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A81491 A reply to a letter printed at Newcastle vnder the name of an answer, sent to the ecclesiasticall Assembly at London, about matters concerning the king, and the government of the church. With the copy of the said letter to the Assembly, in the name of John Deodate, D. D. Also, a certificate from one of the scribes of the Assembly at London. Walker, Henry, Ironmonger. 1646 (1646) Wing D1511; Thomason E367_7; ESTC R201267 12,349 16

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in their cause yet let them know that there is no Law that allowes their actions lawfull by that power to destroy the Land The King governes his people by power not onely Regall but politick If the Kings power in England was Royall onely then he might change the lawes of the Realm without consent of his subjects But here the Kings government being politick hee cannot wage warre against his Parliament And surely we may observe upon the notes pag. 9. there is a woe to these Prelates Papists and Malignants who have thus traduced the King and caused the warre And God will find them out with their Babylonish garments and wedges of gold and not only strip them but bring them to condigne punishment And for the other note of suffering rather then resisting with armes it is true we must let God work his work yet wee must doe our duty in serving him every one in his own place we must use the means And let me tell the Prelates which is no more but truth The Court of Parliament is so transcendent that it makes lawes and inlargeth lawes diminisheth abrogateth repealeth and reviveeth Lawes Statutes and Ordinances concerning matters Ecclesiasticall Capitall Criminall Common Civill and Martiall It is of that high Honour and Justice that none ought to Imagine any thing dishonourable that proceedeth from that high Court Mitt Cap 2. Sect 4. 7. 10. 14. Cap. 4. de default and Cap de Homicid Cap 1. Sect. 13. Cap 4 And those that resist that power resist the Ordinance of God which is a damnable Act. Rom. 13. 2. As for the adjurings and conjurings by the pretended holy grones Sacred Censers and hypocriticall extasies I cannot look upon them as tending really to a peace And we may daly see how big the Malignants hearts swell with poyson to foment if it were possible a new warre why do they pleade for humility and yet kick against our fasts What inclination of a good minde can they have towards the people of God whilst they burn in malice against the Parliament the Assembly and the City So that notwithstanding the Marginall notes pag. 11. It is cleare that the Malignant party seeke peace onely for themselves that they may be able to raise a new warre and though the forger of this letter would lay the guilt of all the blood that hath been shed in this warre upon the Parliament and their party yet it is most certaine that the Prelates Papists have been the very cause of all this blood-shed that hath been spilt in the 3. Kingdomes wherein so many thousands of Innocent people have been barbarously murdered for no other cause but that they were Protestants and could not professe the superstitions Commanded by the Prelates Authority And for the latter Annotations in pag. 11 we may easily see that they are still the same Incendiaryes as before not repenting unto this very day as is before exprest And for that excellent State of the Church observed by the notes on page 12. whence is it Their Councelling of the King to these courses so distructive both to himselfe and Kingdome Their Activity in cruell oppressions perpetrated by them upon the Innocent people and exorbitant illegall and tyrannicall invasions upon the just Lawes of the Kingdome and naturall Liberties of the subject Could these put the Church into an Excellent State who can endure such abominable untruths These alwayes were our blemishes But to conclude He that will approve this peece of Newcastle forgery must be either a papist or an atheist A Protestant he cannot be except to use his own words he be a Malignant and a right Malignant too even such a one who seekes to foment a new Warre from whom good Lord deliver us Amen An Answer sent to the Ecclesiastical Assembly at London by the reverend noble and learned man Iohn Deodate the famous Professour of Divinity and most vigilant Pastor of Geneva The Translators Preface to the simple seduced Reader READER MAy the Father of lights open thine eyes to see over this strangers shoulders and by this impartiall Perspective what thou whilst kept down thus low by thy new Masters and through thy Seducers false Mediums hast not hitherto been suffered to perceive it being now purposely hid from thine eyes Behold a meer stranger that notwithstanding his manifold Obligations and personall Ingagements to a contrary Discipline in the Church different forme of Government in the State yet over-ruled by the manifest Truth Honesty of the Kings Cause breakes through all those Restraints of his Liberty as far as he may to tell thee thus much plain English Truth Behold here Genevas veneration ful vindicatiō too of thine own Mother the Church of England as it stood under Episcopacie traduced here at home by her own Spurious brood for Superstitious Popish Antichristian what not And this Apology directed to the Assembly-men in answer to their Letter what ever it was Behold here again a cleer justification of the King vilified by his own for that for which strangers do admire him His Clemency his inclination to Peace his acts of grace c. Behold here the root of