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A19713 Pasquine in a traunce a Christian and learned dialogue (contayning wonderfull and most strange newes out of heauen, purgatorie, and hell) wherein besydes Christes truth playnely set forth, ye shall also finde a numbre of pleasaunt hystories, discouering all the crafty conueyaunces of Antechrist. Whereunto are added certayne questions then put forth by Pasquine, to haue bene disputed in the Councell of Trent. Turned but lately out of the Italian into this tongue, by W.P. Seene allowed [sic] according to the order appointed in the Queenes Maiesties iniunctions.; Pasquillus ecstaticus. English Curione, Celio Secondo, 1503-1569.; Page, William, fl. 1566.; Painter, William, 1540?-1594, attributed name.; Phiston, William, attributed name. 1566 (1566) STC 6130; ESTC S109155 162,493 234

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an hundreth yeres vnlesse the body were buried Pasquine That was without comparison lesse harme than that of our Priestes who herevpon haue founded a lying and dampnable Purgatory and haue made the foolysh people beleue that not he that putteth a single penny in the mouth of the dead man but who so euer putteth not a great gubbe of money into their pursses or leaueth not to them good possessions can not so sone be delyuered from the paynes of that Purgatory of theirs Marforius Oh thou canst now tel me certaine newes of this purgatory if it be there thou must nedes haue sene it Pasquine I will fully declare vnto thée the truth and that thou mayst the better beleue me I will alleage so many reasons authorities of y ● scripture that thou shalt be assured that it is as I shall tell thée But first I will rehearse vnto thée péece by péece that little that yet remaineth for me to tell We entred in at that gate and walked along by that broade way being still among a greate multitude of people that passed thitherward and hearing still more and more those dolorous and lamentable outeryes all those people went with great hast being dryuen by their cruell destinye and forthwith were they all seuerallye put to dyuers punishments and torments as afterward I shall shewe thée But I that was not come thither to suffer any of those punishments but to learne thinges by the declaring whereof afterwarde I might cause that other should not indure them went on faire and softly cōsidering eche things and prying in euery corner to sée where Purgatory was And I sawe on the one syde a huge Lake that with the lower ende of it touched the tormenting places where the dampned soules be wherof when I had much maruelled I demaūded the Angell what it might meane he aunswered me that the Purgatory which the priestes had made began at the vpper ende of that Lake and reached vnto those tormenting places which were deuided from Purgatorye but with a thinne wall And when Neptune let droppe his waters that before I tolde thée of downe into this place this Lake was then made which for all that did not fill vppe all Purgatory but that part which ioyned to those tormenting places remayned set on fire and at the same verye tyme the fire tooke holde on eche side of the wall and burnt it quite and so was it made all one place with Hell and this parte that remayneth yet on fire is for them that beleue in Purgatory and the other that was quenched altogether by Neptunes waters is for them that beleue not in it Marforius All that thou talkest I hold as thinges true yet notwithstanding if I shoulde at anye tyme proue vnto other the vanity and falshoode of this deuyse with other testimonies than thine owne only I pray thée to alleage me also those of the scripture together with them all those reasons that not long agoe thou saydest thou wouldest bring forth Pasquine I will with al my hart stande stil and giue good eare Marforius I will giue good eare say on hardly Pasquine By the worde of God thou shalt neuer finde other Purgatory than the bloud of Iesus Christ thorowe the which onely all sinnes are perfectly pardoned and therefore do they committe grieuous sinne that say there is other Purgatory than this and it is a blasphemous and Diuelishe fondnesse of them that beleue it And that thou mayst know howe false thys diuelishe deuise is I will first alleage certaine places of the scripture that goe against it in Saint Mathew and Saint Marke thus we reade He that beleueth and is baptised shall be ●aued and he that beleueth not shall be dampned By the whiche wordes thou mayst perceiue that saluatiō is giuē vs by fayth and dampnation for lack of fayth Therefore eyther we dye in fayth or without fayth if we dye in fayth we are saued for it is written He that beleueth shal be saued If we dye without fayth we are dampned