he confesseth to be that one God whom we formerly shewed to be the onely God by nature Again the Apostle by saying that all things are by him sheweth that he is not God by nature Since as we formerly demonstrated this particle by doth not designe the first but the second cause which cannot be affirmed of him that is God by nature And though the scripture somtimes saith of the Father that all things are by him yet is this otherwise understood of him then of Christ For this is spoken of the father because all the middle causes whereby something is done are derived from him and are not such as that God cannot work without them but it is said of Christ that some other namely God who must of necessity therefore be the first cause doth work all things Eph. 3. 9. It is expresly said I need not commemorate that the word all is here to be restrained unto the subject matter as the very article set before it in the Greek sufficienly sheweth Much more these two words us and Father which plainly demonstrate that Paul speaketh onely of all the things that pertain to Christians whence it followeth that Christ is not called that one Lord simply and absolutely but for a certain respect as being he by whom all the things pertaining to Christians are administred As for the second testimony since it is there treated of him that was crucified it is clear that the divine nature cannot thence be concluded since no such thing can be affirmed of the divine nature but only of a man who is therefore called the Lord of glory that is according to the Hebrew Phrase the glorious Lord because he was by God crowned with glory and honour In the third testimony since it is spoken of him who is a lamb clothed with garments whom the same John most openly testifieth to have been slain and to have redeemed us with his blood which thing can by no means be referred to the divine nature it is apparent that the divine nature of Christ cannot thence be asserted but all the things that are in these testimonies ascribed to Christ argue his singular authority given to him by God in relation to the things of the new covenant Question What testimonies of Scripture may be alleadged for believing in Christ and giving divine honour to him Answer John 14. 1. Christ himself saith Yee believe in God believe also in me And John 3. verses 14 15. As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wildernesse so must the Son of man be lifted up that whosoever believeth on him may not perish but have eternall life And John 5. vers 22. 23. The Father judgeth no man but hath given all the judgement to the son that all should honour the son as they honour the Father and Philippians 2. vers 9 10 11. wherefore God hath exceedingly exalted and given him a name above every name that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow of heavenly earthly and infernall things and every tongue should confesse that Jesus is Lord to the glory of God the Father and in sundry other places Question What say you to these testimonies Answer As to the first it is so far from proving that Christ is God by nature that it clearly sheweth him to be a far different one For it openly putteth a difference between Christ and that one God of whom that is here treated the Article added in the Greek doth intimate Now whereas the adversaries say that faith is not to be placed but in God himself this solved by Christ in another place whilest he saith he that believeth on me believeth not on me but on him that sent me whence it is evident that Christ arrogateth not that faith to himself which we ow to God onely for that faith is due to God onely which is terminated in him and which hath respect to him as the prime author of all things but it is clear that such faith is not attributed to Christ for we therefore believe on Christ because he hath obtained of God a power to make us eternally happy and is appointed unto that office whereby it cometh to passe that our faith on Christ is through him directed to God himself as the ultimate end which is attested by Peter saying through him Christ you believe in God that raised him up from the dead and gave him glory so that your faith and hope is on God 1 Epist 1. 21. Question But they alledge out of Jeremy that he is cursed who trusteth in man Ier. 17. 5. An. It is not said absolutely that he is cursed who trusteth in man but he who so trusteth in him as that he maketh flesh his arm that is fasteneth his whole hope in meer humane forces without the assistance of divine power for that is understood by the word flesh to which these words are further added and his heart departeth from the Lord. But we who place our confidence on Christ do not make flesh our arm nor in our heart depart from God yea in trusting on Christ we trust on God himself and so our heart cometh unto God and not departeth from him Q. What say you to the other testimonies which speak of Christs divine honour Forasmuch as all the places that testifie concerning Christs divine honour do also testifie that this honour was given to him at a certain time and for a certain cause it is plain that the divine nature of Christ cannot thence be collected Now whereas the adversaries object that of Isaiah chap. 42. 8. I will not give me glory to another I answer that it is apparent enough what he meaneth by another for he presently addeth nor my praise to graven images In this place therefore God speaketh of them who have no communion with him and to whom if any glory and honour be ascribed it redoundeth not to him But he saith not that he will not communicate his glory with such an one as is dependent of him subordinate to him for by this means no diminution of his glory is made since the whole is referred to him for since the Lord Jesus dependeth of him and is subordinate to him whatsoever honour is given to Jesus redoundeth wholly to God himself Q. I have been in informed touching those places of Scripture which seem directly to respect the son of God I would fain learn those also which are applyed to Christ by a certain accommodation and seem to prove a Divine nature in Christ A. The places are these Isaiah 8. 14. where it is said that he should be a stone of stumbling and rock of offence which Luke chap. 2. 34. and Paul Rom. 9. 32. and Peter 1 Epist. 2. 7. do repeat next Isa 45. 23. where God saith I have sworn by my self that to me every knee shall bow which is applyed to Christ Rom. 14. verse 11. Thirdly Isaiah 41. vers 4. and chapter 44. ver 6. and chapter 48. verse 12. I am the
have you shew that the very Religion it self is divine A. You may already have perceived that from the divine Author thereof neverthelesse it may be also acknowledged from those things whereof this Religion doth consist namely from the Precepts and Promises thereof as also from all the circumstances of the same Religion Q. How is it gathered from the Precepts and Promises that this Religion is divine A. Because both the Precepts comprehend perfect holinesse of life and the Promises perfect happinesse Q. What are the circumstances of this Religion A. The rise progresse efficacy and effects thereof Q. How can you prove by the rise thereof that it is divine A. This may be easily perceived if you consider who they were that first founded this Religion namely mean and contemptible persons and withall that they did it without any worldly power wealth wisdome or authority making use of nothing but preaching and perswasion to draw men to their opinion Q. How prove you the same by the progresse thereof A. Because in a very short space this Religion wonderfully encreased whilest innumerable Nations and persons both learned and unlearned noble and ignoble of either sex renouncing the Religions received by tradition from their Fathers embraced this Religion being neither allured with any commodities of this life nor affrighted with any calamities that usually attend this Religion Q. How prove you the same by the efficacy and effects thereof A. First because it could be suppressed by no counsell nor craft nor force nor power of men next because it took away all the old Religions saving the Jewish which it acknowledged for such a Religion as proceeded from God and was to continue for a certain time Q. Hitherto you have shown how firm and certain the writings of the New Covenant are shew also that those of the Old Covenant are no lesse firm A. The Scripture of the New Covenant testifieth that the writings of the Old are certain and consequently since the witnesses are true and certain as appeareth by what hath been said their testimony likewise must needs be true and certain CHAP. II. Touching the sufficiency of the holy Scriptures Q. THat the sacred Scriptures are firm and certain you have sufficiently proved I would therefore further learn whether they be so sufficient as that in things necessary to eternall life we ought to rest in them only A. They are altogether sufficient for that inasmuch as Faith on the Lord Jesus Christ and obedience to his Commandements which twain are the requisites of eternall life are sufficiently delivered and explained in the Scripture of the very New Covenant Q. If it be so then what need is there of Traditions which the Church of Rome holdeth to be necessary unto eternall life calling them the unwritten Scripture A. You rightly gather that they are unnecessary to eternall life Q. What then must we think of them A. Not only that they were fancied and invented without just cause and necessity but also to the great hazard of the Christian Faith Q. What may that hazard be A. Because those Traditions give men an occasion of turning aside from divine Truth to falshood and the imaginations of men Q. But they seem to assert those Traditions from the very Scripture A. Those testimonies which they produce out of the Scripture to assert those Traditions do indeed demonstrate that Christ and