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A81826 Of the right of churches and of the magistrates power over them. Wherein is further made out 1. the nullity and vanity of ecclesiasticall power (of ex-communicating, deposing, and making lawes) independent from the power of magistracy. 2. The absurdity of the distinctions of power and lawes into ecclesiasticall and civil, spirituall and temporall. 3. That these distinctions have introduced the mystery of iniquity into the world, and alwayes disunited the minds and affections of Christians and brethren. 4. That those reformers who have stood for a jurisdiction distinct from that of the magistrate, have unawares strenghthened [sic] the mystery of iniquity. / By Lewis du Moulin Professour of History in the Vniversity of Oxford. Du Moulin, Lewis, 1606-1680. 1658 (1658) Wing D2544; Thomason E2115_1; ESTC R212665 195,819 444

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clergyman_n or_o not_o be_v decide_v capital_a only_o except_v for_o matter_n of_o faith_n i_o confess_v there_o be_v many_o emperor_n sanction_n forbid_v secular_a court_n to_o meddle_v with_o they_o but_o this_o do_v not_o argue_v that_o the_o clergy_n have_v any_o power_n more_o than_o declarative_a not_o sancitive_a for_o 1._o this_o very_a sanction_n that_o secular_a court_n shall_v not_o meddle_v with_o matter_n of_o faith_n be_v a_o law_n of_o the_o emperor_n and_o the_o episcopal_a court_n or_o synod_n can_v not_o challenge_v any_o power_n therein_o but_o by_o a_o commission_n from_o the_o emperor_n 2._o the_o emperor_n do_v not_o conceive_v themselves_o oblige_v to_o receive_v law_n concern_v faith_n from_o the_o bishop_n or_o that_o come_n from_o they_o they_o have_v a_o stamp_n of_o authority_n through_o all_o the_o emperor_n dominion_n except_o they_o be_v approve_v of_o and_o ratify_v by_o they_o 3._o the_o emperor_n do_v not_o think_v themselves_o much_o oblige_v to_o 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be_v introduce_v there_o be_v a_o great_a clamour_n and_o complain_v among_o they_o as_o if_o luther_n have_v a_o mind_n to_o lay_v again_o upon_o their_o shoulder_n that_o yoke_v which_o they_o have_v shake_v off_o from_o their_o neck_n some_o few_o year_n after_o have_v again_o propound_v that_o his_o intent_n be_v not_o to_o put_v excommunication_n into_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o minister_n alone_o but_o to_o make_v it_o a_o act_n of_o the_o jurisdiction_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n some_o seem_v to_o consent_v to_o it_o but_o most_o be_v against_o it_o we_o do_v not_o read_v that_o either_o it_o be_v settle_v at_o all_o or_o that_o it_o be_v do_v quiet_o in_o his_o life_n time_n we_o read_v indeed_o that_o luther_n do_v commend_v it_o to_o other_o church_n and_o even_o at_o the_o conference_n or_o reconciliation_n that_o be_v make_v betwixt_o luther_n bucer_n and_o capito_n he_o do_v much_o urge_v how_o necessary_a the_o use_n of_o excommunication_n may_v be_v and_o that_o bucer_n 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the_o corinthian_n ch_z 12._o v._n 28._o speak_v of_o government_n which_o he_o say_v be_v those_o whereof_z st._n paul_n speak_v 1_o cor._n 6._o v._n 12._o have_v these_o word_n at_o this_o day_n there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o such_o governor_n be_v under_o a_o magistrate_n let_v none_o therefore_o overturn_v the_o order_n institute_v by_o god_n and_o trample_v under_o their_o foot_n the_o authority_n of_o prince_n and_o magistrate_n by_o institute_v a_o new_a senate_n that_o assume_v power_n &_o empire_n over_o they_o but_o i_o must_v tarry_v a_o little_a long_o in_o germany_n and_o see_v what_o the_o attempt_n of_o luther_n for_o introduce_v excommunication_n do_v produce_v after_o his_o death_n matthaeus_n flaccius_n illyricus_n do_v yet_o with_o more_o eagerness_n endeavour_v to_o establish_v excommunication_n and_o for_o that_o be_v perpetual_o at_o discord_n with_o melanchthon_n who_o do_v not_o so_o much_o dislike_v the_o retain_v of_o the_o romish_a excommunication_n as_o the_o 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