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A90899 Saving faith set forth in three dialogues or Conferences: 1 2 3 between Christ and a publican. Pharisee. Doubting beleever. Whereunto is added tvvo sermons one of them preached before the Parliament the other before the Lord Mayor of the City of London. By Vavasor Powell, minister of the Gospell. Powell, Vavasor, 1617-1670. 1651 (1651) Wing P3092; Thomason E1332_3; ESTC R209110 22,480 73

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presume or least I should beleeve and have no ground for my faith J. It is not presumption for thee to do what I command thee but it is obedience and is not my word of promise a sufficient ground for thy faith 1 Ioh. 3.23 Joh. 5.24 P. Doest thou then Lord command me to beleeve J. Yes feare not beleeve on me and thou shalt be saved Lu. 8.50 with Act. 16.31 P. But Lord though thou commandest me yet I have no power to beleeve J. I will write my law in thy heart and will inable and give thee power to beleeve Heb. 8.10 Mat. 12.21 P. Lord if thou wilt also give me power to beleeve I will acknowledge I am nothing but what I am in thee and that I have nothing but what I have received from thee J. Doest thou not beleeve P. Oh yes now Lord I do beleeve Ioh. 9.38 J. This is the worke and gift of God that thou dost beleeve for flesh and blood hath not wrought this in thee Ioh. 6.29 Eph. 2.8 P. Oh Lord I do acknowledge it to be thy worke but I am afraid I shall loose this faith againe J. I that am the Authour of thy faith will also finish it be therefore of good cheare for thou art one of my Fathers children and of my Saints and my spirit shall abide in thee for ever Heb. 12.2 Iohn 1.12 Iohn 4.14 Iohn 7.38 39. P. Lord I have sinned against thy father and against thee and I am unworthy to bee called either his Son or thy Servant Luk. 15.21 J. Sonne thy sins are forgiven thee sinne no more Luke 5.23 Iohn 8 11. P. Lord I am afraid I shall sinne againe though I desire and resolve never to do it But what Lord if I should sinne against my will J. Thou canst not sinne willingly and wilfully for my seede of grace will remain in thee and if thou sinnest through weaknesse and frailty I will be an Advocate and propitiation for thy sinnes 1 Ioh. 3.9 1 Ioh. 2.12 P. Is it then thy will Lord that I should have forgivenesse of my sins and doubt no more J. Yes sure for these things have I spoken that thou shouldest have a full assurance and doubt no more P. But what if Sathan when he sees me sinne will tempt me to doubt again J. Say unto him that I am faithfull and just to forgive thee thy sinnes and that my blood cleanseth thee from all sin 1 Ioh. 17. P. But Lord wilt not thou have me to confesse my sinnes J. Yes I will have thee confesse them be sorry for them and forsake them 1 Ioh. 1.9 Prov. 28.13 P. But Lord is it thy minde that I should alwayes be sorrowfull J. No but it is my mind rather that thou shouldest always rejoyce and have strong consolation Phil. 4.4 Heb. 6.18 P. Oh Lord I cannot chuse but cry and mourn and be ashamed and hate my selfe for all my former wickednesse and ungodlinesse Ezek. 16.61 J. Thou maiest do that and yet hold fast thy confidence for the spirit of mourning and the spirit of grace and adoption may be in thy heart at once and the one not destroy the other Zac. 12.10 P. Lord how is that J. Thou maist mourne at the sight of thy sins as they were comitted against me and for thy denying selling and crucifying me and yet thou maiest beleeve because I have said so that they are all pardoned As Josephs brethren cryed and complained for their guiltinesse in selling him yet they were glad that he was alive and could helpe them in their distresse Gen. 42.21 22. P. Now Lord thou hast taught me what I should do in respect of my selfe but now Lord I would do something for thee J. Come then and follow me Mat. 9.9 And he arose and followed him The second Conference between Christ and a Pharisee Pharisee THen one of the Pharisees came to him and asked him what shal I do to work the work of God Joh. 6.28 Jesus This is the worke of God that thou beleeve in him viz. me whom he hath sent Joh. 6.29 Ph But Master what good thing shall I do that I may have eternall life Mat. 19.16 J. If thou wilt be saved by doing then keep the Commandements Ph I have kept them all from my youth Mat. 19.20 J. Then thou art no sinner Ph Yes we are all sinners but I thanke God I am not as other men are Extortioners Unjust Adulterers or even as this Publican Luke 18.11 J. Why what doest thou more than this Publican Ph I fast twice in the weeke and give tithes of all that I possesse and concerning the Law I live blamelesse Luk. 18.12 Phil 3.6 J. Hast thou never read that they which followed after the Law of Righteousnesse have not attained to the Law of Righteousnesse Rom. 9.31 