the Apostles spake and did certain things which are not comprehended in the holy Scriptures but no wayes prove that they were delivered from hand to hand by them to be perpetually so conserved or that those things which are consigned in the holy Scriptures are not sufficient to Religion and salvation CHAP. III. Touching the clearnesse of the holy Scriptures Q. YOu have already shown that the sacred Scriptures are both certain and sufficient I would entreat you also to shew that they are clear to all and easie A. Although some difficulties occur in them yet are the holy Scriptures especially that of the New Covenant easie and cleare in those things that are necessary to salvation Q. How will you demonstrate that A. First inasmuch as God would have the holy Scriptures to that end and purpose delivered to men that they might thereby come to the knowledge of his will it is altogether incredible that he would have such writings delivered from whence his will could not be perceived and known by all Next because in the very beginning of the Christian Religion the Apostles directed their Epistles wherein the chief mysteries of the Christian Religion are contained to plain and simple men Q. Whence arise so many dissentions in drawing out the sense of the Scriptures A. Because men either negligently read the Scriptures or bring not a sincere heart discharged from all incumbrances and lusts or do not with such care and carnestnesse as is requisite implore the divine assistance I mean the gift of the holy Spirit which God hath promised to those that call upon him night and day Q. If so what use is there of teachers A. That men may by them be stirred up to maintain and practise those things that they understand and be assisted in understanding the more difficult ones Of the way of Salvation CHAP. I. Touching the causes of discovering the way of Salvation Q. AS to the holy Scriptures I acknowledge my self to have received satisfaction from you but forasmuch as in the beginning you said that this way which leadeth to immortality was discovered by God I would fain know for what reason you said so A. Because as man by nature hath nothing common with immortality so could he not by himself possibly know the way leading thereunto Q. Why hath man nothing common with immortality A. Because he was at first formed of the earth and therefore created mortall Again because he transgressed the commandements of God proposed to him and so by the decree of God himself expressed in the commandement was necessarily subjected to eternall death Q. But how agreeth this with those places of the Scripture wherein it is written that man was created after the image of God Gen. 1. 26 27. that death by sin entred into the world RoÌ„ 5. 12. A. As for the testimony which pronounceth man to have been created after the image of God we must know that by the image of God immortality is not signified which appeareth from hence that the Scripture at what time man had been subjected to eternall death acknowledgeth the image of God in him Gen. 9. 6. He that sheddeth mans bloud by man shall his bloud be shed for after the image of God made he man Jam. 3. 9. With the tongue we blesse the God and Father and with the same we curse men who were made after the image of God but mans power and soveraignty over all the creatures made by God upoâ— the earth as the same place wherein it is treaâ—â—â— oâ—â—is very image Gen. 1. 26. doth cleerly intimate Let us make man
whose house is by the sea-side he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do 2 Epist of John v. 7. Many deceivers are entred into the world who confesse not Iesus coming in flesh to be Christ. This is the deceiver and the Antichrist From which places it appeareth that the relative hath not respect to the neerest antecedent but to that which is more remote Wherefore the meaning of those words of Iohn This is the true God and eternall life is thus This whereof I have last spoken is the true God namely he that hath for his Son Jesus Christ and it is also eternall life namely to know the true God and to be in him by his Son Jesus Christ With this accordeth that passage of Christ himself Iohn 7. 3. This is Life eternall that they know thee Father the only true God and whom thou hast sent Iesus Christ Q. What say you to the fourth A. The words of Iude v. 4. run thus denying the only Master God and our Lord Jesus Christ Form which place because there is but one article prefixed in the Greek they conclude that both descriptions ought to be referred to one petson and consequently to Christ But this observation taken from the unity of the article prefixed to severall words is not perpetuall as appeareth by the inspection of these places in the Greek Mat. 16. 1. Luke 19. 45. Act. 15 41. 1 Thes 1. 8. Heb. 9. 19. Eph. 2. 20. Eph. 3. 5. Wherefore we must have our chiefe recourse to the nature of the thing it self Q. What say you to the fifth A. The fifth testimony is that of Paul Tit. 2. 13. Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Iesus Christ In which words that the Epithete of great God is referred unto Christ the adversaries endeavour to evince with two reasons the first is taken from the unity of the articles prefixed in the Greek the other from our expectance not of the Father but of the Son The first of which reasons was solved a little before To the second I answer that Paul in the Greek doth not say the glorious appearing of the great God but the appearing of the glory of the great God Now it is certain that Christ shall come to judge the world not only in his own glory but also in the glory of his Father Luke 9. 26. Mat. 16. 27. Again what inconvenience is it to say that when Christ cometh to judge the world God doth come since Christ in judging the world sustaineth the person of God from whom he hath received his authority of executing judgement Q. What say you to the sixth A. The sixth testimony is this Rev. 4. 8. Holy holy holy is the Lord God Almighty who was and is and is to come This passage is therefore by the adversaries referred to Christ because they suppose that none is to come but Christ for he is to come to judge the quick and dead But we must know that that word which is here rendred to come may as well be rendred to be as Iohn 16. 13. Where Christ saith of the Holy Spirit whom he promised to the Apostles that he should tell them things to come that is to be And Act. 18. 21. We read of a feast to come that is to be Again who perceiveth not that when it hath been first said who was and is and it is immediately added and is to come that to come is all one with to be that the speech may in every part be understood of existence and not in the two first clauses of existence in the last of coming Neither is there any one that may not easily observe that the eternity of God is here described which comprehendeth the time past present and future But that which detecteth this grosse mistake is Rev. 1. 4 5. where we read Grace and peace be to you from him that was and is and is to come and from the seven Spirits that are before his Throne and from Jesus Christ the faithfull and true witnesse From which testimony it appeareth that Jesus Christ is quite another then He that is and was and is to come Q. What say you to the seventh A. The seventh runneth thus Take heed to your selves and to the whole flock over which the Holy Spirit hath made you Bishops to rule the Church of God which he hath purchased with his own bloud Act. 20. 28. Whereunto I answer that the name God is not here referred to Christ but to God the Father who is from the beginning of the speech perpetually understood by the name of God and whose bloud the Apostle calleth that bloud which Christ did shed in such a way of speaking and for such 〈◊〉 cause as the Prophet saith That he which toucheth the people of God toucheth the apple of Gods Eye For the exceeding great conjunction that is between God the Father and Christ although they be different in Essence causeth the bloud of Christ to be called the bloud of God the Father especially if it be considered as shed for us For Christ is the Lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world Whence the bloud shed to that purpose is called the bloud of God himself and that deservedly Neither is it to be passed by that in the Syriack Edition it is not read God but Christ Q. What say you to the eighth A. The eighth runs thus Hereby perceive we the love of God because he laid down his life for us 1 John 3. 16. First therefore you must know that in no Greek edition save the Complutensian nor in the Syriack Translation is the word God read But though this word were read in all copies should therefore the word He be referred to God At no hand Not only for the forementioned reason in answer to the third testimony namely that relatives are not alwaies referred to the persons next going before but also because John referreth the word He sundry times in this Epistle to him that was a great while before named as in the 29. verse of the foregoing chapter where he saith If ye know that he is just know that he that doth justice is generated of him Where by him as both the thing it self and the following words shew is meant the Father although in the words next going before mention had been made of Christ only Q. You have given me satisfaction as to the names of Christ I would now therefore have you explain those quotations that have respect to the works of Christ which the Adversaries imagine are ascribed to him by the Scripture A. They are such wherein they imagine the Scripture attributeth unto Christ that he created the heaven and the earth that he conserveth all created things that he brought the people of Israel out of Egypt that he was with them in the wildernesse conducting them and doing good to them that his glory was seen by Isaiah that he was incarnate Q.
