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A54120 The Christian-Quaker and his divine testimony vindicated by Scripture, reason, and authorities against the injurious attempts that have been lately made by several adversaries, with manifest design to rendor him odiously inconsistent with Christianity and civil society : in II parts. / The first more general by William Penn ; the second more particular by George Whitehead. Penn, William, 1644-1718.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. 1674 (1674) Wing P1266; ESTC R37076 464,302 582

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a certain Decision and if not a certain one then none to the Purpose Nor ought any Person no otherwise judged that is perswaded of the Truth of his Cause to let fall his Belief upon so fallible a Determination since he not only moves without Conviction but against Conviction And which is worse he is not ascertained of the Truth of what he is required to submit to Therefore of all People they are most condemnable who keep so great a stir about Religion and that sometimes use coercive Means to compass their designed Uni●…ormity and yet acknowledge to us they are not certain of their own Faith unless it be those who notwithstanding yield to such uncertain Imposers Since then the Judge must be infallible it will be worth our while to consider where ' this insallible Judge is to be found There is none Good but God said God himself when manifested in the Flesh that is originally or as of himself so truly there is none infaltible but God as of himself yet as the supream Good is communicated unto man according to measure so well sayes Bp. Lati●…er is there infallibility Certainty or Assurance of the Truth of things given to man according to Capacity otherwise men should be oblieg'd to believe and obey and that upon Damnation those things concerning which there can be no Certainty whether they be true or false Immanuel God with men as he is their Rule so their Judge he is the Law-giver and therefore the best Irterpreter of any Point that may concern his own Law and men are so far infallible as they are subject to his Voice Light or Spirit in them and no farther for humanum est errare Man is Errable Nor can any thing rescue him out of Error or preserve him from the Infections of it but the sound or certain Judgment God by his Light or Spirit within assists him with Obj. But is not the Scripture the Judge of Controversie Answ. How can that be since the Q●…estion most times arises about the Meaning of Scripture Is there any place tells us without all Interpretation whether the Socinian or Trinitarian be in the Right in their differing Apprehensions of the Three that bear Record c also the Homousian and Arrian about Christ's Divinity or the Papists or Protestants about Trans-substantiation If then things are undefined and undetermined I mean expresly in the Scripture and that the Question arises about the Sense of it doth the Scripture determine which of those Interpreters hit the Mark As this is absurd to think so must it be acknowledged that if Interpretation decide the Matter in Controversie not the Scripture but the Interpreter is the Judge Now this Interpreter must either interpret by his own meer Wisdom or Spirit called by the Apostle 1 Cor. 2. II. the Spirit of a Man who by weighing the Text consulting the Intent of the Writer comparing places together gives the Judgment which the Scripture cannot do or from the Spirit of God which gives Understanding as Job 3●… 8. and as the same Apostle saith searcheth the deep things of God If the first then a Fallible If the last then an Infal●…ible Judge I would sain know whether it was the Scripture or the Holy Ghost that presided among the Apostles when they were come together Acts 15. when they said It seemeth good to the ●…oly Chost and to us c. If the Holy Ghost give us a plain Scripture to prove we are to have another Judge now If not then we must have the same and consequently an Infallible Judge Obj. 'T is granted that the Spirit is Infallible But how shall I know that any man determines a thing by this Spirit and does not rather obtrude his own Sense upon us under that specious Pretence Answ. By the same Spirit As well said Gualt Cradock The Way to know whether the Spirit be in us is its own Evidence And that is the Way to know it in others too and the man hat hath the Spirit may know the Spirit in another There is saith be a kind of Sagacity in the Saints to this Purpose Which is also true in the Sense of abundance of P●…otestant Writers For as they held That no man could know the Scriptures but by the same Spirit so consequently that the same Spirit only could assure him of the Truth of the said I●…terpretation And Peter Martyr as before quoted tells us The Holy Ghost is the Arbiter or Judge Also D. J. Owen s●…ith That the Holy Ghost is the Only Authentick Interpreter of the Scripture I●… Authentick then Infallible if Infallible then the Judge of the Mind of Scripture is both an Only and an 〈◊〉 Judge But to wave this Does not the same Objection lie aga●…st the Sense of Scripture since one sayes this is the Sense and another that To know God's Mind men must come to God's Spirit else Difficulties of that sort are unsurmountable In short It were greatly to be wisht that all men would hold themselves unconcerned in disputing about what they have not received an Infallible Dictamen from the Holy Spirit upon since they beat but the Air and obtain no solid Satisfaction neither can they God never prostrates his Secrets to Minds disobedient to what they do already know Let all practise what they assuredly know to be their Duty and be sparing in their search after nice and unknown Matters Weighty and seasonable was and is the Apostle's Saying Nevertheless whereunto we have already attained let us walk by the same Rule where he both limits to the present Knowledge communicated and exhorts to live up to that and if any thing be further necessary God in due time will reveal it by his Spirit that gives to know discern and judge of the things that are of God Obj. But how will this determin the Controversie and allay the Fury of Debates on foot Answ. Nothing like it if man adhere to it and if he does not there is no way left but the Wrath that is to be reveal'd But most Perswasions are agreed about the absolute Necessaries in Religion from that Witness God has placed in man's Conscience viz. That God is That he is a Rewarder of them that diligently seek him That the Way of God is a Way of Purity Patience Meekne ss c. without which no man can see the Lord Nay they accord in some considerable Matters superadded as some of them speak to wit That God manifested himself extraordinarily in the Flesh that he gave his Life for the World that such as believe and obey his Grace receive Remission of Sins and Life Everlasting Now I say since these things men generally submit to let them live up hereunto and forbear wanton Scrutinies after Things or Notions that gender to Strife and Contention and leave not Mankind better but rather worse then they found them and the World would be soon rid of Controversie Holy Living and not Disputing would be the Business of
Light of Jesus Christ and secret Power of God that moved in them and opened their Hearts and seriously inclined them to hear the Gospel preached and which Light in them closed with the lively Testimony thereof which did concur with the Light to the opening their Understandings and turning their Minds from Darkness and Sin to the Light shining in their Hearts and when those of the Circumcision heard how well the Gentiles were prepared to receive the Gospel and the Effect of it Act. 10. and 11. Chap. They were then convinced of God's Graciousness to those of the Uncircumcision as well as to themselves their contending with Peter for going unto and eating with men uncircumcised was then stopped when they heard these things they held their Peace and glorified God saying then hath God also to the Gentiles granted Repentance unto Life And its evident that Cornelius and the rest that received the Word as preached had a Work of saving Grace in their Hearts before which prepared them and begot true desires in them after Life and Salvation Also when Barnabas come to Antioch and had seen the Grace of God he was glad and exhorted them all that with Purpose of Heart they would cleave unto the Lord Act. 11. 23. So this Light of the Grace of God both to and in them was great Encouragement to him so to exhort them but if there had been no Saving Grace in their Hearts what Effect could such Exhortation or Preaching have been of unto them If the Light within be sufficient to save Men then it renders Christs Coming and Suffering needless This is a blind Inference still opposing the Light of Christ within yea and all that is of God in Man as Insufficient and so as neither discovering Christ's Coming nor the Effect of his Suffering or as i●… Men might be saved by his Coming and Suffering without Respect to his Light within which shews gross Darkness as if there were not a Concurrence between the Light within and the End of Christ's Coming and Suffering and he might as well say that if the Ingrafted Word which is within be able to save the Soul then Christ's Coming and Suffering was needless he should rather have sai●… that Christ's Coming and Suffering without was because men were turned from his Light within for if all had walked in his Light within he had not been persecuted and murthered but this man's Argument supposeth Christ's Coming and Suffering to be for the Supply of some great Defect or Insufficiency of his Light within as if man had so well improved it and found it too scanty or Insufficient and therefore by this Christ must suffer and die for his own Light within to supply it whereas Christ dyed for the Ungodly for all men that were dead in Sin who had disobeyed and transgressed his Light within and though there be a Reconciliation by his Death yet the being saved is by his Life whose Life is the Light of men which for men to be turned to in themselves and therein to live to God varies not from the Blessed End of Christs coming and Suffering while he works in man by his Light and Power within both in shewing him Sin saving him from it as he believes in the Light becomes a Child of the Light thereof as Christ exhorted and if we walk in the Light of God the Blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all Sin The Light within cannot be a sufficient Rule because then there would be no certainty of Truth or Error of Sin or Duty for that which one Man maketh Light to Day the same Man will call Darkness to morrow one Man calleth one thing a Sin another calleth it a Duty by this there will be no such thing as Sin but only in the Opinions of Men. Answ. 1. If there can be no Certainty of Truth or Error Sin or Duty by the Light within how is he certain that there is any real Light at all in him 2. His placing such uncertainties and those various and contrary Opinions of men upon the Light within and rendring it an Insufficient Rule either to distinguish between Truth and Error Sin or Duty this is contrary to both Christ's and the Apostles Testimony as namely that it is a manifesting Light both of good and Evil both of those deeds wrought in God and those that are reproved Joh. 3. 20 21. Ephes. 5. 13. wherefore the Light of Christ within is a sufficient Rule 3. And what Proof is it against the Light if one man calls it Light to day and the same call it Darkness to morrow or that one man calleth one thing a Sin another calleth it a Duty doth this therefore prove the Light not a Sufficient Rule Or doth it prove any more then that there are those that put Darkness for Light and Light for Darkness and that call Evil good and good Evil Isa. 5. 20. or those that call that a Sin which others call a Duty If it must ●…om hence be argued therefore that there is no such certain Discovering Light or Rule in man to distinguish these may it not aswell be argued that therefore there is no such thing as Truth or Duty to be distinguished from Error and Sin And doth not this directly lead into Ranterism and finally into Atheism let the Serious Reader judge If the Light within be a sufficient Rule then I have a sufficient Rule within me because you say every Man hath it and I am bound to obey it In Obedience to this Rule I oppose your Errors and in opposing your Errors one of our Lights cannot be a sufficient Rule because such a vast difference between us then one of us hath not a sufficient Rule Answ. However he hereby grants the Light in one of us to be a sufficient Rule pretending that he obeys this Rule and here he hath found another Rule for a Christian besides the Scriptures and then they are not the only or sole Rule of Faith and Practice though its evident he doth not obey the Light within while he represents it so variable and uncertain and the Opposition and difference between us to arise from Light in both whereas the Light is but one and changeth not that divine Principle of Life which is the Light of men is immutably pure and cannot err however the Creature doth therefore it follows that both of us cannot be led by the Light in such direct Opposition for its Darkness that opposeth the Light After his so grosly and impiously slighting and invalidating the Light within he does not at all tell us what good it can do or understand nor what good End or Use God hath given it for to Man-kind nor what shall be the End of them of what Nation soever that walk up to the Light within them nor what Condition or End do the Dictates and Leadings of it tend to this he has not at all resolved but in his Darkness dealt most
Beloved in whom we are created again unto good Works How can Christ's sinless Obedience from the beginning of Life to the end which takes in his Conformity to the Law be imputed to the Guilty and fallen Creature or that Conformity be the Everlasting Righteousness wherewith the true Believer is invested when as 't is not the Works of the Law but the Righteousness of Faith that Justifies and Recommends to God And this is inwardly poss●…ssed where true Faith and the Obedience thereof is injoyed and Lived in it is not Christ's Conformity to the Law that Justifies us but his making us conformable to his own Image and Partakers of his Everlasting Righteousness for which God pronounceth us just for men are not imputatively Righteous or Just when actually condemned as Guilty Sinful Fallen Creatures And further I deny that Christ's Conformity to the Law whilst on Earth doth either constitute or reckon us righteous from the Beginning of Life to the End for that God according to his Grace and Mercy forgiveth Sins that are past before Faith and after his Visitation and Mercy is received the Law and Righteousness of Faith enjoyns us to Newness and Holiness of Life without which he will not acquit us He will not acquit the Wicked If I sin thou markest me and wilt acquit me from mine Iniquity Job 10. And then shall we sin because we are no more under the Law but under Grace God forbid c. His saying But were the Works of Faith perfect yet could they not be a justifying Righteousness p. 95. Though Righteousness in the Abstract and as it is everlasting doth not consist or is not made up of any Work outward or temporal Acts yet to conclude that the Works of Faith ●…hough perfect cannot be justi●…ing is contrary to the Apostle's Testimony of being justified by Faith whereby we have Peace with God and you see ●…hou that ●…Y WO●…KS A MAN IS JUSTIFIED and n●…t by Faith only Was not our Father Abraham justified by W●…ks when he offered up his Son Isaac A●…d God will ordain Peace for us for he hath wrought all ●…ur Works in us Isa. 26. and then are not his Works in us ●…ding to our Justification and Acceptance being recko●…d ours as wrought in us Are not these accounted of wit●… the Lord from the Dignity of himself that worketh them For to him it is said thou hast also wrought all eur Works in us To that Question Will he say that Abraham did not in Faith circumcise his Son Answ. But he was Justified before that for Faith was reckoned to Abraham for Righteousness when he was in Uncircumcision Though every Act of true and living Obedience both before under and since the Law was done in Faith yet are they not made Righteous by the meer Works but by that Power and Spirit of Faith that works them And If A S we are made Sinners and condemnable by One Man's Disobedience we be S O made Righteous and Justifiable by the Obedience of One then we must be as really made Righteous in the second Adam as we were Sinners in the first Adam A S in Adam all dye S O in Christ shall all be made alive A S we have born the Image of the Earthly S O we must bear the Image of the Heavenly which is not from a meer Imputation o●… either without a real Participation They are not Innocent or Clear in themselves who are either made or reckoned Sinners by one Man's Disobedience nor are they without the Participation of Christ's Righteousness in themselves who are made Righteous by his Obedience They that receive abundance of Grace and of the Gift of Righteousness shall reign in Life by Jesus Christ Death hath passed upon all men for that all have sinned Sin hath really reigned in man unto Death and so must Grace reign through Righteousness unto Eternal Life God's Imputations or Reckonings to Man are true whom he reckons Sinners are inherently such and whom he reckons Righteous are so likewise but the Hypocrite who can Justifie the Wicked is an Abomination unto God Howbeit contrary to what I have said S. S. reasons viz. We are not Partakers of this by our actual Commission of it I●… cannot be said we are Par●…ers of Adam's Sin in that we are personal Offenders it must be therefore by Go●…●…mputation Obs. By this he hath explained his ●…se of the Imputation of Ada●…'s Sin and Christ's 〈◊〉 and s●… of 〈◊〉 and Justification and ●…o by this Rom. 〈◊〉 ●…9 is thus to be read AS by One man's Disobe●…ience many were made Si●…ners that were not actual Sinners SO by the Obedience of One many are made Righteous who never actually obeyed an easy pleasant and Sin-pleasing Doctrine for the Ungodly Sinners and Hypocrites ●…rom whence also it follows that they are condemnable by Adam ' s Disobedience Children are not excepted he saith who never committed actual Transgression and so they are Justified by Christ's intire Obedience who never actually obe●…yed him and what 's this but still the old Abomination to Condemn the Innocent and Justifie the Guilty or Wicked S. S. adds Let the words be weighed by one man's Disobedience many were made Sinners it is not here said By many Personal Disobediences we are made Sinners though this be true c. p. 96. Rep. By one man Sin entered into the World Death by Sin yet it is not Adam's Sin intirely as a particular Person that is imputed though from one Offence sprung many ●…or Death reigning in Man is an Effect of his own sinning being in the Nature and Image of the first Man in whom all dye Death hath passed over all Men for that all have sinned even over as many as have not sinned after the Similitude of Adam's Transgression which still implies they have sinned after some Similitude or Manner yea many in a more gross Manner then Adam sinned that yet think themselves Imputatively Righteous It was not only the Offence as committed by him alone but the Offence or Sin and Nature of Enmity continued and committed by men themselves and also springing up into many Offences which makes many Sinners As it is not the Father's eating sower Grapes alone that sets the Childrens Teeth an Edge but every Man that eateth the sower Grape his Teeth shall be set on Edge the Soul that sinneth it shall dye every man shall dye for his own Iniquity And further Why should Adam as a particular Person be so very much exclaimed against and blamed whereby many Hypocrites think to ease themselves and over look their own Iniquities seeing that you know not but that Adam found Repentance and Forgiveness However since Adam sinned there were Righteous Generations left namely Seth whom God appointed unto Adam as another Seed in stead of Abel Gen. 4. 25 26. and 5. 3. and afterward Enoch came forth who walked with God Gen. 5. 24. and Noah and his Family with whom God renewed
