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A54931 Truth vindicated and the lyars refuge swept away being an answer to a book set forth by Thomas Collier called A looking-glasse for Quakers, and also to some particulars in a book of his called A dialogue &c. : wherein the truth is cleared from those slanders ... : also an answer to his queries in the end of the book ... : together with an epistle to the people called Baptists ... / published by ... John Pitman, Jasper Batt. Pitman, John, d. 1658?; Batt, Jasper, d. 1702. 1658 (1658) Wing P2299; ESTC R28442 57,250 71

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Apostles Was it a Bible or Christ that they preached to bring people to repentance by And so how art thou found here bearing testimony against the Scriptures and thy self setting up another way to conversion then what the Ministers and Apostles of Christ yea Christ himself preached who said I am the way to the Father and no man can come to the Father but by me And he was the same yesterday as to day and for ever Art not thou one of those who art searching the Scriptures and thinks therein to have eternall life but will not come unto Christ that thou mayest have life But thou sayest that Naylor reproacheth Christ in accounting the way of converting souls by the Ministry of Christ in the use of the Bible to be new Now J. N. doth not say that the Ministry of Christ is new but advances it above all other and is charging thee for setting up another way to Conversion then what is declared in the Scriptures of Truth who declared Christ the way and no other who was the foundation of the Prophets as well as of the Apostles And this we say there is many now in those dayes such as thou art which take a Ministry from the Bible and steale the Prophets Christs and the Apostles words which testifies of Christ yet never knew the Ministry of Christ But they run yet I sent them not saith the Lord therefore they profit not the people Out of thine own mouth be thou judged to be one of them witnesse Tiverton Writing where thou with others confessest that all your weapons are wrested out of your hands and the true Ministers of Christ had their Ministry from that which was before the Scriptures even from the word which was in the beginning and this the Scriptures witnesse But thou sayst The Scripture is the absolute rule of Saints the written Law as in the Old Testament so it is in the New and good it were for the Quakers if they could yet so own it We say that that law written is the present ministration and absolute rule of Saints For thus saith the Lord It shall come to passe in the latter days that I will write it in their hearts c. The fulfilling of which promises we are witnesses of even the Law of God written in our hearts which is to us an absolute rule For neither circumcision nor uncircumcision availeth any thing but a new creature and as many as walke according to this rule peace be on them c. And here we have the Scriptures bearing testimony with us but we do not know that T. C. hath any Scripture to bear testimony with him in saying That the Scripture is the absolute Rule of Saints and so the testimony of the Scriptures do we own but deny Tho Colliers He saith page 14. the denying his Book false Doctrine Lyes Antichristian another Gospel c. he can comfortably bear for his Lords sake His servant thou art to whom thou art obedient And while thy abhominations reigne and art drawing iniquity with cords of vanity for whom dost thou work He that commits sin is of the Devill And this know that according to thy work so shall thy reward be Therefore beware of dreaming on in a vain profession For though thou mayest say at the last day Lord Lord in thy name have I preached baptized c. yet workers of Iniquity must depart And then he saith page 14. That the light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world is the light of nature which all men have by Christ as in his Book is largely manifest and proved by Scripture For answer we say the thing is not manifest neither hath he proved it by the Scripture Indeed in his Book there is some of his own inventions and imaginations touching a light of Nature and Additions and meanings of his own put on the Scriptures but so far from being proved by Scriptures that there is no mention of a Light of Nature in the Scriptures produced by him nor in any other Scripture we know of but that which John a man sent from God saith is the true light which was in the beginning by whom all things were made he saith is the light of nature but whose testimony is to be received Johns or his let the spirituall man judge we adhere to John's and deny his He further saith page 14. Let Naylor prove that Christ lighteth all men with the saving light c. and rages at his blindness c. because he hath seen so far into the life of our Religion as to discover it which makes them startle and will prove their fall in perswading people that there is no other way then the light of the world to bring souls to God he instances John 8.12 We answer Oh wicked blasphemy will this prove our fall to perswade people that there is no other way then the light of the world to bring souls unto God verily this will be the fall of all that oppose it But whosoever builds here the gates of hell shall never prevail against him Christ saith I am the light of the world I am the way to the Father and none can come to the Father but by me But who said He is a saving light to all we say he is the true light which lighteth every man that cometh into the world according to John 19 And the same light which leads all those out of darknesse who follow him will be the condemnation of all those who reject and disobey him The same Christ who is set for the rising is also for the fall of many in Israel and not one light one Christ for the saving of some and another light another Christ for the condemnation of others but one and the same light Christ for both As for thy seeing into the life of our Religion c. verily the desire of our souls is that all might come to the knowledge of it but thou art yet ignorant of it for it is the mystery hid from the wise and prudent even Christ in us the hope of glory whose being in thee thou hast denyed and so art smitten with blindnesse and weariest thy selfe to finde the door Thou art thinking that we endeavour to hide our Principles and would not have them manifest when as that which we have received in the eare we declare on the house-top but the ground of blindnesse is in thy selfe who hast eyes and see not eares and hears not a heart but canst not understand for that wisdome wherein thou standest cannot perceive the things of God because they are spiritually discerned And until thou own him the light of the world as the Scriptures testifie of him thou canst never know the way to the Father nor see into the life of our Religion for our life is hid with Christ in God But thou sayest thou wilt admit him to be the Light of the world as in thy book is manifest verily thou must own him the light of
