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A83437	The casting down of the last and strongest hold of Satan. Or, A treatise against toleration and pretended liberty of conscience: wherein by Scripture, sound reason, fathers, schoolmen, casuists, Protestant divines of all nations, confessions of faith of the Reformed Churches, ecclesiastical histories, and constant practice of the most pious and wisest emperours, princes, states, the best writers of politicks, the experience of all ages; yea, by divers principles, testimonies and proceedings of sectaries themselves, as Donatists, Anabaptists, Brownists, Independents, the unlawfulnesse and mischeif [sic] in Christian commonwealths and kingdoms both of a vniversal toleration of all religions and consciences, and of a limited and bounded of some sects only, are clearly proved and demonstrated, with all the materiall grounds and reasons brought for such tolerations fully answered. / By Thomas Edvvards, Minister of the Gospel. The first part.; Casting down of the last and strongest hold of Satan. Part 1	Edwards, Thomas, 1599-1647.	1647 (1647)	Wing E225; Thomason E394_6; ESTC R201621	211,214	231

the campe and let all that heard him lay their hands on his head and let all the Congregation stone him Thirdly the declaration of the mind of the Lord in these two examples was no Answer by Vrim for besides that there is no mention in the text of the high Priest being spoken to put on the Ephod to enquire by Vrim neither doe any Interpreters understand it so both the texts are against it in those words And the Lord spake unto Moses saying bring forth him that hath cursed And the Lord said unto Moses The man shall surely bee put to death the declaration of Gods mind being to Moses immediately whereas in the judgement of Vrim it was to the Priest immediately so that these Answers of God were the Answers of a Law-giver giving Lawes and Penalties by the hand of Moses but not any new Interpretations and declarations of the meaning of the Law upon controversies and doubts arising and besides Gods way of answering Moses and answering by Vrim were different things as the Rabbins and other learned men who write of those things show Gods answering Moses and giving him Lawes and Commandements being by voice but answering by Vrim being in an other way by beholding the Breast-Plate and seeing therein by the Vision or Inspiration as these Scriptures Exod. 25. 22. Numb 7. 89. Exod. 28. 30. with Ainsworths Annotations expresse As for the immediatenesse of these Answers from God to Moses though not by the judgement of Vrim there were speciall reasons thereof God in an immediate way communicating to Moses all his Laws morall and judiciall Exod. 25. 22. and Moses being such a Prophet whom the Lord knew face to face and such an extraordinary man in severall respects as there was none like unto him Numb 12. 6 7 8. Exod. 33. 11. Deut. 34. 10 11. But for the Magistrates and Iudges that came after Moses to whom the morall Law and the Appendix of it the judiciall Law was given and delivered they were to proceed according to the written Law and there were in hard matters higher Courts consisting of a greater number more able to go to to determine what the lower could not then the highest of all the Synedrion at Jerusalem who were in all their judgements aboue morall transgressions to goe according to the Law of Moses as many Scriptures testifie Deut. 17. 11. c But no such Grounds after the whole Law morall ceremoniall and judiciall was published of immediatenesse of Answers from God to any of their Courts no not to the high Synedrion as to Moses who was to receive all for the first constituting of their policie according unto which all Courts and Iudicatures higher and lower were bound to goe Fourthly In these great and weighty cases of the Blasphemer and Sabbath-Breaker Moses did not presently passe sentence but made delayes put them in Prison till he knew the mind of the Lord and as for other reasons before alledged so for these following 1 to teach Iudges in matters of great weight of life and death not to be too sudden and hastie 2 in causes that are very hard to aske councell and to use all means to be well satisfied before they doe any thing In Ainsworths Annotations upon Numb 15. 34. the Reader may find the Chaldee paraphrazing thus This judgement was one of the foure judgements that came before Moses the Prophet which he judged according to the word of God Some of them were judgements of lesser moment and some of them judgements of life and death In the judgements of lesser moment of pecuniary matters Moses was readie but in judgements of life and death bee made delayes And both in the one and in the other Moses said I have not heard viz what God would have done For to teach the Heads or cheife of the Syn●drions or Assises that should rise up after him that they should bee ready to dispatch inferior causes or money matters but not hasty in matters of life and death And that they should not be ashamed to inquire in causes that are too hard for them seeing Moses who was the Master of Israel had need to say I have not heard Therefore hee imprisoned him because as yet it was not declared what sentence should passe upon him Babington in his comfort Notes on Levit. 