for it is written He that beleueth not shall be dampned Besydes this Saint Iohn sayth So God loued the vvorlde that he gaue his onely begotten Sonne to the ende that al that beleue in him should not perish but haue lyfe euerlasting For God hath not sent hys sonne into the vvorlde to condemne the vvorlde but that the vvorlde might be saued by him he that beleueth in him shal not be condemned and he that beleueth not is condemned already bycause he beleueth not in the name of the onely Sonne of God Thou séest that the father hath giuen vs his sonne to the ende that he that beleueth in him should haue euerlasting lyfe and that euerlasting lyfe followeth him that beleueth What thinkest thou now that this euerlasting life is Marforius I thinke it is heauē out of doubt Pasquine Thou sayest well but if the beleuer be iudged to go to Purgatory what a heauen is this doest thou not sée how this is contrary to the word of God Moreouer y ● word being saued by Christ nedes must it be that he which beleueth haue a life without pain and he that beleueth in him is not iudged But if he wente to Purgatory he shoulde be iudged to go thyther the which can not be to him that beleueth For Saint Paule sayth that there is no condempnation to him that beleueth in Iesus Christ. And Christ hym selfe sayth Verely verely I say vnto you he that heareth my vvordes and beleueth on him that sent me hath euerlasting lyfe and shall not come vnto dampnation but is escaped from death to lyfe But if any man wēt into Purgatory séest thou not that he shuld not haue euerlasting lyfe that is to say heauen but y ● he should be condempned and that he should not passe from death to lyfe the whiche is cleane contrary to Christs owne saying Marforius What this is not condempnation Pasquine Nay the traditions of these men saye manifestlye that the soule for euerye deadely sinne is iudged to abyde seauen yeares in the fire of Purgatory the whiche is a most horrible lye for in all the holye scripture is not founde one onelye iote spoken of seauen yeares nor of no suche foolyshe brabling nay rather is the contrary found in y ● whole scripture as in the Parable of the rych man and poore Lazarus eche of them dyeth the one is buryed in hel and the other is caryed into Abrahams bosome without touching any whit of the paynes of Purgatorye And the theefe that was crucified with Christ was neuer in Purgatory to doe penance for his sinnes and yet Christ sayde vnto him This day shalt thou be vvith me in Paradise If there were any suche false Purgatory it must nedes be that some mentiō must be made of it in these places of the scripture But there is none other purgation than the bloud of Christ
it whē y e newes therof was brought to Pope Iulie the seconde albeit this be also written in a faithfull story and yet escaped they not vnpunished therefore for foure of thē which were priuy to this and other so great sacrileges were burnt aliue And this was before y ● Berne had the vnderstanding of the gospel But those Lords of Berne haue bene alwayes enimies to deceytés and to these knauish deuises whom if the Venetians would follow and not suffer so many false miracles and other deceytes of gredy Ipocrites as the body of saint Roch which is made of toawe and of Chaulke of so many Ladyes y ● for gredinesse of gaine are made to worke myracles not only they but y ● rest of Italy the other parts of Christendome would open their eyes and espy out so many so manifest deceytes that who so euer doth not finde them out is well worthy of all blame and shall in the ende be punished therefore of Christ. But to returne to the woundes of Camilla I haue heard say that being desired to supper by certaine Nonnes in the euening after supper when she should goe to bed she asked for a little Malmesey when a woman of the Monastery had giuen hir some being desirous to knowe what she would do with it she stoode and looked throughe a little hole of the dore and sawe that she cast the Malmesey droppe by droppe vpon hir hande and she groned but she coulde sée nothing else Marforius By like she did kepe those woundes open with this subtile deuise euen so wyth the same subtile deuise did make them at the first Pasquine I could say also of hir howe she entermedleth hir selfe with making of Mariages moued thereto for the zeale of hir pursse for she will be well payed Then vseth shée many other brybing fetches there are many presents sent vnto hir and she sendeth them couertly to sell she playeth the Phisitian and asketh this thing that thing to make Medicines withall then sendeth the things to sell as happened to a poore woman for a great many poundes of waxe And such one as thou hearest is shée and yet is accompted a most holy one Marforius God be