Ph No I never observed that but I remember another text where God saith I gave them my Statutes and shewed them my Judgements which if a man do he shall live in them Ezek. 20.11 J. Doest thou then think to go to heaven by doing Ph Not by doing onely but by doing good and departing from evill J. But doth not the Law say cursed is he that observeth not all things that are written in the words of the Law to do them Deut 27.26 Ph Yes that is whosoever breaks the Law is accursed unlesse hee repents for it J. The Law doth not say unlesse men repent for breaking it they are accursed but it says absolutely they are cursed and I say whosoever keepeth the whole law and yet offendeth in one point he is guilty of all Gal. 3.10 Jam 2.10 Mat 5.19 Ph I say so too that except men keep the law of Moses they (a) Acts 15.1.24 cannot be saved and whosoever (b) Joh. 7 49 know not and keepe not the Law they are accursed J. Doest thou know the Law Ph Yes I know the Law for I am instructed daily out of the Law by our (c) Zeph. 3.4 Doctors of the Law and holy Priests J The Priests have done violence to the Law and they that (d) Jer. 2.8 handle the Law know not the Lord. Ph Jehovah hath said that the Law shal not perish from the Priests for the Priests lips is to keep knowledge and we are to seek the Law at his mouth Jer 18.18 Mal 2.7 J. God hath said also that the Law shall (e) Ez. 7.16 perish from the Priests and that they (f) Jer. 31.4 shall not every man teach his neighbour any more for all shall know the Lord from the least to the greatest Ph I perceive thou goest about to destroy the Law J Thinke not so for I am not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it Mat 5.17 Luke 16.17 Ph I Sir I like that that wee should fulfill the Law for Moses gave us the Law that wee should performe it J Yes Moses gave you the Law but (a) Joh. 7.19 none of you keepeth it but (b) Mal.
of them Jesus Poore Publican What makes thee draw near to mee Publican Because they say Lord that thou art a friend of Publicans and Sinners Matth. 11.19 J. So I am and thou art welcome my beloved friend sit downe therefore with me and my Disciples Mat. 9.10 P. Good Master though I am unworthy to come into thy presence yet through thy leave I le sit here at thy feet to heare thy gracious words Mar. 7.25 Luke 10.39 Joh. 12.3 J. How knowest thou that my words are gracious P. Lord I have heard thee say that Publicans and Harlots shall enter into the King dome of heaven before the Pharisees which thinke themselves far better then us Mat. 21.31 Luke 18.11.12 J. And what say the Pharisees to that P. They murmure among themselves and say This man receiveth sinners and eateth with them Luke 15.2 J. Didst thou ever heare me preach besides that time P. Yes once besides and it was the best and comfortablest Sermon that ever I heard J. Dost thou remember any of it P. Yes though I have a bad memory yet I remember thou didst say If a man had a hundred sheep and did lose one of them he would leave the ninety and nine in the wildernesse and goe after that which was lost untill he finde it and when he had found it he layeth it on his shoulders rejoycing and when he commeth home he calleth together his friends and neighbours saying unto them rejoyce with me for I have found my sheep that was lost J. Is that all thou dost remember P. No I remember somewhat more that thou didst speake of a woman that had ten pieces of silver and when she had lost one piece she sought for it till she had found it and then called her neighbours together to rejoyce with her Also thou spakest of a man that had two sonnes the one that lived still at home and was obedient to his father the other that went away from his father and spent his fathers means among harlots till he came to poverty and yet when he returned to his father his father did receive him willingly and made him great welcome and entertainment J. Well done my friend thou hast well remembred but dost thou know why I spake these comparisons P. No Sir I doe not well know that J. It was to comfort and encourage the Publicans and great sinners that did heare me and to silence the Jewes that did murmure because they came to beare me and because I received them P. It is true Lord there were many of us there then but we did not know what thou didst mean by the lost sheep the lost piece and the wicked son J. I did mean thy Country-men and companions the Publicans Harlots and Sinners that are in a lost condition because of your sinnes and wickednesse in the eyes of others as the Pharisees quite lost and adjudged to perish for ever P. But who was it Lord that did seeke for the lost sheep and the lost piece of silver J. It was I who am the Saviour of sinners and the Shepherd of the sheep that am come to seeke and to save that which is lost Luke 19 10. Matth. 