24. writes Moses although such a man yet will doe nothing hastily in judgement and especially touching life but he will be advised by God who then spake from betwixt the Cherubims Exod. 25. and Numb 7. But it followes not because Iudges and Courts of Iustice were to learne to be cautious and carefull in matters of religion for what they punish especially with death that therefore they may punish no violations in religion though expresly and directly against the word of God unlesse God doe immediately from heaven declare them Blasphemies c and such kind of Blasphemies which the Law intends death to And for a conclusion of my Answer to this Evasion of Master Goodwin of the judgement by Vrim in the cases of Blasphemie Idolatry Prophecying falsly the cleare reason why then they were punished with death but may not be so now that being ceased under the new Testament I shall say no more but this I challeng him among al the examples recorded in Scripture of punishing men with death imprisonment or banishment c for Blasphemie Idolatrie Prophecying falsly prophaning of the Sabbath marrying Idolatrous wives and other transgressions of Gods worship to produce any one Instance that by the Iudges or by the high Sanhedrin God was enquired by Vrim whether such and such facts were Blasphemie Idolatrie c and of that kind and nature intended by the Law as punishable with death or among all Classicall Authors Rabbins and others who have written of the customes of the Iewes of Vrim and Thummim of the Sanhedrin at Ierusalem to cite me out of them any passages that affirme the Iudges or the high Councel of Seventie at Ierusalem or the high Priest for them were wont in cases of Apostasie Blasphemie c. to enquire by Vrim and to passe sentence upon persons according to that Answer and not according to the law which if he cannot doe as I am confident upon serious search he cannot then the Reader may easily see what poor shifts this great Champion of the Sectaries is put unto to uphold his damned cursed cause of Toleration of all Religions and to elude the commands of God fore-named for punishing Blasphemers Apostates Idolaters and false Prophets Now among all who have written of the high Priest and of Deut. 17. 11 12. I find only some Papists going Hagiomastixs way as Tostatus Lorinus who from all places of Scripture of the high Priest drawing matter to the Pope for establishing his Authoritie doe from this place also that they may establish his Authoritie above the Scriptures and appeals to him in cases of Controversie as the sole infallible Judge speake of the

p. 170 171. Beza De Haereti●is a Magistratu● puniendi● p. 152. 154 155. and by Zepperus in his explanation of the mosaicall judiciall laws first Book c. 10. page 72. and 4. Book chapt 2. p. 243. where hee makes the lawes against the false Prophet teaching publikely the private Seducer the publike defection of the whole City c to bee appendixes of the first command and of common right and particularly in the third chapter of that fourth Book proves by severall Reasons the punishing of false Teachers Hereticks Blasphemers ought to bee perpetuall which learned Authors notwithstanding grant the kinds of punishments the particular forms of those lawes and as they were given of Moses to bee constitutive of the Jewes pollicy to be changeable and not binding The kinds of punishments are taken away Christ would not have the Gentile Magistrate to be bound to those lawes for the kind of punishments which were given to the Jewish Magistrates but notwithstanding punishments in generall are not taken away but commanded In the constituting the kind of punishment there seems a peculiar reason to have been had of that Nation There were certaine peculiar things in those lawes that doe not now belong to us which particulars being taken away there are two things by vertue of those lawes remaine First that defection from the true Religion and seducing to tha defection should be punished by the Magistrate no● Secondly that Capitall punishment should be inflicted according to the greatnes of the Blasphemy and wickednesse upon factious and seditions Apostates For of such account ought the Majesty of God to be among all men in all ages of the world that whosoever shall despise and mock at that be who speakes evill of the Author of life is most worthy to have his life taken away So Zanchius De Magistratu Quaest secunda page 170. 