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A10753 A friendly caveat to Irelands Catholickes, concerning the daungerous dreame of Christs corporall (yet invisible) presence in the sacrament of the Lords Supper Grounded vpon a letter pretended to be sent by some well minded Catholickes: who doubted, and therefore desired satisfaction in certaine points of religion, with the aunswere and proofes of the Romane Catholicke priests, to satisfie and confirme them in the same. Perused and allowed for apostolicall and Catholicke, by the subscription of maister Henry Fitzsimon Iesuit, now prisoner in the Castle of Dublin. With a true, diligent, and charitable examination of the same prooffes: wherein the Catholickes may see this nevv Romane doctrine to bee neither apostolicall nor Catholicke, but cleane contarie to the old Romane religion, and therefore to bee shunned of all true auncient Romane Catholickes, vnlesse they vvill be new Romish heretickes. By Iohn Rider Deane of Saint Patrickes Dublin. Rider, John, 1562-1632. 1602 (1602) STC 21031; ESTC S102958 114,489 172

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Christs owne words to prooue that your round Wafer-cakes vpon your supposed hall● wed Altars are not that true bread Christs flesh which Christ heere speakes of 1. Occasiō The question vvas mooued by some Bellie-gods that tasted of Christs banquet bountie in feeding fiue thousand men vvith fiue loaues and tvvo fishes vvhether Moses or Christ vvere the more excellent and liberall in feeding men 1 FIrst they commend Moses from the greatnesse of h● place and person being Gods Lieutenant to conduct Israel out of Egypt 2 Secondly they commend their Manna from the place whence it came which was the heavens as they supposed 3 Thirdly they commend the bread from the vertue of it which was it fed their Fathers in the drie sandie and barren wildernesse and saved them from famine therfore they thoght that no man was greater thē Moses no bread to be compared with Manna Now Christ by way of opposition and comparison confutes them opposing God to Moses and himselfe to Manna 1 First denieth that Moses was the given of that Manna but that God was the authour Moses onely the Minister 2 Secondlie that it came not from the eternall ki●gdome of God which is properlie called heaven but from the visible clouds improperly called heaven 3 Thirdlie Christ denieth Manna to bee the true bread because it onelie preserved life temporall but could not giue it but this bread Christ doeth not onelie giue life corporall but also l fe spiritual in the kingdome of grace life eternall in the kingdome of glorie 4 Fourthlie this bread Manna ceased when they came into Canaan and 〈◊〉 no more bee found but this bread Christ doth feed vs ●eere in this earthlie wildernesse Iosua 5.12 and raignes for ever with his triumphant Church in our everlasting glorious Canaan the kingdome of heaven 5 This bread Manna so all corporall meates when they haue fed the bodie they haue performed their office they perish without yeelding profit to the s●●e but this bread of life Christ is the true bread Ioh. 6.54 which once beeing received into the soule doth not onelie assure and giue vnto it eternall life but also 〈◊〉 the bodie like assurance of resurection salvation so that the soule must first feed on Christ before the body can haue any benefit by Christ contrarie to your doctrine which is that the bodie must first feed on Christ carnally then the soule shal be thereby fed spiritual ie And because they were so addicted in Moses time to Manna in Christs time to his miraculous loaues respecting the feeding of their bodies not the feeding of their soules Th refore Christ deborted them from food corporall to food spirituall Ioh. 6.27 Labor not saith he for the meat that perisheth but for the meat that endureth to euerlasting life which the sonne of man shall giue vnto you c. And thus much touching the occasion why Christ is saide to bee the true bread of life which as farre excelled Manna as the soule the bodie life death eternitie time and heaven earth 3 Point NOw let vs see according to which of Christ natures h● is called out living Bread whether according to his manhood or godhead or b●th Christ calls this b ead his flesh and Christ his fl●sh are al one therefore Christ his flesh are all on● the same bre●● as our bodies are fed with material br●●d so are our soules fed with the flesh of Christ this flesh hee will gi●e for the life of the world w●●ch flesh is not Christ bodie separated from his son●e as some of you imagine and vntruelie teach not Christs bodie and soule separated from his divinitie but even his quickning flesh which being personally vnited to his eternall s●irit was by the same given for the life of the world not corpora●lie and really in the Sacrament as you vntruly teach But in the sacrifice of his bodie and bloud once o● the crosse as the Scriptures ●ccord for the flesh of Christ profiteth not but as it is made quickning by the spirit Neither do we participate the life of his spirit but as it is communicated vnto vs by his flesh by which we are made flesh of his flesh and bone of his bone as hath b●n shewed before Which holie misterie is represented vnto vs in the Sacrament of the Lords Supper and the trueth thereof assured and sealed in the due administration and receiving of the same So this true bread spoken of in the sixt of Iohn which hath this spirituall quickning and nourishing power i● compleate Christ God man with all his soule ●●ving merits And neither Manna in the wildernesse nor your ●o●●d Wafer-cakes vppon your supposed hallowed Altars Manna it could not be for it cea●●d manie hundred years before Your imagined and transnatured bread it could not bee because the Sacrament was not then instituted And 〈◊〉 to the third point The manner how this true bread Christ must be eaten THe meat is spirituall 3 Point and therefore the manner of eating must not bee corporall for such