18.11 P. Lord I am one of those that are lost what shall I doe to be saved Acts 16.31 J. I am the way and the doore if any man enter in he shall be saved and whosoever beleeveth on me shall not perish but have everlasting life Joh. 14.6 10.9 3.15.16 P. Lord canst thou save such a sinner as I am J. Yes I have power to save and power to destroy but I came not to destroy * Greek 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the soules of men mens lives but to save them Jam. 4.12 Luk. 9.56 P. And art thou willing Lord that I should be saved J. Yes I am willing that all should be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth 1 Tim. 2.5 P. But Lord I am a wicked and a sinfull man Luk. 5.8 J. I know deare soule thou art so But I came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance Matth. 9.13 P. But Lord I am not an ordinary but an extraordinary sinner J. Notwithstanding poore man hearken for thy comfort There was a certaine Creditor that had two debtors the one ought five hundred pence and the other fifty and when they had nothing to pay be frankly forgave them both Luk. 7.41.42 P. But Lord I am a greater sinner then either of them both for I have nothing but sinned all my life time J. What though I am come to deliver those that were all their life time subject to * Or the bondage of sin bondage Heb. 2.15 P. Lord be mercifull to me being a sinner for I thinke there is not a greater sinner upon earth then I am Luke 18.13 J. I am mercifull and I will bee mercifull and will pardon thy sins Jer. 3.12 Heb. 8.12 P. Lord I am such a sinner I deserve no pardon for I have wearied thee with my sins J. Though thou dost not deserve pardon and though thou hast wearied me with thy sins yet I will pardon thine iniquities for my owne names sake Esa 43.25 P. Lord I doe thinke my sinnes are so great that it is impossible for them to be pardoned J. Doe not thinke or say so for all things are possible to him that beleeveth Mark 9.23 P. But my sins are so red I think all the water in the sea cannot wash them away J. Though thy sins be as scarlet they shal be as white as snow and though they be red like crimson they shall be as wooll if thou wilt turne to me from them for my bloud can cleanse thee from all sin Esa 1.18 1 Ioh. 1.7 P. But Lord if I should turne to thee from them yet they are written downe and thou wilt not blot them out Ier. 18.23 J. I am be that blotteth out thy transgressions yea have blotted out as a thicke cloud thy transgressions and as a cloud thy sins returne therefore unto me for I have redeemed thee Esa 43.25 44.22 P. But if I should returne unto thee yet when I sinne againe thou wilt remember my sins J. No I will pardon thee and thy sins and iniquities will I remember no more Heb. 10.17 P. Oh Lord I am the childe of wicked parents and thou ha said thou wilt visit the sins of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generation J. If a wicked father begets a son that seeth all his fathers sins which he hath done and considereth and doth not such like that sonne shall not beare the iniquity of the father Ezek. 18.14.20 Ezek. 16.3 to the 13. P. But Lord were there any wicked parents that had good children J. Yes many as wicked (a) 2 Kin. 16.20 with 2 Kin. 18.3 Ahaz had good Hezekiah So (b) 2 King 21 21 22. with 2 Kin. 22.2 Idolatrous Amon zealous Iosiah and ungodly Saul had godly Ionathan P.
2.9 you have beene partiall in the Law (c) mat 23.23 Ye pay tithe of Mint Annis and Cumming and have omitted the weightier matters of the Law Judgement Mercy and Faith Ph It is true we may come short in some things but he that keepeth the Law happy is he J. Thou that (d) Ro. 2.17 vers 23. restest in the Law and makest thy boast of the Law through breaking the Law thou doest dishonour God and causest many to (f) Mal. 2.8 stumble at the Law verily I say unto thee thou (g) Ro. 2.12 shalt be judged by the Law Ph No I hope rather to be justified then to bee judged by the Law J. Verily verily I say unto thee by the deeds of the Law there shall no flesh be justified in Gods sight Rom. 3.20 Gal 3.11 Ph How then shall I bee justified J. The righteousnesse of God without the Law is manifest being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets Rom. 3.21 Ph What Righteousnesse is that J Not a mans (h) Phil. 3.9 own righteousnesse which is called the (i) Ro. 2.26 Righteousnesse of the Law but the (k) Ro 4.13 righteousnesse which is of God by faith Ph What difference is there betweene the righteousnesse of the Law and the righteousnesse of faith J Moses describeth the righteousnesse of the Law thus that the man which doth those things which the Law requireth shall live by them but the righteousnesse of faith saith whosoever beleeveth on me shall be saved Ro 10.5.6.11 Ph How can men bee saved by beleeving in thee for thou art but one