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A85548 The shipwrack of all false churches: and the immutable safety and stability of the true Church of Christ. Occasioned: by Doctour Chamberlen his mistake of her, and the holy scriptures also, by syllogising words, to find out spirituall meanings, when in such cases it is the definition, not the name, by which things are truly knowne. Graunt, John, of Bucklersbury. 1652 (1652) Wing G1594; Thomason E674_21; ESTC R207205 29,575 28

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the Spirit of the Lord foretold And they shall doe great wonders and works of great power so that they would deceive if it were possible the very elect Which kind of Faith may properly be defined thus That it is a certain undoubted confidence whereby a man beleeveth that God Almighty will by him doe this or that Miracle as the Scripture saith Through Faith in his name The third sort of the gifts of the Spirit which any man receiveth to Eternall life is called by the name of Faith and that more often then those before named which the Scripture calleth The Faith of God The Faith of the Son of God the Faith of Jesus Christ the Faith of Abraham the Faith that worketh by love the Faith of Gods Elect which is often and properly called by godly men justifying Faith and of this sort and kind of Faith all the Saints and they onely have which may be truely defined in this manner that it is a full sure and firme confidence ingraven by the power of the Spirit of God in a penitent broken heart whereby he assuredly beleeveth that all his sins are remitted and that he is reconciled and made one with God in everlasting love and favour through the Lord Jesus Christ Now the Doctour ought to have considered which of all these three sorts of Faith is meant by our Saviour in the place he alledges the last sort of Faith cannot be understood for that is included in the next tearm Baptized as I shall shew when I give you the meaning Nor the second sort for that 's not peculiar to them that shall be saved And therefore without all contradiction it must be the first sort of Faith which all the Elect of God must have in some measure or other wrought by Gods Spirit before he works either Repentance or Remission of sins which kind of Faith may well be expressed in saying that it is and it is nothing else but a sure knowledge and settled assent of the mind and heart by which a man most undoubtedly beleeveth such things as are revealed for the Salvation of mankinde Now the second Tearme in the Text is Baptized which word is likewise of divers significations in the Scripture and he ought here to have dealt like a skilfull spirituall workman as before is exprest that is in the first place to have shewed the manifold acceptations the same word also hath in the Holy Ghosts expression and then which of all the meanings by the same tearm is here to be understood which the Doctor having omitted of necessity I must do this work for him to find out the true meaning of this Scripture also Wherefore I say of the tearm Baptisme as of the tearm Faith that it hath divers disfinct and severall meanings in the Scriptures sometimes is meant by it externall elementary Baptisme that which is from below but more often that which is spirituall and heavenly from above as repentance is called Baptisme and so is Remission of Sinnes and these two heavenly operations together being Regeneration and the making parts of the New man are called Baptisme and so are the gifts of the Holy Ghost given to this New creature called Baptisme as also the enabling Grace in the holy conversation of this Child of God His mortification and vivification are called Baptisme as also are his blessed sufferings for righteousnesse sake Can you be Baptized with the Baptisme that I am Baptized with c. Now Mr. Doctour may it please you to learne which of all these distinct meanings is that which is intended by our Lord and Saviour the last it cannot be for in that our Lord speaks of the work and exercise of a New man born and not of the Birth it selfe the first it cannot be for that is from below and it is impossible for the water of the great Ocean Springs or Fountains to unharden the heart to convert a naturall man to renew the sinner to sanctifie the polluted then without all question it must be the Baptisme of Repentance and Remission of Sinnes the washing of Regeneration and Renewing of the Holy Ghost for whosoever is so Baptized doth so repent and beleeve shall be saved Now these things considered I pray see what a corrupt manner of Preaching is this of yours and how these Scriptures prove what you have affirmed let the people of the Lord judge For as you have by your false Expositions killed and taken away the life and meaning of Gods holy Word in these past instances of Divine Writ even so in like manner hath your dealing been with all other Scriptures you have made use of for which in due time and place you shall receive just reproof In the next place I should have discovered your ignorance of the Ordinance of the Lords Supper which