he that prouide therefore for of men I sée not howe remedy may be hoped for But if there be nothing else to be sayde of this deuision or Quéere goe on forwarde Pasquine In the thirde streate were the confessours This was a great route and wonderfully out of frame full of rytes different customes Some had thrée Crownes some Myters some Hats some were shauen some couered faced some laie brothers in gray coates some blewe some redde some white some blacke some gray some hooded like the Scapuchines some of the order that Chietti made All had some sundry signe of Ipocrisie most of all those Chiettines Marforius What a thing is this that they euer speake of Christ and neuer séeke the honour of Christ but of them selues Pasquine I haue alwayes séene that these that haue Christ still in their mouthes neuer haue him in their heartes Marforius It is true But what made these men with so many sundry liueryes Pasquine I can not tell thée of certainty but for as much as I perceyued they were also in greate trouble Marforius And wherefore Pasquine Least they should be forsaken of their deuout Clients Marforius What is that I heare thée say why are these Gods afeard of men Pasquine If they be made and inuented by men wilte thou not that by them they may be also ouerthrowen of these Gods speaketh the Scripture where he sayth They are the vvorke of mens handes and therefore are they afeard Marforius Wherefore are they called Confessours Pasquine Bycause they haue spent al their whole life in hearing confessions and other mennes sinnes or in confessing them selues to other as commonly they do Marforius Thou laughest Pasquine Pasquine I laugh in dede but yet it followeth not but that I say the truth Marforius I thought they had bene called Confessours bycause they should confesse Christ with their tongues with their lyues and with their deathes Pasquine Thou art deceyued vnlesse thou wouldst say that to confesse y ● the Pope is the head of the Church and that saluatiō is gotten by mannes merites is to confesse Christ. But that is not in the Crede or Simbole of the Apostles Marforius As farre as I can perceiue this is rather a denying of Christ than a confessing of him But me thinke thou makest a mocke of confession whiche is a thing very holy and necessary Pasquine Doe I make a mock of confession Nay I confesse my selfe very often tymes didst not thou say euen now that they are true cōfessours that confesse Christ and professe him with their words and with their déedes Marforius Yes and I thought that for this cause they had bene called confessours For of this confession I think our maister Christ spake when he sayd He that shal confesse me before men him vvill I also confesse before my father vvhich is in heauen And so let your light shine before men that they may see your good vvorkes and glorisie your father vvhich is in heauen But I aske thée of that other confession that is called Sacramentall and Auriculer which is made to man and of him is had the absolution of sinnes Pasquine I shoulde stande to long to aunswere thée to all that that thou demaundest me But of this I will in fewe words put thée out of doubt Thinkst thou that Christ was perfectly wise Marforius I beleue that he was most wise very wisedome it selfe Pasquine Thinkest thou that his doctrine was absolute and perfect Marforius I beleue it for he was God vnto whome can be ascribed none imperfection without great and heynous offence Pasquine Doth there wante any thing in his doctrine deliuered vnto vs by his Apostels Marforius Nothing that is necessary to liue well and to goe to euerlasting life Pasquine Syth he hath therfore made no maner mention of this eare confession it is not necessary for our blessed life Marforius This is it that I woulde so faine knowe for many affirme that it is allowed by Gods worde and many deny it Pasquine Thou must nedes knowe what thine owne doctour Panormitanus sayth concerning it to whom I am sure thou giuest credite Marforius He sayth playnely that such confession is not founde in all the holy scripture nor that the Greekes were therfore by our Churches neuer holdē as Heretiques who deny the same and wil none of it and yet doth the Pope condempne and holde him as an Heretique that refuseth and denieth it to be commaunded by Gods lawe Pasquine Oh maruell not at that for he condēneth also him that confesseth That christ is our onely Sauiour our onely redemer and our Aduocate thā the