Gall that which hath brought forth all these Nationall mischiefes the popular tumults and conspiracies pointed at here is the only evident cause of the Kings Divorce from the Parliament See here by whom poor Ireland was deserted one thing also thou mayst here take notice of from these standers by That the Glergy in their own proper Sphere may be as fit and as honest and perhaps in some respects more able for the good speed of a Treaty then those that do slight them with utter Praeterition Last of all behold here the loyall and religious Subjects only Militia or his own proper Magazine to wit the known Lawes of the Land that and prayer submission are the only defensive weapons allowed here by this Master of Fence I say no more to thee save only that I do heartily pity thee and therefore I do stil pray for thee and for all thy fellow-bondmen that God will bring into the way of Truth all such as have erred and are deceived Amen Reverend godly and worthy Sirs our dear Brethren and Companions in the Work of the Lord IF proportionably to the griefe we have conceived at your Letters wherein you have expressed the most sad face of your affaires we had but as much ability either by our Consolations to asswage your sorrowes or by our counsels to ease your butthens or by any our cooperation to help your extremity we should think our selves very happy in so well corresponding with your honorable most loving compellation of us and right glad we should be thus to requite you with our best and effectuall good offices But alas as the scantnesse of our capacity in this kindso the Ignorāceof the more inward causes of so many miseries chiefly the perplex dangerous nature of matters now in agitation among you All these
A REPLY TO A LETTER Printed at NEWCASTLE VNDER The name of an Answer sent to the Ecclesiasticall Assembly at LONDON about Matters concerning the KING and the Government of the CHURCH With the Copy of the said LETTER to the Assembly in the name of JOHN DEODATE D. D. ALSO A Certificate from one of the Scribes of the ASSEMBLY at LONDON LONDON Printed by J. C. 1646. The Animadvertors Epistle to all well-affected Englishmen who are unwilling to be seduced to believe lies Countrey-men and friends SO soon as I received this printed Pamphlet from Newcastle which came to me inclosed in a letter dated Newcastle the 10. 1646. from an eminent person of that place who advertised me that it was all that the Printer had published since his residing there I did forthwith repaire to some members of the Assembly of Divines at Westminster to acquaint them with it desiring to know whether they had ever received any such letter And upon search finding it to bee a meere forgery I thought fit to publish this Antidote to preserve the people from being poysoned by it I have perused it and must censure them very simple that will bee seduced with such a notorious fiction invented by some prophane Atheist for none else durst dare so often to blaspheme the Name of God to countenance such abominable lies A stranger hee is indeed but so unlike Doctor Deodate that the good old man will be full of sorrow to heare that a Presse should be conveyed to Newcastle to the King to surprize him with such a scandall Take this cordiall therefore to heart which I have prepared to correct the malignancy of that corrosive and corroborate the simple-hearted people who are too apt to drink in such sugred potions Who this pretender of translating the Doctors letter is I know not but this I am sure that he appeares a Cheater a Jesuite a Digby what shall I say more an Ormond a meer Machiavil And therefore the scandals that he hath written against the Parliament and the Assembly are no more to be valued then what wise men expect from such All which doth amount to a very poore justification of the Royall actions The Lord bring into the way of truth all such as have erred and are deceived So prayes he who is Yours in the Lord LUKE HARRUNEY Gracious street this 15. of December 1646. Some Animadversions upon the Letter pretended to be Doct. Deodates but written by a Malignant at Newcastle to the Assembly of Divines AS the Printer at Newcastle pretends this Book to be printed at Geneva so the Episcopall Malignant at Newcastle pretends the matter of it to be Doctor Deodates letterr from Geneva by which they both approve themselves to be a couple of cheating knaves And if any be not satisfied that this letter is forged they may repaire to the Assembly at Westminster and see that which is the right And although this might be a sufficient answer to it for rationall men yet lest some poore ignorant souls should be overcome before they discern the danger of the poyson I will passe some Animadversions upon it For that passage in the Marginall Note pag. 5. observe the Lyer Did the Church of England flourish by the publishing of prophane Books of sports on the Lords day By stopping the mouths of godly Ministers cropping off both branch and fruit of all godlinesse and planting Popishly affected covetous and proud Clergy in all the chiefe places of the Kingdome The Pope indeed had a flourishing party waging warre against the Protestants and Parliaments of England This Metropolitan of our divisions was fomented by the Hierarchy they divided between the King and Kingdome head and body father and son brother and brother a right Babylonish division The Scorpion stings himselfe pag. 6. 