not be covetous Q. VVhat is it to be covetous A. To desire more then is necessary for the maintenance of the life both of you and yours Heb. 13. 5. 1 Tim. 6. 8 9 10 11. Q. How is that done A. Whilst men beyond their private and just necessity do either get or lay up Luke 12. 15. c. Q. VVhat is the just necessity pertaining to the maintenance of our life A. Food and raiment and such things without which the present life cannot be conserved Q. To what uses then ought Christians to convert those things that exceed just necessity A. Either to the use of the Divine Glory or to the relief of the Poor especially the Domesticks of the Faith yet with such caution as that they do nothing with an aime to their own private Glory which Christ teacheth in those words Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doth Mat. 6. 3. Q. VVhat measure is to set to food and raiment A. Such as that neither luxury nor bodily pleasure be found in us Q. How may luxury and bodily pleasure be avoided A. When we fit the use of meat and drink to the procurement of health afford such rayment to the body wherein neither luxury nor levity appeareth Q. VVhat do you call luxury in the use of meat and drink A. Gluttony and Drunkenesse whereunto pertaineth Revelling which our Saviour forbiddeth as the writings of the New Covenant plainly shew Luke 21. 34. Rom. 13. 14. Gal. 5. 21. Q. VVhat is the ninth precept A. Thou shalt not bear false witnesse against thy neighbour Q. VVhat pertaineth to this precept A. All lying whatsoever which not onely proceedeth from a minde desirous to deceive but also from levity Besides all sorts of back-biting and detraction and condemning Rev. 21. 8. Ephes 4. 25. 1 Pet. 2. 1. Mat. 7. 1. Luke 6. 37. Q. VVhat is the tenth precept A. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours house nor his wife c. Q. VVhat is it to desire ones neigbbours house A. It is to determine in ones heart to grasp that which is our neighbours though it be by any unjust means Q. VVhat is added to this precept under the New Covenant A. That it is not onely unlawfull to desire that which is our neighbours in that manner but so to set our minds upon it that though we doe not resolve to gain it yet we take some delight in our hearts from the very desire thereof For what is unlawfull for a Christian to do or possesse he must not so much as desire CHAP. II. Of the speciall Precepts delivered apart by Christ Q. YOu have explained to me the Precepts of Christ which are contained in the Commandements of God delivered by Moses and such as are added unto them by Christ it remaineth that you explain those also which Christ hath proposed in particular and by name A. They are twofold for the one hath respect to manners the orher to outward religious acts commonly called ceremonies Q. VVhat are they that have respect to manners A. These the deniall of ones self the bearing of the crosse and imitation of Christ Matt. 16. 24. Q. VVhat is self denyall A. The renouncing of our private wills and evill lusts and worldly and carnall interests Q. VVhat are these Interests A. Such as pertain either to the pleasure of the flesh or riches or pride of life which Iohn comprehendeth in these words love not the world nor the things in the world for whatsoever is in the world the lust of the flesh the lust of the eyes and the pride of life is not of the father but of the world 1 Epist 2. 15. 16. All which Iohn doth not only forbid to be sought with the prejudice of health or injury of others or contumely but if they happen unto the faithfull without these indirect means he would have them to be despised and contemned Q. VVhat is the manner of bearing the crosse A. It is when a man is prepared in mind not onely to undergo all sorts of afflictions but even a most bitter and ignominious death for Christs sake together with a voluntary receiving and suffering thereof when occasion is offered Q. VVhat is the imitation of Christ A. It is the composure of our life according to the rule of his life Q. VVherein doth it consist A. In the exercise of those vertues which the Lord Jesus proposed to us in himself as in a living pattern Q. VVhat are those vertues A. The chief are confidence in God perfect love humility and assiduity in prayer Q. VVhat is confidence in God A. You shall hear of that hereafter Q. VVhat is love A. It hath respect either to God or to our neighbour Q. VVhat is perfect love towards God A. To love him with all the heart with all the Soul with all the strength Q. VVhat is love towards our neighbour A. That is directed either towards a brother or towards an enemie Q. VVherein consisteth perfect charity towards a brother A. That we even lay down our life for him which the Lord Jesus calleth his new commandement Iohn 13. 34. whence it appeareth that a brother is to be loved not onely as our selves but above our selves Q. VVhat is it to lay down our life for a brother A. Not onely to make no spare of other things but to bring our life it self into hazzard that we may save a brother as we see an example thereof proposed by Paul in Priscilla and Aquila and Epaphroditus Rom. 16. 3. 4. Phil. 2. 30. Q. VVherein consisteth love towards an enemy A. As an enemy is of sundry sorts so also is the love towards him For to those that curse us we are bound to wish well to those that hate us to do good for those that afflict and persecute us to pray when they ask we must give to them when they hunger and thirst we must give them meat and drink and when in a true and proper necessity they will borrow of us we are not to reject them Mat. 5. 42. 44. Luke 6. 27 28. Rom. 12. 20. Q. VVhat is humility A. It is the submission of our mind although we be chief persons and the readiness to perform the meanest offices for the least of the faithfull wherof he gave a pattern in himself when he washed his disciples feet Phil. 2. 34. John 13. 4. 5. Q. What is assiduity in Prayers A. It is the most frequent lifting up of our heart to God in every place and commending our necessities to him and not onely ours but the necessities of all the faithfull yea of all men but especially of Kings and all that are in Authority Q. With what things ought those that tray to be furnished A. They ought to confide in God not doubting but that he is able to give what they desire They ought also to ask according to the will of God that is those things which God hath promised They ought finally to fulfill the will of God
Eternall Death But how could Christ by his own example have moved the Faithfull to persist in that singular Piety and innocency without which they cannot be sayed had he not tasted of a bitter death which is easily wont to attend true Piety Or how could he have had a fellow-feeling of the calamities and sufferings of the Faithfull and so become the more ready to help them unlesse himself had tryed how grievous and of themselves intolerable to humane nature they are first of these is hinted by Peter 1 Epist 2. 21. Christ suffered for us leaving us an example that we should follow his steps The latter by the Divine Authour to the Hebrews chap. 2. 18. Christ in that he suffered being tempted is able to succour them that are tempted And chap. 4. 15. He can have a fellow-feeling of our infirmities having been tempted in all things after the same manner without sin Quest Could not God cause that the Faithfull should not be subject to afflictions and violent deaths Answ He could indeed if he would change the nature and condition of things But God is not wont to do this unlesse sometimes and that very seldome and in some speciall cases and for a time but not alwayes and commonly as it would here be very behoovefull had he a mind to exempt the Faithfull from afflictions and violent deaths Quest Why was that altogether necessary Answ Because the Faithfull in Christ are indued with singular Piety and Innocency of life neither is it lawfull for them to avenge themselves on any one The first whereof naturally exposeth them to the hatred of all wicked men which make the greatest part of mankinde whereby it cometh to passe that they grievously afflict the Faithfull and if an occasion be offered inflict death upon them The latter is a greater incitement to the wicked and affordeth them an opportunity to effect and accomplish their cruell designes upon the Faithfull Q. But how did the Bloud or Death of Christ confirm the Divine will to us A. Two wayes first because it ascertained us of the exceeding great love of God towards us so that he is thereby engaged to make good what he hath promised us in the New Covenant whence it is called the Blood of the New Covenant Mat. 26. 28. And the Bloud of sprinkling that is of federation Heb. 9. 19 20. which speaketh better things then that of Abel Heb. 12. 24 25. And Christ himself is called the true and faithfull Witnesse Rev. 1. 5. and chap. 3. 14. Next because being followed with a resurrection to Eternall Life it maketh us sure that we also if we obey the commandments of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be partakers of the same Resurrection Q. Explain more largely in what manner we are by the Resurrection of Christ which was a consequent of his death assured of our own Resurrection A. First because we have a pattern thereof proposed to us in the Resurrection of Christ whereby we are forbidden to doubt that those who out of Piety towards God suffer death shall afterwards be delivered of it again Next because it is now put out of question that Christ hath attained such power as that he can confer upon the Faithfull Eternall Life For the resurrection of Christ following upon his Death was such a one as that he thereby obtained all power in Heaven and Earth Mat. 28. 