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A38437 Englands settlement mistaken, or, A short survey of a pamphlet called England's settlement upon the two solid foundations of the peoples civil and religious liberties, pleading for a toleration of all religions wherein his ten arguments for toleration are confuted as so many sophisms and fallacies / by a well-willer to both civil and religious liberties of the people. Well-willer to both civil and religious liberties of the people. 1660 (1660) Wing E3050; ESTC R26794 23,668 34

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money be free and common to all there will be no disturbance in the State so in matters of Religion let men have liberty to be of any Religion or none true or false let them blaspheme the Name of God and Jesus Christ worship them with what worship they please though forbidden and the Church and States need not trouble themselves or sear any troubles It is the Magistrate or the Church that by denying People this liberty and laying restraint upon their consciences that are guilty of all unsetling disturbances c. 2. The Toleration of the Hollander I never yet heard a truly religious man to commend or approve till now if now it is I fear more out of policy than piety But I believe if the Hollander had not a better Guard by Sea and Land to secure and defend his State than the cement or untempered Mortar of Toleration he had long ere this been reduced either to his old Master or to utter destruction However malè parta male dilabentur when the time comes We see the fruit of Toleration in England since it hath been granted the variety of Religions as it hath served in one sense to strengthen a prevailing party by the politick Maxim Divide Impera So it hath made no small disturbances in the Church and State and had they not an Army to quiet them had long ere this laid them in the dust and the Nation in ashes And what will be the issue God only knows 2. His next Reason or Argument is borrowed from one Mr. Collier an Anabaptist at least if not Jesuited and consists of many no less than sour Arguments which all have respect to the Magistrate As by Coercive power in matters of Religion becoming guilty of high Treason against Jesus Christ in usurping upon his prerogative But the man hath quite mistaken the question as no doubt this Author knows but would take no notice of it This he undertakes to prove That it is unlawful for the Magistrate to pretend any right of Coercive power over mens consciences and an heinous sin in him to exercise it The thing is true in it self but not to the question The Magistrate hath no more Coercive power over mens consciences than the Church hath over mens bodies Christ only is Lord over the conscience Magistrates cannot impose any Laws of their own over the consciences of men nor force any to believe or practise contrary to the Laws of Christ or contrary to their consciences or punish them for not so believing c. But the question is whether a Magistrate Christian at least professing the true Religion may not use his power to command professed Christians to the observance of the Laws of Christ and the outward prescribed worship of God and punish them for not conforming thereunto whether also he may not restrain men from publishing and practsing of Errors and Heresies and false worship contrary to the true Religion to the perverting and destroying of mens souls And if his Arguments prove not the Negative of these they prove nothing But let us hear them 1. The Magistrate hath received no such power from Christ in the New Testament in matters relating to Faith and Worship Ergo Christ hath reserved the power over conscience to himself as Lord of it The whole of this may be granted and is granted above in a right sence without any prejudice to the question between us Christ only is Lord over the Conscience to prescribe Laws of Faith and Worship 2. The second is the same with the first in fense The Magistrate cannot impose Rules of Faith and Worship upon people c. But may he not impose the Laws of God and Christ upon his people And ought he not therein to be obeyed And Punish those that refuse them or walk contrary to them And if he command contrary to those Rules of Christ though he must not be therein obeyed must he not Passively be submitted to And what if Christ have not in the New Testament committed such power to the Magistrate as will be proved he hath is it not sufficient that he hath committed it to him in the old Testament And that not only the Kings of Judah but Heathen Kings have executed such a Power See Dan. 3.29 and 6.26 So that it is a Moral duty of a Magistrate known by the light of Nature as Gods Vicegerent to publish the Laws of God to command obedience to them and to punish Trangressors and is not this a Coercive power committed to the Magistrate 3. He thus argues If the Magistrates have such a power then all or some If all then Heathen Magistrates have it but that 's absurde If Christian only they may be of divers Religions and command contrary to Christs Rules one one Religion another another c. This is the sum of his