Thou meanest therefore that they vse this feate that they may be both feared worshipped in the worlde Pasquine Who doubteth of that Marforius And who hath giuen them so great power against men Pasquine The most high God who sendeth his plagues by these saintes that are ●uil Angelles that is to say Diuels Marforius And after what sort Pasquine If men forsaking the true God do runne to false saintes wilt thou not that God doth leaue them in the power of those whom they haue chosen to be their defendours Marforius And me thinketh it good reason Pasquine If I therfore choose to my selfe Saint Rocke or Saint Bastian or Saint Anthony to whom I beare my deuotion and in my missehaps aduersities runne to them and stande in feare of them am not I as a slaue vnto them Marforius No Pasquine we pray them that they will sue vnto God for vs and there obtayne for vs. Then we pray vnto them that they wil not vse against vs that power that they haue of God to do vs hurte but that they will delyuer vs from the same Pasquine Tell me thinkst thou that God is become so olde that he can nowe no more gouerne the whole worlde alone and that he must deuide his kingdom and his power among his Saints Beside that when thou prayest to Saint Ro●ke ▪ doest not thou euidently shew y ● thou beleuest y ● he is more merciful than christ that herein he can do more than christ for else thou wouldst go to christ Marforius Albeit I sayd no the effect sayd yea Pas. Doing therfore this séest thou not that y ● doest iniury to Christ. Mar. And wherein Pasquine In preferring man before God in beleuing that a mā hath more mercy can do more than Christ to whome the scripture sayth that God hath giuen al power in heauen and in earth and that he is altogether mercy In that thou wilt haue an other aduocate than Christ who as the scripture saith in many places is our only Aduocate only mediator betvvene God man What vnexcusable foolishnesse is that therfore of them y ● forsaking so mercyful a Lorde so gentle and liberall a defendour so mighty an Aduocate in whom only God the father is pleased they run backe from God and his sonne to certaine Saintes whom they knowe not whether they be in heauen or no nay rather is it to be thought that they be in the Diuels Codware and thus leaue they that onely Mediatour that onely Aduocate that God hath prepared for vs in vvhom onely God is pleased Oh how many are vpon the Aultars and worke miracles whose soules are tormented in Hell Marforius Oh my Pasquine how much am I bound to thée that makest me to vnderstande the greatnesse of my grosse ignoraunce Nowe am I sory for the time that I haue lost about Iohannes Andreas and Speculator But tel me are Anthony Rocke Martyrs Pasquine Thou askeste me euen in time for I my selfe maruelled much at it when I sawe them in that Quéere But séeking more curiouslye to be out of doubt thereof it was tolde me that they were not Martyred but they earnestly sought to haue bene and that they roamed throughe many Cities to be offered to the Lord and coulde finde no man that would kil them Marforius This did suche at all tymes finde as neuer sought for it in dede thinke thou nowe whether he might lacke it that sought for it most chiefly then among those Diocletanes and Maxentij that were waxed fat therwith as do in these dayes the Popes and their mitred Mahoundes who if they knew these our communications I can assure thee that they would easely graunt vs to be martyrs But thou sawest not there Saint Peter and Saint Paule Pasquine I sawe them and I sawe them not For they were behinde a certayne Courtine the which was by and by let downe so lowe that a man might sée to their breastes and anone it was drawen vppe againe in the turning of a hande Marforius But Saint Christopher was he there If he were thou didst take much payne to sée him and to knowe him among the rest Pasquine I sawe him beholding so monstrous a Giant I asked mine Aungell if this Giant were euer in earth much maruelling that none that hath written hystories nor none of those that with so great diligence haue written the doings of the Greekes and Romaines and of others of olde time hath made any mention of so huge a giant Marforius What did the Angell answere thée Pasquine He laughed at it and desiring him to answere me thus he beganne Beleue not Pasquine quoth he that there hath bene at any time so great a Giant in the world but this is a deuise ef those wise men of the first christian common wealth who meaning to sette forth the life of a christian man cōprehended the whole vnder this Image the which they after warde called Christophorus for Christophorus is no more to saye but Bearing Christ. They faine therefore that he is a Giant for that he must be strong that beareth Christ and his truth in the presence of men They fayne also that he carieth men ouer a water for our life is as a water ouer the which we can not passe vnlesse we be caried that is to say we can not passe to heauen except he that is of Christ doe carry vs with the truth of his Gospell They