18. Q. How doth the power of Christ which he hath obtained by the intervening of his death make us more certain then if he wanted that power A. Two wayes first because we now see a beginning of fulfilling the promises of God especially of that wherein he expresly promised that Christ himself should deliver us from death and give unto us Eternall Life Next because we likewise see that the power of fulfilling the promise of God made to us touching Eternall Life is put in his hands who is not ashamed to call us brethren and who tasted all those afflictions whereunto we must be exposed if we will obey God and therefore knoweth how to be pitifull to us and touched with a fellow-feeling of our infirmities as we formerly discoursed of this thing Q. Hence I perceive that in the businesse of our Salvation greater stresse is laid upon the resurrection of Christ then upon his death A. It is altogether so for so the Scripture it self speaketh of this matter see Rom. 5. 10. If when we were enemies we were reconciled unto God by the death of his Son how much more being reconciled shall we be saved by his Life And again Rom. 8. 34. who shall condemn us it is Christ that dyed yea rather that rose again who is also at the right hand of God who also maketh intercession for us And again 1 Cor. 15. 17. If Christ be not risen from the Dead your Faith is vain ye are yet in your sins And again Rom. 4. 25. Christ was delivered for our Sins and rose again for our Justification Q. Why doth the Scripture so frequently elsewhere ascribe these things to the death of Christ A. Because death was the way to Resurrection and exaltation of Christ so that according to the Decree of God he could not without it arrive to his Power and Dignity Again because of all the things that God and Christ did for our Salvation the death of Christ doth chiefly shew unto us and set before our eyes the transcendent love of God and Christ towards us Q. Is there not some other cause of the death of Christ A. None at all although Christians at this day commonly think that Christ by his death merited Salvation for us and fully satisfied for our sins Which opinion is fallacious erroneous and very pernicious Q. How so A. As to the fallaciousnesse and errour thereof the case is clear not only because the Scripture is silent concerning any such thing but also because it is repugnant both to Scripture and reason Q. Demonstrate this in an orderly manner A. That this opinion is not set down in the Scriptures is apparent in that the maintainers thereof do never alledge clear and evident Texts to prove it but knit together I know not what consequences whereby they endeavour to confirm their tenet which consequences as they are to be admitted when they necessarily flow from the Scriptures so ought they to be esteemed of no force when they are repugnant to the Scriptures Q. How are they repugnant to the Scriptures A. In as much as the Scriptures every where testifie that God freely forgiveth sins especially under the New Covenant 2 Cor. 5. 19. Rom. 3. 24 25. Ephes 1. 7. Col. 1. 14. Mat. 18. 23. c. But nothing is more repugnant to free forgivenesse then full satisfaction For that Creditor which is satisfied either by the debtor himself or by some other in his behalf cannot be truly said to have freely out of his meer grace forgiven the debt as at first hearing is apparent to every man Q. How is
first A. The Apostle doth not there speak of a will and endeavour to obey the commandments of God for this would be repugnant to all the Scriptures which inculcate nothing more frequently then an endeavour to live according to the Commandements of God but of such a will and endeavour whereby we prevent God and move him to propose his benefits to us Which that it is so appeareth from the very position of the Apostle which is such Not all who are born of Abraham according to the flesh are truly his sons and such as to whom the promises of Eternall Happinesse made to the seed of Abraham doe belong but only those whom God vouchsafeth that Grace without any regard had to their birth according to the flesh of which sort are they that have believed in God through Christ of what parents soever they are descended and by this means are become the children of Abraham according to the Spirit Whence it followeth that righteousnesse and salvation are not to be fetched from the Law of Moses which was sometimes delivered to the posterity of Abraham and Israel according to the flesh but by the Faith of Jesus Christ which hath since been proposed for ever by the same God to the Spirituall sons of Abraham and Israel And this is the genuine meaning of the place Wherefore as we willingly consent that there is no man who by his willing and running could or can obtain to move God to conferre some benefit upon him so in like manner after God hath offered Grace that a man either cannot accept and embrace the Grace offered or guide his life according to the prescript of the Divine Will we account a pernicious Errour Q. What say you to the second A. This way of drawing likewise doth not take away the liberty of our will for neither is it done in such a manner as that God should offer violence unto men but God by holding forth the excellency and certainty of his promises doth draw men unto his Son Now that this manner of drawing is not made by force or violence first appeareth from what our Saviour sub-joyneth in the same place where he explaineth that way of drawing saying They shall be all taught of God He therefore that hath heard from the Father and learned he commeth unto me John 6. 45. where it is clear that to be drawn by the Father is no other then to hear from the Father and to be taught And how that is done appeareth from the words of Christ a little after expressed Not that any man hath seen the Father but he that was from God he hath seen the Father ver 46. Again it is perspicuous that that way of drawing pertaineth unto all to whom the declaration of the Gospell doth come as may be easily collected from that place where Jesus saith When I am lifted up from the Earth I will draw all men unto me John 12. 32. Q. VVhat say you to the third A. That this passage taketh not away the liberty of the will may hence appear in that here is no mention made of God who ordained those men to Eternall Life but it is onely said simply that they believed as many as were ordained to Eternall Life which may be understood of the men themselves that they were ordained that is fit and set in a posture to embrace the doctrine of Christ and so to lay hold on Eternall Life therein proposed as it is spoken a little before in the same Chapter in a thing contrary to this namely that others judgeth themselves unworthy of Eternall Life Acts 13. 46. And as Christ saith afterwards Act. 18. 10. That he had much people at Corinth for no other cause then that they were apt to become his people Q. VVhat are the testimonies pertaining to certain persons A. Amongst others those wherein it is written that God hardneth the heart of Pharaoh and that Judas who was an Apostle of Christ did betray his Lord that the Scripture might be fulfilled from whence the Adversaries inferre that he was forced thereunto Q. What say you to these places A. I confesse that God doth sometimes so reject certain men from his Grace that they can neither repent nor be amended But those works and actions of God doe no wayes if we speak simply take away Free-will since those examples wherein they appear are singular Which God would therefore have extant because the men when they might did neverthelesse refuse to obey God and therefore God had been for a long time worthy that God should execute his judgments upon them which he when he thought did accordingly execute upon them of which sort was Pharaoh who had long before afflâ—cted the people of God and Judas who had been long before a Thief and covetous person and therefore God made use of them to perpetrate such horrid deeds CHAP. XI Of Justification Q. SInce I understand what Faith is and how far forth in our power now shew what we get by that Faith A. By Faith on Christ we get Justification Q. What is Justification A. It is when God accounteth us for just which he doth then when he doth both forgive our sins and endue us with Eternall Life concerning which Paul openly testifieth whilst he saith that the happinesse of a man consisteth herein that God imputeth righteousnesse to him Rom. 4. 6. And then addeth out of the 32 Psalme that blessed is the man to whom the Lord imputeth not sinne Q. Is none then justified without Faith in Christ A. None at all But this is to be understood of that time since Christ hath been revealed Concerning which those words of Peter also are to be understood That there is no name under Heaven given among men whereby we must be saved but the name of Jesus Act. 4. 12. For as to the time that went before the Revelation of Christ this cannot be affirmed thereof For although all men that ever believed in God shall by Faith be justified as may be openly gathered from Heb. 11. Yet notwithstanding that way of Justification was not comprehended in the Covenant given by Moses but meerly depended of the Grace of God Whereas now the manner of Justification by Faith in Christ is contained in the very New Covenant Whence their Faith did not include Faith in Christ and therefore the Apostle saith that Faith came by the Gospell Gal. 3. 22 23 24 25. So that they were not justified by Faith in the Son of God but by Faith on God himself alone Q. But that place Act. 15. 11. seemeth to oppugne this opinion where the Apostle Peter saith that we hope to be saved by the Grace of the Lord Jesus as well as they that is the Fathers A. In this place the word they is not referred to the Fathers immediately before mentioned for neither is it here treated of them but to the Gentiles of whom it is here purposely discoursed who are sundry times in the same speech opposed to