as is the meat such most be the mouth but the meat is spirituall therefore the mouth must be spirituall as before you haue heard Fide non d●nte In the ep●stle to t● Reader c. which thing being there handled before out of holy Scr p ure● Fathers and your Popes Canons I will onelie referre you thither where you may vnlesse you bee maleconte●ts t● be fully satisfied touching the true manner of eating Christ where you may find proued out of Gods booke that comming to Christ beleeving in Christ abiding in Christ dwelling in Christ and to be clad with Christ and to eate Christ are all one so that out of everie one you might frame this or the like vnaunswerable argument Whosoever dwels in Christ and Christ in them Ioh. 6.5 35. onelie eates Christs flesh and drinkes Christs bloud B t the true bel evers onelie dwell in Christ and Christ in them therefore the true beleevers oneli● we Christs flesh and drinke Christs bloud The proposit on is Christs owne words Ioh. 6 56. Eph● 3.17 of which it were damnable to doubt The assumption is Pauls Let Christ dvvell in your hearts by faith therefore the conclusion cannot be denied And so to the fourth The fruit and profit that redoundes to the true eaters of this bread of life vvhich is Christ MAnie rich benefits we haue by eating Christ in the manner aforesaid that is 4 Point by apprehending applying and appropriating vnto vs whole Christ with his benefits I will onelie name one or two and referre you for the rest to the sixth of Iohn Ioh. 6 41.54.50.51 He that eateth this bread I will raise him vp at the last day to life concerning hi● bodi● and hee shall neuer die but liue for euer concerning his soule But an opposition being made betwixt this true bread Christ and this Sacramentall bread
phrase addeth a dignitie to the sacrament but changeth not the nature of the sacrament to terme the visible signe by the name of the thing signified as circumscision is called the couenaunt the Lambe is called the Pas●ouer In Baptisme i● called the fountaine of ●egeneration and bread Christs bodie and yet in deed th y are but outward signes and to the faithfull onely seales gra●●d by the holie Ghost with the names of the things they represent and confirme the more to 〈◊〉 me and sti●●e vp o●r affections and to edge our zeale with a religious preparation to receiue the same and to life vp our hearts and soules by faith to behold consider and feed vpon Christ crucified the thing signified Yet for your further satisfaction I will intreat Augustine to aunswere you doubt who saith (a) Aug. epistol 22. ad bonifatium Si enim sacramenta quandam similitudinem ●arum rerum quarum sacramenta sunt non haberent omnino sacramenta non essent ex hac autem similitudine plerunque etiam ipsarum rerum nomina accipiunt Sicut ergo secundum quendam modum sacramentum corporis Christs corpus Christs est sacramentum sanguinis Christs sanguis Chri●ti est ita sacramentum fides fides est In English thus If the Sacrament had not some certaine similitude and likenesse of the things whereof they be Sacraments they should be no Sacraments at all And of this similitude manie times they haue the names of those things themselues as the Sacrament of the bodie of Christ is after a certaine manner the bodie of Christ and the sacrament of his bloud is after a certaine maner his bloud So the Sacrament of faith or Baptisme is faith Out of which wee may note first they are but Sacraments or similitudes of the thing signified not the things themselues secondlie that bread wine are the bodie bloud of Christ b●● secundum quendam modum after a certaine maner and shewes how by an example as the Sacrament of faith is faith so the Sacrament of Christs body is Christs bodie but the Sacrament of faith is not faith naturallie substantiallie by a chaunge of substance for by chaunge of qualitie or vse therefore the Sa●●●t of Christs bodie is not chaunged into the ●●●tance of Christs bodie but onely in qualitie and ●●se is Theodores saith in his first dialogue Theodoret dialog 2. cap. 24 pag 113. dialog 1. cap. 8. pag. 54. read them I pray you not changing nature but adding grace vnto nature And the ●●●e Father in his second dialogue explaines this more plainly saying the misticall signes after sanctif●cation Non recedunt a sua natura manere enim in pure substantia figura c. they depart not from the● nature but remaine in their former substance 〈◊〉 figure may be seene touched as before Out of which auncient learned Father I obserue these necessarie points for the Catholickes instruction and your confutation First he saith Post sanctificationem Consecration vnknovvn to Theodor. therefo e it is a new terme The change is in the name honour and vse not in the nature Father ansvvere this f●str or confesse the truth after sanctification then your new comed terme of consecration was not known in the Church of God but sanctification and benediction Secondly I note cut of this father that though the Sacraments haue gotten a new diuine qualitie yet they haue not lost their nature they had before as you vntrulie teach Th●rdlie I obserue that he confuted by the example of bread and wine in the Sacrament certaine Heretickes who held that Christs bodie was changed into his deitie after his ascention for this is the Fathers proofe against those heretickes That as bread and wine are trulie bread and wine after sanctification as they were before sanctification euen so is Christs bodie as trulie a bodie now after his ascention as it was before his ascention So now the Priests of new Rome cannot say that the bread and wine haue lost their true natures and properties in the Lords supper after sanctification vnlesse then will also say with the Heretickes that Christ hath lost the nature of a true bodie now after his ascention And Chrisostom● seconds Theodores saying Ante Sanctificationem 〈◊〉 ●sost ad Caesarium Monach Mark this well yet Preists Iesuets c. Before it he sanctified we cal it bread bu● the deuine grac● once