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A85141 The Holy Scriptures from scandals are cleared. Or An answer to a book set forth by the baptizers; to wit, Henry Hagger and Thomas Pollard, entituled, The Holy Scriptures clearing it self of scandals: but is scandalled or perverted, and so scandalized by them, as in this answer to theirs will further appear, so by them entituled, or bearing the title of an Answer to a book written by Richard Farnsworth, called, Truth cleared, or Truth lifting up its head above scandals: occasioned by a dispute at Harliston in Staffordshire, between Richard Farnsworth and Thomas Pallard, in the year, 1654. Also here is in this, the heads of an order, or late act made at Coventry, by the baptized people there, ... And something here is, in answer to a false prophet, called John Griffith, set out by him and several others, in a false prophesie or book, bearing the title of True Gospel faith, collected into 30 articles: or in the middle part called, A voice from the Word of the Lord, ... / Written by a servant of the Lord, in the sixth moneth, 1655. by R.F. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F487; Thomason E855_1; ESTC R202126 43,362 61

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thy lies as I have done That one Scripture thou didst mention of Ananias going to Saul and saying Arise brother Saul and be Baptised and wash away thy sins whereupon I asked thee if your water Baptisme did or could wash away sins and thou stood and gave little or no answer therein as many can witnesse And if nothing can wash away sins but the blood of Christ or the water of regeneration then it must needs be that the Baptisme which washeth away sins is either by one Spirit into one body 1 Cor. 12.13 and so into Christ Gal. 3.27 and into the blood or life of the Covenant or else into the holy unction and water of regeneration where there is but one faith one Lord one God and Father of all them that are borne of the Spirit and so Baptised into that one Baptism Eph. 4.4.5.6 But thou couldest not witnesse that your outward water Baptisme did or could wash away sins then it is not that Baptisme which doth and being confounded in thy selfe thou would have gon forth of the doores but that I took thee by the arme and stayed thee awhile and spoke to thee till thou could not tell what to say for thy selfe but said the letter which thou called the written word and the Spirit were inseparable and then said the letter was a Historie And I told thee if I should have called it a History then others would have been ready to have called that blasphemy and being put to prove thy sayings thou could not but to thy shame got from mee and went away and they of thy own company spoke to thee of it and were grieved to see thy folly so made manifest as many can witnesse but in that I cease and let the other book witnese in that thing and the rest further to and for the truth against thy deceipt And in thy 32 lie Being so accustomed to it thou saies we wickedly speake against Christ and his ordinances But wickednesse and wicked speaking we deny who own honour and dearly love the Lord Jesus Christ and his ordinances speaking wickedly against them shall stand for thy selfe and such liers and false accusers as thou art and that is thy 32 lie And in thy 33 lie Thou saith that when I asked thee whether thy water Baptism did or could wash away sins in thy book to make a cover and manifest thy lying Spirit the more in that as well as in the rest of thy lies thou hast done thou sayes thou told me such words as is expressed in thy 17. page when there was then no such thing by thee done and therefore in that thou hast lyed of thy self but lying is thy work and that Spirit which guides thee is accustomed to it And in page 19 thou sayes we have a spirit of delusion that is thy 34th lie comming from Hell and darkness but cannot prove it yet that spirit by which thou art taught of old Antichrist to delude which hath caused thee to utter these lies is such a one and therefore what thou art guilty of thou would cast upon us but we deny thy spirit of delusion and lies and testifie against it and thee and such hellish darknesse as thou art possessed withall that regards not what falsely against us and the truth thou ventest but it toucheth us not and therefore turnes back upon thee againe and is to be cast into the bottomless pit from whence it came Lie the 35 that spits out such venome against the ordinances of Jesus Christ that is thy own and turnes back upon thee againe for Christ Jesus and his ordinances and worship in Spirit and spiritualI ordination we honour and own but spitting of venom comes out of thy brest take it into thy old bottle from whence it came And for thy 6th thing or head is another of thy lies and makes thy number 36 such words as are there set downe was not set downe in my booke which thou pretends to write this in answer unto therefore the absurdities spoken of and also the lies is turned back upon thee againe pag. 20. 