held concerning any private offence whether against God or against others for so equity it self perswadeth and Christian Love altogether requireth Q. How are they publickly to be Corrected A. By words or deeds Q. How by words A. In such a manner as that they be publickly reproved by all in the Church of Christ of which thing Paul speaketh 1 Tim. 5. 20. and 2 Cor. 2. 6. Q. How by deeds A. When we either avoid their company or refuse to eat with them although we do not yet count him for an enemy but admonish him as a brother or when we cast him out of the Church of Christ and no longer acknowledge him for a brother Q. Where is it written concerning this matter A. Touching the first manner 1 Cor. 5. 11. 2 Thes 3. 6 10. Touching the latter 1 Cor. 5. 14 15. and Mat. 18. 17. Q. Why is such correction observed in the Church of Christ A. That the transgressour may be healed and reduced into the way and others may be stricken with fear and kept untainted and that scandall may be removed out of the Church of Christ and the Word of God not evill spoken of and finally neither his Name nor Glory be profaned Q. What danger is imminent over such men A. Even this that being cast out of the Church and consequently out of the Kingdom of Christ there remaineth nothing for them nothing but destruction since this Excommunication is no other then that binding whereof Christ speaketh Mat. 18. 18. Verily Verily I say unto you whatsoever ye shall bind upon earth shall be bound also in the Heavens and whatsoever ye shall loose upon earth shall be loosed also in the Heavens Q. What is the power of binding and loosing which the Church hath A. It is the declaring and denouncing according to the Word of God who is unworthy to be of the Church of Christ Q. VVhat is that manner of keeping order in the Church of Christ which chiefly concerneth them that govern A. They are bound not onely to observe those Offices which appertain to others more diligently then all the rest but also continually to excite others to the discharge of them respectively to oversee the Church to observe the carriage of every one to be instant in season and out of season to reprove rebuke with all long-suffering and doctrine as you have it 2 Tim. 4. 2. yet must these things be done with such caution as the Apostle sheweth fit to be used namely that they do not chide an Elder but admonish him as a Father a junior as a brother the elder women as mothers the younger as sisters with all chastity 1 Tim. 5 1 2. CHAP. IV. Of the Invisible Church of Christ Q. WHat is the Invisible Church A. Such as put their confidence in Christ and obey him and therefore are his Body Q. VVhy call you that society of men Invisible A. because It is not exposed to the sight of men who are not able to penetrate into the hearts and tell who sincerely believe or not But with the heart it is believed to righteousnesse Rom. 10. 10. and by Faith men are ingrafted into the Olive of the Church and made members of Christ Rom. 11. 19 20. Q. Can it not by outward actions be known who is a member of the Church A. By the outward actions may easily be known who is not a member of the Church of Christ for the Apostle saith that the works of the flesh are manifest Gal. 5. 19. and such men walk in the works of the flesh But it can hardly be known by the outward actions where true Faith is for outward actions proceeding from a corrupt heart may carry the same appearance with those that flow from a heart which is sincere In short he that is evill-minded may put on the outward garb of a good man but it is otherwise in a good man who never laboureth to put on the garb of an evill man Q. I now understand all the things that pertain to the knowledge of God and Christ declare further if any thing else pertaineth to the knowledge of this saving way A. I have already abundantly opened every thing to you It will be your part having well understood and considered them to imprint them in your mind and institute your life according to the prescript of them And the Lord God give you his assistance thereunto to whom in as much as he hath been pleased graciously to help us in bringing this Conference to an end be praise and glory through Jesus Christ for ever and ever Amen FINIS
one we must needs be distracted in mind not knowing who hath prescribed that way to us And therefore the Scripture frequently admonisheth us of this thing as you may see in Moses Deut. 6. 4. which passage is cited by Christ himself Mark 12. 29. Hearken Israel thy Lord the God is one Lord. And again in Moses Deut. 32. 39. See that I alone am He and there is no God besides me Esay 44. 6. 8. Esay 45. 5. 14. 21. Esay 46. 9. 1 Cor. 8. 4 5 6. Gal. 3. 20. Eph. 4. 6. 1 Tim. 2. 5. Q. How the third A. Unlesse we believe God to be eternall how can we hope for eternall life from him and so attain the end to which this way doth lead Q. How the fourth A. To believe that God is perfectly just is necessary unto Salvation first that we may perswade our selves that God will make good his Promises to us though we be unworthy Next that we may acknowledge all those trialls to be just which being entred into this way we must of necessity undergo in that they are permitted by God Q. How the fifth A. This is therefore necessary to be known to the end we might not doubt that even our very heart then which nothing is harder to be searched out and from which the chiefest estimate of our obedience is taken lieth alwaies open unto God Q. How the sixth A. Because we could not expect eternall life from the hands of God as the prime Author were we not perswaded that his power is circumscribed with no bounds and limits Againe who would endure so many adversities as are incident to all those that make profession of the Christian Religion were not this perswasion deeply fastned in his heart that all things are in the hands of God and afflictions happen not without his will neither is any thing either in heaven or on earth able to hinder his divine power from accomplishing what he hath promised and we expect from him Q. You have unfolded what things are necessary to be known touching the Essence of God and therefore I pray you now discover what things are very conducible thereunto A. It is very conducible hereunto to know that in the essence of God there is but one Person Q. Demonstrate this I pray you A. Inasmuch as the Essence of God is but one in number there cannot be so many persons therein since a person is nothing but an individuall intelligent Essence Q. Who is this one divine Person A. That one God the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ Q. How prove you that A. By the most evident testimonies of the Scripture thus Christ himself Iohn 17. 3. saith This is life eternall that they may know thee Father the onely true God And the Apostle Paul 1 Corinth 8. 6. saith To us there is but one God the Father of whom are all the things we for him And Ephes 4. 6. There is one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in you all Q. But Christians commonly hold that not onely the Father but also the Son and the Holy Spirit are persons in one and the same Deitie A. I know it well but they are grievously mistaken producing arguments for it out of the Scriptures ill understood Q. What are their arguments wherewith they endeavour to prove their opinion A. The chief are these First they say that the Scripture calleth not only the Father but also the Son and the Holy Spirit God And forasmuch as the same Scripture affirmeth that there is but one God hence they gather that these Three are that one God Q. How must this Argument be solved A. I will first make answer concerning the Son and then concerning the Holy Spirit Q. What answer will you make concerning the Son A. The word GOD is two wayes chiefly used in the Scripture The first is when it denoteth him who both in the heavens and on the earth doth so rule and exercise dominion over all that he acknowledgeth no superior and is so the Author and Principall of all things as that he dependeth on none The other is when it designeth him who hath some sublime dominion from that one God and so is in some sort partaker of his Deïty Hence is it that the Scripture calleth that one God the God of Gods or most high God Psal 50. 1. Heb. 7. 1. And in the latter signification the Son of God is in certain places of the Scripture dignified with the title of a God Q. How prove you that the Son of God is in this latter signification dignified with the title of a God A. From the very words of the Son himself John 10. 