sanctifying it by the ministrie of the Priest it ● deliuered from the name of bread and counted worthy to be called the Lords body though the nature o● bread continue there still Out of which I note 〈◊〉 the father calles it sanctification not consecration Secondly it is called bred before sanctification is brea● in nature after sanctification A●d l●rdly after sanctificatiō it is called the Lords body yet it is not the ●ord body in deede because the nature of bread remaine And therefore in that it is calld the Lords body it mu●● be so Sacramentally figura●●u●ly improperly And Gelasius your owne Pope whom you dare not contradict such plainely No● defiant esse substantia panis 〈◊〉 natura vini What can you saie to th●se pregna●te proofes to satisfie the doubtfull catholiques There scaceth not to be the substance o● bread and the nature of wine But you here will obtrude your oulde slanderous obiection that we accep● of the Sacraments no better then bare figures No we acknowledge a change and an alteration but not o● the substance but of the vse Is not this a maruelous change wrought by the holy Ghost in the due administration of the Lords supper according to Christ Institution that of commen bread and wine such as daily we feede our b●●ches with is made the dreadefull and reuerend misteries of Christ crucified where by we neither looke vppon the bare naked elements as common creatures but as sanctified food And in such sort that even as the b●ead doth nourish our bodies and the wine doth comfort our spirits so trulie reallie and vnfainedlie doth the heavenlie food of his bodie crucified and his bloud shed for our sinnes by faith in the time of the holie Supper feede and nourish our soules into everlasting life and so is made and sealed our reall coniunction with Christ not by his bodilie and locall discention into our stomackes but by 〈◊〉 spirituall ascention to him by faith This is our ●●nne touching these figuratiue propositions war●ed by Scriptures Clem. Alex Theod August with many not neuer heard of consecration but of santification Benedection and witnessed by the auncientest ●thers Hitherto hath beene plainly and directlie ●ooved that your two propositions bee figuratiue 〈◊〉 proper Secondlie that the substances of bread 〈◊〉 ●ime remain after cōsecration therfore there can 〈◊〉 no such carnall presence of Christ by Transubstantation vnder the formes of bread and wine as 〈◊〉 deeme Now I am come to your two maine pil● that support vnderprop your carnall
altereth the Catholickes question and is farre from our first meaning For we hold with Christs trueth Ioh. 20.31 that vnlesse the written word of God first warrant it we are not bound in conscience to beleeue it though all the Doctors and Prelates in the world should sweare it And this was demaunded of you not as the demaunders doubted that the canonicall Scriptures were insufficient to prooue any article of faith but onelie that all men might see and so be resolved whether the Protestants or the now Romane Catholicques ioyne neerest to Christs trueth and the faith of the first primitiue Fathers For that faith which can bee prooved to bee taught in Christs time and so receiued and continued in the primitiue Church for the first fiue hundred yeares after Christs ascention must needs be the true auncient Apostolicall and Catholicque faith And that other faith that cannot be so proved is but base bastardly and counterfeit and I trust in Christ that the Reader easily shall perceiue before the ende of this small Treatise that this your opinion touching Christs carnall presence in the Sacrament and so in the rest of the other Positions was never taught by Christ nor once dreamed on by the auncient Fathers but invented and deviled a thousand yeares after Christ by the late Church of Rome grounding their proofes onelie of an emptie sound of syllables without Apostolicall or Catholicque sence enforcing both Scriptures and Fathers to speake what they and you pleased not what the holie Ghost and the Fathers purposed But first heere you wrong your selfe much your cause more but the simple people most of all in altering the state of the question for our controversie is of the manner of Christs presence in the Sacrament whether he be there corporallie or spirituallie The Catholicque Priests subtilly alter the state of the question And you no doubt in your conscience knowing it vnpossible to prooue your carnall presence alter the question verie deceiptfully from the manner to the matter That Christ is really in the blessed Sacrament A thing never denied by vs nor ever in question betwixt Protestant and Papist for both you and we hold Christs reall presence in the Sacrament but you carnallie and locallie we misticallie and spiritually you by Transubstantiation we in the commanded and lawfull administration But here you forget your grounds of divinitie and rules of Logicke in making an opposition betwixt spirituall receiving and reall receiving opposing them as contraries whereas the opposition is not betwixt spirituall and reall but betwixt corporall and spirituall for spirituall receiving by faith is reall receiving and corporall receiving by the mouth is also reall receiving So that the Scriptures and Fathers that here you alleadge bee altogither impertinent to prooue your carnall presence of Christ and his new conception of bread not of the blessed Virgin by a sinfull Priest not by the holy Ghost For Christ willing I will make it plaine vnto you that you haue shewed little divinitie and concealed much learning in this onely hudled vp a number of texts of Scriptures and Testimonies of Fathers out of Eckius Common-places and other like Enchiridions and neuer read the fathers themselues which at first was requested And thus trusting other mens reports and not your owne eyes you haue wrongd your self weakned your cause and abused the simple For if you had diligently read throughly weighed these Scriptures and Fathers you might haue seene