is your confirmation of your Disciples under the power of your Ordinances as you use to say by which you doe not onely interest your selves into their Estates but have the disposing of their bodies also But I will defer that till I shall determine it rightly by the Scriptures of truth and will now take in hand the point you have spent most of your Syllogismes about concerning the Ministry of the Church of Christ and you ground your large Disputes on a Question page 2. which you frame thus Whether privat men I mean Trades-men say you may Preach the Word of God without Ordination By which it appears his meaning is they may and so goes on in all fury and in a conceit of an uncontrollable ability to make good his three fold Cord of Major Minor and Conclusion with cunning sophisticall words of Juglers as the Apostle speaks of some in his time 2 Pet. 1. 16. And the man is so confident that he thinks neither word nor spirit may countermand him but when the account of his Question is audited I think he will wish he had been better imployed for the Doctour is fallen into a mist as he was before and doth all his work in darknesse and he shall find them to prove no lesse then works of darknesse themselves by not clearing three tearms in his Question that is Private men Ordination and Preaching and that I may the more fully discover the Doctours weaknesse his question 's examination shall be by the Scriptures and then it will appear how the Scriptures meaning and the Doctours doth disagree Now we find the first tearm Private man made use of by the Apostle 2 Pet. 1. 20 21. Knowing this first saith he that no Prophesie of the Scripture is of any private interpretation or motion as some translate for the Prophesie came not at any time by the will of man c. The Apostle teacheth us here that the private man he speaks of is a naturall man and he explains his own meaning to be so in these words By the will of man that is by no naturall mans abilities whatsoever And as he denies that the Prophesie of truth and
THE SHIPWRACK OF ALL False Churches AND The Immutable Safety and Stability of the true Church of CHRIST Occasioned By DOCTOUR CHAMBERLEN His mistake of her and of the Holy Scriptures also by Syllogising words to find out Spirituall Meanings when in such cases it is the Definition not the Name by which things are truly knowne Jer. 9. Trust not in lying words saying the Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord c. Psal. 87. 2. The Lord loveth the Gates of Sion more then all the dwellings of Jacob Matth. 12. 36 37. But I say unto you That every idle word that men shall speake they shall give account thereof in the day of Judgement For by thy words thou shalt be justified and by thy words thou shalt be condemned LONDON Printed and are to be sold by G. Calvert at the West End of Pauls and J. Hancock in Popes-head Alley 1652. To the Church of Christ at London Beloved of God called by the Spirit to be Saints in Christ Jesus All grace be multiplyed FAITHFULL FRIENDS IN love to you and the Truth I have undertaken in your Cause and in the right of you all to discover a counterfeit Friend whom I lately met with that did aver to my selfe and to others of your society That to be your state and condition your devotion fruit and manifestation which upon triall proved no better then carnall and sensuall And having received perfect knowledge of you by the same spirit that doth make and constitute you I could not keep silence but instantly reproved him openly yet notwithstanding that publick disclaim I made of what he said he hath since printed that which he then verbally avouched which is so unsavory and to your holy and pure nature so contrary From which aspersion to free you I have made bold to declare and make knowne your holy and spirituall birth life constitution fellowship communion hope and worship in the purity and spirituall part of Gods Ordinances your divine communion with the Father and with the Son in the Spirit your righteous Garments without you and Gods habitation with his comfortable refreshments within you your peculiar treasures and priviledges in knowing the Truth and the Administration of it also the heavenly power you have with Christ and what it is indeed to be gathered together in his name and how clear and intire you stand distinct from all other Churches that boldly call themselves by your Titles and Appellations and lay claim to your own immunities and priviledges also with such particular Letters that have passed interchangeably between us touching the vindication of you in the premises who am the Lords and yours In all humble Service In the Truth J. G. Bucklersbury the 25th of June 1652. SIR I Have twice borne your contemptuous slightings although what I moved was seasonable both for Gods glory and the present occasion And had not earnest businesse caused my long absence from London you should have heard of me before this time to have required an account concerning your great seemings to no purpose Sir As there was in times past an outward appearance that was not righteous so there is