35. If he call them Gods to whom the Word of God came and the Scripture cannot be broken say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world Thou blasphemest because I said I am the Son of God By this speech Christ doth clearly intimate both that the word GOD is somtime attributed unto them in the Scripture who are far inferiour to that one God as also that he called himself the Son of God and consequently a God for no greater reason then because he had been sanctified by the Father and sent into the world Q. But what answer give you concerning the Holy Spirit A. The Holy Spirit is no where in the Scripture expresly called God and though in some places the things of God are attributed to him yet doth it not thereupon follow that he is either God or a person of the Deity since this happeneth for another cause as you shall hear in in its place Q. VVhat is the second argument wherewith they go about to prove the three Persons in one Deity A. It is taken from those places wherein mention is made of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit Q. VVhich are those places A. The first is that where Jesus commandeth his Aposties to make all Nations Disciples baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit Mat. 28. 19. The second is that where the Apostle writeth in this manner There are diversities of Gifts but the same Spirit And diversities of Ministeries but the same Lord. And diversities of Operations but the same God that operateth all the things in all 1 Cor. 12. 4 5 6. And afterwards in the eleventh verse of the same chapter he saith But all these things operateth one and the same Spirit distributing to every one as he will The third is in John 1 Epist 5. 7. There are three that hear witnesse in heaven the Father the Word and the Holy Spirit and these three are one Q. What are we to think of these Quotations A. In generall I answer that these Quotations onely shew that there is a Father Sonne and Holy Spirit which we not only acknowledge but constantly assert so that we pronounce him to be no Christian who is either ignorant thereof or doth not
especially by remitting the injuries done unto them by others and so lift up pure hands without wrath and doubting To which purpose fasting is of great avail yet so that men impose it upon themselves without any mark of hypocrisie Q. What is fasting A. Abstinence from meat and drink for a certain space as may be observed from sundry examples in Scripture Q. Is it not fasting where men abstein from certain sorts of meat A. You may perceive by the definition of fasting which we have given that to abstain from a certain sort of meats is not fasting but rather a choise of meats which the Apostle reproveth and reckoneth amongst the doctrines of Devils 1 Tim. 4. 3. Q. Ought those that fast to be tyed unto certain dayes A. At no hand for the same is contrary both to the property and liberty of the Christian Religion which is spirituall and not at all tyed to times Neither is fasting acceptable to God unlesse the glory of God and the Salvation of our selves or others or some pressing necessities draw it from us Wherefore the whole time alotted unto fasting is to be spent upon Christian exercises as reading and explaining the Word of God ardent Prayers and pious Conferences CHAP. III. Of the Lords Supper Q. WHat are Christs Ceremoniall Precepts as they call them A. There is but one namely the Lords Supper Q. VVhat is the Lords Supper A. It is an Institution of the Lord that the Faithfull should break and eat the Bread and drink of the Cup to declare the death of the Lord which Institution is to continue till the Lords coming Q. VVhat is it to declare the Lords death A. It is in a solemn and publick manner to give thanks that he out of his unspeakable love would suffer his body to be tortured and in a manner broken and his Bloud to be shed for us and so to extoll and celebrate this great benefit Q. VVhy would the Lord have the memory of this thing above all others to be celebrated in his Church A. Because of all the actions of Christ it is the chiefest and most proper to him for though the Resurrection and Exaltation of Christ be far greater yet they were performed by God the Father and not by Christ himself Q. Is there not another reason for which the Lord instituted the Supper A. None at all although men have devised many some saying that it is a sacrifice for the quick and dead others that by the use thereof they gain the remission of their Sins and hope to confirm their Faith and bring to their remembrance the Lords death Q. VVhat are we to hold concerning these opinions A. That none of them can stand for since that is the end of celebrating the Lords Supper that we should give thanks to Christ for benefits received it is apparent that it was not therefore instituted that we should there receive something yea he that will worthily partake of the Lords Supper he ought to be assured of the remission of sins on the part of God and confirmed in the faith and so affected that the death of Christ never slip out of his mind Q. VVhat are we to think of that opinion which saith that the Supper is a sacrifice for the quick and dead A. That it is a most grievous error for the Scripture testifieth that the offering of Christ was performed in heaven and could not be performed on the earth Besides since Christ himself is both Priest and sacrifice it followeth that none can offer Christ but Christ himself Finally since the Sacrifice of of Christ is altogether perfect since it is one whereby he hath for ever perfected them that are sanctified there is no need that it should be repealed otherwise it would not be perfect and absolute Heb. 8. 1. 2 3. 4. Heb. 9. 24. Heb. 7. 27. Heb. 10. 14. Q. VVhat is the meaning of those words this is my body A. They are not taken by all in one and the same manner for some think that the bread is truly turned into the body of Christ and the wine into his blood which turning they call Transubstantiation others think that the Lords body is with in and under the bread Finally there are some who in the Lords Supper think they are truly partakers of the Body and Blood of the Lord but spiritually All which Opinions are fallacious and erroneous Q. How will you demonstrate that A. Because in these words This is my Body the particle This may be referred to the whole action of breaking and taking the Bread and pouring out the Wine Wherefore it is not necessarily referred to the Bread and Wine only by the Adversaries neither can their captious opinions be hence framed and contrived Besides as to the Transubstantiation it self as they call it since the Scripture doth in the very use give the name of Bread to that Berad we take as appeareth from the words of Paul 1 Cor. 10. 16. and chap. 11. 26 27 28. It is evident that Bread remaineth there without any transmutation into the Lords Body Furthermore the same Scripture testifieth that the Body of Christ is in the Heavens and must be there contained till the times of the restitution of all things wherefore it cannot any more exist on the Earth In a word if the Bread were turned into the very Body of Christ it would follow that the immortall Body of Christ wherewith all agree that he is now endued is taken in a grosse and carnall manner but this cannot be that an immortall Body should be so taken and consequently neither can the Bread be turned into Christs Body As to the second Opinion that as it cannot consist for the former reasons especially this that the Body of Christ is now in the Heavens so neither can it for his grand inconvenience namely that this Opinion doth devest the Body of Christ of its properties Lastly as to the third Opinion that cannot have place since it is absutd that one should be really partaker of Christs body and also spiritually And they themselves sufficiently bewray the uncertainty of their own opinion whilst they confesse that this manner of receiving the Body of Christ is altogether inexplicable or at least that they are utterly ignorant how it is done Q. VVhat is to be held touching the use of the Body and Bloud of Christ John 6. A. Christ doth not in that place treat of the Supper for there he doth without any condition ascribe Eternall Life to him that shall eat his Flesh and drink his Blood and on the contrary taketh Eternall Life away from him that shall not eat his Flesh and drink his Blood Which that it is not spoken of the Lords Supper is evident from hence in that a man may partake of the Lords Supper and yet perish And on the contrary may be saved although he partake not thereof But Christ there speaketh concerning the cause of Faith on him which is the continuall meditation