171 172 and Beza De Haereticis a Magistrat● p●niendis page 154 155. speake and therfore according to that three-fold distinction laid down page 53 54 55. of this Treatise this law in Deut. 13. may be in force 1. according to the substance and equity of it according as there is a common right in it common to other Nations with the Jew● and secondly as it contains a Doctrine made known by God for punishing such offences though wee Christians are not tied to the particular formes of that command according to the Mosaicall law or politie nor as it was given by Moses to one people nor to the utmost vigor and severity of it expressed in every particular which being in force under the Gospel but in this sense thus far fully makes good that which t is brought for the Magistrates coercive power under the new Testament to punish false Prophets Apostates c neither does the abating somewhat of the rigor of the Law sutable to the Mosaical Paedagogie or the relesiang of the particular forms of that Law the kind and manner of punishing abrogate all punishment and restraint For we may easily conceive and wee often see it in experience the rigor and utmost severity of a Law in regard of some circumstances abated and yet not all punishment neither the substance of it taken away and indeed if wee consider what the judiciall Law concerning punishing in criminall matters is as t is laid downe by divers learned men Beza Zepperus Amesius viz. that law which doth peculiarly explicate that part of righteousnesse and equitie concerning executing justice and judgement or the most accurate determination and fit application of the naturall right according to the speciall and singular condition of that people it must needs follow that though those circumstances which were proper to that speciall estate of the Jewes are ceased as of necessity they must the State of the Jewes being changed yet the things themselves as abstracted from their relation to the Jewish Church and state cannot be abolished as being naturalis juris which still doe hold forth to us the best determination of naturall right as Amesius speaks as the changing of the fashion forme and proportion of a mans clothing and apparell cannot alter a mans substance and person so neither can the forms and manner of the judiciall Law by which it was fitted for the Jewes condition as a garment is to a mans body take away the Law it selfe so that judicias being ●othing else but naturals and morals clothed for a time after such a manner to fit the nature and manners of such a people that time and people being passed away the substance viz. what 's naturall and morall must needs remaine Fifthly as to those other inferences added by Hagiomastix page 50. 51 52. to the former that if the obligation of the Mosaicall Law for putting Blasphemers Idolaters c to death was intended by God to continue under the new Testament why was the Apostle Paul so farre from enjoyning a beleeving brother to detect or to put to death his Idolatrous wife that hee doth not permit him so much as to put her away from him if the Law in question was to continue in force under the Gospel then was every person in an Idolatrous state and kingdome whilst it remained Idolatrous bound to seeke the death one of another yea to destroy one another with their own hands Yea the civil Magistrate was bound to sentence all his subjects that practised Idolatry to death without exception and to make a bloudy desolation throughout all his dominions then were beleevers in Idolatrous states and kingdomes upon their respective Conversions to the Christian faith bound to accuse their neighbours being Idolaters and Blasphemers round about them before the Magistrate especially if hee were a Christian and to require the execution of this Law of God upon them to have them put to death I answer M. Goodwins If● Thens proceed either out of the grosse ignorance of the state of the question of Toleration and scope of Deut. 13. or elsefrom a designe to delude and abuse the people with a show of some reason which though hee knowes in his conscience very well hath no waight at all yet he thinks will serve to mislead his followers who takes shadowes for men For whereas the question about punishing men with death or other severe punishments in cases of Idolatry and false Doctrine is understood by all Divines who write of the Controversie in case of Apostasie and defection meant of those who have once known and received the Christian faith and not of Jewes Turks and Pagans of Magistrates also in their owne jurisdiction and Territories not others and when it may bee with the safety and for the good of a Nation and Kingdome not to the manifest destruction and ruine of a Kingdome as he may find in the writings of many learned men who have writ upon the Question Calvin Beza Zanchius Bullinger Danaeus Musculus Gerardus Baldwins cases of conscience Zepperus Videlius Voetius Master Rutherfurd c and is evident