faine also that he hath in his hande a trée to stay himselfe by this signifieth fayth y ● which if it did not holde vs vp full ofte should we fall to the ground they fayne that after he had vsed this work of charitie the trée waxed gréene agayne for fayth without good workes is as it were drie and withered And thus is he paynted at the entrie into the church to the ende eche christian man should remember whether he be as he ought to be There were also other Saintes mine Angell tolde me that were likewise fayned to set forth vnto vs vnder that representatiō some truth As Saint George that killeth the Dragon to deliuer the Kings daughter from that terrible beaste that destroyed a●l Cappadocia This Cappadocia is as much to meane as the world the Dragon is the Diuel that deuoureth al that come to his hands the kings daughter is the Church of God saint George is Christ who seing his church in peril s●ayeth that Dragon and deliuereth his most faire daughter And so he tolde me many other like Marforius This doe I beleue right well for I remember that the Decretal holdeth these two hystories of no authoritie and not allowed by the Churche albeit the Friers haue sithens drawen all things to their owne gayne partly through false dealing and partely through ignoraunce If this be true as I well beleue it h●w do lyes swarme in Frier Iames of the Synkehole and
mightst cause all these things to be opēly shewed to the whole world which are in déede no lesse true than necessary to be knowē Pasquine Thou wishest me a ●ery good turne Marforius in that thou wouldest haue me become Antichrist If I were Pope I shoulde be euen as the rest were for the Papacye would make me to be as it is and I should not make it be as I say And besyde that thou knowest that they can not abide me Marforius I wonder much that in so great a scarcity of Gods worke the people doe not learne of thée the way to knowe God Pasquine Feare not for there are so many spiritual scholes both of men and womē albeit they be not séene abroade that euen very shortly thou shalt sée so many true gospellers come abrode that the worlde shal much wonder whence they come Marforius We wil therefore call thée mayster sithe thou hast so many Christian scholes Pasquine The maister of al is christ only whose doctrine this is that I teach But to knitte vp our communication I say vnto thée br●e●●y that Christ is the heade of all the espouse of the Church And the Churche is made of many and dyuers members ioyned together in one to the which by the espouse onely is the waye made vnto the father There is no maner of ambition nor desire of the vain 〈◊〉 things here on earth al giue thē selues wholly to prayse god through Iesus Christ for euer and euer Amen To him is their onely desire that all glory prayse and honour be attributed and giuen none séeketh there for his owne things but for the Bridegrome they séeme al to haue forgotten thys worlde to the which they are deade and lyue onelye to one God and all things there are onely gouerned by Christ who onely prayeth for vs who maketh continuall intercession for vs whose onelye Sacrifice is alwayes before his Father for vs who sendeth daylye hys holye Spirite to bys electe and by it he gouerneth his Church he onely is King and Lorde the beginning and ende the heade of all the Saintes of all godlynesse of all sincerity and of all true Religiō he is the light of the world for he séeth all things none can make him beleue one thing for an other for he is the truth it selfe without him if thou walk thou goest out of the way for he is the way by him doe all things stande and fall for he is the life of all things for his sake only doth the father heare vs for as much as all that we aske for his sake and in his name he graun●●th it vs that which we aske through him we are sure to haue for the father hath promysed for hys sake who can not lye He hath not promised ought to suche as aske in the name of anye other nay he is rather angry with them that thinke that any Saint is more mercifull then Christ or better or more careful ouer vs or more acceptable to the father For if we wil haue an aduocate who is more merciful better or more acceptable to y ● father thā Christ. Marforius I se that al the fault procedeth hereof in that we measure heauenly things according to our owne brayne And therfore doe we thinke that the Virgin Mary is more mercifull than Christ whome we imagine to be some cruell T●raunt and fierce Iudge an error growen of the diuersitie in nature betwéene man and womā bicause we sée that Women are more pitiefull than men But what a diuellish madnesse was that to take away the gouernement from Christ and gyue it to hir as though Christ who is the wisdome of the Father doted or