and knowne that these confute your erronious opinions and confirme them not But this you should haue here prooved for the Catholicques satisfaction in which you haue altogither failed That after the Priest hath spoken over and to the Bread and Wine Rhem. test 1. Cor. 11. Sect. 9. Hoc est corpus meum and vsed powrefull words over it and thē which you call your consecration that presentlie the substances of Bread and Wine are gon not one crumme or drop remaining but wholly transubstantiated transnatured and chaunged into the verie reall naturall and substantiall bodie and bloud of Christ which was borne of the Virgin Marie Rhe. Test ●●th 26. Sect. 4. and nailed on the crosse is now in heaven and yet in the Sacrament whole aliue and immortall and that this bodie of Christ must bee received with our corporall mouth and locally descend into our corporall stomackes Which bodie so made by the Priest is offered by the Priest to God the father as a propitiatorie mercifull and redeeming sacrifice by which the Priest applieth as hee saith the generall vertues of Christs passion to every particular mans necessitie either quicke or dead for m●tters temporall or graces spirituall for whom and when he listeth and for what hee pleaseth Your carnall presence shall bee first handled The second point which is your propitiatorie sacrifice shall bee handled in the title of the Masse This is your Romane ●●e learning which you should haue prooved but how your owne proofes being duely examined disprooue you let the learned iudge But now to your first proofe out of the sixth of Iohn to prooue your opinion touching the first position Ioh. 6. vers 51. The bread vvhich I vvill giue is my flesh c. Catho Priests Ioh. 6. vers 53. Vnlesse you eate the flesh of the Son of man and drinke his bloud you shal haue no life in you Ioh. 6. vers 55. My flesh is meat truly my bloudes c. GEntlemē you mistake vtterly Christs meaning Rider wresting Christs wordes from the spirituall sence in which he spake to the litterall sence which he never meant ancient Fathers never taught Primitiue Church of Christ for one thousand yeares at least after Christs ascentiō never knew or received For the words and phrases be figuratiue and allegorical therefore the sence must be spirituall not carnal For this is a generall rule in Gods booke ancient Fathers yea and in your Popes Canons and glosses that everie figuratiue speech or phrase of Scripture must be expounded spirituallie not carnally or litterallie as anone more plainlie you shall heare But that the simple be no longer seduced by your Romane doctrine expounding this 6. of Iohn grammaticallie and carnally contrarie to Christs meaning constraining these places to prooue your carnall presence of Christ in the Sacrament when there was no Sacrament then ordained J will set downe GOD willing Christs meaning truelie and plainlie which you shall nor be able either by Scriptures or auncient Fathers to contradict 1 First I will plainelie deliver the occasion why Christ vsed the Metaphor of Bread calling himselfe Bread 2 Secondlie according to which of Christs nature he is our living bread whether as hee is man onely or God onely or as he is compleate God and man 3 Thirdly how this bread must be taken and eaten whether by the mouth of the bodie or the mouth of the soule 4 Fourthly the fruit that comes to the true eaters thereof 5 Lastly the reasons shall bee alleadged out of
professe to bee Christians revenge our Christs death vpon his cruell bloudie and malicious enemies which so mercilesse put him to death these enemies be our sinnes for he died for our sinnes which Rom. 4. the last verse let vs mortifie nay murther them let vs kill surfetting by abstinence adulterie by continencie crueltie by mercie hatred by loue covetousnesse by almes superstition by religion c. These and the like consorts of sinne put our Caesar Christ to death Therefore when we heare not Marcus Anthonius but anie man of God out of the booke of God preach vnto vs Christs bloudie passion that died in our quarrell and shed his bloud for our sinnes let the rememberance of his precious death and mercifull deliverance put vs in minde to revenge his death by killing our sinnes which slew our Saviour and endevour to serue him with all thankfulnesse in a life spirituall who hath delivered vs freelie from death eternall Now see what comfort the Catholickes loose for the lacke of this Apostolicall rememberance of me and this commeth by your omitting of that you should not passe without expressing the true tenour of it as you received it of the Lord 1. Cor. 11.22 for the profit of his Church Thus much touching the spirituall comforts concealed from the people by your skipping of Scriptures now let vs see what errours purposelie you seeke to cover by this course First if you had put downe these words Errors In rememberance of me and till I come these two had overthrowne your carnall presence for if the bread wine must bee received in rememberance of Christ then bread and wine are not Christ substantiallie corporallie and by way of transubstantiation And if Christ be risen as the Angell said math 28.6 and as wee in our Creed confesse and that we must receiue this Sacrament 〈◊〉 his rememberance till he come then Christ being not come but to come is not nor cannot be carnallie and bodilie vnder the formes of bread and wine as you fondlie imagine And these words doe this in rememberance of mee condemneth all your Masses that be said in rememberance of He-Saints and Shee-Saints Missale Printed at Venice 1494. and no Saints a● your Popes Bishoppes and in rememberance of Pilgrims Marriners women in travaill and mutten o● beasts So that all the foresaid Masses said or sung in rememberance of Saints persons or diseases be abhominable vnlesse you will say which were damnable to thinke that those Saintes Popes Bishopes Pilgrims c. died for you But I will cease to speake o● those abhominable abuses vntill I come to the