Holiness and so the Inward Work of Christ from being our Justifying Righteousness or Redeeming our lost Soul p. 100. Where then and how is the Soul redeemed Is not the Soul within And is not Christ made unto true Believers Wisdom Righteousness Sanctification and Redemption and all these inwardly received and hath not this man confessed that we are saved by the Washing of Regeneration c. and so Justified or made Just by inherent Holiness from Titus 3. 5 7. Can we be both saved and Justified through this inward Washing of Regeneration and yet not redeemed nor Justified through it Oh! Confusion and Darkness to be seen and felt Arg. II. No Righteousness wrought by us is of that Worth as to redeem our lost Souls nor for that are we Justified therefore the Sufferings of Christ only c. This Argument sayes he God enabled me the first Dispute to press with full Enlargement on the Consciences of the People to secure them from the Soul-destroying Error of this man Rep. This Accusation upon me is both groundless false and malitious For 1st I never affirmed any such Doctrine as that any Righteousness wrought by the Creature doth redeem man s lost Soul to God nor place any such Infinite Worth Price or Merit upon any temporal Act or Work of Man but Christ Jesus who is God's Righteousness is the Redeemer Deli verer and so the Redemption of the Soul to God by whom also the Soul is enabled to true Obedience It is by Grace in him through Faith that we are saved not of our selves it is the Gift of God nor of Works lest any Man should boast howbeit Good Works are ordained of God that we should walk in them for we are his Workmanship created in Christ again unto good Works see Eph. 2. 8 9 10. 2dly I never undervalued the Worth of Christ's Sufferings in the Flesh far be it from me so to do though yet I cannot own this man's placing mens absolute Justification on them and from thence shutting out Christ's Inward Work of Sanctification yet thereto both the Travil of his Soul Intercession Sufferings and Sacrifice had a lively Tendency seing that both Remission and Sanctification is known through Faith in his Blood which both purgeth the Conscience sanctifieth and justifieth I do confess that as the Redemption of the Soul or its Salvation is of infinite Value so the Price that procures it must be equivalent and nothing short of infinite But I further perceive my Opposer is confounded in this matter of Satisfaction and Justification as he states it for one while he reckons t is only by God obeying God in our Nature an other while ' t is only by the Sufferings and Death of Christ which he calleth his Righteousness imputed wherein also he contradicts divers of his eminent Brethren who say that Christ could not satisfie divine Justice as Man simply by temporal Death and Suffering because Infinite Justice must be answered with an infinite Satisfaction Price or Payment for Man's Redemption Others again are of the mind that God Being Infinite and Perfect in all his Attributes both in Goodness Love and Mercy as well as Justice and Omnipotent in Power he could forgive or pardon Sin upon true Repentance without such a strict and severe Payment as before as to be sure he both can and doth To his pressing with Enlargement on the Consciences of the People viz. That they are Justified and Redeemed only by the Suffering of Christ and not by his inward Work of Sanctification and Holiness any more then by their own Works or Righteousness wrought by them The Unjustness and Unrighteousness of both such Teachers and People that follow them do manifest what little Effect such Preaching hath upon Conscience neither indeed doth it tend to any reall in ward Conviction or Remorse in order to a true Conversion but to make them believe they are already secure and saved in their Sins and pure in their own Eyes when they are not washed from their Filthiness which is to Justifie the Wicked or declare them Just and to condemn the Just or declare Christ as the Subject of his Fathers Wrath in Man's stead How falsly and corruptly have many Defiled and Guilty Consciences unjustly acquitted and eased themselves on this account But had he in Truth pressed the Necessity of Turning to the true Light in the Confidence Repeatance Regeneration the new Birth Obedience of Faith perseverance in Grace c. this might have had Impression on the Consciences in order to a Reformation and so have manifested and demonstrated the blessed 〈◊〉 and End of Christ's Coming Suffering and Sacrifice for Sinners and God s holy Design therein and his condescending to make a Covenant in his own terms with them to receive them into his Kingdom Government and Protection none of whose Terms or Covenant is Continuance in Sin or Disobediance term of Life for to be received in Covenant with God is to be received into Agreement and Union with him But after this Man hath shut out both Obedience to the Will of God through Faith Sanctification Holiness from being our justifying Righteousness or to redeem or acquit c. he essaies to mend the Matter saying It doth not shut it out either as inconsistent or a needless thing c. And wherein is Sanctification consistent and needful Is it consistent and needful to Justification y●…a or nay Take his Answer It is so far from being inconsistent that they are inseparable and the one a Means to the other Well said Is Faith and Justification consistent and Faith a Means thereof This overthrows his shutting 〈◊〉 Sanctification therein for there can be no living and justifying Faith without Sanctification But then he goes round again viz. Flying out of our selves as seeing nothing but Matter of Condemnation nation in ourselves to Jesus Christ by Faith and apprehending the Purity and Holiness of our Saviour's Heart and Life c. Whether do you fly out of your selves to Jesus Christ And by what Faith can he be seen laid hold on or his Purity be apprehended to your Justification while there is nothing seen but Matter of Condemnation in your selves For 1st The true and living Faith is not enjoyed without some Degree of Sanctification within and if without this Faith you cannot be justified then not 〈◊〉 inward Sanctification true Faith and Love by which it worketh are Fruits of the Spirit and the Mystery of Faith is held in a pure Conscience and he that believeth in the Son of God 〈◊〉 Life 2dly The Righteousness of Faith doth not bid us fly out of our selves to Christ's Sufferings without only for Justification and that while there is nothing to be seen within but Matter of Condemnation which is to impute Christ's Susfering to mens Justification while they are under Condemnation in themselves as if they were imputatively just and righteous even when really and actually damned which is a sad Imputation and none of
is Light 2. Who can have no Fellowship with him such as walk in Darkness that is Sin 3. Who have Fellowship with him such as walk in the Light as he is Light 4. the Reason why is given because such as walk in the Light are there sure experimentally to feel the Vertue of Christ's Blood to cleanse them from all Unrightcousness Where observe that the Light 's leading out of Darkness that is Unrighteousness is the same with the Blood of Jesus Christ cleansing from all Sin Sin and Darkness and to be cleansed from the one and to be translated from the other is equivalent otherwise a Man might be delivered from Darkness and walk in the Light and not be cleansed from Sin which is that Darkness a thing Absurd and Impossible In short they go together By this 't is evident that the Light being walkt in doth directly lead to God and Fellowship with him who is the Saving Light and Health of all Nations and consequently that the Light leads to Eternal Salvation Many are the Denominations that are given in Scripture to one and the same Being or Condition Christ is called The Word the Light the Saviour Emanuel a Rock a Door a Vine a Shepherd c. A State of Sin is sometimes called Darkness Death Disobedience Barrenness Rebellion Stiff-neckedness Eating of Sowr Grapes And Wicked Men Bryars Thorns Thistles Tares Dead Trees Wolves Goats c. On the contrary a State of Conversion is sometimes expressed by such words as Purged Refined Washed Cleansed Sanctified Justified Led by the Spirit Baptized by one Spirit into one Body Regenerated Redeemed Saved Bought with a Price c. And Persons so qualified The Children of God Children of Light Heirs of Glory Lambs Sheep Wheat And that by which they become or continue thus Light Spirit Fire Sword Hammer Power Grace Seed Truth Way Life Blood Water Bread Word Unction that leadeth into all Truth All which respectively is but one and the same in Nature That is Sin or a Sinful State is so variously denominated from the divers Operations and Discoveries of the Nature of it in Wicked Men. The like may be said of the several Vertues in Good and Holy Men and so of that one Divine Principle which so qualifies and preserves them For as the Primitive Saints felt the Operation of the One Holy Principle so they denominated it to men in Darkness they call'd it Light to such as believed and obeyed It became a Leader and those who witnessed their Sins conquer'd their Lusts cut down their Hearts broken and their Souls Washed Redeemed and daily Nourished they called that Divine Principle a Sword Fire Hammer Water Flesh Blood and Bread and Seed of Life In short The same Heavenly Principle became Light Wisdom Power Counsel Redemption Sanctification and Eternal Salvation unto those who believed in it So that the Variety of Expressions in the Scriptures must not be taken for so many distinct things in kind no nor sometimes in Operation And indeed notwithstanding that Light T. Hicks would have lodg'd in the bare Scriptures exclusive of the Spirit all the Men of the World met together would be confounded to give a true Account of the Matter therein contained if they were not Living Experimental Witnesses For as he is not an Evidence sufficient in Laws Humane that was not an Eye or Ear Witness neither are they Evidences for God and Christ who are not Eye and Ear Witnesses of the Light Spirit Grace and Word of God in the Heart And I boldly affirm the Scriptures speak no more for such as are not Inheritors of that Blessed Condition they declare of in some Measure or other then any Deed of Gift would do for a Person no wayes Nam'd or Interested therein It is time then for T. Hicks and his Partners to look about them lest the Midnight-Cry overtake them and their Professing Lamp be found without Oyl For I must needs tell him in the Beloved Disciple's Language He that saith he is in the Light and 〈◊〉 his Brother is in the Darkness even until now And in my own Language That I take that to be their State who shew so much Envious Displeasure against an Harmless People and those in particular that never yet Offended much less Justly provokt them But would they bring their Thoughts Words and Deeds to the Light in their own Consciences and let true Judgment pass upon them and patiently undergo the Heavenly Chastisements for their Disobedience to and Vilifying of the Light they would come to witness a turning from the Darkness to the Light and continuing therein as that Holy Way in which the Ransomed of the Lord alwayes did do and shall walk through all Generations they would know the Injoyment of Eternal Peace Yea such is the Excellency of Christ the true Light that as He was First so shall He be the Last when all Outward Performances Writings Worships yea the whole World shall be at an End the Use and Excellency of the Light will remain forever as saith John the Divine And they shall see his Face and his Name shall be written in their Fore-Heads and there shall be no Night there and they need no Candle neither Light of the Sun for the LORD GOD GIVETH THEM LIGHT and they shall Reign forever and ever Amen CHAP. VIII An Objection against the Light 's Antecedent Being to Christ's Coming It is prov'd to have been known to be a Saving Light from Adam's day through the Holy Patriarchs and Prophets time down to Christ's from the Scriptures of Truth HAving then plainly prov'd from Scripture 1. That the Light is Saving since the time of Christ beginning with its first Appearance as Manifesting Sin 2. Condemning of It. 3. Redeeming from It as obeyed And that the same Principle which is called Light is the Seed Grace Truth Word Spirit Power Unction Water Way Life Flesh and Blood and therefore not a Distinct Being from that which T. Hicks himself if he will own plain Scripture must confess doth Save I call it the LIGHT OF SALVATION OR THAT LEADS TO SALVATION But there remain yet several Objections to be Answered which done we shall immediately proceed to give Judgment upon the Question Who or What this Light is with respect to all our Adversaries Cavils Obj. Though you have thus far evinc'd the Universality of a Saving Light from the Scriptures since Christ's Life Death Resurrection and Ascension yet that which is the Pinch of the Controversie will be this Where was this before Light Had any this Saving Light they had a Light before it came in that Eminent Manner above One Thousand Six Hundred Years since It is generally believ'd that Christ's then coming benefitted the World with it in case the World universally hath such a Saving Light To which I shall give my Answer both from Scripture History and Reason The first Scripture I shall quote is in the first of Genesis So God created
as many as are Children of God are led by the Spirit of God The Scripture much of it is but a Declaration of Faith and Experience therefore not the Rule or Judge For as Faith and Experience were before Scripture so the Rule and Judge before Scripture because as I said before there is a Rule and Judge as soon as there is Faith therefore the Scripture is not that Rule or Judge And before that Declaration be answered by any they must come to the Faith Rule and Judge of which that is a Declaration So that Faith is yielding up to the Requirings of God's Spirit in us in full Assurance of the Remission of Sins through the Son of his Love and Life Everlasting from whence daily flow Works of Holiness well-pleasing to God and not a meer Assent of the Understanding to a verbal though a true Proposition The Life of a true Christian stands not in Bodyly Exercise that sayes the Apostle profits little nor in an Imitation of the Ancients in temporary things which as well the Hypocrite as the Saint can do But in self-Denyal and walking in the Spirit to bring forth the Fruits thereof unto all Godliness which is the pure and spiritual Obedience resulting from the living spiritual Faith of God's Elect and the Rule Judge thereof is their Author or Begetter even the Spirit of Truth which alone gives saving Understanding and searcheth the deep things of God O you Professors of Religion that you would but seriously weigh these things and examine your selves in God's Sight who respects none for their fair Out-sides If this saving Faith be your Faith and this Heavenly Life be your Life and if the holy Spirit be your Ruler and Leader if not you are but legal formal in the Oldness of the Letter and Runnings in your own Will which obtains not in which State not the Wisdom from above but that which is from below of the old Creature is your Rule in it you read Scripture expound it pray preach sing perform all your Duties and this is not to walk according to the Rule of the New Creature but in a legal Spirit to make a Gospel-Profession the End of which from the Lord I am to tell you will be a Bed of Sorrow Therefore resist not the Light and Spirit within but turn at the Reproof thereof that you may come to walk in the Way of Life daily Life to your Souls that so you may be quickned and made alive to God and live to him in that Life which is hid with Christ in God that being thus born again and become renewed in your inner Man you may perform that pure and spiritual Worship which is of a sweet Savour with the Lord so shall he bless you with his Heavenly Blessings and daily replenish your Souls with the unspeakable Joyes of his glorious Salvation This I heartily desire and through all Difficulties incessantly travail for in Body Soul and Spirit that the al-wise omnipotent God may be known served obeyed to and by you to your Comfort and his Eternal Honour who alone is worthy to receive it now and forever Amen William Penn. Errata for the First Part. REader Several Errors have escaped the Press partly through the Author 's frequent Absence and the Printer's many other Occasions but the most considerable of them are here noted and thou art desired hereby to correct them Contents Chap. 9 line 3. dele after Scriptures Preface Page 1. Margent dele Milt p. 2. l. 1. read at last p. 5. l. 2 3. for Ab. rogation r. Ab●…uration l. 25. for the read that p. 7. l 2 read in their Hopes l. 14. read that at page 9. l. 10. for disclaim'd read declam d. line 19. read faciunt page 10. line 32. for reduct read reduc'd page 19. line 8. for but read by line 31. read too irksom page 22. line 4. for Hammer read Humor pag. 24. line 19. begin a Parenthesis at And my and conclude it line 30. after Dominion Book Page 8. line 42. b●…ot out self p. 13 l. 38. for paws read pause p. 17. l. 12. for without read with our pag. 18. l. 25. read was to be l. 31 for it self read himself p. 20. l. 40 for these read those p. 21. l. 34. for Who Me read Who Me p. 23 l. 26. for is read are p 26. l. 7. for this before Light read this Light before page 28 l. 10. for at that time read at thi●… time p. 30. l. 2. read formeth createth l. 39. for here to read hereto pag 33. l. 2. read not with respect to any l 4. dele the whole line l. 9. for of read to l. 37. for heart he read hear the. p. 39. l 2. for bold read ●…eld p 40. l 20. read or be void p. 43. Margent l. 19. for tell read tells p. 44. l. 37. read bits pag. 45 l. 7. Marg. read Civ Dei 8. p. 47. Marg. read Id. p. 711. for Id. 4. read Id. mem 4 p 48. line 2. dele in line 22. read on that line 32. read of him page 50. line 32. read Idolatrous That line 33. Thought it let Margen dele Aru●…t de Xen. Ma●…gent for Laert. de read Lactant. de pag. 51. line 12. for Accute read Acute Marg. Plat. Phaed dele p 53. l. 25. read of the. p. 54. l. 12. for Pireen read Prienc ●…in 14. and He de●…e l. 15. dele He at the end of the line pag 55. l. 13. for Good re●…d Go●…d p. 56. Marg. for Enca●… read Aenead p. 59. l. 6 7. dele p. 61. Marg. l 3. for 1543. 123. read 123. 1543. p. 62 l. 24. for accutely read acutely p. 65. l. 13 for no read no●… p. 66. read CHAP XIII l. 12. dele not 70. Marg. l. 3. dele o. l. 12. dele ibid. p. 71. Marg. l. 2. for 48. read 84. p. 73. l. 5. read and giveth p 78. l. 30. read of Men. p. 79. l. 24. dele Prophecy and. l. 35. for then read them p 80. l. 12. for End 〈◊〉 hand p. 81. l. 29 30. for what Virgil will add to read what Eusebius will have Virgli t●… have added in p. 82. l. 35. read Occidet serpens p 83. l. 22. for Iandix read ●…anilix page 84. 〈◊〉 32. read enough to p. 87. l. 4 read Hicks then he hath dealt l. 5. read Dialogue pag. 91. l. 11. add after him so as to be no where else l. 20. read the Manifestation of Light p. 92. l 34. for dar●…st read durst page 94. l. 15. for Light read ●…llumination p. 79. l. 6 read not only p 98. l. 8. read And that pag. 101. l. 35. read 〈◊〉 willingly p. 103. l. 26. for when read whom p. 106. l. 33. for endanger'd read accessible l. 4●… for guarnison'd read garrison'd p. 107. l. 2. for inbondag'd read ●…nbondag'd l 5. read clear and broken forth l. 15. read We say l. 17. for not instrumentally read instrumentally not p. 110.