21. For the Scriptures I own and that holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost 2 Pet. 20.21 but liers like thee I deny and against testifie Eph. 5.11 and the Scriptures serves to be a witnesse against such as professe them in words and walke contrary to them in life and conversation but liers slanderers and false accusers doe so as thou Haggar and Griffith and such like doth and therefore the Scriptures doth witnesse against you and your generation and seed of evill doers And such hath the benefit and comfort of the Scriptures as are guided by the holy Spirit into the life and power from whence good Scripture words proceeded yet the letter is not the life Joh. 5.39.40 and power of God to salvation but Christ and the Gospel is which the letter or Scriptures declares and testifies of Joh. 14.6 1 Joh. 5.12 Act. 4.12 Hebr. 5.8,9 Rom. 1.16 But thou seems as if thou would have a letter God a letter Christ a letter Spirit and a letter power to salvation or set the letter or Scripture up as God and Christ and power of God to salvation for thou saies faith comes by hearing the Scriptures preached which thou calls the Gospel and if by it thou saies then not without it and so according to that no Scripture no faith no salvation for without faith it is impossible to please God and be saved but according tothy saying or false doctrine no Scripture no faith and so making Scripture the moving cause of mens salvation for if there can be no saith without the Scripture then Christ might not be the author of it neither upon that account could he give faith if the Scripture were wanting and if there an be no faith without the Scripture thou would not have Christ to be the author and finisher of it but the letter and so sets the Scripture in the roome of Christ saying take away the Scripture which thou calls the cause and then the effect thou saies ceaseth so no Scripture no savtation upon thy account as much as to say the Scripture is the cause of mans salvation and not Christ and rake away the Scripture the cause and the effect ceaseth mind your Error or Lies herein Christ cannot give faith nor save without them and by that meanes or according to that saying or false doctrin of Haggars and thine for he hath backed thee in it no faith without the Scripture though Christ be the way to faith and the moving cause of it and so both the beginning and ending or author and finisher of it as the Scripture saith and saith Christ without mee you can do nothing then not beleive without him for he is the way to the Father Joh. 14.6 and so to faith who is both the author and finisher of it Hebr. 12.2 and here thou hast shewed thy ignorance of the Gospel and
but could not prove their saying therein and yet is to prove and the question to answer in the ground and true meaning which thou hast but made a poore shuffle in Error or Lies 58. 59 60. But to come on to turne thee thy lies back upon thee againe in page the 38. there is thy 58. 59. and 60 lies where thou saies as the Pharisees were without mercy so are you but thy testimony is false therein and where thou saies you look for justification by the law and by following the imaginations of an evill heart in you And thy 60 lie is where thou saies you are now through unbeleife departed from the pure way of the Lord those lies shall stand for thy selfe for the pure way of the Lord which is Christ the true light we are not departed from but walke in Joh. 1.9 Joh. 14.6 Joh. 8.12 And such as say we are departed from the pure way when we walk in it they must needs be guided by a lying and an erring Spirits as thou art and as we walke and so abide in him he keepeth us and teacheth us also to shew mercy to the objects of it and being mercifull we obtaine mercy and are blessed as to such Christ in his doctrine hath said Mat. 5. vers the 7th but we are taught also to reprove the deceipt and to have no fellowship with the unfruitfull works of darkness Eph. 5,11 at which thou and the Serpents seed are offended as they were at Christ our example in mercy and way to the Father who called them a generation of vipers and said how shall you escape the damnation of hell Mat. 23.33 And he who is our peace and way to the Father to wit Christ Jesus is our justification and sanctification also for by his blood are we justified and by his life are we saved Rom. 5.8.9.10,11 1 Cor. 1.30 and not as thou falsly saies therefore thou art left charged with those three lies that I have here answered which makes thy number 60 And being given over to lie thou art doubling or trebling them where thou art slandering and accuseing us falsly for thou saies As the Pharisees boasted more of themselves then any other people that shall stand for your selves that stick in the shadows as they did after the substance was come but thou saies so are these men boasting of perfection But boasting we deny yet we witnesse to the truth as before is said and therefore thou art here charged with another lie so making thy number 61 and thou saies we boast of perfection as the book declares but the book doth not say or declare that we boast of perfection perfection and therefore thou hast belied the book as the wise hearted