the satisfaction of all that seek the truth in love, especially for his dearly beloved and longed for, the inhabitants in and neer to Manchester in Lancashire. / Made and published by Richard Hollinworth. Mancuniens. Hollingworth, Richard, 1607-1656. 1647 (1647) Wing H2496; Thomason E391_1; ESTC R201545 213,867 259

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tables or love-feasts and is so generally interpreted Acts. 2.42 Acts 20.7 And for teaching and preaching Acts 5.42 contradistinct to preaching in the temple and in publique it being as is by it self evident the Apostles custome to preach both in the temple Synagogues markets court-houses and the like publike places to all promiscuously beleevers and others that would heare and in houses to the beleevers only in their Church-assemblies so that publiquely or in the temple which tearms expound one another and from house to house and in every house note two kinds of Assemblies sc promiscuous meetings and Church-meetings 2. That these were distinct several Congregations and not the same kept successively at several houses may be gathered 1. by the words 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 duly rendred which signify house by house distributively or in every house as it is translated Acts 5.42 That is not in every house in the city nor in every beleevers house in the city for there were thousands probably of these but in every house designed for a Church-meeting 2. By the opposition the text in Acts 2.46 Makes between their meeting in the temple and their breaking of bread house by house the former its sayd was 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with one accord implying they all met together in the temple but distributively in their private houses or Church-meetings for the celebration of the Lords Supper the Iews probably not permitting this new ordinance in the temple and other Church ordinances 3. Learned Mr. Beza on that of Acts. 2.46 Saith that procul dubie the number of Christians at Ierusalem did require that more commodious houses should be chosen for their living together in common as we see the Church in every populous city distributed into several Parishes as the preposition 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 sheweth so he And of these several meeting houses we may very fitly understand that of Saul his entring into every house Acts 8.3 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 house by house that is he watched and assaulted them at their meeting times and places and thence halling men and women committing them to prison for into every private house of Christians it cannot be conceived that he entred for them how could the Apostles themselves remain at Ierusalem and escape him as they did v. i. But he entered the ordinary meeting houses which were best known and most noted and where he was likely to meet with them for his purpose by great numbers and both interrupt their exercises and find most occasion against them to punish them he therefore possibly with reference to this confesseth that he persecuted this way Acts 22.4 And is said to make havock of the Church c. 8 3. And to get authority to bind all that call on the name of the Lord Iesus c. 9 14. 4. Mr. Burton an eminent man of your way confesseth that the Christians of that Church were constrained to sever themselves into divers companies to communicate which probably they did every Lords day and consequently they did every Lords day enjoy other ordinances accompanying the Sacrament as preaching prayer singing and yet saith Mr Burton these several companies which we call congregations were but so many branches of one and the same particular Church no properly several Churches but one Church 2. Where there were so many preachers that they could not all nor the most of them be imployed in preaching every Lords day to one particular congregation there was more then one congregation this consequence is good and firm both by reason for God did not ordain preachers to be idle or negligent or to preach seldom but to be instant in season and out of season he appointed not many shepheards over a little flock any by scripture which affirms that the increase of the disciples was the occasion of the encrease of those officers and that there were so many officers in that Church is also evident 12. Apostles Math. 9.35 with 10.1 and 70. disciples Luc. 10. 