in Fundamentals Answ. First we thought that Water-Baptism had been a fundamental Point with the Baptists and do they and Presbyterians agree therein 2. Have not the Baptists whom Presbyterians call Anabaptists been accounted Hereticks by the Presbyterians Why do they now joyn against the Quakers so called 3. Dare he say there are no good People among the Quakers that he makes good People's being among Presbyterians a Reason of his joyning with them against us Is it not easy to see a manifest Dissimulation and feigned Confederacy therein among these our Opposers If our Opposer saith we have not inserted his Explications upon his Assertions Answ. That 's his Work he hath Liberty to do it himself But he hath not done it nor vindicated these his Assertions in his Pamphlet Christ's Light within asserted as it is Divine and therefore a sufficient Rule of Life unto Salvation to all that truely obey it and vindicated from Tho. Hicks his dark Exceptions fallasious and impious Arguments consisting of manifest Ignorance Confusion and Ranterism which are here inserted as they were exhibited in a Paper afterwards owned and signed by him HIs harge against G.W. That George Whitehead affirmed that there was that Light in every Man if followed that was sufficient to Salvation T. Hick's Assertions against this 1. In Answer to which it is asserted that the Light in every Man could not understand the Doctrine of Instituted Worship 2. That the Light in every Man could not understand the Doctrine of Jesus Christ concerning his coming to save Sinners 3. The Light in every Man could not bring him to the Understanding how Sin came into the World 4. The Light in every Man cannot acquaint him with the Knowledge of the Doctrine of the Resurrection of the Dead Reply G. Whitehead still affirms that God hath gratiously afforded that Light to every Man which he ought to follow and is sufficient to guide him to Salvation To his four first Assertions I query Is that Life which is the Light of Men John 1. 4. divine in it self the Light of Jesus Christ as the Eternal Word able to apprehend and bring Man clearly to see the Invisible things of God even his Eternal Power and Godhead as confessed from Rom 1. 19 20. And yet is this Light neither able to understand the Worship that 's due to him the Doctrine of Christ Jesus concerning his coming to save Sinners how Sin came into the World nor yet to acquaint Man with the Knowledge of the Resurrection can the Light apprehend or bring men to see God's Eternal Power and yet neither bring them to understand the Cause of Man's Separation and Death from God nor his Duty or Restoration to God again How manifestly in consistent and contradictory are these and how plainly doth he charge men's Ignorance and Defects for want of Obedience upon the Light within And then what is it given for and what can it do But these Assertions are grounded upon his taking it for granted that it is not a Light of Grace but of Nature when that Life which is the Light of Men is granted to be divine in its own being able to discover the Eternal Power and Godhead then which there is not a higher Power but how this divine Light should become Natural as a Creature we are still to enquire as that which neither T. H. ●…or his Brethren have ever yet proved That the Light within every Man could not be a Rule for it must be a Light of Nature or of Grace This Light cannot be understood the Light of Grace because the Scripture doth suppose a time when Men are without it It is said after those Dayes I will put my Laws in their Hearts and they shall know me that must be the Light of Grace Answ. Where doth the Scripture say that the Life of Christ which was with and in the Father which is the Light of men is the Light of Nature and not a Light of Grace The man in taking this for granted most filthily begs the Question and that contrary to his own Concession before neither doth the Scripture suppose a time wherein Men have no Light of Grace in them as he insinuates but a time when they are out of the New-Covenant and Strangers in their Minds to it as not being come into that Agreement with God or Union with his Light which this Covenant doth import And because the State and Tenour of it is both the having God's Laws written in his People's Hearts and Minds their knowing him to be their God and they to be his People and it s a Covenant of Mercy and Forgiveness of Sins past It doth not therefore follow that none of his Law is in them before they come to this Holy Attainment and Blessed Agreement though his Laws are not so universally written or deeply engraven in their Hearts before for it s now granted by divers of our Opposers who are of the more moderate 1. That the pure or holy Law which God placed in man's Hearts before Transgression was never wholy abliterated though much clouded by man's Disobedience 2. Some of these Anabaptists do confess to a Light in man which reproves for Evil and excites to good which they say is the Substance of the morral ●…aw or first Covenant which enjoyns Man truely to love and worship God and to love our Neighbours equally with our selves to do justly c. That this the very Heathens or Gentiles have in them And then I ask if this Law doth not appertain to the New-Covenant as one principle Law thereof also and never intended to be destroyed by Christ but fulfilled and renewed in his Followers who have Union with it as having a more deep impression and being more fully discovered in the Hearts of Men when become Children of this Covenant then before Was not Love the fulfilling of the Law and was not this preached by Christ's Ministers and was not love one to another both the Old and New Commandment yea the Old Commandment renewed and established If not a Light of Grace in every Man then it must be the Light of Nature but the Light in every Man cannot be sufficient to Salvation Acts 11. 18. When they heard these things they held their Peace and glorifyed God saying then hath God also to the Gentiles granted Repentance to Life then they had it not before Answ. His Argument still depends upon his former Fallacy that 't is not a Light of Grace but a Light of Nature that is in every Man as also in putting Repentance for the Light of Grace he puts the Effect for the Cause as if no man had saving Grace or a Light thereof before Repentance or Conversion whereas his Argument doth not at all prove that those Gentiles who received the Word of God had not a Light of Grace but only of Nature in them before Peter preached Jesus Christ to them but rather the contrary that it was a Light of Grace a
of Conscience and so consequently from Wrath which thou art yet highly guilty of and from which thy Water-Baptism has not washt thee T. H. You express your selves with great Varity sometimes you say 't is Christ another time its only a Measure of Christ anon its only of the Divine Essence this is a very uncertain Sound p. 3. Answ. Thou shewest thy self a dull cavilling Baptist must we be tied up to one Word to express a Principle by when the Scriptures allow of Varieties for Demonstration to divers Capacities which doth not alter the Matter This divine Light in man is exprest in the Scripture with as much Variety of Words as we do As it s called the Life the Light a Gift Manifestation Seed Kingdom of Heaven within a measure of the Gift of Christ the Grace of God c. yet one and the same spiritual and divine Life or Light T. H. Notwithstanding thy most diligent Attendance to the Light in thee that which thou callst the Light in thee hath in many things mis-guided thee p. 3. Answ. Now thou beginnest to be mad again the Light within that which I call the Light within is the very same that Christ and his Witnesses did witness to to wit In him was Life and the Life was the Light of men therefore thou hast blasphemously accounted this a misguiding Light And in thy 7th pag. hast plainly contradicted thy self herein where thou appealest to the Light in me and grantest it ought to be obeyed See how thou hast broke the neck of thy corrupt cause if it were a mis-guiding Light how dost thou for Proof appeal to it as Rule and grantest it ought to be obeyed ought that which is mis-guiding to be obeyed But the Light within ought therefore it will not mis-guide T. H. saith G. W. in his Discourse upon it urged that text Joh. 1. 4. In him was Life and the Life was the Light of men If the Life said he be the divine Essence my Words were If that Life be of the divine Being the Light must be so also Answ. This Argument thou didst never answer to purpose yet but cavillest and draws what Absurdities thou pleasest upon thy own Forgeries as will further appear only sillily thou argued against it thus viz. T. H. That the Life or Light spoken of Joh. 1. 4 9. is not supernatural because it is the Light of the Word as a Creator Answ. To which was answered that its false and inconsistent Doctrine For the Light of the Eternal Word is supernatural because the Light of the Eternal Word the Creator See here the Reason thou rendrest for its not being supernatural proves it super-natural for because it s of this divine Relation it must be divine And thou shifts but very sorrily to come off here when thou tellest me that the Life and Light commnuicated to every man from that Eternal Word is not supernatural Eternal and Divine But for this we have only thy Say-so contrary to what thou hast granted before to wit as being the Light of the Eternal Word Neither could thy other Shift serve thy turn viz. T. H. That the Life which is in God which is the Light of Men Joh. 1. 4. is divine as it is in God but natural as it is in man Answ. The Conclusion of this is Blasphemy for that divine Life is Immutable because divine it did not loose his Divinity by being given to man for being divine 't is no more subject to mutation than God is Remember here how thou wast nonplust and how thou art in a Laborinth and of this thou dost not clear thy self in all thy perverse cavilling against us Sect. II. The Life which is the Light of Men not a Creature or meer Effect c. WHereas on the Behalf of God's immediate Illumination or Shining in man's Heart for the Divinity thereof I alledged that the Cause thereof being divine this Effect thereof must needs be divine and supernatural as in my Narrative But instead of taking notice of the Words his Immediate Illumination or Shining thou art pleased to quarrel upon the Words such as is the Cause such the Effect must be and thus thou proceedest upon it viz. T. H. From this kind of Reasoning we may conclude not only the Light within but every Creature both Beasts and Trees are God these being the Effects of Infinite Wisdom dost thou not tremble at this Consequence p. 4. Answ. How causlesly dost thou quarrel Are both Beasts and Trees Immediate Effects of God's Power Did he not cause both Plants and Trees to grow out of the Earth 2ly Were these Immediate To be sure I never affirmed so many Gods as there are Effects of Infinite Wisdom But be it remembred that I never called the divine Life which is the Light of men a meer Effect but admitted of the Word Effect with reference to the Immediate Illumination or Shining of God in the Heart as being of a divine Nature because God is the Enlightener and Shiner And thou denying the Light to be of the divine Essence because communicated I urged this Argument That if the Life be divine or of the divine Being then the Light in man must be divine because the Life that was in God was that Light and such as is the Cause such is the Effect in some sence holds true in all the Effects of Infinite Wisdom true in all Creatures as they were made good God the Cause being the chiefest Good who beheld all that he had made that it was very good And God who is Light is the Fountain of Life and Light whose divine Life or Light it self which is the Light of men I never intended to be a meer Effect strictly taken as an Act of Power or thing made or created but as the Illumination or Immediate Shining in man immediately and naturally flowing from God the Fountain of Light its Envy makes thee carp and cavil and was not the Effect of the Law written in the Gentiles Hearts of the Nature of the Law Canst think thou art Ingenuous Dost think that I do not own Varieties of Effects from the Infinite Wisdom and Power of God as not only supernatural but natural both mediate providential and immediate Effects as well as Increated Immediate Products of Life Light and Vertue flowing naturally from him Yet though divine Illumination as manifested in man be an Immediate Act or Effect the Light or Life which doth illuminate is greater for it is the Cause which is more then the Effect though this Illumination hath a Living Vertue and Resemblance of the Cause in it and they are inseparable So that the Life which is the Light of Men Joh. 〈◊〉 4. being divine and of the Being of God himself who is Light it is not proper to call it a meer Effect as a thing made or a Creature as thou blindly calls it and would have it wherein thou dost meerly beg the Question and builds a false Structure thereupon Again thou
leavest out part of the Controversy between us whichw as thus viz. T. H. The Light in every Man cannot be the divine Essence in God for God is in Heaven and his Divine Essence is not communicable c. G. W. What is this but to deny the Omni-presence of God and to endeavour to confine him 〈◊〉 is Infinite and not limitable We ask if the Holy Ghost or the Eternal Spirit be not God And if this Holy Spirit be not communicable This Question in the Narrative T. H. is willing to wave as that which pinches him and thus does he reply to the Words before viz. T. H. Then it seems that the Lightwithin and the Omni presence of God is one and the same thing Is this your Champion a. 4. Answ. Thou scoffs but durst not answer God's Omnipresence divine Light and Spirit are inseparable God is Light whose Presence fills Heaven and Earth and upon whom doth not his Light arise And in what Country or People does not his Spirit come if an Infinite Spirit Whether shall I go from thy Spirit Or whether shall I flee from thy Presence Psal. 139. 7 8 9 10. His Infinite Spirit is not tyed up to a few Predestinarian Electioners who only conceit they are elected and saving Grace only free for them though in Vertue and Uprightness they be far short of many called Heathen who were a Law to themselves in Truth and Uprightness towards God and man Sect. III. The Baptist's Quarrel grounded on his Mistake about the Light and our Testimony of it T. H. THough it be granted that God is an Infinite Immutable and Perfect being will it therefore follow that every thing he created and communicated is his own being What man but a Quaker would dare affirm this Answ. Thou wrongst the Quakers as thou callst them its none of their Argument that because God is Infinite therefore every thing that he creates is so But because of his Infiniteness and Omni-presence he is near unto all men even shining in their Hearts But it is thy gross Error to take for granted that his Light in every man is Created See 2 Cor. 4. 6. God hath shined in our Hearts and that Christ that enlightens every man that cometh into the World is God in worshipping of whom we do not worship a Creature as thou falsly insinuates against us p. 6. But thou shewest thy self against the Light as an Agent of the Son of Perdition who exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the Temple of God shewing himself that he is God 2. Thes. 2. 