still in this present time which was as much manifested by your selfe in those Arguings where I was with you at Mr Webbs as ever heretofore by any of your Generation Now since my returne to London I have seen you have printed a Monument of your owne weaknesse which except you repent of will unavoydably redound to your great prejudice and if you will give me satisfaction in the two particulars I reproved you in well if not I shall publish not only my reproofe of those two Arguments but of every thing else you then spake of and since have printed this is the mind of him that answered your uncivill questions what he was that spake and how in profession where for habitation and his distinction for nomination who then told you he was alwayes ready to meet you at any time to discover the fallacy of your Baptisme and Church also Subscribing my Name as it is John Graunt Dwelling as abovesaid at the signe of the halfe Moon London the 9th of July 1652. Sir THe last Month I gave you to understand of your incivility towards me intimating the time and place also and because your regardlesnesse is still continued I thought good the second time to write although you denyed me to speak once and againe and to let you to know that there is not a more certaine time of sinning against God his truth and children then of suffering for wronging them For he that affirms that to be the Church of Christ that is not wrongs the Lord the Husband and his holy Spouse also And he that gives any other meaning of the Scripture then what the holy Ghost intendeth hurts and wounds the truth of Gods testimonies and his Children also Now the truth is thou art the man that hast blasphemed the Tabernacle of God and them that dwell therein affirming her to be untempered morter and fading that is true dureable everlasting And that to be the meaning of Christ Mat 16. 17. and the Apostle Rom. 10. 9 10. which was never meant nor intended by them Sir you did not consider the Scriptures when you read them if you had you might have discerned the meaning otherwise then that you have there declared and if it be possible look on the Text with a single eye and then you may perceive more then yet you have for this is a spirituall Scripture and none but spirituall eyes can discern it In the letter it runs thus upon Peters confession Thou art Christ the Son of the living God Jesus answered and said unto him Blessed art thou Simon c. For flesh and bloud hath not revealed this unto thee but my Father which is in Heaven You see the Lord pronounces him blessed because he was one that the Lord had inspired taught and instructed that it was not Peters confession as he was a naturall but as he was a spirituall man and so uttered from the Spirit of adoption as in another place the same Apostle speaking to the same purpose We beleeve and are sure that thou art that Christ the Son of the living God And as in the foregoing words he calls him Lord saying Whether shall we goe thou hast the words of Eternall life Again consider the terms he useth We beleeve and are sure this sure and stedfast Faith is that Faith which ●●y had that received him that is that loved understood and obeyed him To whom he gave the priviledge of Sonship even them that beleeve on his name And then he shewes what manner of men they are in these words Which were borne saith he not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man but of God so then this blessed confession is from a blessed man a regenerated man the Confession of a Child of the Covenant as the Apostle Paul in the
said he had been taught of God and that shewes he is a Child of God a holy man as I have instanced before in the Apostle Peters description to this purpose and by bringing forth of his treasure he means the administration of his spirituall gifts from the supernaturall store house within him Again our Lord saith Whosoever beleeveth in me as the Scripture hath said out of his belly shall flow Rivers of water of Life This he spake saith the Text of the gifts they should receive that beleeved on him This effectuall faith which is twice repeated and that to which the Word of God witnesseth to be satisfying drink to the thirsty soule sheweth such a one to be Regenerate and the flowing fountain proceeding from him those heavenly gifts of the Holy Ghost And agreeable to this is that which is spoke of Stephen that Holy Martyr when those choyce and learned Students of the Synagogues of the Libertines men of four severall Nations Cyrenians Allexandrians Cyreans and As●ans these even such were not able to resist the wisdome and the spirit by which he spake So the Prophet Micha speaking to the shame of such Prophets that speak without an answer from God that have no Vision but their own to whom the day the light of Gods truth is darke over them and the Sun is gone downe from them and yet will Prophesie though they confound themselves But truly saith he I am full of power by the Spirit of the Lord and of judgement and of might to declare unto Jacob c. That is to Preach to Jacob And so the Apostle Paul speaking of the Gospel