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A54085 The people called Quakers cleared by Geo. Keith from the false doctrines charged upon them by G. Keith and his self-contradictions laid open in the ensuing citations out of his books / by John Penington. Penington, John, 1655-1710.; Whitehead, George, 1636?-1723. Postscript. 1696 (1696) Wing P1229; Wing P1230; ESTC R40279 25,467 55

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Faith and Love forasmuch as the outward Coming Sufferings and Death of Christ may have and hath a true and real Influence upon them who know it not expresly For seeing he hath tasted Death for every Man and given his Life a Ransom for all it cannot be but that it should have an influence upon all As many of Adams Posterity suffer disadvantage by his Disobedience who never knew it expresly so why may not many receive an Advantage by Christ the second Adams Obedience even in the outward who never knew it expresly Yea certainly they have for how many THOUSANDS have been saved before Christs coming in the outward who knew it not expresly And many who knew something of it it was but very Darkly and under Vales and Figures Yea the very Disciples did not for a good Time know of his Death and yet they had both Faith and Love in some measure Seeing then that some had Faith and Love ☞ to God and WERE SAVED without the express Knowledge thereof before he came outwardly why not also after his Coming where his Coming outwardly hath not been Preached nor Revealed Yea hath not God a way of saying Infants and the Dumb and Deaf who have not that express Knowledge For now Christ is inwardly come in a Seed of Life and Light in all which is the Word of Reconciliation by which Men may be reconciled with God And indeed we find that this is ONLY the true and effectual way of knowing the Use and Work of his Coming and Sufferings and Death in the outward by turning and having our Minds turned inwards unto himself near and in our Hearts in the Holy Seed to know by an inward Feeling and good Experience his Doings and Sufferings in us by being made conformable thereunto He hath no way to come off here but by playing upon the Word Express and so he doth in his Answer to Samuel Jennings Further Discovery p. 16. where he saith As concerning the indispensible Necessity of Faith in Christ as he dyed for us and rose again as universally necessary to Salvation how and in what Sense I have affirmed I have fully explained in divers of my late Printed Books relating to our late Differences where I have distinguished betwixt the Express or explicite Knowledge and Faith of Christs Death in order to Eternal Salvation and the implicite Knowledge and Faith of it asserting this last but not the first as universally and indispensibly necessary It is truly said by him that the Distinction betwixt Explicite and Implicite is a late Distinction and indeed to serve a turn for in his former Books I find it not though the Word Express be used as where he said even now that many of Adams Posterity suffer disadvantage by his Disobedience who never knew it expresly where it is a Word of Course and of no Force seeing even of them that knew it not at all neither implicitely nor explicitely there have perished But he hath marred his own Distinction and blockt up his own way in acknowledging many of them who knew something of it that it was very Darkly and under Vales and Figures while others who are excepted from them the many thousands he saith were saved before Christs Coming in the outward cannot be truly said to know it either explicitely or implicitely there being no Medium between knowing very Darkly in Vales and Figures implicitely in a very obscure Degree and not knowing at all Yet even these as well as those were saved and he pursues the instance to Infants Deaf and Dumb as well as to the D●●ciples of Jesus who had Faith and Love in some measure even while ignorant of his Death For the Words of Mary Magdalene c. Seemed to them as Idle Tales and they believed them not Luke 24. 10 11. Again what means his saying that the express Knowledge of Christs outward Coming ought to be highly valued in its place if he did not allot an higher place to the Knowledge of the Inward and that he doth so is further manifest from the Concession he makes that Men have been saved without the express Knowledge of the one but not of the other for he avers it to be only the true and effectual way of knowing the Use and Work of his Coming in the outward But not to dwell here I shall now cite him out of his called Light of Truth Triumphing p. 6. in these Words May not the Benefit of Christs taking on him the Form of a Man redound unto many who do not expresly know it they having a true Light within them even as a diseased Person may receive Benefit of a Cure applied to him though he hath not an express Knowledge of all the Names and Ways how from first to last it hath been prepared and even as many have suffered hurt through the Disobedience of the first Man to wit Adam who have not known expresly that ever such a Man was or the manner of his Disobedience So why may not even many receive Benefit through the Obedience of Christ in the outward who have not known expresly his outward Coming and Sufferings Otherwise Adams Disobedience were more Effectual for Mans Destruction than the Obedience of Christ were for his Salvation One Instance more I shall bring out of this Book and then betake my self to another It is p. 17. where he saith Though Prophets and Apostles preached him as in the Form of a Man yet they preached him also and that MORE GENERALLY as a Light to the Gentiles yea and to Jews also If this be true and G. K. believe it his Cavil against us nameless Bull p. 10 11 for not so frequently Preaching Christ without as Christ within is quite out of Doors For if they who lived before and in the age in which it was accomplisht and where that belief was opposed yet more generally preached him as a Light why is he so offended with us for doing so where the outward is so universally received and believed except that he lists to be Contentions Now let us hear what he once termed the necessary Parts of Religion what not and see if he knows how to agree with himself there It is in his Appendix to Immediate Revolation p. 229 230. These Parts necessary to the being of Religion are those without which Religion cannot subsist they belonging to the very Being and Life of it The other Parts are those which belong unto the Intireness or Fulness of it yet so as true Religion may be without the express Knowledge and Belief of them And according to this I say The Knowledge and Belief of the History of Christ his outward Coming Birth Life Death Burial Resurrection c. Are such Parts of our Religion and Faith as serves to make up the Intiredness or Fulness of it That the historical Knowledge and Faith is not an essential part of true Religion is manifest because as some not having true Religion may have the historical Knowledge and