4. Is not man this Temple of God by right And hath not this Son of Perdition or Mystery of Iniquity been exalted in Apostates above all that 's called God And what was that that was called God and that was worshipped above which this Son of Perdition exalted himself Was it not a Manifestation of the divine Life and Light And what was the Apostles Rule to try and reveal this Son of Perdition by when he wrought in a Mystery and as God did sit in the Temple of God shewing himself to be God Is it not the Day of Christ that reveals and so God himself that makes manifest this man of Sin And is not God then the Saints Rule to discover this Mystery T. H. Let me tell thee that thy Light is very imperfect forasmuch as it hath not yet instructed thee by what Name to call it whether Christ or only a Measure or Gift of Christ p. 6. Answ. Thou hast wronged my Light sor God is my Light and my Salvation and Christ is my Life and Light who is perfect and this Christ we preach as the Light of the World that enlightens every man that comes into the World though we do not say that he is revealedly or manifestly the Light in every man or by Way of Union nor yet that Christ considered as thou describes him p. 11. as to his outward Birth and Person is in any much less in every man Yet this hinders not but that as God or as with Relation to his divine Life and Light he is Infinite over all and through all and in all yet to those only revealed and united who truely obey and follow him in the Measure of his Light which is universally given unto Man-kind T. H. The Apostle did needlesly exhort the Corinthians to examine themselves whether Christ were in them or no viz. If he were in every man p. 7. Answ. Nay he bad them examine themselves whether they were in the Faith for saith he know you not your own selves that Jesus Christ is in you except you be Reprobates And if thy Mind were not reprobated and estranged from his Light in thee thou mightst know him revealed in thee But as Christ the annointed is a Mystery he is hid from thee and many more though his Light be in thee and others that is sufficient to reveal Christ and leave you without Excuse and to condemn you for Iniquity Sect. IV. Christ guides to Salvation by his Inward Light and the Baptist confounded in his opposing it T. H. I Grant that every man is enlightened has a Light in them but this doth not prove that this Light in every man is Christ nor yet sufficient of it self to guide to Salvation Christ is sufficient but I say the Light in every man is not sufficient p. 7. Answ. First If Christ hath given to every man a sufficient Light to leave them without Excuse as he hath then it is sufficient to guide and direct them unto Salvation for if they could justly charge this Light with Insufficiency for this end this would be an Excuse Secondly That Light which is sufficient to convince of Sin and lead out of it is sufficient to guide to Salvation but such is the Light of Christ in every man Thirdly God offers a good end to man in giving him Life and Grace Job 10. and this Grace tends to his Salvation if obeyed otherwise mans Destruction is of himself for his Disobedience and not Designed by the Lord in his giving him Life and Grace 4thly Thy denying the Light in every man to be sufficient to guide to Salvation is plainly enough contradicted by thee in thy confessing Christ to be the Life and Light of men p. 22. whose Life and Light is sufficient And for what end is his Light in every man given if not to direct unto Salvation Thou art not so ingenuous as to relate though thou both appealst to it and grantst it ought to be obeyed this will stand in Judgment against thee for thy false Judgment given against it in other Places as also what thou further acknowledgest viz. T. H. There is something within that checks for many Evils and excites to many good things and that I ought to shun those Evils and to do that good p. 8. Answ. If thou didst obey this something or Light within thus acknowledged
the Light within unknown to the Cavilling Baptist. T. H. WHo or what is it that obeyeth this Light and in Obedience of it is saved Or if this Light be the Rule it doth suppose a subject capable of understanding it and of yielding Obedience to it p. 4. Answ. It s placed in the Heart and Conscience of man that he with his whole Soul Mind and Spirit may understand and obey it and come to Life and Salvation in Christ being guided by his Light in the Conscience T. H. What then is the Principle Either the Light must obey it self or Darkness must obey it Answ. Thy Darkness makes thee talk thus darkly and scribble thus nonsensically the Spirit of man is to obey every degree of this divine Light given of God that the whole man may be in Subjection for which End God hath given man a spiritual Capacity and Power to obey by the Vertue of Grace that the reasonable Soul in believeing in the Light and obeying it may find Relief and more Power from God comfortably to subsist in the Way of Life and Peace with him And though it be not a Scripture Phrase to tell of two such Lights in every man as thou mentions p. 14. Yet as the Light of the Body is the Eye which seeth the object of Light and there is a single Eye which causeth the whole Body to be full of Light So in man hath God placed the Eye of the Understanding and Mind and a Conscience in the reasonable Soul which is capable of receiving the divine Light as both the supream Rule and commanding Light and they that are translated out of Darkness into it are become Children of the Light And if thou wert come to this Estate thou needst not question who is the subject of Obedience to the Light whether the whole Person or only a part for the whole man ought to be the subject and where the Eye of the mind is single the whole Body is full of Light and no part dark But for the whole person to be subject to the Light is inconsistent with thine and thy Brethrens Doctrine for Sin and Imperfection during Life Why then dost thou now suppose the whole Person to be the Subject when thou art not real in what thou implyest of the whole Persons being obedient p. 15 16. And thou dost but play the Fool and Caveller whilst thou art drawing such a Conclusion upon us as that by our Principle the Light must obey it self and in so doing be saved this is only inferred from a Fiction of thy own Framing or a Quaker of thy own making to speak as thou pleasest for the Light is given for the Benefit of Mankind that they that truely follow it and throughly obey it with Subjection of both Soul Spirit and Body may know Salvation from Sin here and Wrath her●…after And so man in his spiritual being both in Soul and Body spiritual as changed or translated from a State of Mortality may forever enjoy a State of Immortality in Glory hereafter as they who are led by the Counsel of God shall afterwards be received into Glory for man as translated into that Celestial Spiritual State is most capable of the full Enjoyment of Glory with God hereafter Sect XI Concerning the Soul of man as under divers Considerations and States and G. Fox ' s VVords so considered with ●…ight Queries added COncerning the Soul of man thou vehemently accusest us with Fancies Conceits Absurdities Nonsence and Error p. 16. Thy Instance for this is viz. That G. F. mentions in his great Mystery c. p. 68. and 100. That the Soul is part of God and of his being and that it is without beginning p. 91. and also infinite p. 29. Whence thy Inference is viz. Which is as much as to say the Soul is God then God sets up a Light in himself which he himself is to obey and in so doing he shall be saved p. 16. Answ. We cannot expect any impartial or fair Dealing from thee while Prejudice and Envy do possess thee who hast both falsly and ignorantly represented G. F. and both curtayled and perverted his Words and the Sence of them And all these things mentioned by thee he does not speak of the Soul or Spirit of man as made or formed in him though composed of Spiritual Parts nor use these Expressions that the Soul or Spirit of the Creature Man is a part of God without beginning neither was the Phrase part of God originally G. F's but his Opposers only admitted of by him by Way of Question as plainly appears p. 100. with Relation to that which came out from God that immediate Spirit of Life which gives Being Life and Subsistance to the Soul and he doth distinguish between the Soul and Christ the Bishop of it between the Soul and the Saviour of it as plainly appears in many places of the said Book and the Soul could no otherwise be deemed infinite then as Man is said to be the Image and Glory of God namely by a Participation thereof so he speaks of the Soul in a two-fold Sense as First With reference to that which came out from God which is the Original Life or Soul of every Man's Soul Secondly With Respect to man as being made a living Soul by Vertue of the Spirit of Life proceeding from God And so with Relation to the first he questions Is not that of God which comes out from God Great Mystery p. 68. But with Relation to the latter viz. Man he speaks distinctly of the Soul as neither God nor Christ neither doth he confound the Being of man with the Infinite Being of his Creator as is implyed in our Opposers angry Charge for as every Spiritual Being or Existence is not divine so the Spirit or Spiritual Parts of Man are not God though a divine Light and Capacity is placed in them And G. F. doth not only speak of the Soul in a two-fold Sense viz. with Relation to its original Life and with Relation to man in his Spirituality but of the Soul of man as in several States as First Of the Souls being in Death in Transgression man's Spirit unsanctified the Soul being come into Death transgressing the Law c. Great Mystery p. 91. Therein he cannot intend the infinite Essence Being or Life of God or Christ which is immutable and unchangeably pure and holy though thereby the Soul is upheld in its Being and Immortality whether in Comfort or Misery Secondly Of the Soul and Spirit of Man as sanctified living to God in his Life through a diligent hearkening to the Counsel and Voice of God and feeling of his Hand which brings up out of Death and restores the Soul that it may live in Christ the Preserver and Overseer of it to praise God the Saviour being one Soul in that State as they that are joyned to the Lord are one Spirit As also G. F. adds viz. Every Man that cometh into the World having a
departed from them so as neither Life nor Substance is to be found in them but a dark Spirit of Enmity and Opposition against the true Power and Life is centered in them Yea the same Spirit which walketh in dry Places I wish they were truely sensible of it X. Of knowing Christ and his Coming Reign and Deity UPon 2 Cor. 5. 16. Though I have known Christ after the Flesh yet from henceforth know I him so no more H. G's Exposition is That the Word know here doth hold forth to esteem regard allow or to approve by Way of Preference p. 58. Now if we read his Exposition herein upon the Text it runs thus viz. Though I have known or esteemed regarded or approved Christ after the Flesh by Way of Preference yet from henceforth do I esteem regard or approve of him so no more and then how must I regard and prefer him but after the Spirit and in his spiritual Manifestation as I know him in me to be my Hope Life and Stay But how does this agree with his Discription of Jesus Christ as the alone Saviour As consisting of a human Body of Flesh and Bone as before p. 31. and 55. and with his saying that the Spirit or blessed Comforter cannot be the Saviour and Mediator p. 46. But this he hath also eminently Contradicted in confessing that The Power of Christ's Spirit risen in us is for our Sanctification and Renovation p. 54. To which I add that the Apostle witnessed that the ingrafted Word is able to save your Souls or the Word that is grafted in you as some have it Jam. 1. 21. and see 1 Pet. 1. 23. and the Spirit is Life giveth Life quickneth sanctifieth it self maketh Intercession And if ye through the Spirit mortifie the Deeds of the Flesh ye shall live Rom. 8. Therefore the Word and Spirit which are one do save the Obedient Whereas H. G. saith Some of those Cazers and Waiters viz. that look for Christ's personal Reign was Paul Peter and John yea all the primitive Saints though Christ was come in Spirit to them as gloriously c. p. 60. I deny that they were any such Gazers after Christ's Ascension and glorious spiritual Appearance and Revelation in them he hath herein asperst Paul Peter and John and all the primitive Saints with gazing for Christ's personal Reign which he reckons his second Coming to Salvation wherein he hath not only rendred all the Saints and former Witnesses of Christ to be such uncertain Gazers abroad but their Hope Expectation and Faith ineffectual and fruitless as to such a Coming and they to be disappointed of Salvation for a personal Coming and Reign of Christ as this man speaks of they attained not in their Dayes neither is it yet nor are Baptists like to see such a personal Reign though he has rendred all the primitive Saints Gazers and Waiters for it whereas Christ said unto his Disciples Verily I say unto you there be some standing here which shall not taste of Death till they see the Son of Man coming in his Kingdom Math. 16. 28. or till they have seen the Kingdom of God come with Power Mark 9. 1. As for H. G's human personal Christ consisting or meerly made up of Flesh and Bone finite weak subject to Passion as we are who as such he deems the alone Saviour with his unscriptural Expressions he puts upon him as outward Existence personal Existence personal Subsistence human Nature second Person of the Trinity c. p. 46. and 83. and 94. And yet in Contradiction he is made to confess him to be the most high God p. 80. Jesus of Nazareth truely God the most high God as is the Father and of the same Substance and Essence yet distinguished from the Father as touching his personal Subsistence p. 83. I cannot but look upon this Relation to be non-sensical and confusedly intermixt with those unscriptural Terms of which let the ingenuous Reader judge that can distinguish between the Body which Christ took upon him and the divine Being this Relation of his tends farther to stumble and keep distant both Jews and Others thus to represent Jesus Christ as a meer Body consisting of Flesh and Bone human Nature finite weak c. and then saying He is the most high God of the same Essence c. And his rendring him only a Saviour after this his own imaginary human or earthly manner he hath sufficiently confuted by these Reasons wherewith he proves Jesus Christ his Deity or Being God and as such the Saviour orgiveth Power unto others to become the Sons of God 1st From his Name the mighty God the true God the only wise God God blessed for ever Isa. 9. 6. 1 Joh. 5. 20. Jude 25. and Rom. 9. 5. 2ly His making and creating the World Joh. 1. 1 3. Col. 2. 16. Heb. 2. 10. 3ly His upholding and preserving the whole Creation Heb. 1. 3. Col. 1. 17. 4ly His knowing all things Joh. 12. 17. and 2. 24 25. Psa. 139. and 4. 10. Job 36. 4. and Ch. 38. 5ly His searching the Heart Jer. 17. Rev. 2. 23. 6ly His being the fist and the last Isa. 44. 6. and 48. 12. Rev. 2. 8. 17. 7ly His having spiritual Worship or divine Adoration due to him Mat. 8. 2. and 28. 17. Luke 24. 52. Joh. 8. 38. Heb. 1. 6. Phil. 2. 10. 8ly His having Power to forgive or pardon Iniquity Mat. Ch. 9. and Mark 2. 5. Luke 5. 21. 9ly In that the Saints ought to pray to him Act. 9. 14. Rom. 10. 9 10. 1 Cor. 1. 2. 10ly His having Power to give the Holy Spirit and Saving Graces Math. 3. 11. Mark 1. 4. Ephes. 4. 8 9. 11ly His being equal with God Phil. 2. 6 7. Zach. 13. 7. 12ly His having Power to lay down his Life and to raise it up again Joh. 2. 19. and 10. 18. 13ly His being the Object Author and Finisher of the true Believers Faith Joh. 14. 1. and 9. 35. Heb. 12. 2. 14ly He who can by his own Name proper Power and Authority give Power unto others to become the Sons of God must needs be God himself but that Christ doth and can do this is evident Joh. 1. 11 12. He doth adopt regenerate or make others the Children of God by the effectual Working of his blessed Spirit in the Hearts by which they are interested in all the Priviledges of the Covenant of Grace which none can do save God alone p. 91 92. Thus far H. G. to his own eminent Confutation and Contradiction hath assented to Truth in Words and how Jesus Christ is the Object of Faith and Giver of Power to men to become the Sons of God and how he makes them his Children by the effectual Workings of his blessed Spirit in their Hearts even because he is God Eternal in that none can do those but God alone according to Isa. 43. 10 11 12. and 45. 14. and 49. 26. and 63. 〈◊〉 Jer. 14. 8. Hos. 13.