may see and that shall stand for thy 62 lie And going on to lie making it thy work so to do thou saies they make it their whole work to overthrow the rule of the Scripture and all the ordinances thereof but we do not as thou saies and therefore thou art left charged with other 2 lies which makes thy number 64 The Rule or ground of the Scriptures is that from which they did proceed but the holy Scriptures and ordinances thereof proceeded from God and his Spirit and to say that God and his Spirit and so the rule of the Scriptures c can be overthrowne that is absurdity or meere blasphemy and we do not seek to do it neither is it any part of our worke to do as thou saies therefore take notice and be for ever ashamed of such thy absurdities or blasphemy and lies that makes it thy businesse to lie and-goes on in it saying they throw aside all the Laws and Ordinances of the Lord Jesus that is but to fill up thy number of lies and makes it amount to 66 and many more which I passe by which is not here mentioned but these may serve to let thee see thy folly and that others may see by what a lying and erring Spirit thou art guided and led that makes it thy businesse to lie and so to sin and serve thy Father the Devill Joh. 8.44 Rom. 6.16 and see thy portion for thy Fathers worke and remember that liers are for the lake Rev. 21.8 And where thou would raise severall lies upon mee from what is written in the beginning of my book about the worships of God c it is but as the rest of thy lies and deceitfull worke and therefore lies having no force in them to weaken the truth the book shall and doth cleare it selie of thee And this shall be a witnesse or further testimony against thy lying refuge which truth sweeps away or turnes back upon thee and thy partakers againe and keeps it selfe pure and cleane so for to remaine Take notice of another trick which the deceipt and that lying Spirit hath taught thee where thou art speaking against the plaine and proper language of thee and thou which thou saies is a proper language to any single person and afterwards saith it is not binding or to be performed If the wicked used it as well as the godly in former ages what a poore shift is that for thou saies if in all ages we finde the Lords people useing this terme and proper language of thee and thou to a single person c. and they only useing of it then thou saies it is granted that you err in that thing if you do it not but if the worst of men used it as well as the best of men then it is not binding or to be performed thou saies As much as to say though truth be truth and right and proper and ought to be obeyed and walked in yet because wicked men and enemies to it profess it as well as the godly and upright that in obedience to the Lord do practise it then it is not binding and to be walked in c. Oh horible delusion And as much as to say because the Devill and his disciples made use of the Scriptures for their own ends as well as the godly did for the truths defence yet according to thy argument they are not binding to be walked in c. because the Devill and wicked men made use of them as Christ and his disciples and the best of men did c And so thou saies the terme thee and thou is the proper or true and right speech to any single person yet because the Devill and the worst of men used it as Christ and the best of men did therefore it is not binding to be performed and practised thou saies oh horible deceipt Though I passe by many of thy lies yet I cannot but put thee in minde of some more of them and turne them back upon thee againe in page 29 first thou art Quering and saies Quisitively is not your mercy and pittie turned into bitternesse and hatred c here thou shews thou knows not but art quiering by thy darke minde into the things then presently after in the
within them so was his word nigh them for the word of faith and so of grace was within in their hearts Rom. 10.8 and 1 Joh. 2.14 And Paul commited them to God and the word of his grace which was able to build them up and give them an inheritance amongst them that were sanctified even by the Spirit of their God 1 Cor. 6.11 and that was also within them Gal. 4.6 1 Joh. 3.24 and therefore Paul did commit them to the power of God and his light and word also within them for saith he the word is nigh thee in thy heart even the same word of faith and so of grace which we preach and God hath said that he will dwell in you and walke in you saith Paul to the Corinthians as in the Scriptures above mentioned And saith Iohn in his Epistle to the freinds of God let that saith he abide in you which ye have heard from the beginning if that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remaine in you ye also shall continue in the Son and in the Father 1 Joh. 2.24 and the light was in them which thou so much despiseth so was the holy unction which thou shews thy selfe to be ignorant of 1 Joh. 2.27 that art such an enemy to the light as by thy book doth appeare who art so blind in the things of the Spirit of God as the Serpents seed ever were that maketh lies thy refuge as they do did To thy 6th thou