controversie of the Masse and yet then nothing but what shall be found in your owne bookes whose chapters leaues pages if not lines shall be quoted trulie without fraud or affection Another errour you would cover in leaping over the 26. verse in these wordes you doe shevv the Lords death till he come Chrisosto●● Tom. 4. Hom. 27. vpon these words Facietis commemorationem salutis vestrae beneficij mei This shewing of the Lords death consisteth in preaching and expounding some scripture wherein the communicants must be instructed of the horrour of their sinne the greatnesse of Gods loue the price of the precious merits of Christ● blessed passion which is the remission of sinnes and our reconciliation to Gods favour through his bitter and bloudie passion And this condemneth your foolish May games and Puppet-plaies in your va●●e shewing of Christ his death by such ydle gestures and dumbe shewes without anie glorification of GODS name o● edification of Christ his people that I dare boldlie say and so God willing will plainlie prooue that from your first Introibo ad Aliare Dei which is the beginning of your Masse vntill you come to the last hoe see missa est there is nothing but magicall superstition heresie idolatrie without veritie or antiquitie Now let the Catholickes iudge what wrong is done them when in stead of a comfortable declaration of the Lords death they haue a histrionicall dumbe-shew without true signification or sence warranted from Christs trueth And wheras you exclaime against vs for allowing tropes and figures and Sacramentall phrases in the handling of this controversie if you had not concealed this phrase This cup is the new Testament is my bloud the Catholicks might haue seen your error and that we in so doing onelie immitate Christ whom you should rather follow then the precepts doctrine of men whose precepts are no warrants for you nor me to build our faith vpon nor for the Catholickes to imitate And you with vs must either say that Christ vsed a double figure or else most absurdly confesse that not onelie the wine is transubstantiated changed into Christs last Testament but that the challice or cup is transubstantiated into his last testament is his testament substantiallie properlie reallie the accidents of the challice onlie remaining that is to say the height depth weight colour c. Now if you cannot denie a figure in the challice how dare you for the like or worse inconvenience denie it in the bread This you thought to omit hoping thereby to cover this your error But it was ill done to deceiue the Catholicks who so liberallie relieue you so dearely haue loved you And wheras you translate challice for cup telling the people that the challice cōsecrated by you is holier then other vsual cups that Christ vsed in the institutiō a challice no vsual drinking-cup I say in saying thus you shew your self ignorant in the Greek tongue Poterion wherein Christ spake it the Evang. writ it for they all so hath Paul but one vsuall word which signifieth a vsual drinkin● cup and no charmed Challice as you ydlie vain● informe the Catholickes And now to your 27. verse which you would co●ple to your 24. verse which thus you recite ve y co●ruptlie vvho so doth eate vnworthelie c. shall be gu●tie of the bodie and bloud of the Lord but if you ha● meant plainlie and trulie you should haue reci ed a● the Apostles words in this manner whosoever shall ●a● this bread and drinke this cup of the Lord vnvverthel●● shall be guiltie of the bodie and bloud of the Lord. Bread ramaines after Consecration therefore no carnall presence likewise the Cup therefore no● Transubstansiation in either Out of which I obserue that you would cover an● conceale that which overthrowes your carnall presence for if bread remaine after consecration the● there is no carnall presence but bread remaine●h afte● consecration therefore there is no carnall presene And because this verse sheweth to the world that ther● is bread after consecration therefo e you cut off th● part of the verse which is verie deceitfully done An● leaue this word bread out after consecration to blin● the eies of the simple And also you cut off the ne● words to cover other two errors the words be these
in them by his spirit as hath been plainel● handled before And now I will be bolde to vrge your owne Pope ● decrees against you Part 3. distinct 2. cap. 65. Qui discordus a Christo c whosoever dissenteth from Christ doeth neither eate his flesh nor drinke his bloud but the wicked distent from Christ therfore they neither eat Christs flesh no● dr●● his bloud And cap. 69. following quie unque panem c. Whosoever eateth this bread the Lord shall live for ever but the wicked liue nor for ever therefore the wicked eate not this bread the Lord. Now Gentlemen I would faine see how you can disprooue these Fathers and old Popes and satisfie the Catholicks in this case but I shall haue a f●t place to speak of the vnreasonablenesse of this opinion in the title of the Masse where I must shewe to the Catholickes the Popes Priests and Iesuits shamefull opinions that you thinke it no inconvenience not onelie for the wicked but also for all such bruit beasts as cats or dogs rats or mice hogs or swine to eate the blessed bodie and drinke the precious bloud of Iesus Christ This you blush not to print but I protest my hand shakes and my heart quakes to write it because it is so monst●ous and beast ●e a blasphemie to that blessed bodie that precious bloud that suffered and was shed for my salvation Now for this second part of your Rhemish note vppon this place Chrysost Tom. 3. Hom. 60. 