of your Ruling Elders the necessity of Widowes as Officers in the Church the absolute necessity of one and the same governmant or Discipline in all particulars whatsoever for all Churchès in all times and places a full and peremptory determination of all things whatsoever appertaining to the worship of God with divers such like positions which are the very life soule and substance of your way I am at perfect peace in my thoughts that you will never be able to demonstrate or prove from the Scriptures to any sober minded or confidering man Master Goodwins Appendix in his Preface to the Reader If the soules and consciences of men have any cause at all to blesse me it is because I have clothed them with strength and confidence of the royall parentage and descent of the Scriptures and subdued their fears and jealousies of any subornation in that kind under their feet Nay did I not verily beleeve the Scriptures to be the word of God I would not for their sakes expose my selfe as now I doe But that beleif I speak of which hath reigned in me and over me hitherto and hath blessed me with such an abundance of peace of comfort in sufferings for it will not c. An Apologeticall Account of some Brethren of the Church whereof Master Goodwin is Pastour pag. 5. 6. The Doctrines of the Father and of the Sonne the involving whereof in the clouds of uncertainty the said Vindication most falsely and mal●tiously charges upon him hath he brought into so cleare and open view that we have seen the peace and everlasting salvation of our soules in them Every one of those fundan entail Principe● of Christian Religion which this gangren'd pen would perswade the world he denies or doubts of hath he not only asserted in our hearing againe and againe but proved them with such evidence and demonstration of the spirit that our consciences were forced to fall flat before them and to confesse that of a truth God was in them * Anonymi Dissertatio De pace Concordia Ecclesi●e pag. 91 92. Apologia pro Socinianis Fallunt falluntur qui ad florentis istius aetatis exemplum nostra tempora exiguut Non iisdem remediis nunc afflicta Ecclesiae valetudo restitui potest quibus olim poter●● aegritudo submoveri Cum sanam esset ac robusta Ecclesia in primo illo aetatis store Apostolorū choro superstite etiam violentis utiremediis ob vigorem suum par erat Nunc morbis ac senio confecta debilis superanti jam aegritudini pene succumbit ●ec magis unquam periclitatur quam cum in crudeles medicos incidit Vide ibi plura * Gerard. Joh. Vossii Theses Theolog. De necessi Baptismi Thes 4. contra F●ust●̄ Socinū Praeterea etsi concederetur Christum de Baptismo de disse praeceptū censet illud tantùm pertinuisse ad initia quibus exrudi populo ceremoniis assueto Ecclesia Christo colligebatur Denique eo etiam concesso ut perpetuo debeat in Ecclesia obtinere negat tamen universale esse nam cum aquae Baptismus nihil aliud sit quam publica● solennis quaedam professio nominis Christi minime hunc iis necessarium esse ait qui ex Christianis id est Christum profitentibus nascuntur aut qui in Christiana fide sunt educati * But some commands that in regard of their manner some degrees and adjuncts may not bind yet in respect of their substance and the things themselves are perpetuall of which I have spoken before p. 81 82 83 84. whoever does but consider the difference between the essence of a thing and the adjunct of a thing how the essence is one thing and the adjunct another and how some change may be in an adjunct when not in the essence at all will be satisfied a Vid. Jun. Annot. in Ezr. 1. 65. and Eng. Annet * Calvin Refut E●●orum Serveti p. 598. Hujus rei illustre nobis exemplum spiritus Dei proponit in Nebuchad Nam ejus edictum celebrat Daniel quo capitalem paenam denunciat siquis in Deum Israel blasphemus fuerit Honor profecto non vulgaris crudeli tyranno habetur quum Prophetam suum Dominus ad publicandas quaet tulit leges qua si praeconem assignat leges ipsas in acta sua refert sacrisque suis oraculis annumerat Quid an spiritus sa●cti Prophetae elogio laudatur Nebuchadnezer qui veri Dei gloriam pro imperio tutandam suscepit ut ad impiam ejus prophanationem conniv●ant sancti Magistratus an non potius his dominus sub profani regis persona quid agere ipsos deceat praescribit Et c●rte quid magis praeposterum quam in Ecclesiae sinu impune foveri fcelestas in Deum c●nt●elias quae in Babylone paena capitali sanitae fuerunt ☞ * Bulling adversus Anabaptistas l. 4. c. 5. c. 6. Osiandri Enchiridion c. 2. Qust 41. De Magistratu Politico * The Errors and Controversies in matters of the second Table upon the 5 6 7 8 and 9. Commandements are the most exactly summed up by Danaeus in his Book De Haeresibus of any Author in that kind that ever I met with Index● Tertius de Decalog Legis De quinto Praecepto Magistratum damnant tollunt Manichai Anabaptistae Magistratus ●utoritatem in negotiis religionis negant D●n●tistae Judicia capitalia à Christian● homine exer●●i posse negant Tertullianiss● De sexto precepto seipsos occiacre putant licere hominibus Patriciani Circumcelliones De septimo Praecepto Vxores communes promiscuas ess debere d●cent Simoniani Nicolaitae Carpocratiani Incestus admittunt probant Catap●●yges De octavo praecepto Propria quaedam à Christianis poss●deri posse negant Apostolici Jesuitae Anabaptistae De nono praecepto mentiri homini Christiano licere putant Messaliani Priscillianistae ☜ * Whites way to the Church pag. 81. 