of Christ Whereof saith he I am made a Minister according to or by the gift of grace given to me by or through the effectuall working of his power And so he testifies to another Church Whereof I am made a Minister according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you fully That is perfectly truly and spiritually to preach the Word of God And so Peter and John testified to the face of such at Jerusalem as had Crucified our Lord with wicked hands and proceeded also to forbid them to speak any more to anyman in his name notwithstanding their threatnings we cannot said they but speake the things we have seene and heard What Gods Messengers see hear and learne of the Father that they declare that they preach Christ gives the gifts God hath set them in his Church his body but every member hath not the same Office therefore the differing gifts give being to different Offices and Officers and all spirituall as the whole body is and are approved of and allowed by the rest of the Members all the Saints Now I should have spoken of the keyes power and rich treasures of this Church but Doctour you are not able to bear it at this time that is neither to understand it nor receive it But you will say I will answer all that he hath said in one word for all that he hath spoken is to be understood of the invisible Church but all my Disputes are of visible Congregations and Sir what you mean by them your owne words declare page 23. as is touch before such as any man may know saith he and if that be so then I am sure they consist of naturall and carnall men and of the same nature are their administrations for the Apostle saith The naturall man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God for they are foolishnesse unto him neither can he know them because they are spiritually discerned Again to say the true Church of Christ is invisible is the old cunning cheat of the Devil to keep men from Repentance and from attaining that eye salve through which they might discerne the things that belong unto their peace and depart from Babylon and make haste to Sion But saith the Doctour The Baptized Churches have forsaken Babylon and admit of none but Baptized Members nothing but pure Ordinances we are knit together in Church fellowship But by your leave if ye be carnall and cannot discerne the Church of God and therefore deny her visibility which her Lord affirmeth of her to be a City set upon a Hill a candle on a Table the Light of the World the Salt of the Earth If you cannot discerne the true Church and yet you professe your selves Churches then you are no other then the carnall Jewes Church Jerusalem from below which is in bondage with her Children and the Righteousnesse thereof but the Righteousnesse of the Scribes and Pharisees who used to wash the out-side and fl●sh as you doe but inwardly and in heart very foule and adulterous notwithstanding all their seeming holinesse of separation stand further off I am holier then thee their boasting of their Prayers and of their Ordinances and their compassing Sea and Land to make a Proselyte to convert men to their Church and yet in so doing make them more the Child of the devil then they were before and thereby make them the rather a stink in the Lords nostrills I tell you plainly Doctour there are but two Churches in the whole World one carnall the other spirituall two seeds the seed of the Woman and the seed of the Serpent two sorts of Children them of light and them of darknesse two heards of Cattell the fat and the lean two kinds of people the cursed and the blessed and I advise you therefore to trust no longer in lying words saying The Temple of the Lord the Temple of the Lord for no outward conceivings or humane traditions or inventions can be Gods House Church and Temple but those before described and as the Holy Prophet saith The Temple of the Lord are these such as throughly repent of their sinnes and amend their wayes and their doings c. And therefore Doctour I advise you againe now heedfully and speedily to mind the Apostles counsell To day if you will hear his voyce harden not your heart least you enter not into his rest where he teacheth you and me and all that to enter into Gods rest through Faith is by Repentance And because I will omit no means to take you off from minding so much your false Church I will shew you in what condition you and all men else stand in this C●mmon-wealth of England Consider this I pray you that this Common-wealth being a University of Believers the whole multitude consisteth of two sorts The one sort Regenerate Believers such as are borne of God whose spirituall estate is before described and this sort onely are the Church of Christ as before also is affirmed The second sort of Believers are outward Christians and are indewed with the common Faith onely from which faith and grace they may fall and perish and yet before their apostacy have equall right with spirituall Christians in outward externall Ordinances as the letter of the word and prayer the washing away the filth of the body and the corporall signes of the