he answers by denying the second Proposition For if they did cleave unto said he then and Believe in the Light they Believed in Christ for he is the Light nor is the outward name that which saveth but the inward Nature Virtue and Power signified thereby which was made manifest in them and thus is Christ even that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that which may or must be known of God p. 30. But this he will not allow to us now The Gentiles were not so cast off but that as to what was the main and principal thing to wit the word of Faith the Gentiles did share with the Jews and that whoever among the Gentiles did Believe and Call upon the Name of the Lord were saved no less than the Jews p. 34. This was the priviledge of the Gentiles no less than of the Jews to have this word so near unto them as to be in the Mouth and in the Heart That these Gentiles who did call upon ☞ the Name of the Lord and were saved were not under any outward Administration of the Gospel is most evident from the objection framed by the Apostle v. 14 15. and his answer thereunto p. 35. Compare with Truth Advanced p. 70. cited above The hearing that Faith comes by he tells us p. 36. is the hearing by the word even that Word that was in their Mouth and Heart And a little lower as a Comment upon those Words They have not all obeyed he bids us mark the Apostle doth not say They have not all obeyed the law of Nature or the Light of Nature but they have not all Obeyed the Gospel so that the very Gospel adds he hath been Preached unto all otherwise they should never have been charged with not having Obeyed it But I put him to prove that the History of Christ his Conception Birth Crucifixion Resurrection and Ascension hath ever been Preached to all either Explicitely or Implicitely seeing he saith the very Gospel hath been And Secondly That whether where the very Gospel hath been received or that which he here calls the very Gospel the Holy Ghost hath not been given The Gentiles were not so cast off of God but that they had the same Mercy as had the Jews in relation unto the Chief and Substantial thing They the Scriptures point unto some Manifestation of him in and among the Gentiles in all Ages sufficient unto Salvation p 56. Kiss the Son lest he be angry Now that they are bid to Kiss the Son doth plainly import that the Son was held forth and given unto them of the Father in ' true Love that they might Kiss him i. e. that they might enjoy him which doth again infer that there was such a Manifestation of the Son let forth unto them which was sufficient into Salvation else How could they be required to Kiss him if he were not offered and made manifest unto them And how could he be offered unto the Gentiles to Kiss him if it were impossible for them so to do p. 57. if G. K. will not believe himself who doth he think will believe him But to proceed Christ in Scripture is called the Salvation of God which was in some measure made known or manifest in them though not as to the OUTWARD NAME yet the Power Light and Life p. 58. What though they knew not the outward Name if they knew the Nature the Spirit the Life which slays Sin and cures the Soul It is not the meer outward Name that saves but the Life the Power of Christ that Quickens Cleanses Purifies and by this they might be saved For it is the Life that saveth Rom. 5. 10. p. 115. How often hath G. K. of late been uneasie under this Doctrine as if it Depreti●ted what our Lord did and suffered in the outward And in his Further Discovery p. 10. he calls a Friend Bold Ignorant Soul for Preaching That the Blood which cleanseth from all Sin ●as the Life and the Life is the Light calling a perverse Exposition And the Reason seems to be because the Friend said it Had G. K. said it it mought have past for Authentick or he hath said the same That the knowledge of him Christ at in the outward is of necessity unto Salvation we grant not save ONLY where it is Revealed and there it is very useful and comfortable p. 117. Compare with the Quotation out of Further Discovery page 16. above From our common Adversaries allowing that Children may be saved G. K. infers Why may not also some Men who are as it were but Children and Infants even Babes in Christ as to Spiritual Knowledge he saved without that clear distinct Knowledge of his outward coming being born of his Spirit c. p. 117. This he speaks of the Gentiles as will be obvious to any that consult the Book for it immediately follows the Quotation above That which I observe is this That here he allows them to be Babes in Christ Born of the Spirit but in his Truth Advanced p. 70. Cornelius is denied to have had the Holy Ghost in his Gentile State Are Babes in Christ who are Born of the Spirit without the Spirit Or is not their Food Spiritual to wit the sincere Milk of the Word But this Man must be made manifest To that end hear him again He Christ left not the other Nations destitute of the MAIN and PRINCIPAL thing even the manifestation of the Light c. which would have given them the Knowledge of God and of all his Laws and Statutes NEEDFULL to be known by them had they improved the same aright And seeing it hath been so in times past why may it not be so now p. 120. Let G. K. answer his own Question if he can Though the outward Teachings which proceed from the Light are truly profitable yet are they not of such absolute necessity as if God and Christ could not be known where the outward occasions of hearing are wanting p. 121. Thus G. Keith one while asserting that Faith in Christ as he Died Rose again Ascended c. is indispensably necessary to all another while that Men have been saved without it which upon what hath been premised I leave with the Reader whether it hath not been sufficiently proved upon him puts me in mind of an Observation a Friend made viz. That he knew not what could palliate it but the strange Notion of the Revolution of Humane Souls which makes it more than probable that they shall have opportunity one time or other before the end of the world of Hearing this Faith and Doctrine Preached and may receive it though now they Die without it But this point adds he must be tenderly touched now because few are ripe for it yet how far he G. K. hath countenanced it is known to many See State of the Case p. 12. Yet I remember also how stoutly G. K. confuted him by telling him he was extreamly Ignorant had neither the true Faith nor a true Notion