61. de lum●n●●bu● iudigne divina sancto mysteria praecipu● de caena Domin● de baptismate which is Hovv can a man bee guiltie of Christs bodie if he touch not Christs bodie I had rather Chrisostome vpon this text in one of his workes should aunswe e you then I his words be these Nam si Reg●am contami●antes purpuram similiter puniuntur sicut c. For if he that hath disteined violated or polluted the ●●gs robes whether it bee of purple or some other ●●ter shall be as severelie in iustice punished as if he had rent thē Even so it shall be with such as receiue ●he Lords bodie unpura mente with an vnprepared and ●●lean mind they shall be punished with equall torments with such as nailed him to the crosse Out of which I obserue first that Chrysostome condemneth your carnall presence and corporall eating in ●●ing you they must be eaten with the mind not with the mouth but of this we haue sufficientlie spoken of before Secondlie by comparison he sheweth you how you may bee guiltie of treason against the kings person though he neither touch nor hurt his person in offering disgrace but to his garments his person being abse●t And as he that contuineliously receiveth the princes seale though of waxe is guiltie of the Maiestie of the Prince not which he receiueth but which hee despiseth so he that eateth this bread and drinketh this cap of the Lord without due preparation as aforesaid considering they are seales of Christs promised benefits purchased in his bitter and blessed passion committeth high treason against Christ though in deed in substance they receiue but bread and wine And as a man may be guiltie of treason in renting defacing or ●●pping the kings picture seale or coine though the king be not locallie in place so the wicked in the Sacraments which are Christs seales which being abused by them they are guiltie of Gods iudgements though Christ be not inclosed locallie in the bread wine And what Chrysostome speaketh heare of the Lords Supper the same hee doth of Baptisme and saith a man may be as well guiltie of the Lords bodie and bloud in contemning Baptisme which is but a seale of 〈◊〉 washing in the bloud of Christ though hee never washed but in water and alleadgeth Paul Heb. 10 1● saying Of how much sorer punishment suppose ye● shal he be worthy which treadeth vnder foot the lonne of God counteth the bloud of the testamēt as an vnholie thing c. These Fathers haue aunswered you and I hope will satisfie fullie the indifferent Reader Now three sorts of men are guilty of the body and bloud of the Lord. The first are plaine Atheists that are without God or godlinesse in this present world and such eate this bread vnworthelie and therefore are guiltie of Christes bodie and bloud Three sorts of men guilty of the Lo ●die 2 The second sort haue a historicall faith and a generall knowledge and beleeue that whatsoever is taught in Gods booke is true but they lacke apprehension and application to make a particular and holy vse of the same and therefore if such come and eate of this bread they are guiltie of the bodie and bloud of the Lord. 3 The third sort haue a liuelie apprehending applying faith yet in their life they slippe and fall yea sometimes verie grievouslie yet they awake weep with Peter and repent for the same All these are said to eate vnworthelie but the first two sorts vnto their condemnation The third sort for their faults frailties negligences and vndue preparation are in this life of the Lord corrected least with the world they should be damned The two first sorts eateth onelie the outwardelements the last sort eateth the bodie of Christ and drinketh the bloud of Christ And now to your second proofe out of Saint Paul 1. Cor. 10.16 The challice of benediction vvhich vv●● blesse Catho Priestes is it not the communication of the bodie of Christ And the bread vvhich wee besse is it not the participation of his flesh GEntlemen yee wrong the Apostles text Rider first in your abuse of words Verse 21. secondlie in mistaking the sence Your words be these The challice of benediction Pauls words in Greeke that must be iudge betwix● vs and which wee doe follow if we will follow Christ are these The cup of thansgiving And the holie Ghost so expounds his owne meaning after calling it peculum Domini the cup of the Lord. But you are much to be blamed of all good men because you had rather follow some late corrupt translation vse some superstitious Inkhome-termes latelie devised and so forsake the olde Apostolical phrase which the holie Ghost vseth in that holie tongue and in which it is still recorded for our instruction● either confesse your ignorance in the Greeke or your malice against the trueth that the Catholickes bee no longer seduced by you that long trusted in you and to your doctrine Againe you say The bread vvhich vve blesse we say to Paul said and the holie Ghost pend The bread which vve breake Alasse alasse what sinne doe you commit in thus seducing Christs flocke and the Queens subiects who hitherto haue builded their saith v●pon your ba●e words Is this plaine dealing with Gods heritage are you Catholicke Priestes I pray you certifie the Catholickes what tongue or translation hath it thus as you pen it The bread which vvee blesse
as was betw●xt Christ and Manna it will bee cleere nay vnpossible that your consecrated bread should bee the bread of life which is spoken of in the sixth of Iohn 1 Your consecrated bread never came from the heaven of heavens therefore it is not the true bread of life spoken of in this place 2 All that eat of this true bread Christ are saved but manie that eate of your Sacramentall bread are damned therefore it is not that bread spoken of in the sixth of Iohn 3 Your bread onelie enters the bodilie mouth and is received into the stomacke of the bodie and so passeth the way of all excrements and therefore is not the true bread 4 Your bread cannot for ever preserue temporall life much lesse giue it but not at all life eternal and therefore it is not the true bread of life spoken of in this sixth of Iohn Ioh. 6.54.50 Now seeing that Christ had not all this time when he made this sermon in the sixth of Iohn ordained his last Supper and therefore not the bread in the Supper And seeing this bread can neither assure the bodie of the receivers of resurrection nor their soules of salvation it cannot be that