to such a purpose because I. N. saith Iudgement passeth upon all that is in the creature contrary to the life of God and his judgement must passe upon all that is unrighteous and they live in that which is for fire and condemnation Doth therefore he or the people called Quakers deny the Salvation or Damnation of persons If in this T. C. had been faithfull to I. N. he might have found in the same Book concerning Judgement speaking of the wicked with that which you hate shall you be condemned with other vvords to that purpose And in the same Book concerning the Resurrection he thus saith Think of this you wicked workers who live and dye in your sins and yet please your selves with talking of the Resurrection c. A wofull day will it be unto you who are found in your sins and in love of the world you prophane Esaus and cursed Nimrods c You hypocrites who professe God in words but in works deny him c. A terrible day will this be to you who dye in your sins And speaking of the children of Light he saith That in him we might be found at that day in whom we looke for a better resurrection which did we not see to be an unmeasurable reward we have an opportunity to return c. And if our hope were onely in this life we were of all men most miserable and many other words to the same purpose And now that T. C. or any other should be so impudent as to charge the people called Quakers for owning neither Salvation nor Damnation of any person and be so blinde to produce J. N. for a witnesse who so evidently declares that he owns both And this further we say A day we own wherein every man shall receive a due reward according to their works done in the body whether good or evill Even in that day which God hath appointed to judge the world in righteousness when the wicked shall not be able to stand in judgement nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous Yea a day when all that are in the graves shall hear the voyce of the Son of God and shall come forth they that have done good to the resurrection of life and they that have done evill unto the resurrection of condemnation when a finall separation shall be witnessed and each receive his sentence Come ye blessed go ye cursed from which sentence there shall be no appeal nor flying from the execution thereof Oh consider this ye who are drawing iniquity with cords of vanity having abominations reigning in you and iniquity apparently written in your forheads Ye who now make it a light thing even to lead the innocent with lies slanders reproaches verily in that day shall your hands grow weak which now are strengthened one by another and your faces gather palenesse which now cannot blush Then shall all false coverings be ript off and all appear as they are In vain shall it then be for such to say Lord Lord we have preacht and baptized in thy name c. Nay hear your sentence Depart you workers of iniquity into everlasting fire c. Another lye by him charged upon us is That our principles are but the pinciples of the old Ranters vvhich are out of date revived and brought into credit again by a new dresse c. This he affirms in his Dialogue vvithout mentioning any proof And in his Glasse for a proof he saith That this is true I need not prove in this place Any that know the principles of the Ranters may easily discern it The Ranters would have no Christ but within no Scripture to be a rule no Ordinances no Law but their Lust no heaven nor glory but here no sin but what men fancied to be so no condemnation but in the consciences of ignorant ones c. And what the Quakers is more or lesse let their own consciences judge onely they smooth it over with an outward austere carriage before men but within are full of pride filthinesse abhominations which by degrees break forth witness Naylers Exaltation in the West Here is the charge and the proof of it but we are confident he that is svvayed by the least spark of honesty vvill not finde us guilty on this evidence He saith That this is true I need not prove had he said I cannot prove he had spoken the truth although to confesse himself a lyar and false accuser for envy and subtelty it selfe can never prove it and it 's very like if he had any evidence he would produce it but at last he saith Witness Naylers Exaltation in the West Let the Reader a little consider when this time was that he speaks of it was not untill about the ninth moneth in the yeare 1656. And I. N. had answered the Dialogue wherein this Charge vvas layd in the fifth moneth before and yet novv no evidence produced for proof of this particular but that vvhich he calls Naylors Exaltation in the West So it 's clear the charge vvas laid and continued about four moneths vvithout any evidence and as its likely if this Exaltation as he calls it had not been he had yet remained vvithout proof We further ansvver as to the particular vvhich he calls J. Naylers Exaltation in the West it 's sufficiently known to many that that action vvas not at all ovvned by those vvho profest and lived in the Truth and vvere called Quakers vvhich may more at large appear by George Bishops Book published in ansvver to Ralph Farmer But mark these Principles of the Ranters vvhich he saith are the principles of the Quakers One is The Ranters would have no Christ but within which we utterly deny and what we own and witnesse concerning Christ vve have already demonstrated Even he it is that vve bear testimony unto who fills all things and preached himselfe the light of the world which lighteth every man that cometh into the world vvho is the savation of all those vvho believe in obey and follovv him and the condemnation of all such vvho reject and disobey him Another of the Ranters Principles as he saith is No Scripture to be a rule We say that vvhich the Scriptures declares vvas the guide and rule of Saints vve ovvn and vvitnesse and the Scriptures of truth to be given forth by that Spirit vvhich could not erre Another No Ordinances The Ordinances of Christ we ovvn One Lord one Faith one Baptisme and his Crosse ordained by him vve daily witnesse which crucifies us to the world and the world unto us and its the great power of God to salvation Another is No Law but their Lust Thomas Colliers own principles as manifested by his practice and confession appears more like the Ranters then ours For the grace of God which hath appeared to all men hath taught us to deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to live godlily soberly in this present world Now T. C. besides those many lyes and false accusations