4. 1 Tim. 1. 1. and 4. 10. Jude 25. But how doth H. G's Confession and these Scriptures agree with the Discription he gives of Jesus Christ as Saviour and as the only true Christ viz. That he consists of a Body of Flesh and Bone human Nature being finite weak subject to passion as we are saith he p. 94. Let the Reader judge how gross and confused he is in these matters and whether the true Christ and Saviour doth either consist of an earthly Nature or finite being or was subject to Passion as fallen men are The Truth of it is this Man hath confest more to the Deity and divine Power of Christ and so to save and beget men to himself as God alone more then most of the Baptists that I have met withall before for one of his Brethren to wit W. Burnet a Preacher saith That Christ as he was the Word which was God was not a Saviour as he was God he could not save Man in his Book stiled the Capital Principles p. 35. which denyes the Omnipotency of God but this Baptist H. G. grants that it is the Power and Spirit of God himself or God alone that doth regenerate and make men his Children whence it follows that then it was not meerly the outward Body of Jesus that was the Saviour though he was a Saviour in that Body but it was by the Divine Power or Holy Spirit of the Father in him XI His Erroneous Distinction about the Light BUt whereas H. G. accounts the Light and Knowledge of God as Creator that was given to the Gentiles Rom. 1. 19. and Chap. 2. 14 15. But the Light of the Moon to guide their Paths and so much inferior to that of a crucified Jesus as that it leaves them utterly void of the saving Knowledge of the Gospel and of a crucified Jesus p. 68 69. Mark here how he hath undervalued the Light and Knowledge of the glorious Creator whom before he has in Words exalted above all in the Work of Regeneration and Christ as man but as finite weak c. But now alass with him the Light and Knowledge of the glorious Creator is but the Light of the Moon in comparison of the Light and Knowledge of Christ as man though in that Weakness as crucified how egregiously he is involved in gross Consusion and self-Contradiction in these things he that runs may read and no such distinction nor contrariety between the Light of God and the Light of his Son is owned in Scripture ●…or I and my Father are one saith Christ and the Father Word and holy Spirit are one And the same Life which was in him was the Light of Men Joh. 1. 4. and this Life which in due time was manifested was the same eternal Life which was with the Father 1Joh 1. 1. 2. which Light or Life they that obey a●…d follow in its Appearance and Guidance it brings them to a Fellowship with the Father and with the Son and this is not the Light of the Moon as our Opposer blindly and unscripturally terms it But seeing he saith this Law or Light is given to guide their Paths by which the Gentiles are taught their Duty to God in Morals I ask him whether will this Light guide their Paths if not in the Way to Salvation And whether will they go and to what End if they obey and follow it Does not the Apostle for a Proof of a justified State instance it in the Gentiles shewing the Effects of the Law written in their Hearts Rom. 2. 13 14 15 16. And what Nature was that by which those Gentiles did those things contained in the Law surely it was not the corrupt Nature for that is inconsistent the Law being holy just and good and though these Gentiles had not the Law in the Letter of it as many now have not the litteral Discription or histotical Relation of Christ's outward Sufferings must they therefore be damned to Hell What Cruelty were this to condemn Nations for want of the Scriptures But as those Gentiles who had not the Law in the Letter and yet had and obeyed it in the Spirit were both therein a Law to themselves and excused in the Sight of God in the day when he judgeth the Secrets of Men by Jesus Christ according to the Gospel Rom. 2. 16. So those Gentiles and Peoples who obey the Light and Life of the Son of God in them though they have not the historical Knowledge and Profession of Christ as he was Man and suffered Death in the Flesh c. Yet they are truely accepted of God and more real Christians inwardly then many of you that have the Scriptures and an historical Faith and Profession of the Man Christ and of Christianity outwardly for in all Nations every one that fears God and worketh Righteousness is accepted of him Depart from Evil and do Good and dwell for evermore And this the Light of the Son of God implanted in the Hearts of all Nations teacheth and herein the Grace of God that bringeth Salvation hath appeared unto all Men Tit. 2. 11. But it is the Error and Mistake of these Men to put their historical Notions and Profession of the Man Christ for the Light of Christ in Man whereas their Notions and Professions are neither any real Knowledge of the Man Christ nor the Principle of his Light in Man for the one is traditional and acquired by Man and so but dark the other is the immediate and divine unchangeable Gift of Christ in Man which indeed is the Light of the Eternal Word the glorious Creator but as these men's pretended Light and Knowledge of the man Christ is what they get out of Scriptures with their own private Interpretations on them so they hereby render Christ and his Light as limitted only to such Places and People as have the Scriptures opposing his divine Omni-presence and denying him his Right which is the Heathen for his Inheritance and the uttermost Parts of the Earth for his Possession Psa. 2. Now as for that Morality as he calls it which the Law of the first Covenant and Light implanted in the Hea●…ts of all Man-kind teacheth in the true Nature and Inten●… thereof it falleth no more short of Christianity then Godliness doth for this Law and Light teacheth Man to love the Lord God with all his Heart and Soul c. and his Neighbour as himself this do saith Christ and thou shalt live in answer to the Question what shall I do to inherit Eternal Life Luke 10. 25 26 27 28. This is the highest Morality or Duty of Man-kind even this Love to God and one another which is the fulfilling of the Law And this is both taught by the Light within and Power given by the Grace of God to fulfil it which the Law without in the Letter cannot do Now if the Jews Way to inherit Eternal Life was through the Grace or Help of God to fulfil what was written as before then
true Union with him and Knowledge of him to experience his Indwelling as he dwelleth in us and we in him if we keep his Commandments and thus the true Believer hath the Witness in himself which that thou mightst experience was thy Sister 's wholsom Advice to thee to believe in the Light that reproves for Sin which enlightens every one that cometh into the World and so thou mightst in Love and Humility have received the Witness in thy self which if thou hadst obeyed thou durst never have prayed so wickedly as God forbid that ever I should own their Principle of the Light in all contrary to thy pretended Praises and Hallelujah to God for the Witness within neither co●…ldst thou have opposed the Witness in the Believer to the Light which reproves for sin which enlighteth every man as thou hast done H. G. This Witness through Grace I in measure do Experience not that I believe in that Light which every man that cometh into the World is inlightened with for Life and Salvation that is insufficient c. pag. 19. Answ. If thou rejectest the Gift or Measure of the Light or Life of Christ within thou rejectest the saithfull Witness Christ the Giver and canst not know him to be thy Saviour while thou art disobedient to his Light within and Christ and his Light in man are so inseperable that he who obeys and believes in his Light within he and his Faith must needs have a dependance upon Christ the Enlightner who is the Object Author and Finisher of Faith and so upon God who is the Fountain of Light who shineth in man's heart to give the knowledge of his Glory in the Face of his Son and hereby is the benefit of him as the one Offering and the vertue of his Blood known that both Sanctifies and makes Perfect XII His Groundless Comparison and Distinction between the Light of God in Man and the Light of Christ or Gospel further Refuted ANd whereas in thy other Book from Rom. 1. 19. and Chap. 2. 14 15. thou callest the Law or Light of God in men The Law or Light of the Moon to Guide their Paths by which they are taught their duty to God in morrals but understand nothing of the glorious Mystery of the Gospel pag. 6●… To this I Answer 1. Those Gentiles mentioned in Rom. 1. had a Sight and Knowledge of the Invisible things of God even his Eternal Power and God-head ver 19 20. was this but the Light of the Moon and was there nothing of the Gospel or Mystery of it in this whereas the very reason of their becoming foolish vain in their Imaginations darkned and reprobated in their minds was that because that when they knew God they glorified him not as God ver 21. they did not like to retain God in their knowledge ver 28. Therefore if they had continued in the Light given them glorified him as God and retained him in their knowledge they had been preserved unto Salvation out of that dark reprobate state and out of those gross evils which they fell into 2. Those Gentiles mentioned Rom. 2. 15. were accused or excused according to that Light or Law of God in their hearts and the secrets of them and all men to be Judged by Jesus Christ according to the Gospel but could this be or were it Just if there were no Law nor Light of Jesus Christ and Gospel given men are they and their secrets to be judged by a Law or Light which they never had in secret for my Part I know none so gross and partial as to affirm it on any serious Thoughts or Consideration 3. If the Light of God and his Knowledge be but the Light of the Moon and the Light of Christ the Light of the Sun how doth he demonstrate this difference between God and Christ and the Light of each and wherein the Glory of the one so far exceedeth the other or can any suppose there is a Light proceeding from Christ as man that so far excels the Light flowing from him as he is God or the Eternal Word as the Light of the Sun doth the Light of the Moon what Scripture hath H. G. for this distinction are not God and Christ and holy Spirit One and one Eternal Light and Fulness in their own Being and so the Light immediately shining or flowing thence unto man's Heart and Conscience one Divine Light though manifest by degrees and in several measures being still one in kind in man And this which H. G. calleth the Law or Light of the Moon is granted to be 1st The Light of Jesus Christ as the Eternal Word 2dly That which may be known of God manifest in men 3dly That Light which gives the Light and Knowledge of God and his Eternal Power 4dly The Law written in the Gentiles hearts who were a Law to themselves to which I add If men truely believe in and obey the Light of the Eternal Word in them and retain the sence and Knowledge of God as therein they receive it they will find Preservation and Acceptance with God for is the Improvement of any more then what 's given required XIII His belying us with denying the Man Christ Jesus to cloak his own Absurdity and Ignorance of Christ and his Being AGain H. G. To prove thy slanders 1. That we deny the man Christ Jesus 2. That we are found daily in the Sight of all Persons denying that man to be Christ who was born of the Virgin c. pag. 20 21. Thou judgest us insolent for saying we are falsly accused and guilty of this If it be absurd as we judge it is to say Christ doth Consist of a human Body of Flesh and Bone pag. 21. which is thy own absurdity To these I say Though we never deny'd the man Christ Jesus nor him to be Christ that was born of the Virgin according to the Flesh yet I must still count it absurd to say That Christ doth Consist or is made up of a human Body of Flesh and Bone for that 1. because Christ the Son of God was and had a Being before he took upon him that Flesh or Body in the Virgin 2. Because that when he took upon him that Body and even in the dayes of the Flesh he was spirit as well as had Flesh. 3. In that he is ascended up where he was before and far above all Heavens and is glorified with the same Glory that he had with the Father before the World began 4. He was before all things and by him all things consist this is truely our Christ and Saviour But If your Christ doth consist of a human or earthly Body of Flesh and Bone our Christ who consisteth of quickning spirit and heavenly Body of divine Life and Light a spiritual and glorious body is above you and yours so we must leave you Anabaptists with your earthly Christ consisting of a human Body of Flesh and Bone together with your empty and lifeless Shadows
Sins past and that through Faith in the Name and Blood of Christ which hath a secret Influence upon the Soul and sprinkleth the Conscience from dead Works in order both to Pardon and Justification upon the Act of living and true Faith in Christ yea Christ as the one Off●…ing Sacrifice and Propitiation for the Sins of the whole World which puts away Sin consecrates makes true Believers holy and declares God's Coming near to Man in Kindness I say Christ as thus considered hath an inward Influence and Effect upon the believing and penitent Soul to bring it near to God and render it capable of receiving Mercy and Forgiveness and of seeling the Pardon and Peace upon true Conversion from Sin and Evil yea I further testifie that God looks upon and hath a regard to every Appearance and Effect of his Grace and Spirit in the Heart Soul even from the very first Act of Faith springing up and budding of Grace to the highest Growth thereof even from Davids Repentance to his Songs of Deliverance from Niniveh's believing God and repenting to his Peoples walking in Newness of Life from the Prodigal's Return to his Father's House to his abiding therein yea the first Appearance of true Tenderness Remiss and Brokeness of Heart or godly Sorrow for Sin the Lord hath Regard to the Creature for the sake thereof still from the Respect he naturally hath to his Grace and Spirit that works these in Man To this Man will I look saith the Lord that is poor and of a contrite Spirit and trembleth at my Word The Work of Christ or Grace in the Heart from the Beginning to the Accomplishment thereof is acceptable to God because of the Dignity of him that worketh it and not from any Dignity or Worth of the Creatures own but only the Creature is accepted as in Christ we are accepted in the Beloved and it is for Christ's sake that God forgiveth us and not meerly for our own Howbeit it is so far as we are related to Christ and have an Interest in him and his Righteousness by a living Faith that God owns and looks upon us in a Way of Acceptance he respects his own Image in us and doth not justifie acquit or accept Men only upon the Account of Christ's Sufferings and Acts of Obedience as done in his Person for if he did then were all Men justified for whom Christ dyed and that was the whole World all Men in general he tasted Death for every Man yet his Obedience and Sufferings in the Flesh had a good End and Effect be being through all both acceptable and prevailing with God for the good of Mankind we must needs partake of the Benefit and Effects thereof in our Souls so far as they have an Influence upon us by the Life and Power of Christ considering the Travel of his Soul through all his Sufferings which were inward as well as outward his Soul being made an Offering for Sin and his making Intercession ●…or the Transgressors was that Men might be influenced with a real Sence and Sorrow under their own Sin and be made sensible of Christ's Sufferings and Travil of Soul and know the Fellowship thereof and so be made conformable to his Death through the Operation of his Spirit and Life in them as that they may be raised up in the Likeness of Christ's Resurrection in Dominion and Triumph over Sin and Death and not plead Christ's Satisfaction and Righteousness only as in himself in their ●…ead to absolve or justifie the Guilty whom God will not clear nor acquit the Wicked Christ's Righteousness will not excuse any in Unrighteousness for he was a holy Example as well as a Sacrifice and Propitiation and he that saith he hath an Interest in Christ's Rightcousness or that he abideth in Christ ought to walk as he walked Now the Question is not Whether Christ was a most Satisfactory Sacrifice or well-pleasing to the Father for that is undeniable He was the Delight of the Father's Soul who gave himself for us an Offering and a Sacrifice to God for a sweet smelling Savour Ephes. 5. 1 2. But In what State and Condition are we acquitted pardoned and justified of God and in what Nature whether as fallen sinful guilty Persons in our selves and that meerly by the Sufferings of Christ in his own Person which were finite without respect to his Work in us Or as Converted Believers Sanctified Obedient new Creatures in Christ accepted and so justified in his own Righteousness as real Partakers thereof The latter is the Justification and Imputation which I plead for and not the former I would not have Men flatter themselves nor one another in Sin and Darkness with Christ having done all paid all satisfied God for all Sins past present and to come and that in their stead nor to think themselves thereby absolved acquitted and justified in their Sins and fallen Estate for such Doctrine hath stre●…gthned the Hands of many Evil-Doers and made many Hypocrites who are yet to undergoe a Sence of the Judgments and Terrors of the Lord and to know Repentance from deadWorks before they receive Forgiveness of Sins past or Jesus Christ as the Attonement or their Peace for he came in the Likeness of sinful Flesh that he might condemn Sin in the Flesh before Man be justified from it If the Question be What is it that gives us Interest in Christ's Righteousness Or upon which it is imputed or reckoned to us He answers Our Faith Rom. 10. 10. If the Question be What will evidence our Faith to be living and sound Faith He answers Our sincere Obedience to the Law Jam. 2. 24. You see then how that by Works a man is Justified and not by Faith only we are Justified by Works as Evidencing our Faith living by Faith as giving Interest in Christ's Righteousness by Christ's Righteousness as constituting ●…s Righteous c. p. 91. The Reader may see I take the better part of his Confession as well as the worse He hath truly confest here 1st That it is our living and sound Faith that gives us Interest in Christ's Righteousness and upon which it is imputed or reckoned to us 2dly That our sincere Obedience to the Law or Works of Faith doth evidence our Faith to be living and sound from whence it follows that none are Justified but who are in a living and sound Faith in Christ and sincere Obedience to his Law Therefore Justification was not effected or compleated without us by Christ's Sufferings or Death in his Person for he dyed for our Sins but rose again for our Justification which is effected even in bringing forth in us the Answer of a Good Conscience nor art thou either Justified or pronounced Righteous in the Sight of God whoever thou art who art a guilty Person a fallen Creature accused by Moses unsanctified unregenerate Impure see how manifestly the Man hath contradicted himself in these Passages one while in Justifying the guilty or