2. besides Elders mentioned Acts 11.30 as being extant we know not how long before that time and others having immediate commission to preach Luc. 9.60 If those Elders were not the same with the 70. disciples seeing we read not of the institution of any other and if so then there was twelve Apostles answerable to the twelve Princes of the tribs Num. 1.16 and 70 Elders in the Christian Church answerable to the 70 Elders amongst the Jews Num. 11. 16. which could not be imployed in preaching every Lords day in one congregation 3. The Church that prayed for Peter Acts 12. 5. Met many of them in the house of Mary v. 12. and others of them viz. Iames and his bretheren else where v. 17. And yet the text calls them the Church of Jerusalem though met in several places 4. Again it is said that Paul abode in Ierusalem with Peter 15 days Gal. 1.18 And doubtless Peter and he frequented the publique meetings yet he saw no other of the Apostles save Iames the Lords brother he saith not that they were not in Ierusalem but he saw them not which had bin very improbable if not impossible seeing the Apostles were diligent in preaching if there had bin but one Church-meeting in Ierusalem another instance may be given in Samaria where the generallity of the city which had before given heed to Simon Magus imbraced the Gospel in outward profession Acts 8.6 9 10 11 12 14. Now all these m●st needs be more then could orderly in one place receive the Sacrament and they were not baptized into several Churches for then Church and city could not expound one another as the scripture witnesseth and you acknowledg therefore they met ordinarily in several places So now to omit other Instances til a fitter occasion I have given you two Instances in the new Testament of Christians ordinarly meeting in divers places which yet were but one Church properly so called Sect. 3. in Reply p. 14. You say Can you shew that the beleevers of any Christian Church met only at first in one place and afterwards being increased they met not in one place but many places except at sometime of hot persecution Rejoynder 1. Reason teacheth that when a land is Heathenish the conversion of it from Heathenish to Christianity must begin somewhere first it may be one or two or moe are converted and baptized and then as leaven to which the Gospel is compared Mat. 13. It spreadeth further and further some say the first Christian Church in England was planted at Glastenbury by Ioseph of Arimathea and if so then at first beleevers in England meet in one place 2 Of the Jewish Church the thing is evident that they at first were altogether both in the family of Abraham and in the wilderness though they never all met together again after their setlling in the land of Canan 3. I have manifested that the Church of Jerusalem did ordinarily meet in several places and yet you doubt not but that at
A Rejoynder To Master Samuel Eaton and Master Timothy Taylor 's REPLY OR AN ANSWER TO Their late Book called A Defence of sundry Positions and Scriptures c. With some occasionall Animadversions on the Book called the Congregational way justified For the satisfaction of all that seek the Truth in love especially for his dearly beloved and longed for the Inhabitants in and neer to Manchester in Lancashire Made and Published by Richard Hollinworth Mancuniens The Lord will shew who are his and who are holy LONDON Printed by T. R. and E. M. for Luke Fawne and are to be sold at the signe of the Parrot in Pauls Church-yard 1647. Some of the principall CONTENTS of this Book OF gathering Churches out of true churches Cap. 1. Sect. 1. c. Of separation from a true church because of corruption S. 6. Presbyterial-Classical National and Oecumenical church c 1 s 2. p. 6. the citation in l. 12 being misprinted for it read c 7 s 1 c. c 8 s 2 3 c 9 s 1 c 10 s 2 c 28 s 3 c 15 c 18 Of Parishes how jure divino and how not c. 2. s 1 c. Of the heathen and christian Magistrate c. 3. s 3. No toleration in New-England c. 3. s 3 4 5. Whether seven or eight can make a church c. 4. s 1 c. Whether Adam's family Noah's Christ's and the 12 Disciples of Ephesus and the 120 at Jerusalem were each of them particular churches ibid. The church of Jerusalem did not ordinarily meet in one place c. 5. s 2. Churches were planted in cities and great towns not in villages c. 5. s 5 Judaea was not so little but it might have many classical churches in it ibid. The Epistle to the Corinthians written to the churches of Achaia c. 6. s 1.7 E 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 what it signifies c. 5. s 4. Church taken as properly in a distributive sense as for one assembly The word Churches notes not Independencie it is given to the Jewish church c 10. c. 1. Combination of churches c. 8. s 2. c. 10. s 2 3. Whether