J. As by one (l) Rom. 5.7 mans offence death reigned by one much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousnesse shall reigne in life by mee who am the (m) Mal. 4.2 sonne of righteousnesse (n) Cor. 1.30 and made by God my Father to bee righteousnesse unto men Ph Thou bearest record of thy selfe Joh. 8.13 J (o) Joh. 8 14. Though I bear record of my selfe yet my record is true (p) Joh. 5.11 My Father also beareth witnesse of mee and this is his witnesse that he hath given life and this life is in me his son Ph But what sayest thou how was our father Abraham and his seed who lived before thee justified and saved J. (q) Joh. 8.56 Your Father Abraham rejoyced to see my day and be saw it and was glad for (r) Ro. 4.3.11 13 16. Gal. 3.14.18.20 I was before Abraham and be and his spirituall seed were justified and saved by faith in me Ph But was not Abraham justified by workes J. If Abraham were justified by workes he hath whereof to glory It is true Abrahams faith was accompanied with workes but net before God for what saith the Seripture Abraham beleeved God and it was accounted to him for righteousnesse Ro. 4.2.3 Ph If I bee not justified by my good works to what end should I performe them J Though thy good workes cannot justifie thee before God yet they may glorifie God and be profitable unto men Mat. 5.16 Tit. 3.8 Ph Well then I am glad my good workes bee good for something J Yes thy good workes would bee good for something if thy faith like Abrahams did work with thy works but thou doest not beleeve and all thy good works thou doest to be seen of men Iam. 2.22 Mat 23.5 Ph No I doe not do my good workes to bee seene of men but to please God J I tell thee that without faith it is impossible to please God Heb 11.6 Ph But God hath said if a man doe well hee shall be accepted J. It is not for their well-doing that men are accepted with my father but they are made acceptable in mee and their works are accepted for my sake Eph. 1.6 1 Pet 2.6 Ph But am I no nearer Heaven that performe good workes than this sinfull and ungodly Publican J. Thou Hypocrite that justifiest thy selfe and judgest another I tell thee that Publicans and Harlots shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven before such as thou art Mat 7.5 and 21 31. Ph Oh untrue and false-doctrine to say that those cursed men who know not the Law should bee saved before us who are the children of Abraham Ioh. 7.49 8.33 J Thou blinde and selfe-conceited Pharisee understandest thou not the Scripture I will have mercy and not sacrifice for I am not come to call the righteous but sinners to repentance And I say unto thee unlesse thou doest beleeve in mee thou art not the child of Abraham Mat. 9.13 Gal. 3.26 Ph I beleeve in the God of Abraham the God of Isaack and the God of Jacob whose child and servant I am J If thou didst beleeve in God thou wouldest also beleeve in mee but thou art the child of the devill and in bondage to this day Ioh 8.44 Gal. 4.25 Ph How am I in bondage J Thou art under the curse of the Law and under the power of sinne and Sathan and canst never be made free unlesse I make thee free Ioh 8.34 35 36. Ph How doest thou free men J By my (a) Gal. 3.13 death and sufferings I satisfie the Law by the (b) 1 Cor. 15.55 57. power of my resurrection I overcome death and by my Spirit I (m) Mat. 12.28 cast out Sathan and (n) Rom. 8.2 subdue sinne Ph. Sir I hope to be freed another way to wit by my sacrifices prayers and good works J. Thy sacrifices and thy prayers are an abomination unto me and thy workes are not found perfect before God Esa 66.3 Prov. 15.8 and 28.9 Rev. 3.2 Ph. What dost thou thinke to beat me off from my long prayers and good workes I hope by these together with my fasting and mourning to lay a sure and happy foundation for my soule for ever J. Thou worker of iniquity that dost (a) Esa 32.6 practice hypocrisie I tell thee thy prayers are (b) Ps 109.7 sinne thy workes are done to be seen of men thou also fastest for (c) Es 58.4.5 strife and thy mourning is but hypocriticall therefore instead of laying a sure and happy foundation thou (d) Iob 36.13 heapest up wrath to thy selfe against the day of wrath Ph. Sir I am not a hypocrite but a true childe of God and I hope I shall be saved for I know most good men take me for a godly and righteous man J. Though thou dost outwardly (e) Mat. 23.28 appeare righteous unto men yet within thou art full of hypocrisie and iniquity thou seed of the Serpent thy (f) Job 8.13 hope will perish for thou canst not (g) Mat. 23.33 escape the damnation of hell Ph. I doe not feare what thou saiest for I am better perswaded of my selfe J. Though thy seared conscience and hardned heart hinders thee yet from fearing yet feare terrour ' and trembling shall (h) Es 33.14 Deu. 32.22 surprise and fill thy spirit that thou shalt