Dilemmatical discourse But the Answer is easie this power we speak of belongs to all Magistrates as Magistrates even Heathens as afore though all are not in a capacity or have ability to perform it As in the fifth Commandment all parents are bound to instruct and command their children to know and fear God and correct their disobedience but Heathen parents cannot rightly do it The power of the Magistrate who is pater patriae is the very same in a greater latitude and belongs to the same Commandment though all cannot perform it but that 's their fault Obj. They may be of different Religions or beliefs and think themselves in the right and so every one that hath power will persecute another Protestants Papists and contra At their perill be it if they believe falsly and persecute the true Religion But ought they to do so May they that are of a false Religion persecute those that profess the true Religion Did he not say above this was the most heinous sin And may not they that profess and have the true Religion prosecute those that are heretical to bring them to a true belief and practise This case is parallel A Magistrate may punish offenders against righteousness in civil affairs Ergo He or another may persecute others for righteousness but sayes he Allow this that divers Religions may persecute one another and what confusion will this bring into a State into the World Sol. 1. Is there no difference between prosecution of evil doers and persecution of the innocent every Thief and every Heretick if punished or restrained cry out of persecution But how unjustly 2. Hath not Christ foretold it and by his Providence so orders it that there shall be persecution of the good for his sake and for righteousness sake yea and command his people to suffer it not with opposition or a desire to ruine and subvert that State that offers it but without impatience with greatest joy and gladness How unlike to Jesus are our Jesuites 4. His fourth Argument is this Christ hath committed his authority in matters of Religion relating to worship to his Church and commands to tell
that the man is in an errour if we may know the truth and be infallibly sure we are bringing him to an undoubted truth Ergo we may persecute we say prosecute him for his erring conscience e. g. We know certainly that he that denies a God or Jesus Christ to be the Son of God and Saviour of the World is in an error and we are infallibly sure we are bringing him to an undoubted truth to profess a God and Jesus Christ and Ergo we may by his own premises persecute or rather prosecute him for his erring conscience Whereupon the following assertion is most unchristian and uncharitable It would be better for us to let him alone in his known damning errors than to force him to ours which we not falsly as he truly esteem truth The very mercies of the wicked are cruel 4. These men seem to be Scepticks in their Religion for if there be any Religion or rules of faith and worship delivered in Scripture we may come to be infallibly sure that this is the Truth of God and thereby discover errors and consequently may prosecute them though we be not universally infallible The Magistrates of the Old Testament might not force any mans conscience more than now nor were more infallible than ours are now yet having a cleer rule of Religion and worship given them they compelled their subjects to observe it why may not ours do so now having a cleer light and greater illumination Is it not a certain and infallible truth that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and only Saviour of the World If not what an uncertain thing is Christianity which depends upon that one principle If it be shall any man professing the Christian Religion be suffered to deny that truth and blaspheme that holy name with impurity because the Magistrate or Church is not in all things infallible Lastly as to this first principle ex ungue leonem we may descry and discover the Fox the Jesuite by his strong plea for Toleration to his Recusants or Papists Though he speak in the person of Protestants as if one of them yet his secret or open girding at the State shews what he is Who having laid aside the King by whom and for whom those laws of restraint were made which is indeed the abolishing of those Laws yet we keep up the penalties of those Laws in vigour against Recusants which seems to be a very irrational Act And puts this Jeer upon the present powers by way of thanks or scorne for their granted soleration That as we have not one particular positive Religion setled for undoubted truth amongst us So we purpose not any one Religion to the Recusants to be followed by them but at most hold them out a medly of all Sects profest in the Nation c. Quis tulerit Gracchos de Seditione querentes The Subtle cursed Jesuites self condemned men have broken our Religion into so many Sects and Fractions to keep us from Setling the true Religion and then make themselves merry with our divisions The Lord rebuke them This to our first principle 2. The next is We have always pretended a general Toleration for all tender consciences of which kind there