coulde not tell what he had to doe Pasquine It pleaseth me muche Marforius that of a craftie Popishe Lawier thou art become a good and playne Gospeller Marforius I thanke thée for it good Pasquine nay rather Christ who hath by thy meanes delyuered me out of so great Ignoraunce And nowe at this tyme hast thou tolde me manye things more than the other time thou diddest Is there anye thing behinde to be sayde of other matters Pasquine No as touching heauen but if thou haue leysure to heare me I will declare vnto thée the voyage I made into Hell Marforius What and hast thou also gone that voyage Pasquine It is but eyght dayes past since I was there Marforius I woulde leaue all other bu●nesse to heare thée tell of that for I was not aware that thou haddest bene there and I woulde fayne vnderstande the truth of thinges done in those partes Pasquine I will shew thée of hell and of Purgatorie things no lesse maruellous than true and Godlye Marforius Beginne therefore I praye thée heartily for me séemeth eche houre a yere til I heare thée Pasquine Thou knowest that this other tyme that we talked together of the voyage into heauen I tolde thée that the Aungell at his departing promised me that if at any tyme I would make a voyage into hell he woulde beare me companie Marforius I remember it well Pasquine Being therefore desirous to vnstande what possibly might ●e knowne of heauen of the earth and of the bottomelesse places a few dayes fithens gate me vnto the caue that in the beginning I tolde thée of and there without making anye more a doe sayde my prayers and prayed the Aungel that he woulde come he came I then humblye besought him that he woulde kéepe his promise that he made me that is to say to bring me to sée the lower partes He sayde with a good wyll and bad me followe him and so tooke on his way and I after him And we were no soner departed but I knowe not howe euen in a sodaine with more spéede than I can tell thée the tale we came to a maruellous great gate and a way wonderfull large and broade and there the Aungell bid me be of good courage and feare nothing that I shoulde see or heare declaring vnto me that that was Hell gate Marforius I heare thée beginne much otherwise than that I haue sometyme reade of in dyuers Authours thou diddest not first sacrifice shéepe and blacke bullockes thou didst not offer vp a blacke Lambe to the mother of the Furies nor the baraine Cowe to the Lady Proserpina thou soughtest not for the braunche of Golde No thou gauest not thy selfe so much as a little holy water nor markedst thy selfe with the signe of the crosse and couldest thou so sone finde the gate and then thou sayest that it is so great and the way so broade and large where as it séemeth that other say the contrarie I pray thée tell me the verye truth of all things that reporting the same again to other I be not laughed to scorne for my laboure Pasquine If I haue begon farre otherwise than the olde Authours speake of I haue so done to tell
Anthonie of Florence and many other such like who haue deuised not hystories which ought to be the lightes of truth but fables of Lucian not liues of men but lies of Diuels with a barbarous yrkesome style haue intreated therof And he that taketh them not to be true woe be to him he is an Heretique let him go nay rather kyll him And so say I also of those doltishe deuises lately written of saint Katherine and of saint Thomas Aquine at the instance of that Ipocrite the Marques of Vasto Pasquine Thou séest therefore that we must not folishly beleue euery thing I coulde recken vnto thée a number of Gods of the aunciente heathen transfourmed into our Gods with the same errour and falsehode without changing any other thing than the name only and often times without changing the name at al. Beholde the Rotunda which in the olde time was called Pantheon bicause it was the dwelling house of al the Gods nowe haue they made it the dwelling house of all Saintes and in place of Cibele mother of al the Gods haue they set the virgin Marie for heade of al● the Saintes And here harde by thou knowest is the Minerua whiche was in the olde tyme the temple of Minerua and nowe haue they dedicated it to Saint Minerua the Uirgin euen as Pallas Minerua was a Uirgin The Temple whiche in the olde tyme was of Romulus and Remus they haue made nowe the Church of Saint Cosmus and Damian The temple that was of olde time of Castor and Pollux haue they nowe made the Church of Saint Geruays Prothays Those of old tyme that had Lucina to heale their eies these of our time haue Saint Lucie Those of old time had Ceres to be the Goddesse of Corne these of oure time haue Pancras Those of old time had Mars and Pallas to be Gods ouer the warres these of our time