from the Life and Work of God in us And is not this our Love or such Conformity inherent in us as we dwell in God and God in us 6thly What the Law saith it is to those that are under the Law but we true Believers are not under the Law but under Grace and shall we Sin because we are no more under the Law but under Grace God forbid for how can we that are dead unto Sin live any longer therein But whereas this Opposer's main Charge is You have not from the beginning of life to the end perfectly obeyed the Law or been invested with a sinless Righteousness Perfection c. This is not stated according to his own Doctrine and Principle which concludes that there is no such Perfection attainable in this Life either in the beginning middle or end of Life so that according to his own Doctrine he should have stated it thus and it may justly be charged upon these Sin-Pleasers viz. You have lived in Sin and Disobedience all your Life long and have preached to others that perfect Freedom from Sin and Corruption is not attainable in this Life by any either in the beginning or end of Life but have preached many into more Loosness Liberty of Sinning by telling them that 't is God's good Pleasure not to remove the being of Sin in this Life but to suffer Corruptions to remain in his Saints to keep them humble so no part of your Life is pure or clean but corrupt sinful What have you to plead or say for yo●…r selves why Sentence of Damnation ●…hould not pass upon you The Sin-pleasi●…g Presbyter pl●…ads viz. Christ's holy Life and Suffering is our only Defence or Apology against this Charge p. 9●… Though I am Guilty yet S●…tisfication hath been made for that Guilt because therefore the same Fault cannot b●… twice 〈◊〉 after Satisfaction t is as if it never were This is the only way of Defence we have at God's Tribunal p. 90. Christ s Sufferings are they for which God will Justifie us they have fully satisfied Justice for our Sins We may be confident they will secure us from Condemnation it being agai●…st Justice to punish those Sinners a second time that h●…ve been punished to the full already p. 106. To all which it may be justly replyed and reflected upon you who are thus pleading and maki●…g your Apology in your Si●…s unholy Life This will not cover nor excuse you in your Sins if you live and dye in Sin your Mouths will be stopt you will not be able to plead Christ's holy Life and Sufferings to resc●… you from Condemnation except you Repent ye shall all likewise perish What Influence or Effect hath Christ s holy Life or S●…fferings upon you only you pro●…ess and plead them So it may be said Christ was ever Holy but you were never holy Christ was a Sacrifice of a sweet smelling Savour to God which neither your Life nor Actions seem any thing of but contrary wise are a b●…d Savour to him Christ was an holy and perfect Example which you never followed no●… ever intend to follow so long as you live for you do not believe it is attainable Christ came to condemn Sin in the Flesh which you keep alive and plead for in your Flesh as long as you live Christ also came to fulfil the Righteousness of the Law in us who walk not after the Flesh but after the Spirit but you do not own nor believe its-Fulfilling to be in your Persons but only in Christ's Person Christ's Blood was not only for R●…mission of Sins past but is to cleanse from all Sin to purge the Conscience sanctify c. This you reject and in your Sins and defiled Con●…iences trample the Blood of the Covenant under Foor and add to the Sufferings of Christ and the Sin of his Persecutors by adding Sin unto Sin and so grieving his Spirit all your dayes and pleading his Holy Life for your Defence therein and so the Guilt of his Blood will be charged upon you in the day of Judgment if you repent not And surther you 〈◊〉 charge divine Justice with punishing your Sins to the ●…ull in Christ or punishing him that was ever Innoc●… to the full sor your Sins so that you count it against Justice to punish your Sins again i●… you though you live and dye in them and yet you think it an excellent piece of Justice to punish the Innocent to the full for the Guilty But your Mistake herein is g●…oss as will further appear and you will not be acquitted nor clear'd hereby This will not prove you invested with Christ's everlasting Righteousness nor will this cover your own Filthy Rags or hide your Shame A●…d while you think that you are secured in your Sins from the Stroke of Justice as having been fully executed and that by way of Revenge upon the Innocent Son of God in punishing your Sins to the full upon him I say while vou state this as the Nature of the Satisfaction by Christ's Suffering in your stead the whole World may as well acquit it self from Punishment thereby as you for he dyed for all and is the Propitiation for the Sins of the whole World and therefore if this must be lookt upon as the full Punishment of Sin laid upon Christ and that the Sin cannot be twice punished after such Satisfaction this may make a merry World in Sin once punisht to the full in Christ never to be punished again upon the Offender which the Law directly takes hold of Oh Sinner's soothing Doctrine to make the wicked World rejoyce in a Sinful State and say Oh Admirable Justice that was pleased thus to Revenge thy self upon an Innocent Man that never sinned to punish our Sin to the full upon him O transcendent Mercy that hast found out this expedient that we might be fully acquitted pardoned and discharged from the Penalty that is Just and due to us for all our Sins past present and to come Oh! what Glad Tidings are these to the Hypocrites and Drunkards c. And how merry they are apt to be in their Sins upon their Ministers Proclaiming such an Act of Indemnity of all Offences and Injuries past present and to come not only against their Neighbours but against God himself But if it be objected That without Sound Faith which is a working Faith men have not an Interest in Christ's Obedience Righteousness or Satisfaction nor are we Invested with any thing for which God should pronounce us Righteous c. p. 93. 94. From hence it follows then that if they remain in Unbelief they have no Interest in Christ's Righteousness or Satisfaction and then the Consequence is Christ did not make Satisfaction in our stead nor was punished for the Sin of Unbelief nor for the Effects of Unbelief to acquit us therein for what Sins then was he punished to the full But above all it appears wonderful strange that God could not
and after a full Satisfaction and Payment made to the Prince in his stead by a Person of Intrest with him Could it be Just in the Prince to detain his Inheritance from him Or Suppose the Surety hath made full Payment and Satisfaction in the Debtors stead both to what Law and Severity could demand Could the Creditor justly detain the Debtor in Prison for some great and ear●…est Solicitation to be made by his Surety for him Or were it proper for the Person for whom the Satisfaction is thus made to cry out Good Sr. forgive me my Debts c. if all past present and to come be fully payed by the Surety And yet those Persons that are of this Opinion pray to God to forgive them their Trespasses or Debts as they forgive others c. but is their forgiving of Debts either a Casting the Debtors or their Sureties into Prison till they have payed the uttermost Farthing Surely that is not Forgiveness whereas the Intercession made to God doth acknowledg his Dominion Power and Justice as having been offended and a Subjection due to him and also his Grace as that which Man oweth due Obedie●…ce and Respect to Notwithstanding this man who has pleaded such a kind of Satisfaction by Justice or Wrath punishing their Sins in Christ he is not only Rigid or Severe but Partial in his Opinion like a Sect-Maker limiting this Satisfaction and the Extent of saving Grace only to a few and yet that few not allowed the Priviledge to be delivered from the Being of Sin in this Life In his saying That This Satisfaction was designed for all them who through special Grace in time believe these all are delivered here from the Guilt and reigning Power of Sin and so are out of their Fetters and shall hereafter be delivered from the Being of Sin Rep. That Satisfaction that was made and Testimony of God's Love and Mercy that was given by the Sacrifice and Death of Christ and as he is the Propitiation it was for ALL Men by the Grace of God he tasted Death for every Man for the Sins of the whole World he dyed for ALL MEN not only Presbyterians or a few particular Predestinarians but all Men or Mankind in general That as many as live should not live unto themselves but unto him that dyed and rose again 2 Cor. 5. 15. Who his own self bare our Sins in his own Body on the Tree that we being Dead unto Sin should live unto Righteousness 1 Pet. 2. 24. And see verse 21 22 23. It is plain that Christ's Suffering under the Burthen of Sin and Dying for all Men pointed at an other End and had another kind of Embleme in it then Mens living in Sin all their Dayes or their not expecting Freedom from the Being of Sin till after Death this is not to suffer or dye with Christ nor to come to the Blood of Sprinkling which only frees from the Guilt of Sin by sprinkling and purging the Conscience from the Being of it The Ignorance and Absurdity of the contrary Sin-pleasing Doctrine is sufficiently detected before And why Presbyterians Satisfaction of Revengeful Wrath in your stead or the Death of Christ as Satisfaction in your stead to free you from everlasting Burning and forgive your Sins Why for you more then the whole World besides Did not Christ dye for all Men as well as you And yet none are pardoned or in a justified State until they come Christ to ease them and they to have true and living Faith in his Name and Power and so to be led by that eternal Spirit by which he offered up himself a Lamb without Spot to God Obj. Nor can this Writer nominate one of us that encourageth Men to take Liberty of sinning from the Consideration of Christ's Satisfaction the Lord convince and humble Slanderers Rep. What ever you think or pretend your Doctrines are Sin-pleasing and give Liberty therein your disputing for Imperfection and Sin all your Dayes your justifying the Sinner or the Unjust while justly condemned in himself by the Light of Christ your setting sorth Christ as made the Subject o●… God's Wrath and Revenge in your stead and saying that divine Justice which you term vindictive or revengeful Wrath was satisfied in your stead by punishing your Sin to the full in Christ and that thereby you are secured from Hell c. though you continue in Sin or uphold the Being of it all your Dayes and deserve to have your Failings and Infirmities cast as Dung into your Faces as is confest and yet you count your selves imputatively Righteous pardoned and justified c. even while you are saying Let us with Paul abhor all Sanctification in us c. S. S. p. 102. Let us place no Confidence in Sanctification c. p. 103. The very Nature and Tendence of these and such Doctrines is Sin-pleasing and soothing and grateful to Hypocrites encouraging them to take Liberty of Sinning all their Life time if they can but be so credulous or self-confident as to believe they are Elect Persons and secured from Damnation on the Account of your Notion of Satisfaction that pretends and imputes Revengeful Wrath and Severity to Christ but Ease to your selves in your Sins But this your empty devised Notion will prove neither your Justification nor Security in the great approaching Day of God which shall declare every man's Work wherein he will judge the Secrets of Men by Christ Jesus according to the Gospel and every Man must give an Account of himself to God and be Rewarded according to the Deeds done in the Body whether they be Good or whether they be Evil AN APPENDIX Wherein The Controversie is summed up and resolved partly by Way of Question and Answer with a plain Intimation of my Sense thereof as relating unto the 2d 3d and 4th Chapters before Quest. 1. WHat was the Nature and Extent of Christ's Sufferings Answ. Not an undergoing infinite Wrath or vindictive Justice so called at the Hands of his Father for that is the just Reward of Rebels against God Christ and free Grace but 1st The Weight and Burthen of Sin and Grief of Soul because thereof as seeing the Punishment and Wrath incurred by the Rebellious 2. The Fury of his Persecutors in his undergoing that cruel Death of the Cross inflicted on his Body by wicked Hands and Murtherers so that his Sufferings were two-fold both inw●…ard and outward 3. His real Desire Travil of SouI and good Will through all was for the Benefit and Good of all Mankind even for the whole World for whom he suffered and dyed that all who receive him might be spiritually influenced with his holy Life and partake of his Mind and Will which stood in subjection to the Father Quest. 2. What was the true Signification Intent and Ends of Christ's Sufferings Answ. 1. To evince God's long Suffering towards all men for whom Christ gave himself a Ransom for a Testimony in due
with the Assemblies Opinion and Stephen Scandret's uncertain Proposition for it His Abuse of divers Scriptures in his State of the Case for a personal Election answered and the Way of God's ●…hoosing resolved The Weakness of his two first Arguments touching God's Decree and Promises His gross Ignorance of those Names written in the Lamb's Book Arg. 3. His Impertinency and ignorant Allegation and mis-understanding of divers Scriptures concerning God's Choice and Ordination and the Cause of Mens Destruction opened against Argum. 4. Persons being chosen proves not their Eternal Election as Persons Concerning Jacob and Esau Christ's Sheep those that come are drawn and given unto him of the Father Arg. 5 6. Election explained God's loving Jacob and hating Esau their Posterities concerned therein And how far the two Births were figured in Jacob and Esau. Our Opposers blasphemously placing a partial Resolution upon God as creating Persons with Intention to leave them to Destruction contrary to his universal Call and Tenders of Salvation The Unchangeableness of God's Election in what State and our Opposers Ignorance and Error concerning God's Purpose My unanswered Objection of setting Life and Death before Men and warning them of Destruction The Cause of God's hardning Pharoah Judas and others not grounded upon meer Will and Pleasure but for their Rebellion Touching the Fall of particular Angels and Men the Tendence of God's long-Suffering towards the Wicke●… and my Opposer's Confession to Truth to the ●…tter Overthrow of his Opinion Presbyterians M●…ckery in their Warnings setting Life Death conditional Promises and Threats before People contrary to their partial Opinion of an eternal personal Election and Reprobation The sad Consequence of their accusing God with decreeing to deny saving Grace to particular Persons yea to the greater Part of Mankind shewing that divine Justice it self hath not so decreed Grace differing from Debt The Reason why God finds Fault with Men. The Question Who hath resisted his Will resolved Their urging all to for sake Sin contradictory to their Opinion and not in true Eaith Their Flattering many with fair Pretences contrary to their own Intentions the poor Encouragement and cold Comfort that their Doctrine of a personal Reprobation yields to the greatest Part of Mankind The wise God the just Judge is the Ordeiner of the Punishment not of the Fact nor the Author of Sin or their Wickedness who persecuted Christ. Hypocritical Priests making and strengthning Hypocrites by deceitfully daubing them up in their Sins and flattering them with a You are not fallen from Grace while they are guilty of gross Wickedness Concerning God's Convenant with David and his Seed and the Mystery typified in him To all which is added a short Postscript A Brief Introduction TO The following Discourse concerning Election and Reprobation STephen Scandret begins with an absolute false Charge against me as Depraving God's Truth whenas according to plain Scripture without any Depravation thereof I examined their partial and graceless Opinion as their making God the Ordeiner of whatsoever comes to pass both as to the States and Ends of Men and their placing his Decree thereof from all Eternity upon particular Persons and no●… upon the two Seeds and Conditions wherein Election and Reprobation do originally consist which in time extends to Persons only as related to the good or evil Seed and not from a partial absolute and meer voluntary Decree and Design to particular Persons as their narrow and silly Opinion imports which I opposed and that from the Scriptures of Truth testifying 1. God's Good-Will and Grace to Mankind in general 2. The real Causes on their Parts of his Severity towards them and their Reprobation I ●…aid down the Presbyterian Principle and Opinion as it may be seen in their Confession and Catechism agreed upon by their Assembly of Divines so called at Westminster and approved by the general Assembly of the Kirk of Scotland as where they say in their 3d Chapter That God from all Eternity did by the most wise and holy Counsel of his own Will freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass And that by the Decree of God for the Manifestation of his Glory some Men and Angels are predestinated unto everlasting Life and others fore-ordained unto everlasting Death and that these Angels and Men thus predestinated and fore-ordeined are particularly and unchangeably designed their Number so certain and definite that it cannot be either encreased or diminished c. And also upon the same Principle they add in their tenth Chapter That all those whom God hath predestinated unto Life and those only he is pleased effectually to call by his Word and Spirit out of the State of Sin and Death in which they are by Nature to Grace and Salvation by Jesus Christ enlightning their Minds spiritually and savingly to understand the things of God c. And in their eleaventh Chapter God did from all Eternity decree to justifie all the Elected and Christ did in the Fulness of time dye for their Sins and rise again for their Justification The Consequence of this Doctrine with a plain and scriptural Answer and Confutation are laid down in the latter End of our Book entituled The Glory of Christ's Light within expelling Darkness which Book yet remains unanswered by S. S. both as to this and other Heads wherein he and his Brethren are concerned though now in order to vindicate this Doctrine he layes down the Proposition thus S. Scandret That God did most freely and unchangeably and from all Eternity choose some particular Persons to partake of saving Grace c. from whence it will necessarily follow That he hath reprobated or passed by others I must manifest this by Parts Answ. In Opposition to this Partiality unjustly charged upon God I must assert this Proposition That God's eternal Election stands originally in his own Seed of Promise and free Grace thereby freely tendered to all Mankind both Jews and Gentiles and all Men in the first place left free for a Share therein and none are reprobated but who first reject this Grace and like not to retain God in their Knowledge his words that he hath reprobated or passed by others are very doubtful being as much as to say that either God hath from all Eternity reprobated particular Persons or left them to Reprobate themselves It is then either God's Act or the Creatures which as appears this Man's Masters the pretended Divines could not resolve and we do not expect him to be a more pro●…ound Divine then his Tutors However their Opinion at least reflects upon God as passi●…g by the greater part of Mankind without a●…ording them any Saving Grace or the least Spiritual Assistance of Divine Light or Life so as if he thus takes no notice of them at all but passeth by them they must inevitably be left to Destruction and eternal Misery by this Graceless and Uncharitable Opinion which tends greatly to ●…cclipse the Glory of