are some amongst the Prelatical and Popish party And yet they only are excepted from Toleration by the Parliament for so he means it But he goes on still Grant it to a poor sneaking foolish fellow that can scarce speak sense and hath hardly a groat in his purse to lose for his conscience and deny it to men of Honour Prudence and Estates suffering meerly for their conscience as having no tender consciences 1. Me thinks I hear the proud Pharisees speak in this Jesuite This people that knoweth not the Law is cursed and Lord I thank thee I am not as other men He cals mean simple Christians Sneaking Fellows as if they had no conscience because they have no Estates He may remember Not many Wife not many Noble or Mighty were called or honoured to be primitive Martyrs to suffer meerly for conscience They had too much to lose to dare to profess Christianity But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise c. He may read the rest 1 Cor. 1.26 c. And he makes men of Honour Prudence and Estates to have tender consciences meerly for suffering in their Estates whereas he knows many such may and do suffer only for the Religion delivered them by Tradition from their Fathers or out of some carnal respects If a man desired to be loose and profane he need not chuse an easier Religion than Popery And the Divel hath had his Martyrs and Confessors as well as Christ Martyres Satanicae virtutis as Cyprian c 2. But I have I confess often wondered that those in power who pretend so much favour to all tender consciences should so often by name except the Prelatical and Popish party when as there may be as tender consciences in some of them as in some whom they tolerate and also their laxe and loose principles and these reasons carry toleration for all or none Some Satisfaction I received from one that also pleads for Toleration as I thought for all Religions for his Arguments are as strong for all as for any why the Popish party should not have any Toleration granted them above all the rest Let him be heard speak in his own words As for Popery and Idolatry J. Mil●on tract of civil power in Ecclesiastical causes p 35. why they also may not plead to be tolerated I have much less to say Their Religion the more considered the less can it be acknowledged a Religion but a Roman principallity rather endevouring to keep up her old universal Dominion under a new name and meer shadow of a Catholick Religion being indeed more rightly named a Catholick heresie against the Scripture and except in Rome supported mainly by a civil and forrain power justly therefore to be suspected not tolerated by the Magistrate of another Country Beside● of an Implicite Faith which they profess the conscience also becomes implicit and so by voluntary servitude to mans law forfeits her Christian Liberty Who then can plead for such a conscience as being inthraled implicitly to man instead of God almost becomes no conscience as the will not free becomes no will Lastly for Idolatry whereof the Romish Church is justly charged to be deeply guilty who know it not to be evidently against all Scripture both of the Old and New Testament And therefore a true Herefie or rather Impiety wherein a right conscience can have nought to do and the works thereof so manifest that a Magistrate can hardly err in prohibiting and quite removing at least the publick and scandalous use thereof How this will please Jesuits or how they will answer it I he ther know nor care But I satisfied my self with one or both of these considerations 1. That they might except them not out of conscience but
the Church c. Ergo Not to the Magistrate But 1. Why did he leave out in matters of Faith that might have given us cause to suspect the Jesuite who allowes to his Pope power in matters of Faith in his Trent Creed but in worship the Church he would have us believe have some latitude of power which she hath not except in meer circumstances not to appoint the worship it self 2. For I ask Hath Christ committed his Authority to the Church to coin new Articles of Faith and new forms of Worship If not the Church and Magistrate are herein equal in their power between whom this Argument would insinuate a difference The Church hath no Authority Coercive upon mens consciences in matters relating to Faith and Worship more then the Magestrate hath but both are in their own way to publish and look to the execution of Christs rules in both The only difference is that the power of the Church is Spiritual that of the Magistrate Corporal And they may not meddle with each other Powers the Magistrate may no more exercise the spiritual power of the Church than the Church may exercise power over mens bodies or estates 3. This Disputer if he understand what he sayes would insinuate that Christ hath committed Authority over mens consciences to the Church which the Apostle earnestly disclaims 2 Cor. 1.24 And yet the Church hath some kind of Coercive power over her Members as appears in her censure of Excommunication which our Author sayes is a worse punishment than all the Magistrate can inflict upon the body as giving men over to the World and to Satan