the New Covenant by the word Spirit is sometimes designed the very Gospell of Jesus Christ partly because the things contained therein are such as were revealed by God himself and could not have been discovered by the wit of man partly because it respecteth the spirit of man and maketh us spirituall which the Law could not do Hence the Apostle Paul saith Rom. 7. 6. But now we are freed from the Law that being dead wherein we were held so that we serve in newnesse of the Spirit and not in oldnesse of the Letter And Rom. 8. 2. The Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus hath freed me from the Law of Sin and Death And ver 9. If any man have not the Spirit of Christ he is none of his And 2 Cor. 3. 6. the same Apostle calleth himself not a Minister of the Letter that is the Law but of the Spirit or New Covenant Secondly by the word Spirit is understood such a Gift of God as is by the Scripture called an Earnest or pledge of our Inheritance 2 Cor. 1. 22. chap. 5. 5. Ephes 1. 14. So that we thereby conceive a firm and certain hope of the Eternall life that is promised to us have a kind of taste and feeling thereof in our hearts Q. Do we not perceive a hope of Eternall Life by the very preaching of the Gospell A. Yes in some measure for from the preaching of the Gospell a hope of Eternall life therein promised may be acquired otherwise why should that Life be there promised But to fasten and rivet in our minds a firm and certain hope thereof by vertue whereof we may continue invincible in all temptations it seemeth requisite that that promise outwardly proposed by the preaching of the Gospell should be inwardly sealed in our hearts by God Quest Doth this inward sealing happen unto all to whom the outward preaching of the Gospell cometh Answ At no hand but onely unto them who believe the Gospell preached to them and so rightly use that outward means imployed by God in confirming the promise of Eternall Life For if that Gift of the holy Spirit which continued but for a time was given only to those that believed the Gospell much more are we to hold that that Gift of the holy Spirit which is perpetuall is not imparted to others but them who have sincerely believed the Gospell and from their hearts embraced it Q. Is there not need of the inward Gift of the holy Spirit to believe the Gospel A. By no means for neither do we read in the holy Scriptures that that Gift is conferred on any one but him that believeth the Gospel See John 7. 38 39. Act. 8. 21 13 14 15 16 17. Acts 15. 7 8. Act. 19. 1 2 6. Gal. 3. 14. Ephes 1. 13. Q. Since you have declared to me what the Gift of the holy Spirit is I desire you also to declare whether the holy Spirit be a person of the Godhead A. That the holy Spirit is not a person of the God-head is evident from the Scriptures wherein it is affirmed that he is given and sent by God 1 Joh. 3. 21. 22. 23 24. 1 Pet. 1. 12. yea in the name of Christ John 14. 26. That he speaketh not of himself but what he heareth glorifying Christ in that he receiveth of his and declareth it to his Disciples John 16. 13. 14. that he is the Advocate John 14. 16 17. compared with 1 John 2. 1. where you have the same Greek appellation in both place but in the latter the English Translators themselves render it Advocate That he maketh intercession for the Saints with groans inutterable Rom. 8. 26 All which with sundry other things that might be enumerated cannot possibly agree to him that is a person of the God-head and consequently the most High God CHAP. VII Touching the confirmation of the Divine Will Q. HOw Jesus declared unto us the Divine VVill hath been explained I would now have it also explained how he confirmed the same A. There are three things of Christ that did confirme the Divine Will which he declared first the absolute innocency of his life John 8. 46. 1 John 3. 5. Secondly his great and innumerable Miracles John 15. 24. John 21. 25. Thirdly his death 1 Tim. 2. 6. chap. 6. 13. All these three are united in that noted place of John 1 Epist 5. 8. There are three that bare record on Earth The Spirit the Water and the Bloud For by the Spirit without question the holy Spirit is meant by whose Vertue the Miracles of Christ were wrought Acts. 10. 38. As by Water is understood the Purity of his life and by Bloud his Bloudy death Q. What was the Innocency of Christs Life and how was the will of God confirmed thereby A. The Innocency of his Life was such that he not onely committed no sin neither was guil found in his mouth nor could he be convicted of any crime but he lived so transcendently pure as that none either before or after did equallize him so that he came next to God himself in Holinesse and was therein very like to him Whence it followeth that the Doctrine delivered by him was most true Q. What were his Miracles and how did they confirme the Divine will A. The Miracles were so great as none before him ever did and so many as that had they been set down in particular the world would not contain the Books And these Miracles do therefore make to the confirming of the will of God in that it is not imaginable that God would invest any one with such power as was truly Divine who had not been sent by him CHAP. VIII Of Christs Death Q. VVHat was the Death of Christ and how did it confirm the Wil of God A. Such a death as had all sorts of afflictions ushering it in and was of it self most bitter and ignominious so that the Scripture thereupon testifieth that he was made like to his brethren in all things Heb. 2. 17. Q. Why doth the Scripture witnesse that Christ was buried and that God was not forgetfull of him in the grave A. That it might appear that he was truly dead and yet not left therein so that the faithfull may thereby conceive a hope that though death seise upon them yet shall they not utterly perish Q. But what necessity was there that Christ should suffer so many tbings and undergo so bitter a Death A. Because those that are to be saved by him are for the most part subject to the same afflictions and Death Q. But what reason was there that the Saviour should endure the same afflictions and death with the saved A. There are two reasons thereof as Christ also saveth the Faithfull in a two-fold way for first by his example he moveth them to persist in the way of Salvation that they have entred into Next he standeth by them in every combate of temptations afflictions and troubles and at length delivereth them from
touching the Predestination of God is altogether erroneus and that for two reasons chiefly whereof the one is that it would bring all Religion to ruine the other that it would charge God with many absurd yea horrid things Q. But how would the admission of this opinion bring Religion to ruine A. Because all the things pertaining to Religion and Piety would be in us necessarily and unavoidably and if so to what purpose were it to labour and endeavour that we might be pious For all endeavour and diligence is there superfluous where all things come to passe necessarily as reason it self sheweth But if the endeavour and study of Religion and Piety be taken away Religion and Piety it self must needs be taken away together Q. VVhat absurd and horrid things will be attributed to God if this opinion be admitted A. They are foure in number 1. Justice For it would be manifestly unjust to punish one for not doing what he was unable to do But when God punisheth the impious and disobedient what else doth he then punish them who do not what they are unable to do For if the opinion of the Adversaries be true they by reason of the immutable decree of God cannot possibly become pious and obedient 2. Hypocrisie joyned with deceit For God having excluded already the greatest part of them to whom the Gospel is declared from salvation by his decree doth notwithstanding offer salvation unto all and so doth one thing and maketh shew of another which is the property of Hypocrites and deceivers And which is worse God doth in such a thing wherein another is exceedingly circumvented and hurt 3. Great imprudence for God would seem to take care and endeavour that which he certainly knoweth cannot come to passe But what is more foolish and light then to make a shew as if you earnestly endeavoured to effect that which you know certainly cannot be done and so to expose your self to scorn 4. Pravity in that God would be the author of sin For since it is altogether necessary that sin should go before damnation certainly he that decrees a man shall be of necessity damned decrees also that he shal of necessity sin Q. How do they go about to prove that opinion of theirs concerning Predestination A. By certain testimonies of the scripture wherein this is the chiefest Rom. 8. 28 29 30. And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God to them who are the called according to his purpose For whom he did foreknow he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his son that he might be the first born among many brethren Moreover whom he did predestinate them he also calleth and whom he hath called them he also justifyeth and whom he hath justified them he also glorifieth Q. What answer give you to this testimony A. That you may the better understand that Testimony and the like I must first declare to you what the scripture meaneth by Predestination Election and Vocation or Calling Q. I would fain have you explain that A. The Predestination of God in the scriptures signifieth no other thing then such a decree of his concerning men before the foundation of the world that to those who would believe in him and be obedient to him he would give eternall life and punish them with eternal death and damnation who would refuse to believe in him and be obedient to him which thing is apparent in that Christ the perfect Interpreter of the divine will hath so expounded to us this counsel and decree of God saying that he that believeth on him shall be saved but he that believeth not shall be damned Mark 16. 16. Q. VVhat say you of Election A. Election when the Scripture speaketh of our Salvation hath a double signification for sometimes those that assent to the Gospel preached are said to be Elected of God but sometimes also they who do not onely assent to the Gospel but lead their lives according to the prescript thereof are called elect An example of the first signification you have 1 Cor. 1. 