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A12592 A godly treatise containing and deciding certaine questions, mooued of late in London and other places, touching the ministerie, sacraments, and Church Whereunto one proposition more is added. After the ende of this booke you shall finde a defence of such points as M. Penry hath dealt against: and a confutation of many grosse errours broched in M. Penries last treatise. Written by Robert Some Doctor of Diuinitie. Some, Robert, 1542-1609.; Penry, John, 1559-1593. Defence of that which hath bin written in the questions of the ignorant ministerie, and the communicating with them. 1588 (1588) STC 22909; ESTC S117654 118,250 200

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page_n 84._o they_o among_o we_o which_o be_v unbaptise_v do_v sin_n grienous_o if_o they_o do_v not_o present_v themselves_o to_o baptism_n chap._n 8._o page_n 88_o they_o which_o be_v once_o baptize_v must_v not_o be_v baptize_v again_o chap._n 19_o page_n 156._o they_o which_o be_v baptize_v of_o popish_a priest_n in_o the_o popish_a church_n receive_v true_a baptism_n etc._n etc._n chap_n 7._o page_n 79._o and_o chap._n 8._o page_n 88_o 89._o and_o chap._n 20._o page_n 156._o 157._o the_o false_a profession_n of_o christ_n in_o popery_n do_v not_o prove_v that_o the_o true_a christ_n be_v not_o in_o popish_a baptism_n cap._n 23._o pa._n 174._o whether_o infant_n ought_v rather_o to_o be_v keep_v unbaptise_v then_o to_o be_v present_v to_o popish_a baptism_n chap._n 23._o page_n 180._o the_o infant_n of_o papist_n may_v be_v baptize_v in_o a_o reform_a church_n if_o some_o of_o the_o religion_n do_v present_v they_o to_o baptism_n &_o do_v undertake_v the_o godly_a education_n of_o 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