this bread in the Sacrament was the same that Christ spake of in Iohn And therefore your proofes brought to prooue your carnall presence of Christ by these texts be impertinent savouring by your leaue of smaal reading in the Fathers and lesse vnderstanding in the Scriptures But that all men that read this may see your errours so beware of your new daungerous doctrine J will bring Augustine other Fathers to disprooue you in plaine termes for misalleadging these texts Agustine bringeth forth as it were vpon a sta●e the three Evangelists mathew Mark Aug. Tomo quar● de consensu Evangelistarū lib. C●p. 1. math 26 mark 14. Luk. 22. Ioh. 6. These three Evang. ●andled as it were the bodie of Christ Iohn the soule and divinitie of Christ Lyra in psal 110. and Luke delivering the doctrine of the Sacrament but whē he came to Iohn he saith Iohannes autem de corpore sanguine Domini hoc in loco nihil dixit Iohn in the 6. of his gospel spake nothing of the Lords body and bloud I wōder with what face you can brag to follow the fathers no mē nor sect more opposit to their faith facts then you There Aug. hath tract your credit sal●e it how you can And your own Doctour Lyra condemnes your erronious opinion which will applie these as spoken of the Sacrament his words be these Nihil directe pertinet ad Sacramentalem vel corporalem manducationem hoc verbum Nisi manducaueritis c. Nam hoc ve●bii fuit dictum diu antequam Sacramentum Eucharistia suerit institutum Th s saying of Christ vnlesse you eat the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his bloud doth nothing directly appertaine to the Sacramentall or corporall eating of Christ in the Sacrament For Christ spake this long before he ordained this Sacrament Therefore no sound argument saith he can be grounded vpon that litterall exposition of the Sacramentall communion and ●e giues a reason vnaunswereable Nam primo debet ●●istere in rerum natura For first the Sacrament must ●e ordained before it can be a Sacrament But you here would haue Christs carnall presence in the Sacrament before it bee a Sacrament And then Lyra concludes De Eucharistia Sacramentali quae no●dum suit tam alia sententia p●oferri non potuit quae dicitur Nisi manducaueritis c. Therefore of this place there can bee made no good sufficient argument touc ing the sacramentall communion vnlesse saith he some curious Heriticquet will take these words spoken by Christ to be spoken propheticallie Quod nōdumed non datur priuileg●● Lyra. eodem loco Now s●●eth your owne Doctour if you take this chapter of the ●●xt of Iohn litterallie as you d then it is impossible and absurd because you wil ha●e a carnall presence in the Sacrament before there be a Sacrament if prophetically then your owne champion calls you curious He etiques And to prooue your litterall exposition grosse false and absurd He produceth ag inst you two famous examples the fast of the Theefe on th crosse Luk 13.41 who by his liuely faith performed the tenor of this text yet never communicated Sacramentallie And Iudas who communicated vnder both kinds and yet failed in the mea●ing of this precept Lib. 4 dist 9. And then shuts vp the m uths of all Latteralists and Heretiques that bold th s spoken of the Sacrament alleadging Thomas Aquinas his draught out of Augustine Non manducans manducat manducans non manducat Hee that eateth not Sacramentally may yet eate Christ spiritually by faith and so did the Theefe on the crosse and was saved Some eate the Sacramentall bread but not Christ which is the inward grace of the Sacrament as Iudas did and was damned manie moe Fathers shall you haue to second these agai st y u if these satisfie you not Thus you are condemned by two learned Fathers that you ignorantlie or malicio sly or both mistake and misapplie the sixth of Iohn to speake of the Sacrament before the Sacrament was instituted Now you shall heare Augustine tell you that th●s sixt of Iohn is to be taken figuratiuelie and allegoricallie and therfore spirituallie meaning that the speeches and phrases which Christ vsed be borrowed and translated from the bodie to the mind you are not onely taxed by Aug. to bee ignorant in the circūstance of the text but also in the sence of the text which is a grose thing in diuines from eating and drinking to beleeving from chamming with the teeth to the beleeving with the heart So that what eating and drinking is to the bodie that beleeving is to the s●ule And as bread and flesh be meat corporall for the bodie so Christ our bread is made spirituall for the soule And as corporall meats are tak n with the corporall mouth so are spirituall meate Christ crucified with all his benefits received with faith the mouth of the soule And therefore to teach all post●rities low to expound these words of Christ hee giues a generall rule perpetually to be observed in GODS church Saying (a) Dedoct Christ lib. 3. cap. 16. The second proofe out of the sixt of Iohn Si praeceptiua locutio est c. if the Sciptures seeme to commaund an horrible or vile fact the speech is figuratiue and then alleadgeth your second proofe that you bring out of the sixt of I●hn for example Except you eate the flesh of the Sonne of man and drinke his bloud ye shall haue no life in you Fac●●us flagiti●m videtur iubere Christ in this place seemes to commaund a wicked and horrible act Figura est ergo It is therefore a figuratiue speech commaunding vs to keepe in mind that his flesh was crucified and