83 84 85. Neither can the Jesuite assigne any Company or State of men whereby the Church may be supposed to manifest her teaching but the same may be subject to error and in experience hath erred as wee see in Councels Doctors and all other meanes which she hath used in teaching us except that of the Scriptures only Willets second Generall Controversie concerning the Church second question whether the Church may erre pag. 69 70 71. Amesii Bellarm. Enervat Tom. sec●nd cap. 2. De Eccles visibilit quaest 4. An Ecclesia● possit errare Rivet Catholic Orthodox Tractat. 2. Quaest 3. An Ecclesia possit errare Cameron Praelect de Eccles De Eccles Infallibilit 281 282 c. ☞ * Chamier Panstrat Cathol De Canon summa Regula Fidei Apostoli fuerunt infallibiles ex particulari assistentia spiritus habuerunt particularem non habitualem assistentiam spiritus Lutherus spirtus Sanctus non semper tangit corda Propheta●um * Whitak Controv 3. quaest 6 An Assertion of the Government of the Church of

high Priest in matters of morall transgressions giving Answers by Vrim and not by the sentence of the Law So Lorinus upon the 11. verse according to the sentence of the Law which they shall teach thee saith that by the name of the Law in this place is neither necessarily understood the Mosaicall Law nor the holy Scripture but the sentence it selfe of the Judge as the pronoun● infinuates the Hereticks would have it to bee a conditionall command of hear●●ning to the Priests according to the Law that they might take away the Authoritie of Traditions and appeale to the Scripture alone Luther long since writing upon this place observed as much of the Papists And the Papists with a great deale of endeavour have drawn this place to their Idol that they might set up the Papacie So that by this it seems the Papists and Sectaries are agreed upon the same Mediums to set up the Pope and his Infallibilitie and a Toleration and Dispensation to beleeve and professe whatsoever men please Thirdly this cleere reason of Master Goodwin in his 36. Section of Hagiomastix against the old Testament Law being now in force for putting of false Prophets Blasphemers and Seducers to Idolatris to death upon which hee vapours and triumphs so exceedingly over the Anti Quaerists certaine striplings of the Assembly as hee by way of scorne terms them is so farre from fighting against the Magistrates punishing even by virtue of that old law for matters of Religion where hee is sure and certaine the things hee punishes for are Apostasies Idolatries Heresies Blasphemies and that hee is not mistaken as that in all such cases of certaintie and infallibility it establishes the Magistrates coercive power in matters of the first Table and is indeed a strong reason for it For if that were the formall cause and reason why Magistrates might then punish Idolatrie false Prophecying c. because they might infallibly know such a thing was Idolatrie c. and so bee out of danger of fighting against God then what things may bee as certainly known under the Gospel to bee Idolatrie false Prophecying Apostasie c the Magistrate may as well restraine I shall not need to prove the consequence because besides its own evidence that it necessarily follows Master Goodwin in expresse terms grant and confesses page 130. that for his part hee shall thinke it equall nd meet hee that shall doe presumptuously and not hearken unto what is by infallible Revelation from God should be put to death and the only ground brought by him in this 36. Section of denying this power to Magistrates now is their uncertaintie in matters of Religion the best Oracles that Magistrates and Iudges have to direct them in doubtfull cases about matters of Religion being men of very fallible judgements and every way obnoxious unto error and mistake and therefore to goe about to prove that the old Law is now in force because it was once given to the Iewes is as if one should prove that a man may safely and without danger walke among bogges and praecipices at midnight because he may well do it at noone day So that by Hagiomastixs owne confession what 's certainly and infallibly known to be Error Idolatrie Blasphemie Heresie may and ought to be punished by the Magistrate under the new Testament which is indeed a yeelding the question that Magistrates may punish under the Gospell in matters of Religion for that 's not the question what is truth and what is Error what is Heresie and what is Idolatrie and whether any thing can bee known certainly under the Gospell to be truth or no and how the Magistrates come to know it and who shall tell them which is truth that is