haue Saint George and Saint Barbara The Scafaring men in the olde time sawe Castor and Pollux in the ende of a tempest these of our time sée Saint Eremus Among those of olde tyme it was not lawfull for the Uirgins of Vesta to marry with these of our time it is not lawf●ll for Nunnes to mary Among those of old time the Church of Diana departed from Zante and together with the builders miraculouslye went into Spaine as a man may reade in Plinie with those of our tyme the Church of our Lady at Loretto came out of Sclauonie and is maruellously come into Italy as is to be read in the lying Legendes of these pickpurse priestes deuising Those of old time washed selues with fayre cleare water to clense them selues frō sinnes these of our tyme fillip with their finger a little holy water on their forehead They of old time had Iuno Feronia Iuno Lucina Iuno Saturnia Iuno Curites these of our time haue our Lady of grace our Lady of the myracles our Lady our Lordes mother our Lady of the people They of olde time filled their Churches with little Tables conteyning the vowes they made these of our time fill their Churches full of little Tables conteyning their vowes Those of old time said that in beanes dwelled the soules of y ● dead these of our tyme giue Beanes for the soules of the deade And euen so he that will go and search pointe by pointe the Popishe Religion eyther shall he find it altogether like to that of the olde Paganes or if there be any difference it differeth but in the names onely So that if wee will worshippe these oure Saintes bycause we will not be accoumpted Heretiques we fall to worshyppyng of Iuno Minerua Mars Hercules Polyphemus Briarius and an infinite nūber of Diuelles vnder the name of Saint Anthony Saint Nichodeme Saint Christian Saint Nafissa Marforius Oh Pasquine thou haste well opened my vnderstanding nowe certainly thou sayest the truth these things are very clere I thought euer till nowe that I had done wel following y ● worshipping of those diuels Pasquine I haue other things without nūbre to say when I shal vtter thē I wil make al y ● world wōder Marforius Oh happy day whē y ● trueth shalbe sene to shine abrode Pasquin Happy therfore is this day for y ● seest how it is sprōg vp how it goeth shewing it selfe abrode to the worlde in despite of the shauen Crownes Marforius Now proceede on a while to the other Quéeres Pasquine I wil so but first I must tell thée a fewe things that here I sawe heard Marforius Tel me them therefore Pasquine I sawe one of these martirs y ● warned the rest of his fellowes that they shuld do nothing against the Heretiques excepte they would beare the paynes therof thēselues that they should take example by him who had felte the vengeaunce of God for that he had accused of heresie suche as he knew not and of suche thinges as he vnderstoode not if there be any they should rather be wonne by admonishing them to leaue it than with fire and tormentes to make them awaye For they be not al Heretiques that be so called but such as iudge contrary to the holy Scripture and that leaue the cōmaundementes of God and follow those of men and defende the same as heauenly commaundements and also preferre them before Gods commaundements these b● Heretiques And heauēly things are the same onely that are contayned in the olde and newe Testament which if they wil not beleue the day of the Lord shall come that shall discouer all things shal make them repent it and their repentaunce shall not then helpe them Marforius Who was that that was so honest Pasquine It was Rochester about whome were two Martyrs the one was Peter Martir of the order of Fryers Bréechers Marforius Thou wouldest say Preachers Pasquine I alwayes misse in dede The other was Thomas of Canterbury eche of them confirmed Rochesters talke Marforius But had Rochester his redde Hat Pasquine He had in dede his heade red and his shoulders but it was with bloude not with a Hatte Marforius And I heard say that the Pope sent him a Hatte Pasquine Yea but when the King of England vnderstoode it he caused his head to be cut of before he shoulde haue to doe with that Romish harlotte whervpon the Papistes for that they thought he dyed for their defence and bycause he had written against the Lutheranes they put him in the number of these holy Martyrs Marforius It is very well And for one selfe cause as farre as I can perceyue both Peter Martyr a Dominicane Frier in Italy and Thomas of Canterbury in England dyed the one for persecuting after their Frierish fashion certaine poore Countrey men as Heretiques betwene Milaine and Como was slayne The other stryuing with the King for certaine iurisdictions was condemned to haue done against the estate Pasquine Thou sayest truth Marforius