Readers good I wil repeat they be these If the scripture seem to cōmand any vile or ill fact the speech is figuratiue as Except yee eate the flesh of the sonne of man and drinke his bloud you shall haue no life in you Facinus vel flagitium videtur tubere ●●ther can use S. ●●●●d or confess your erro● the ●●●st ●●poss●le the second were commendable Christ seemeth to commaund a wicked act that is carnallie and grosly to eate Christs flesh c. it is therefore a figuratiue speech So that Augustine thus reasons against you To eate Christs flesh and drinke Christs bloud corporallie is a hainous thing therefore Christs wordes be figuratiue so that if to eate Christes flesh with our mouths and teare his flesh with our teeth as also actually drinking of his bloud bee hainous and wicked why doe you so eagerly presse the litterall sence of the●e your two propositions against trueth against faith and the auncient Father ●ead it it co●taines but 6. or 7 line● The marginall note there co●demes your litterall sence Agustine in that short 19. chap. of the same booke immediatly going before wisheth alwaies the interpretation of these and all other figuratiue speeches to be brought ad regnum charitatie to the kingdome of charitie to haue their true exposition Now if you expounde this litterallie and properlie you forsake Agustines rule charities kingdome and the Apostolicall and Catholike exposition It is but small charitie to devoure the food of a friend but to eate and devoure corporallie and gut●urallie the precious bodie and bloud of our Christ and Saviour Augustine would haue you catholicks but you wil bee Capernatis and Canibals it is no charitie Nay saith Augustine it is plaine impietie and a wicked and a most damnable fact And so to prooue the action lawfull the kingdome of charitie hath ever taken these and the like propositions to bee figuratiue and the sence to be spirituall Therefore if you will bee loyall subiects of charities kingdome shewe your subiection to her charitable and Catholicke exposition otherwise you will stand indited of spirituall and vncharitable rebellion Ambr. lib. 4 de Sacramentis cap. 5. Ambrose is of the same opinion with vs against you saying Fac nobit inquit oblationem ascriptam nationabilem acceptabilem quod est figura corporis sanga●●is Domine nostri Iesu Christi make vnto vs saith the Priest this oblation that it may bee allowable reasonable and acceptable which is a figure of the bodie bloud of our Lord Iesus Christ And Ambrose presentlie after saith the new Testament is confirmed by bloud in a figure of which bloud wee receiue the misticall bloud By these words the Reader may see that Ambrose and the Church in his daies tooke it not for the naturall bodie of Christ but for a figure of his bodie and therefore cease to bragge heereafter to the simple of Ambrose and Augustine set they are not of your opinion (a) ●●no● Papae lib. tartius cap 12. Fol 148 there shal you see the foolish and phantasticall reasons the Pope giues for those said crosses Aug. in enarratione Psal ● pag. 7. col 1. Printed at Paris anno 1586 And in the Canon of the Masse you haue these ●●●ds of Ambrose in that part which begins Quam oblationem but you deale deceitfully with Gods people for you leaue out these words quod est figura corporis and there dash in fine red crosses and still teach the people it is Catholicke doctrine and the old religion but these iuglings with the Fathers must be left or else good men that follow those Fathers will doubt that Gods spirit hath left you And Augustine elsewhere saith Christ commended ●●d delivered to his disciples the figure of his body ●●d bloud And Origin saith not the matter of bread but the words recited over it doth profit the worthy receiver this I speake saith he of the typicall figuratiue bodie which is in deede the Sacramentall bread Vpon the 15. of mathew Augustine confuting Adimautus the Hereticke that hold that the bloud in man was the onelie soule of man aunswered it was so figuratiuely August tom 6 contra Ad●● cap. 12. not otherwise and to prooue it he vseth this proposition of Christ Hoc est corpus meum this is my bodie saying Possum etiam interpretari illud praeceptum in signo posi●●● esse non enim dubitauit Dominus dicere hoc est corpu● meum cum singnum daret corporis sui I maye 〈◊〉 Augustine expound the precept of Christ figuratiuelie ●or the Lord doubted not to say this is my ●o●●e when he ga●e the figure of his bodie Augustine saith Ho●●●st corpus meum is a phrase figuratiue you say no but it is litterall Now let the Catholicks take this Friendlie Caueat to he●●● for they haue no reason to follow you that forsake the Fathers and he●re may you see that our expositi●n is auncient Catholicke and Apostolicall yours new private and 〈◊〉 all Terta●● lib 4. contra● M●recon pag. ●23 line 26. Tertull●● an ancient Father saith Acceptum panem d●stributum discip●lis c. The bread which was taken and given to his disciples Christ made his bodie by saying this is my bodie that is the figure of my bodie what could be more spoken of them for vs against you And Hierome calls it a representation of the truth of Christs bodie bloud Hierome super 26. math Ambrose on Cor. 11. not the body and bloud And Ambrose seconds his former sayings in these words In ed●●do c. in eating drinking the bread wine we doe signifie the flesh bloud which was offered for vs so that they doe but signifie the flesh and bloud they are not the flesh and bloud And Chrisostome saith Chris● in h●●a vp●n Hebr. s●per Cor. 11. Offermus quid●● sed ad recerda●●●nem and afterwards Hoc autem sacrificium exempl●● est ellius c. We offer in deed but in rememberance of his death this sacrifice is a token or figure of that sacrifice the thing that we do is done in ten emberance of the thing that was done by Christ before c. Here is a manifest ●●ace against you which you shall never aunswere Chris in h●n 11 ●●rk ●●●ent Al●● on pa●●go lib. 1. cap. 6 pag 18. line vlt. pag 19. l●ne 1. And elsewhere be saith in the so●e sanctified vessels there is not the bodie of Christ in deed b●● a masterie of the bodie is contained And Clemens Alexandrinus who lived 1300. yeares agoe saith Comedite cornes meas bibite sanguinem ●eum c. E●t ye my flesh and drinke my bloud meaning hereby vnder an allegorie or figure the meat drinke that is of faith and promise And the same reverend Father in his second booke and second chapter of his Pedagogs and 51. pag and line 21 22 23. hath these words Ipse quoque vine vsus