quite another question but the question in hand about Toleration and the Magistrates coercive Power in points of Religion is supposing and granting there are many things certaine in Religion which he certainly knows and beleeves whether then the Magistrate may punish which upon this very question whether Princes have full Power to command for truth was well observed by Bishop Bilson long since in his answer to a Jesuite making this objection Yea But who shall tell Magistrates which is truth That is not this question When wee reason whether Princes may command for truth and punish error you must not cavill about the meanes to know truth from error but suppose that truth were confessed and agreed on and in that case what may Princes doe for truth If I should aske you whether Princes may revenge Murthers and punish thefts were this an Answer to say but how shall they know what Murther is and who be theeves No more when we demand what duty Princes owe to God and his truth should you stand quarrelling what truth is or how truth may be known The Princes dutie to God is one question which wee now handle the way to discerne truth from error is another which anon shall ensue when once this is ended But first let us have your direct Answer whether Princes may command for truth or no And then the Iesuite answering for truth they may but if they take quid pro quo they both hazard themselves and their whole realms Bilson replies you slide to the second question again before the first be finished stay for that till this be tried Now then to bring this point to ahead and issue Hagiomastixs clear reason grants that in cases about matters of Religion sure and certaine the Magistrate may punish in the times of the Gospel which directly overthrowes that universall Toleration so much pleaded for in divers of his Books so that Master Goodwin by his own cleer reason is forced upon this Dilemma either to hold no points in matters of Religion and Doctrine of faith can be certainly and infallibly known under the Gospel or if they can then the violations of such may by the Magistrate be lawfully censured And here in this matter I doe appeale from Master Goodwins wanton wit great applause among his Seduced Members and from all others his ingagements to the Sectarian partie to his conscience if so bee in this point of pretended libertie of conscience he hath any conscience at all left to resolve me this question whether Christian Magistrates under the Gospell may not by the Scriptures and other meanes that God hath given and appointed in his Church infallibly and certainly know that there is a God that this God is but one that the Scriptures are the word and mind of this God that this God is holy just good wise eternall omniscient omnipotent mercifull perfect that this one God though but one in essence is three in persons the Father the Sonne and the Holy Ghost that the Son was manifested in the flesh became man that he died for our sinnes according to the Scriptures that hee rose again from the dead ascended into heaven sitteth at the right hand of God shall come to judge the world that

there is a Hell and eternall Death for all wicked impen●tent persons and a Heaven and eternall life for the Elect and true beleevers that for a Christian to worship and serve the Sun Moon and starres or foure-footed Beasts and creeping things is Apostasie and Idolatrie that to revile scoffe at and speak reproachfully of God is to blaspheme God that for a man to say God revealed to him the day of judgement should bee on such a day or such and such things should come to passe at such a time when the contrary is manifested to all be not to prophecy falsly and so I might instance in many more Unto which question if Master Goodwin answers affirmatively that Magistrates may in these and some other points of Religion infalliblity and certainly know the truth then the universall Toleration pleaded for by him in M. S. Some modest and humble Quaeries concerning a printed Paper entituled an ordinance for the preventing of the growing and spreading of Heresies c Hagiomastix Appendix 〈◊〉 Hagiomastix and other his Pamphlets falls to the ground and the Ordinance presented to the Honorable House of Commons for preventing Heresies and Blasphemies may take place and the Inflicters of heavy censures upon such who broach Doctrines contrary to these viz. that there is a God that he is perfectly holy ●ternal that hee is one in three persons c may infallibly know such Opinions are not the sacred Truths of God and the c●eer reason of Hagiomastix in this 36. Section against the old Testament Law for putting false Prophets c to death now is of no force at all for in these Principles of religion named and divers others as the resurrection of the dead that Christ is God that Christ according to his humane nature was borne without sin c Christian Magistrates walke no more at midnight but at noon day then the Iewish Magistrates