and how the church consists of visible Saints c. 11. s 1. Edification whether the only end of church-fellowship and not conversion c. 11. s 7. Who are to be excommunicated c. 11. s 8 9. The Jewish church a church of Saints c. 11. s 10 Of the Church covenant c. 12. s 1 2 c. Church-fellowship whether a part of the covenant of Grace c. 13. s 5 The Authors just Apology for pretended abusing of the Authors out of which the Positions seem to be taken c. 14. s 1 Whether Christians without Officers be properly called a church c. 15 1. Of election of Officers c. 16 Ordination by Bishops and popular Ordination compared c 18 s 4 Ordination and Election compared c. 18. s 8 Neither Tythes nor setled maintenance are unlawfull c. 20 21 Of Lords dayes contributions for maintenance of Ministers and the designe of it c. 21 s 1 c 9 Deacons not to take care of Ministers maintenance c 21 s 3 Distinction whether between Pastors and Teachers c 23 Each church Assembly is not Zion c 24 Of the word without in 1 Cor. 5. c 25 Of Anarchy worse then tyranny c 26 s 2 Marks of Malignancy c 26 s 3 Presbyteriall Government not Prelaticall c 26 s 3 The difference between the Prelaticall Presbyterian way c 26 s 3 What was the sin of Diotrophes c 26 s 4 Independents likenesse and unlikenesse to Corah c. c 27 s 1 c. Differences between the Christian church and the Jewish c 27. s 1 c 28 s 2 3 4 Of the Key of Liberty and of the necessity of the churches consent to excommunication c 29 s 1 The Keyes how given to Peter c 29 Whether Excommunication and delivering to Satan be all one c 30 The supposed sad condition of the Presbyterian churches c 31 s 3 A Definition of Discipline and Essentials examined c. 33 s 6. The Independents Model promised c 33 s 7 Of Ministeriall acting in another congregation c 34 Why men may preach to Heathens and before Ordination and not administer the Sacraments c 34 s 2 Recommendation of Ministers and Members c 34 s 11 Christian Reader I intended to have reprinted in this Book the Positions my Answer to them and Mr. E. and Mr. T. Reply to it and a large Rejoynder but that course my wife friends judged tedious and chargeable not profitable I have therefore taken up the pith of their Reply especially of that part of it which pretends to Scripture or Reason and of my Rejoynder omitting prefaces personal matters repetitions impertinencies My style is plain and modest Not victory but Gods truth the Churches peace thy good yea their good who in this are my adversaries is really intended and endeavoured by Thine in the service of Truth and Peace R. H. A Rejoynder to Master Samuel Eaton's and Mr Timothy Taylor 's Reply CHAP. I. Of Gathering Churches I Asserted in my answer That the Apostles never taught or practised to gather or separate some Christians from others one part of this true Church and another part of that especially persons which themselves converted not to make a purer Church neither with nor without the Magistrates Authority To this you Reply The Apostles both taught and practised the separating of some Jews from other Jews and gathering them into a Christian Church while yet the Jewish Church was not dissolved for they ceased not to be a Church of God till the body of them pertinaciously and desperatly rejected Christ Therefore they preached to the Jews first and thought themselves bound so to do because they were the people of God Acts 11.19 13.46 And yet they had commanded some to separate from the rest as your self acknowledg Acts 2.40 And their communion they had with them in Iewish worships shews that they counted them a true Church And some think that their Church state ceased not while their Temple stood And yet before that time many Iews were gathered into many Christian Churches as both the Acts of the Apostles and their Epistles do declare And if they might gather out of one Church they might as lawfully have gathered out of twenty or an hundred had there been so many at that time Rejoynder 1. Suppose at present that the Jewish Church was then a true Church and not yet dissolved yet it was then in dissolving and ceasing to be a true Church your own words Yet the Iewish Church was not dissolved do intimate so much and the thing is undeniable that Church was but to continue for a time and then to be dissolved by Gods appointment As it was said of the two covenants that the first was taken away that the other might be established Heb. 1● So it was with those two Churches that legal this Evangelical the first was taken away that the other might be established and therefore separation from the then Jewish Church