Lord and because thereof to be written in the Earth therefore it follows that if People abide with the Lord he will both abide with them and their Names shall not be blotted out of the Book of Life nor shall they be written in the Earth And this also evinceth that they are not by Name as particular Persons either absolutely elected to Salvation nor reprobated to Damnation but on Condition of abiding with or forsaking the Lord. Arg. 4. All that are chosen do infallibly believe in time and partake of Christ's Righteousness Acts 13. 48. As many as were ordeined to Eternal Life believed Rom. 11 7. The Elect have obtained it therefore some particular Persons were elec●…ed for if all were Elected all would infallibly believe c. Answ. This is also a very frivolous dull and impertinent Argument and wholy misseth the State of his Proposition and the Controversies between us In the first place he begs the Question while he intends it to particular Persons as eyed and absolutely designed particularly from all Eternity to Salvation c. whenas the Question is not Whether those that are chosen through Sanctification do infallibly believe nor Whether Election which i●… in the Seed doth not in due time extend to particular Persons For those Persons or People who are true Believers are come into the Elect Seed being ingrafted into the tr●…e Root are in the Election which obtains the Inheritance And as true Belief Faith and Obedience are the Terms upon which Life Eternal is promised and received so on the same Conditions Life is freely te●…dered in the Son of God to all Man-Kind yea to the whole World God so loved the World that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting Li●…e for God sent not his Son into the World to condemn the World but that the World through him might be saved Joh. 3. 16 17. This plainly cuts off that Opinion of a secret Decree and absolute Design from Eternity against the greatest Part of Mankind for their Destruction for it cannot be consistent with him to have so decreed Damnation from all Eternity ●…or those he ●…roffereth in time to save by his Son upon Believing Obeying and therefore as to that of Acts 13. 48. some have it thus And they believed even as many as were ordeined or fitted for Eternal Life which may not oppose Christ's Testimony before Whosoever believeth on the Son shall have Eternal Life which is promised not as meerly respecting particular Persons but that Condition on which 't is universally tendered as namely to be accepted in a living Faith and sincere Obedience But some more Ingenuous and as much learned as this Man affirm that the Word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which is translated Acts 13. 48. ordeined signifies well appointed set in good Order prepared or disposed So as many whose Hearts were prepared or well-disposed viz. in a Willingness of mind and right Order of Spirit having true Desires sor eternal Life believed as the good Ground or honest Heart that received the good Seed so as it took Root And as when Lydia heard the A●…ostles God opened her Heart that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul Acts 16. 14. And as Barnabas exhorted the People that with Purpose of Heart they would cleave unto the Lord Acts 11. 23. Here was a true Preparation in them both for Believing and Eternal Life And further from that of Acts 13. 46. it is evident that both the Word of the Lord was preached and Life Eternal tendered to those Jews who rejected it or put the Word of God from them and judged themselves unworthy of Everlasting Life Wherefore surely God did not from all Eternity either absolutely design them as particular Persons to Damnation or to pass them by for that End for he did not pass them by without taking notice of them but gave them notice of the Way of Life and Salvation tendring it to them by his Spirit in his Messengers which had been a Contradiction to himself if he had from Eternity absolutely decreed the contrary But the envious Jews opposing and rejecting the Word of God judged themselves unworthy of Everlasting Life wherein they rejected their Hope which was of the Lord therefore their Destruction was of themselves whereupon Paul and Barnabas said Lo we turn to the Gentiles for so hath the Lord commanded us saying I have set thee for a Light of the Gentiles that thou shouldst be for Salvation unto the Ends of the Earth and thereupon the Gentiles were glad c. vers 47. So that here was universal Grace and Salvation preached and tendered to all as that which God had foretold and promised who did not exclude any from the Benefit thereof nor was any hindred from Life and Salvation but who excluded themselves being such as judged themselves unworthy of Everlasting Life Arg. 5. Jacob was a particular Person and loved before he sect 4 had done any Good according to God's Purpose of Election Answ. He hath herein wrested the Scripture for it doth not say that Jacob was then loved and Esau hated before they had done Good or Evil as he renders the Words for then it may be asked what he hated Esau for before he had done Good or Evil Did he hate him for nothing Surely no but what was said before they were born or had done Good or Evil was by Way of Prophecy The Elder shall serve the Younger what is this to their Eternal States Jacob had no need of Esau's Service in Hell And then to the following Words as it is written Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated where was it written and how doth it relate to Jacob and Esau Doth it relate to them meerly as particular Persons under such a Limitation of Election and Reprobation from Eternity or rather to their Posterities as under such different Qualifications of Love and Hatred Could God absolutely determine to hate any particular Persons meerly as Persons without respect to either the good or evil Qualifications or Works as before they had done Good or Evil This were blasphemously to render him in Enmity against his own Works as if he had made Man or forced him into the World unavoidably to destroy a●…d damn him to all Eternity whereas the Mercies of God are over all his Works a great and principal Part whereof is Mankind And as for that which is written o●… his loving Jacob and hating Esau it is in Malchie 1. Their Posterities were called by their Names that People of the Edomites who succeded Esau who was called Edom * both in Name and Nature Gen. 36. 19. whom Men should call the Border of Wi●…kedness which could not be till they were wicked and ha●… acted Wickedness These were they against whom because of t●…eir Wickedness God had and against such st●…ll 〈◊〉 Indignation forever and hereupon his Decree is ab●…olute against the
Who notwithstanding after that said I keep my Body under and bring it into Subjection left that by any means when I have preached to others I my self should be a Cast away 1 Cor. 9. 27. and those whom the Apostle Peter in his first Epistle calls Elect in his second Epistle he exhorts to give all D●…ligence to make their Calling and Election sure that so they might never fall 2 Peter 1. 10. Exhorting or warning them from divers Examples of them that fell from Grace denyed the Lord that bought them backslid and became Enemies Chap. 2. throughout And this second Epistle was to stir up their pure minds Chap. 3. 1. 2dly Election in the heighth or perfection of it as attained to in the full Growth of the Elect Seed and Establishment of the Children of Light in and by the Grace of God through Diligence and Faithfulness on their parts this admits not of being deceived nor of falling nor of backsliding as Christ intimates an Impossibility that the very Elect should be deceived Mat. 24. 24. And they who through Diligence have made their Calling and Election sure shall never fall 2 Pet. 1. 10. being grown up in the Life Nature a●…d Image of the Elect Seed which the Prince of the World hath nothing in Oh! All you in whom there yet remains a Sincerity and Breathing after the Lord labour in the Light of Christ by the Assistance of his Grace in you to make your Calling and Election sure in this Elect Seed and none conceit your selves secure out of it For God's Fore-knowledge and Fore-appointment of his People sect 4 unto Life and Glory is in this his own Seed in this they are known of him related to him in this chosen of him and Choice to him and in his sight as his peculiar Treasure in this he did fore-know and doth predestinate or appoint them to be conformed to the Image of his Son that he might be the First-Born in many Brethren Rom. 8. 29. yea and the sanctified Children of believing Parents Their Growth and Security was to be in this Elect Seed of Life or otherwise they might degenerate as Israel of old did after they were planted of a Noble Vine and an holy right Seed If it should be said that this of Rom. 8. intimates some special Fore-knowledge and Purpose of God concerning these many Brethren thus Conformed as unto Witnesses chosen before of God Christ s Resurrection was manifest for them to preach Act. 10. 40 41. To this I say Grant it doth We confess both God's Fore-sight and Fore-knowledge of his own and deny not his Omniscienc●… nor limit his Power or Omnipotency from shewing forth it self both how after what manner at what time and in whom soever he pleaseth as sometimes he doth miraculously upon Eminent Occasions and for peculiar Works Ends and special Services as is that of true Prophets Apostles Ministers of Righteousness or those many Brethren unto whom in their Day Christ was first manifest and in whom he was first revealed formed and born who in their Day were first raised up to witness forth his Power as the Prophet Jeremiah was sanctified before he came forth of the Womb for his peculiar Service as an Eminent Prophet and John was filled with the holy Ghost from his Mothers Womb that he might be a Witness to the Messiah and Paul was miraculously stopt from Persecution by a Heavenly Vision which he obeyed and was called into the Work of a Faithful Apostle God having separated him from his Mothers Womb and called him by his Grace to shew forth his Universal Kindness and Love to others to turn People from Darkness to the Light and many other Instances might be shewn of God's taking particular notice of his Witnesses and Servants for peculiar Services yet the Growth standing and Security of all was by Faith and Obedience in the Power of God who though in their Age and Times were as the first and so Choice Fruits to God yet this neither hinders his second Fruits but rather to further them and his Work so as his Name might be the more spread Nor do these Instances prove any Limitation of God's universal Love in Christ as only to a few Nor frustrate the free extent of his Grace nor yet hinder Salvation from being common in the Freeness and free Tenders of it to Mankind CHAP. VI. Whether PERFECTION that is a State sreed from all Sin be attainable in this Life Let the Reader observe the State of the Question which is not Whether the Saints had Failings or upon extream Tryals might not be tempted into Impatiency but Whether such a State of Perfection be attainable in this Life which we affirm Attainable chiefly because of the Aid and Assistance of God's Power afforded unto them who wait upon him and trust in his Name and Power for Greater is He that is in us then he that is in the World Christ is stronger then the Devil therefore the Devil is not an invincible Enemy and we can do all things through Christ that strengthneth us 2. A Sinless State is attainable by true Believers because God hath commanded it who doth not command Impossibilities to Abraham and his Seed and said I am God Almighty walk before me and be thou perfect Sin not Be ye perfect a●… y ur h●…avenly Father is perfect 3. Because he hath promised it to his peculiar People Thy People shall be a●…l Righteous they shall do no Iniquity that trust in the Name of the Lord Christ shall thorowly Purge his Floor 4. Christ's Work and Ministry is to destroy the Work of the Devil to present men perfect to bring them to a perfect man in him to subject every Thought unto his Obedience c. Therefore to affirm the contrary or that a State free from all Sin is not attainable in this Life is to oppose the all-Sufficiency of God's Almighty Power and t●… set the Devil's Power above it as also to oppose the Ends of God's Command Promise the Work of Christ and his Ministry which to oppose or render frustratious by pleading or arguing for Sins Continuance in this Life is Impious and Antichristian And how far this Opposer is herein concerned will further appear Whereas he puts two differing Senses on the word Perfection viz. a State free from all Sin as that of the Spirits of Just men Heb. 12. 23. And yet that it doth not alwayes sig●…ifie free from all Sin c. I ask then What Christ maketh true Believers perfect in Is it in any thing consistent with Sin or in himself in whom is no Sin whom he that abideth in sinneth not I cannot understand that Perfection as it is the Effect of Christ's Work in true Believers can admit of the Continuance of Sin all their Dayes while it signifies both the Reality and Compleatness of his Works His Instance for P●…rfection not free from all Sin is Job 1. 1. Job was a Perfect man yet not without Sin
p. 64. and when that shall be he explains p. 85. at his Coming in the End of the World quoting 1 Thes. 4. 17. Mark Reader here how plainly he contradicteth his Saying That At Death Sin is forever totally abolished Now it is in the End of the World when Christ cometh Personally as he supposeth to Judgment So by this confused Work one while Sin is Not done away in this Life another while it Is done away At Death another while it Is done away After Death another while it is Not done away Till the last Trump or End of the World whereas there are many Believers and Saints deceased in the mean time and many long since dissolved as to their outward Man what becomes of their Souls between the Time of their Departure and the End of the World for he hath confessed that No Unclean Thing shall enter the Kingdom of God So then if the Saints deceased be not throughly cleansed from Sin before nor Sin to be done away till the E●…d of the World what other Place besides Heaven ca●… he provide or think of for the Saints deceased How can he avoid the Pope's imagined Purgatory unless he hold the Mortality of the Soul that it dyes or sleeps in the Dust with the Body To his alledging That the Ministry is to continue to the last Trump and to the last Trump will Sin be in the Saints but then in a Moment will the Saints be changed and perfected If he intends that the Saints have their Benefit and part in the Ministry each in their Life time and several Ages how doth this clear his concluding that to the End of the World or last Trump Sin will be in the Saints that then in a Moment they shall be changed for many of the Saints are deceased many Hundreds of Years since which if Sin be in them still they do not particularly partake of the blessed End of Christ's Ministry and Gifts which were for the Perfecting of the Saints till all come into the Unity of the Faith and of the Knowledge of the Son of God unto a Perfect Man c. and yet those deceased Saints are not now under the Ministry of Apostles c. From Ephes. 4. 13. he saith That perfect Man is Christ with all his Members for he consists of many and he is thus to be a perfect Man in the other World not this pag. 46. Whereas the Benefit of God's Gifts did as well extend to the particular Saints and Members of his Body as to the whole Body to wit till we all come in the Unity of the Faith c. That we henceforth be no more Children tossed to and fro c. Ephes. 4. 14. There is no Danger of their being tossed in the other World with Windy Doctrines Both their Perfection and Establishment and Growing up in Christ in all things being Effects of his Gifts and Ministry which were experienced and obtained in this Life S. S. The Ministry and Scriptures were perfecting the Saints as long as they live Deut. 17. 19. The King shall read therein all the Dayes of his Life that he may Learn to fear therein the Lord his God If he is to Learn to fear God all the Dayes of his Life c. pag. 65. Answ. Are the Saints then but a Learning to fear the Lord God all the Dayes of their Life or Doth that King in the time of the Old Covenant represent the best State of the Saints in the New the King that was forbidden to multiply Wives Horses Silver or Gold to himself Are the best of Saints in the New Covenant in Danger of these things and therefore to be restrained by an outward Law that their Hearts turn not away from the Lord whereas he hath promised I will put my Fear in their Hearts and they shall not depart from me and this is a Condition of his Everlasting Covenant That there is a time of Perfecting Believers or Saints before they are Perfected I confess as while God was Creating the World it was not Created but I differ with him in his counting it God's good Pleasure that Sin should remain in the Saints and that to keep them Humble either till Death till after Death or to the End of the World and it were more absurd to say That Sin will remain even in the Saints deceased till the End of the World to keep them Humble It is true as he saith That whilst a Carpenter is building an House the House is not builded pag. 65. but then if the Carpenter undertakes to build a House and bargains for a Price to build it and then doth not build it or tells a Man whose Money he hath got It is true I took your Money to perfect this Building but I can get but little of it builded you must not expect to have it builded while you live Would not the Man reply then Give me my Money again But Carpenters do not use to cheat men thus They that are Honest do not use to serve People as you pretended Ministers do who say You are sent for Perfecting the Saints and for this take Money and Gifts and Rewards and yet tell them Perfection is NOT attainable in this Life Honest Carpenters would not deal thus with them In Psalm 119. 1 2 3 4. Blessed are the Undefiled in the Way he saith In Point of Justification Believers are in Christ their Head clear as the Moon fair as the Sun In Point of Sanctification through the Renewing and Assisting Grace they do not allow themselves in any known Sin but in God's Fear oppose all pag. 65. He hath said enough to break the Neck of his own Cause 1st Unless to be In Christ Spotless Clear as the Moon and Fair as the Sun be a Spotted or Sinful State 2dly Unless that there must remain some Sins in those that are in Christ which cannot be known to them whereas he that abideth in Christ sinneth not And He hath left us an Example that we should follow his Steps who did not sin And the Word Justifie sometimes useth to signifie to make Just by inherent Holyness or to Sanctifie as he confesseth pag. 89. Upon Titus 3. 5. 7. But if to evade this he renders Justification in their sense of Im●…utation then it is to reckon them Spotless Clear as the Moon Fair as the Sun who are yet Spotted Corrupted and Defiled with Sin But if in the Fear of the Lord true Believers through Renewing and Assisting Grace do not allow themselves in any known Sin but in God's Fear oppose all then if a Discovery of all Sin by the Light be attainable to them not only to Oppose but to Overcome all Sin through assisting Grace is attainable in this Life for Resist the Devil and he will flye And we can do all things through Christ that strengthneth us knowing our Faith in him which is the Victory and also obtaineth actual Dominion over Sin Whereas Psal. 119. 3. They also do no Iniquity