26 27. You see your calling brethren that not many wise men according to the flesh not many Potent not many noble but God hath chosen the foolish things of this world that he might shame the wise and God hath chosen the weak things of the world that he might shame the strong where election and vocation are taken for the same thing An example of the latter you have Matt. 22. 14. where Christ saith That many called but few chosen But you have an example of both in those words of Peter 2 Epist 1. 10 11. Endeavour to making your calling and election sure that is by good works as some coppies have it Q. VVhat say you of Vocation A. Vocation when it is referred to our salvation hath the same signification with Election as appeareth by the quoted places Q. But how do you make answer to the aforesaid testimonies A. This testimony maketh nothing for that Predestination which the Adversaries have devised For they hold a predestination without any regard of good works whereas Paul here speaketh of such a predestination as hath regard to those that love God and demonstrateth that afflictions do not hurt such men but rather help them for good Now he saith of them that they are called according to the purpose to shew that they at length have believed the Gospell according to the purpose of God and are predestinated to salvation who love God But we have before shewn that that is in mans power Q. I would therefore intreat you to expound the place to me A. The plain meaning is this The Apostle sheweth that all afflictions cooperate for good to them who love God and have believed the Gospell of Christ Which he proveth in this manner namely in that they are predestinated to all those things which it behooved the Lord Christ himself to suffer Now as those things could not stop his passage to Eternall Life so neither can it stop theirs Which when the Apostle had demonstrated he describeth certain degrees whereby men attain unto Eternall Life shewing that God doth by the preaching of the Gospell gather them into his Church whom he hath predestinated to be conformable to the image of his son in afflictions and immortality and then justifieth them being freed from all their sinne and finally doth in a more perfect way designe them to Eternall Life and Immortality Q. What are those testimonies whereby they think that Free-will is expresly taken away A. They pertain either to all or to certain persons Quest Which are they that pertain to all A. Amongst others they are these It is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth but of God that sheweth mercy Rom. 9. 16. No man cometh to me unlesse the Father that sent me draw him John 6. 44. They believed as many as were ordained to Eternall Life Act. 13. 48. Q. What say you to the
you demonstrate each of these A. That the sins which could not be expiated under the Old Covenant may be expiated under the New is testified by Paul Acts 13. 38 39. where he saith Be it known unto you brethren that by this man is remission of sins declared to you And from all things wherefrom ye could not be justified by the Law of Moses by Him every one that believeth is justified The same may be seen Rom 3. 25. Heb. 9. 15. Now that sins are in such a manner expiated under the New Covenant as that the eternall penalty of them is taken away and Eternall Life given appeareth from the last place we quoted Heb. 9. 12. Where it is said That Christ by his own Bloud entred once into the Sanctuary having found Eternall Redemption Q. Why is that Sacrifice of Christ performed in the Heavens A. Because it required a Tabernacle suitable both to the Priest and the Sacrifice For since the Priest is immortall and his Sacrifice altogether incorruptible it was necessary that he should enter into an Eternall Tabernacle But in as much as Heaven only is such a Tabernacle being the seat and habitation of God and therefore it was necessary that he should enter into the very Heaven there to discharge his Priestly function as the Author to the Hebrews plainly testifieth Heb. 7. 26. and chap. 8. 1 2 3 4. and chap. 10. 5 6 c. Q. VVhat was he not a Priest till he entred into the Heaven not when he hung upon the Crosse A. At no hand for as you heard even now the Divine Author to the Hebrews chap. 8. 4. expresly saith that if Christ were upon the Earth hee would not be a Priest Besides for as much as the same Author chap. 2. 17. testifieth that Christ ought in all things to be made like unto his Brethren that he might become a mercifull and faithfull High-Priest to God ward it is evident that untill he had been made like unto his brethren in all things that is in afflictions and death he was not out mercifull and faithfull High-Priest Whereby it commeth to passe that his afflictions and death were not his very Sacrifice but a preparation thereunto Quest Why doth the Apostle say that Christ delivered himself a sacrifice and offering to God for a sweet-smelling savour Ephes 5. 2. Answ First you must know that we doe not separate the death of Christ and exclude it from his offering yea we constantly affirme that Christ no otherwise then by his death and the intervening thereof offered himself Onely we assert that his offering was not actually compleated and absolved till being raised from the dead he passed into Heaven For in that yearly sacrifice under the Law which chiefly shadowed out the Sacrifice of Christ for the compleating of the work it was altogether necessary that the bloud of the slain Beast should be brought into the Sanctuary by the High-Priest see Heb. 9. 7. Again it is to be considered that the Apostle in the fore-mentioned place doth not say that Christ offered himself to God for us For this word delivered ought not to be joyned with the word offering but to be read by it self so that the sense is that Christ delivered himself to death For in that significaon the Scripture elsewhere useth the word deliver Furthermore the following words a Sacrifice and offering to God for a sweet-smelling savour are an illustration and commendation of that work of Christ in delivering himself to death whereby the Apostle exhorteth the faithfull to imitate that deed of Christ in loving their neighbour As goods Works are in the like manner of speaking else where commended see Phil. 4. 18. And therefore doing of good and communicating are called Sacrifices wherewith God is well-pleased Heb. 13. as also all good Works which the Faithfull in Christ doe Which good Works of Christians were shadowed forth in the legall Sacrifices Quest VVhat is the meaning of that place Heb. 1. 3. Christ having made a purgation of our sinnes sate down at the right hand of the majesty on high Answ That the manner of expiating and purging our sinnes is since Christ being raised from the dead entred into Heaven and offered himself to God for us I say is perfect and compleat that is all is now finished whereby we may be moved to embrace the remission of sinnes which God hath offered to us and Christ hath obtained authority to conferre that remission upon us Whence afterwards perpetually issueth the cleansing from sinnes and true freedom from the penalties of them Q. Why doth the Scripture treating of Christs Priest-hood say that he intercedeth for us A. Both that the care which Christ takes of our Salvation might by the requests which he is said to make to God appear to us and also that the Prerogative and eminency of the Father above Christ might remain entire and inviolate Touching the Church of Christ Q. YOu have spoken concerning the Kingdome of Christ speak now also concerning his People A. It is the Church or society of Christians and that either visible or invisible CHAP. I. Touching the Visible Church Q. VVHat is the Visible Church A. The Society of such Men as hold and professe the saving Truth Which society may be considered in generall or in speciall In generall when all the visible Societies of Christ dispersed through the whole world are considered as one Society of Christ or one Church In speciall when the particular Societies abiding in certain places as taken for the Church of Christ Q. For as much as now all Societies challenge to themselves the name of the Church of Christ I would fain hear whether there be any marks whereby the Church of Christ may be known A. It is to no great profit to inquire the Marks of a true Church of Christ since I have declared to you what constituteth a True Church namely the saving Truth which whatsoever Society holdeth and professeth is a true Church of Christ But such a Society as holdeth not the saving Truth or Doctrine nor professeth it not although it make shew of I know not what signes yet can it not be accounted a true Church of Christ But to hold the saving Doctrine since it is the essence of the Church of Christ cannot if we speak properly be the Mark thereof since the signe ought to differ from the thing whereof it is the signe Q. Therefore to know which is the true Church of Christ it is sufficient to know the saving Doctrine A. You rightly apprehend the thing For he that embraceth the saving Doctrine is already in the true Church So that he hath no need to enquire the notes of a true Church whereby it may be known But what the saving doctrine is you may understand by our foregoing speech and conference CHAP. II. Of the Government of the Church of Christ Q. SInce you have taught me that the Visible Church of Christ consisteth in the saving doctrine I would also