Now look back a little and sum up all It is a general rule laid down by all sides Conscience may not must not be forced in matters of Religion by any Coercive power Then neither by the Church nor Magistrate neither spiritually nor corporally The Church may no more force conscience than the Magistrate yet the Church exercising and executing Examination upon an Heretick or scandalous person exercises a Coersive power and as they will say over their consciences for they verily believe themselves in the right Religion Therefore either the exercise of Coercive power by the Church is also unlawful and so he hath destroyed the power of the Church in matters of Religion as well as of the Magistrate or else it is no force over mens consciences but over the errors of their consciences And laftly If it be lawful for the Church to restrain and chaftise an Heretick by her spiritual censures without any force to her conscience Why may it not be lawful for the Magistrate to restrain such a soul destroying Heretick by bodily punishments and yet without force upon his conscience Why may not the Magistrate deliver such a man to the Jaylor as the Church delivers him to the Devil Especially the end of both being as much as in them lies to save his soul Whence I conclude against him this Power of the Magistrate is no Vsurpation of the Dominion of Christ or the Power of the Church much lefs Treason against Christ Thus weakly hath M. Collier argued hitherto we shall hear of him again are long 3. His third Reason is borrowed from as wise an Author The Vindicatour of Sir Henry Vane Nothing can be more against the spiritual good of People than to make them hypocrites in Religion professing to believe what they do not Learned Soul Hath not the State and Church of England commanded all their People to frequent our Congregations under a penalty every Lords Day Hath not this man accordingly frequented them And hath he been all this while an hypocrite professing to believe what he doth not But if force in Religion make men hypocrites why did God commend Abraham to circumcise all the males of his family Why did the Godly Magistrates command all their Subjects under the Old Testament to serve the Lord according to the worship prescribed Did God or men intend to make them hypocrites Which they must have done if Coercive power did make them so Alas most men are hypocrites already though they be not forced to worship God therefore Coercive power does not make but find and discovers hypocrites Must not God be obeyed though men be hypocrites But real Christians who only can truly be forced against conscience do not turn hypocrites but refuse obedience and chuse to suffer which discovers their faith and patience and bring much glory to God There must be persecution as well as Heresies that they which are approved may be known It is therefore by accident that such force makes men appear hypocrites by commanding them to obey the Laws of God the Law of God irritates corruption but causes it not Rom. 7.13 23. If then God or men from God command men to worship God according to his will they find many hypocrites but do not make them such They sin if they serve him not and if hypocritically they sin also and its hard to say which is worst But this is some of the new light of this age that Children must not be taught their Commandments Creed or Lords Prayer or to read the Scriptures because they are yet hypocrites or none must receive the Lords Supper that knows not himself regenerate lest it make him an hypocrite Enough of this 4. His fourth Reason is taken out of the Levellers Catechism A Levelling Principle indeed to deny the Magistrates power in matters of Religion first and then in civil affairs If all were levelled and but content to be so what need what use of a Magistrate But hear their worthy Reason It 's against the nature of faith and worship to be forced Christ hath ordained the preaching of the Gospel to be the outward means of converting souls and spiritual Ordinances for punishment of erroneous and heretical persons c. This hath been spoken to in answering Mr. Colliers first and second reasons and in the last before But I add further it contradicts it self twice 1. In saying that the preaching of the word is the outward means of Conversion and yet denies any force to bring professed Christians to the attending on that means 2. That they allow spiritual punishment which is a greater force for reducing erroneous and heretical persons and yet denies not only the Magistrate to use any the least force to the bodies or estates of men but any force at all over mens consciences If no force may be used then not the spiritual as was said afore Lastly he takes for granted what we utterly deny that we allow the Church a power to punish mis-believers or mis-livers in bodies or purses Some have done so but I hope they have had time to repent it for so dishonouring the Church 5. The next is from a better Author but to as little purpose From the parable of the Tares among the Wheat both must be let alone till the Harvest the Wheat are the elect the Tares are Hereticks c. It might be