as it pleaseth God or that shall inherit God's Kingdom Howbeit As to be Quickened implieth a Death first and Resurrection a Fall before and to be Changed that there was either a vile corruptible Suffering or low Estate before So all that come to know Christ in them and the Body dead because of Sin know the Spirit to be Life because of Righteousness And if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the Dead dwell in you he that raised up Jesus from the Dead shall also quicken your mortal Bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you Rom. 8. 10 11 12 13. And this plainly is a quickening unto Righteousness by the Spirit dwelling within which is far from being a Proof of T. H's Opinion though cited by him And as in the first Adam is both the Fall and Death come over all men so in the second Adam who is the Resurrection and the Life all are made alive and that unto Righteousness who first come to see the Body dead because of Sin and the Deeds of the Body mortified Rom. 8. 13. or who come to know Christ and the Power of his Resurrection and the Fellowship of his Sufferings being made conformable unto his Death these attain unto the Resurrection of the Dead Phil. 3. 10 11. Such do not strive for a Notion thereof but to attain to it As to the manner of Existences or Beings of all men in the World to come there is no Necessity for any to be taking thought or busying their Minds about them it being in the Pleasure and Wisdom of God to reserve all to their due and deserved Ends in an immortal Capacity Our present Concernment is so to know and esteem of Christ as that we may be found in him not only mortified to the Corruptions of this World through the Fellowship of his Suffering and Conformity unto his Death But also interessed in that blessed Resurrection which is only attained to in Christ who is the Resurrection and the Life that he may be magnified in our Body whether by Life or Death To what he saith in his 59. pag. about the B●…dy that was dead about that It which is raised about the So●…l and the Seed of God the Matter is answered else where yet First All that know the Body dead because of Sin having mortified the Deeds of the Flesh and being conformable to the Death of Christ as dead with him shall alfo be quickned and raised up by his Spirit that dwells in them which is Life because of Righteousness and such only can speak experimentally of the Seed of God and the Soul 2dly That there is a Seed of God and a Seed of the Serpent in Mankind according to G. F. Junior's relation he further tells you that they that discern the Body of each Seed are not the Fools which are questioning how the dead should be raised and with what Body for they know that all Mankind will be found in one of these two Seeds By which it is plain he doth not exclude men from a future Being or Immortality nor confound them with the very Being of God though it is by his invisible Power that all are upheld in their respective Existences in Immortality whether they be found in the Nature and Image of the good Seed or of the evil T. H. And since he calls them Fools that is the Apostles and all true Christians that say This Body of Flesh and Bones shall arise pag. 59. Rep. He should have produced his plain Scripture for the Apostles so saying where are these Words to be found in all the Scriptures of the new Testament that this Body of Flesh and Bones shall arise again Doth not the Apostle say the contrary Thou sowest not that Body that shall be And Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God But must we then suppose as some Professors do That these Bodies of Flesh and Bones shall inherit the Kingdom of God without any Blood in them Or that after they are returned to Dust they shall arise again the self same as they are without any new Creation I confess this is such kind of new Philosophy as I have not read of before The man has run himself into such strange Confusion and wholy misses the Sense of the Resurrection and the Life and over looks the true Seed and Root of the Matter while in his vain mind he is imagining muddling and Devil-like disputing about the Body which in Comparison of the immortal Existence and being of Man is but an outside Case earthly Shell or Husk that disolveth Again he saith If this Seed of the Serpent be only Sin and the Seed of Christ only Grace it is only Sin and Grace which shall arise again p. 60. Oh the gross Darkness and Ignorance of this Man He knows not the Seed of the Serpent from whence Sin springs nor the Seed of God from whence Grace and Life flows But falsly supposes that our Principle extinguishes the future distinct beings of Men though it hath been plainly told him that all Mankind will be found in one of these two Seeds As also we testifie from that Sence of Life and Immortality that is brought to Light in us through the Gospel That the Soul whole spiritual Man and spiritual Body shall exist in Immortality yea though our outward Man perish yet the inward Man is renewed day by day and in order to possess an eternal Weight of Glory 2 Cor. 4. This inward Man is neither extinguish'd by the perishing of the outward Man nor thereby deprived of that Advantage which is an eternal Weight of Glory And that God giveth it a Body as it pleaseth him and to every Seed his own Body or his proper Body The Man would know what this It is shewing his Dubiousness of his own Assertion before viz. That it is a mortal Body of Flesh and Bones whether it shall be raised and go to Heaven with any Blood in it he tells us not and that the Body given it is the same for Substance that is as good Sense as to say the Body of Flesh and Bones shall when it is raised have the same Body of Flesh and Bones given to it whereas it is to every Seed his proper Body which is comprehensive both of the Seed of the Righteous and the Seed of the Wicked of the Seed of God and the Seed of the Serpent and so comprehends and takes in the whole Body of Mankind under those two Relations and Natures not to dissolve or extinguish their Rational Intelligible Beings with the perishing and dissolvable Earthly Outside or Case but that all shall be reserved for their due and proper Ends according to the Seed Nature and Image which their Soul carries with it when it parts with the Earthly Cloathing And whereas it is said that It is sown a Natural Body it is raised a Spiritual Body the great Stress is laid on the particle IT which may as well be applyed to Wheat or
other Grain It is sown and It is raised when the Body or outside of that very Corn that is sown is dead though the innate Virtue or Life doth not in it self dye nor fruitlesly expire Thou sowest not that Body that shall be c. yet in these two relations It is used as relative both to that which is sown and to that Body that shall be while in the very next Words to those before cited it is said there is a Natural Body and there is a Spiritual Body 1 Cor. 15. 44. and these can no more be the self-same then Celestial and Terrestrial Bodies can or then the first Adam and the laft Adam or the Earthly and the Heavenly which the Apostle plaiuly distinguisheth between as he doth betwixt the Natural and the Spiritual But whereas T. H. and his Brethren so much argue from the word It as It is sown a Natural Body It is raised a Spiritual they take this It for Idem corpus the self-same Body in both Their Mistake is evident they have not this either from the Greek or Latin see 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 seminatur corpus animale surgit corpus spirituale i. e. a Natural or Animal Body is sown a Spiritual Body riseth it is not Idem surgit Nor would this agree with the next Words There is a Natural Body and there is a Spiritual Body This admits of no such Transubstantiation as that the self-same Natural Body should become Spiritual or be the Subject of such an Accident And it is sown 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 an Animal Body or as having Life a Living Body which therefore cannot be the Body as dead and laid in the Graves for in that Condition they are not Corpus Animale for that relates to the Earthly Adam or Body of Mankind as having a natural Life ●…nd must not even the Animal or Natural Man dye before the Spiritual Man be risen or Immortality in Christ be put on And is not the Natural or Animal Man doposed to the Renewed Man 1 Cor. 2. 14. And the Seed which is sown in Weakness must needs have some Degree of Life in it when sown whether Natural or Spiritual and the Weakness and Corruption doth relate to the Subject in which it is sown if the Seed it self be incorruptible And as the First Man is of the Earth Earthly the second Man is the Lord from Heaven and As is the Earthly Such are they also that are Earthly and As is the Heavenly Such are they that are Heavenly ver 47 48. which if this be owned it must be granted that they that are Heavenly must have Bodies sutable viz. Heavenly or Spiritual Bodies this Heavenly being the second Man the Lord from Heaven ver 47. And mark As is the Heavenly Such are they that are Heavenly which cannot be the same with Earthly any more then the Image of the Heavenly can be the Image of the Earthly And as to our being asked what this Mortal is that must put on Immortality Though Mortal in this place implies a dying Condition of Man as the Effect of Sin as in Adam all dye yet it cannot as having put on Immortality be relative to Flesh and Blood but as admitted in a Heavenly and Spiritual Sense for the Apostle plainly tells us but a little before Now this I say Brethren that Flesh and Blood cannot inherit the Kingdom of God neither doth Corruption inherit Incorruption Behold I shew you a Mystery We shall not all Sleep but we shall all be Changed ver 50 51. And so by that Life and Immortality which is brought to Light we see beyond Death and Mortality and we though as in a dying State yet behold Immortality being quickned by the second Adam and renewed again into the Image of the Heavenly being made alive in Christ who redeems Man from Death ransoms the Soul from the Power of the Grave who swallows up Mortality and Death in Life and Victory and saith O Death I will be thy Plagues O Grave I will be thy Destruction Hos. 13 14. Isa. 25. 8. by whom also Death being so swallow'd up into Victory the Sting of it which is Sin taken away They who thus have their part in Christ who is the Resurrection and Life can truly say Thanks be to God who gives us the Victory through our Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 15. ●…7 And to take off further Surmisings against us I tell my Opposer that this Resurrection or Change extends not only to a Raising of Man up from Sin to Righteousness but also to an Eternal Glory And 't is not only the Raising up of the Seed or Grace in Man as he supposes but the Raising up of Man from Sin Death Hell and the Grave even in the Seed and Life which is the Ransom and this answers his Cavils in his 6●… and 61. Pages only where he fictitiously makes us speak thus viz. Qu. We believe the Resurrection of the Body though we know not what that Body is which shall rise And then he absurdly makes a Christian to answer thus viz. Chr. Thou saidst before the Light within was the divine Essence either then thy Light within thee is not God or God knows not all things c. Reply First he feigneth the Quacker though we will never own him to be our Mouth for the Words were not so spoken by me or us but that we ought not to be too Curious or Inquisitive in things beyond our Capacities as to the Manner of the Existences hereafter or how Men shall be reserved unto their several Ends and Rewards for God knows how to do it but we being sensible of the different Seeds we cannot be altogether ignorant of the Nature of each Body being proper to the Seed it belongs to Yet if with John we say it doth not yet appear what we shall be it is Satisfaction that we know what Manner of Love the Father hath bestowed upon us that we should be called the Sons of God for such are Sons of the Resurrection 2dly T. H. abuses the Christian by making him speak absurdly that which implies that if Man have a Divine Light in him he must needs know all that the Light knows or else either conclude that the Light is not Divine or else God is not Omniscient and then it follows from hence that none have either a Divine Light or God dwelling in them unless they know as much as God which was a Temptation to Man at first and by this he hath shut out all not only the fallen World but God's People also from having any Divine Light or Power of God in them He scoffs at some of our Friends saying We own the Resurrection that is We witness it and then adds But what is it you witness the Resurrection of the Seed 'T is Christ in you Ans. Is this a matter to be taunted or scoffed at Hath he truly acted the part of a Christian thus to slight the Arising of the Righteous
if a Heathen that hath not this Law outwardly written should ask the same Question what shall I do to inherit Eternal Life He may truely be answered Obey the Light or Law of thy Maker in thy Heart which tells thee Thou must love and honour him above all and do Injury or Wrong to no Man this do and thou shalt inherit eternal Life for this End the Grace of God is free for thee XII Our Doctrine for turning People to the Light within justified H. G. NOne of the true Gospel-Preachers did ever teach such a Doctrine as this is which the Quakers preach namely bid People turn to the Light within p. 63. 64. H. G. Contra. That God who commanded Light to shine out of Darkness hath shined in our Hearts 2 Cor. 4. Concession Who doth deny that Holy Men did endeavour to turn Men and Women from Darkness to the Light to leave their Sins to turn from all their wicked Abominations and Unfruitful Works of Darkness to God and Christ p. 67. What may be known of God is manifest in Men Rom. 1. pag. 68 69. Anim. If God hath shined in our Hearts and what may be known of God be manifest in Men must they not turn to his Shining and Illumination For God is Light whose inward Light which we testifie to is become the main stumbling Block and Rock of Offence to these dark Opposers And where was the Darkness which holy Men endeavoured to turn others from was it not within And the Light shines in Darkness the Light of God and Christ which their Minds were to be turned unto it was not an outward created or natural Light but inward and Spiritual and so rceived God hath shined in our Hearts see 2 Cor. 4. 6. his Concession to this overturns him And if the Quakers do not prove these very bare Words in Scripture to wit turn to the Light within it doth not therefore follow that they cannot prove the Matter of such a Doctrine as turn to the Light within see Deut 30. 1. 2. both in Tindal's Translation and in the Bible in folio London printed in the Year 1576. Thou shalt turn into thy Heart and shalt return unto the Lord thy God c. As also to the Question wherewith shall a young Man cleanse his Wayes the Answer and Direction is saith H. G. pag. 64. by taking Heed thereto according to thy Word Psalm 119. 9. And did not David hide this Word in his Heart that he might not sin against God And both Moses and the Apostle say the Word is nigh thee in thy Heart Deut. 30. Rom. 10. And did not Jesus say There is yet a little Light in you as some Copies have it Joh. 12. 35. And while you have the Light believe in the Light that you be the Children of the Light ver 36. Many other Instances of this Doctrine might be urged XIII Of Christ as at the Father's right Hand c. I May not well omit one Passage of H.G. which had like to have been buried in the bulk and heap of his Rubbish that is after he denies the Spirit to be Saviour though present to prove the Saviour absent he saith He is ascended into Heaven and hath a real outward Existence at the Father's right Hand p. 46. an outward glorified Existence in the Kingdom of his Father or Glory above p. 47 To which I say The Saviour is not absent from them that are saved for Christ said He that is with you shall be in you His ascending into Heaven yea and far above all Heavens was not that he might remain absent from his Church but rather that being departed from them in his outward Presence or Body he might be the more present with them and in them in the Spirit and Power of the Father And Christ being exalted at the Father's right Hand is no Proof that he is remote separate or absent from his People and Members any more then that the Father's right Hand of Power is absent and remote from them though we see what gross Apprehensions some Men have of God and Christ who thus would exclude limit or circumscribe them yea God and his right Hand of Power only to a Place distant from his People and Children which doth not only strengthen gross Apprehensions in the Ignorant to keep them in Ignorance dark Thoughts and car●…al Imaginations concerning God and his right Hand as if he were a Body or Person like themselves but also opposeth his Infiniteness and Omnipresence and so Christ's Divinity whereas the Heaven of Heavens cannot contain him We may in a Sence be said to be absent from the Lord while at home or Strangers in the Body in Comparison of that Enjoyment of him hereafter to be had which yet proves not him nor his right hand absent as circumscribed or only far distant from us his right hand of Power is where he is and Christ inseparably with and in the Father glorified with the Father 's own self even with the same Glory which he had with him before the World began which Glory is divine invisible and incomprehensible and therefore human or Earthly Nature is not capable of that divine Glory and Power wherewith the Son of God was anointed dignified and exalted at God's right hand And David said O thou that savest by thy right hand them which put their Trust in thee and thy right hand hath holden me up Psa. 17. 7. and 18. 35. and 20. 6. and 60. 5. and 63. 8. and 73. 23. So that neither the infinite God nor his Son nor his right hand of Strength can be circumscribed or limitted into a Separation or Remoteness from the Children of Light who are saved by the right hand of God whose Hand and Power is spiritual And if Saul was struck down and blinded by the Light that shone from Heaven above the Brightness of the Son which he calls the heavenly Vision in Acts 26. 13 19. In which Jesus did speak unto him whose Voice the Men with Saul heard not Ch. 22. 9. How much further doth Jesus himself in the Father's Divine Glory transcend this Vision though glorious And how far is his own Being his spiritual and glorious Body beyond the reach of these Men's earnal Thoughts and mean Conceptions as this Man represents Christ at God's right hand in Glory as consisting of Flesh and Bone human Nature outward Existence c. And so to have appeared to Paul at the time of his Conversion p. 46. and which John saw in that Vision p. 56. Rev. 1. 13 14 15. Whereas Paul and John gives no such account of Christ's Appearances to them as that it was in a human Body of Flesh and Bone much less that he consisted meerly of Flesh and Bone but the Cause of the Martyr Stephen his seeing Jesus standing on the right hand of God was his being full of the holy Ghost Acts 7. 55 56. And it is in the same holy Ghost that the truely sanctified and