in cases of Blasphemie Apostasie Idolatrie Prophecying falsly c. are as certaine and sure as they who received Answers under the old Law in matters of Religion of Idolatrie Blasphemie supposing there had been any such from the Priests by the judgement of Vrim But now if Master Goodwin dare answer negatively that there is no infallible certaine knowledge in any point of Religion under the new Testament no man infallibly and certainly knowes that there is a God or that this God is holy perfect eternall that there is a Iesus Christ who died for our sins and rose againe from the dead that there is a resurrection of mens bodies and a day of judgement c t is all opinion and probabilitie the contrary may be the Sacred Truths of God and therefore there may be no punishing by death or other bodily punishment for holding any Doctrines or Opinions in Religion suppose contrary to admonition which for ought the said inflicters know except they make themselves infallible may be the sacred Truths of God I say and am ready to prove it against him that he overthrowes the Scriptures all Christian Religion all Faith yea all the comfort and salvation of Christians hee is a Sceptick an Antiscripturist a Newtrall in Religion and an Atheist Hee justifies the worst of the Papists in all they have written against the Scriptures calling it a nose of wax a dumb judge inkie Divinity c. for to hold nothing can bee known certainly and infallibly by the Scriptures is to make them a nose of wax an imperfect weak rule a doubtfull Oracle like that of Apollo's For if the Trumpet give an uncertaine Sound who shall prepare himselfe to the battell so likewise except the Spirit of God have by the holy pen-men uttered words that may bee understood how shall it be known what is written for this would make the Scriptures be as a speaking into the aire but as concerning that point of the Church under the new Testament knowing infallibly and certainly the Christian Religion and matters necessary to salvation both in faith and worship as the Church under the old by Vrim I shal speak fully to it in the seventh answer to this Reason only for a conclusion of this third Answer I adde I much wonder seeing under the new Testament according to Hagiomastix Doctrine no Magistrates nor Synods can be certaine in doubtfull cases about matters of Religion but the best Oracles Magistrates have to consult with are every way obnoxious unto error and mistake and that the wisest and most learned of them are not able cleerly or demonstratively to informe the Magistrate what blasphemy or what idolatry it was which was by God sentenced to death under the Law though by the way I must check Master Goodwins confidence for I who am the least of all the Ministers of Christ and not to be named with the wisest and most learned of them am able cleerly and demonstratively out of Deut. 17. 2. 3. 4. 5. to informe the Magistrate and Master Goodwin too if he will bee informed what Idolatrie it was which was by God sentenced to death under the Law viz for a Iew to goe serve and worship the Sun or Moon how Master Goodwin and divers Members of his Church come to be in many controverted points doubtfull cases about matters of Religion so confident and certaine as they make themselves certain that Presbyteriall Government is not Jure Divino certaine that Christian Magistrates may not exercise their coercive Power in any matters of Religion no not to the restraining of Blasphemie Idolatrie Heresie Scisme most certaine that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 credere faith in a proper sense is imputed to justification and not Christs Righteousnesse certaine that the way of the Congregation is the truth and so I might instance in divers other points To be confident as confidence it selfe can make a man to bee as sure as twice two makes four to have abundant satisfaction from God for what a man holds in pregnant strong cleer and rational demonstrations on the one hand and distinct clear and home Answers to all objections to the contrarie on the other hand that if light be light reason reason sense sence Scriptures Scriptures then such a Doctrine is truth that though the whole world should rise up as one man to oppose yet that should not shake nor unsettle a man in it is to attaine to a high measure of certaintie and infallib●litie Now whoever hath but read with due consideration Mr. Goodwins writings cannot but take notice in them of many high strains and professed solemne Declarations of his absolute certaintie and full demonstrative knowledge of many Points of Religion yea of some more doubtfull controverted as of Church-Governement and the way of the Congregation and yet I suppose hee hath no better Oracles to consult with then Christian Magistrates have There is no Priest with Vrim for him to enquire by unlesse the Sectaries have set him up as their Oracle to consult with in stead of the Scriptures and I think he will not