saies thou observes that they that pretend to walke by the light within them were in the greatest darknesse to the which I answer that they that did but pretend so to do and did not they were in darkness as thou art but such saith Christ as follow me and so the light in them Colos 1.27 they shall not walke in darknesse but have the light of life Joh. 8.12 and such as did and now do obey and so follow the true light that lighteth every man that cometh into the world Joh. 1.9 they are led into the light of life and so are called out of darknesse into the marvellous light 1 Pet. 2.7.8.9 And in thy 7th thou saies God hath sent forth his light and truth to guide men to his holy hill and then saith in the latter end of it the light is not able to lead unto hapinesse see thy confusion that light which leads to the holy hill leads unto happiness which light is Christ and thou saies after to confute thy selfe that Ghrist the true light Joh. 1.9 who is in man Colos 1.27 is not able to lead into happinesse But therein thy darkness is seene who would put the letter for the light and take the authoritie from Christ and his Spirit saying the light in man is not able to lead to happinesse but the Scriptures which thou calls the word is able to save your souls thou saies if you receive it with meeknesse citing Jam. 1.21 and if thou knew the word that James there speaks of thou would know it within to be an ingrafted word not in Paper and Inke but deviding assunder betwixt Spirit and soul Heb. 4.12 but thou that saies the light in man it he obey and follow it is not able to lead to happinesse thou art a contrary witnesse and messenger to the former witnesses and messengers of God if Christ and his Spirit be light and not darknesse and be in man then according to thy saying though Christ and his Spirit which is light and not darknesse be in man yet they are not able to lead out of darknesse and into the light of life and true happinesse but Christ saith such as follow him the true light shall not walk in darknesse but have the light of life and so true happiness for he is the author of eternall salvation to all that obey him Heb. 5.8.9 but so is not the letter though it declare of it therefore take notice of thy deceipt and be ashamed of it And to thy 8th the Commandements of God that are pure enlightening the eyes of the understanding are pure and spirituall and was in them before they proceeded forth and the same Spirit doth now enlighten our understanding and the enterance of the word of life that devides betwixt soul and Spirit give light and understanding which word is not the letter though the letter declare of it yet witnessed unto by it which word giveth us an understanding dwelling within us as it did them that witnessed the same Heb. 4.12 Rom. 10.8 1 Joh. 2.14 and 1 Ioh. 4.4 1 Ioh. 5.20 And therefore we being enlightened with it having an understanding given thereby we do not speake against the law and testimony 1 Ioh. 3.4 Rom. 8.2.3.4 Rev. 19.10 but according to them because there is light within us Isa 8.20 2 Cor. 4.6,7 as in thy 8th consederation Consideration the 9th that the true Prophets did not follow the imaginations of their own hearts yet the light and Spirit of God with them they did follow as those people doth that thou in thy 9th seeks to cast thy slander upon but it turnes off from them and stands for thy selfe who forsakes the light within to follow the imaginations of thy heart which makes thee to accuse falsly and slander and so speaks not acco●ding to the law and testimony therein because darknesse hath blinded thy minde And where thou saies in thy 10th that the false Prophets was eminent in that worke and saith it is an evident marke of the false Prophets so to do to lie and speake fasly as you do but not to follow the light as thou would have it except thou would make false Prophets of the true for they was eminent in following the light and Spirit of God within and said To the law and testimony if any man speake not according to them it is because there is no light in him Then they that spake and now speake according to the law and testimony there is light in them so was there in the true Prophets and they was eminent in following the light within them but so did not the false Prophets thou art to prove that for such as did not follow the light and Gunsaile of God they were false Prophets and false teachers as thou art and all liers slanderers and false-accusers And to thy 11th That all those teachers now that come after God hath sent the light of the Gospel and his Spirit to guide into all truth such as obey and follow the same Luke 2.32 Ioh. 8.12 Ioh. 16.13 Rom. 8.14 Gal. 4.6 and all people from the light and the teachings of the Spirit to follow carnall inventions and despise and undervalue the true light and spirituall teachings and stick in Paper and Inke and are Ministers of their brain-imaginations from the letter and are not of the new Covenant and light and Spirit 2 Cor. 3.6 2 Cor. 4.4.5.6.7 they are false Apostles and false teachers that are such liers slanderers and false-accusers as Thomas Pollard