7. His note is still under Episcopacie which carried such a glorious face with their Cathedrals and Courts as the Cardinals and Fry of Rome with their Abbies and Monasteries And therefore it was that they stirred up the King to force the Popish Service-book upon the Scots and when that could not be effected they animated him to raise an Army against the Parliament of England and caused the Sheep and the Pastors to goare each other till the land wallowed in blood yet still as Bernard saith they have conscientia mala tranquilla no remorse no sting of conscience nothing but a dead slumber a damnable hardnesse of heart And whereas he magnifies the Kings benignity as of the best of Princes and that he is the most absolute in wisdome to redresse these miseries I wish that his Majesty may confirme the same by passing the Propositions of the wisest of Counsells the Parliaments of both Kingdomes presented to him at Newcastle In the eight page you may see what a disparagement hee would cast upon the Parliament and Citie of London as if they should by driving away the King be the cause of the warre and bloodshed when as his Majesty left them against their will because they desired and laboured that justice might be executed according to law There were many Popish and Prelaticall Tares sowne in the Church of England And as God hath hitherto so I doubt not but he will perfect his work by the Parliament as his Angell with the sharp sickle to cut down that harvest before it doth attain Ripenesse in these Kingdomes Blame not therefore the Citie and the reverend Assembly though they deserted those Vipers to joyn in hand and heart with the Parliaments to preserve the Church and people of God And how ever the Libeller vapours for the Hierarchy in the note of the eight page yet we know how opposite they were to Christ and that by wofull experience Christs commands to preach the word in season and out of season 2 Timoth. 4. 2 But they forbad more then one Sermon a week nay would have had preaching but once a moneth God commands the Lords day to be kept holy Exod. 20 but they prevailed with the King to have sports and recreations allowed on the Lords day Gods word requires spirituall worship John 4. 23 They forced human Traditions upon the Ministers and people And the first Bishops we read of were no more but Presbyters preaching Elders 1 Tim. 3 They proved Prelaticall Tyrants It is true as page 9. there have been many overtures for peace but the Prelats have so wrought into his Majesties affections that the Prelats and evill Councellors of their faction have still hindered the good issue they have stil been the chiefe incendiaries How many protestations have they forced from his Majesty to stick to them and not to leave them They would be held up though three kingdomes be ruined chusing rather to see England Scotland and Ireland all in a sea of blood then the pomp of their Prelaticall kingdom should bee overwhelmed These have alwayes been the men that have set the whole earth in a combustion Though they have unhappily engaged the King
more open flame At the first report of these your own Commotions our mindes were possessed with a good hope that all past offences might with the same promptitude and facility be forthwith repaired and all matters composed So that what actions or counsels should appear amisse might by the benignity of the best of Princes be easily redressed and consequently both Church and Common-wealth without noise or bloud shed be kept in due order In pursuance of all which we could not but admire the happy and glorious beginnings of the Parliament and the more then Fatherly affection of his most gracious Majesty evidenced by his enacting those Lawes from which for the time to come there was a cleare hope of a Government full of equity and freed from all corruption An example not so rare as indeed singular in this our wild Geneneration so fertile of violent Powers and Princes But all these our goodly hopes were soone blasted by that raging storme and tempest of popular tumults among you that did force away both your most gracious Prince from his Parliament as also a great part of the Parliament from it self Since which we have heard indeed of many attempts and enterprises many Propositions and Projects but all of them come to nothing nothing is yet brought to perfection nothing is yet rightly setled or established The businesse of the Church might seem the chief object of your care and sollicitude If it had been handled and debated at times with mindes calm and quiet had the opposite judgments been compared and impartially weighed one with another such an orderly course might happily have purchased a lasting Peace to your Kingdome and also rendred unto your Church that most desired Primitive face of the Apostolicall times a but behold how quite contrary the event hath fallen out for the mindes of both sides being averse from yea violently bent one against another this very matter hath proved the great rock of offence by exasperating the wound and tearing it wider and wider by distracting more and more asunder the hearts of each party distempered enough already through former partiality and discord of affections Nay if the report be true these Church Distractions have opened a wide gap to so many boysterors and private spirits which we hear have assumed to themselves the most mischievous Title of Independents then which Destructive Sect nothing could more undermine ●●ea quite overturne the very foundation of the Church Besides all that we have bin extreamly grieved at this That the spirit of division hath so plentifully sown among you his pernicious Tares of Feares and Jealousies that they have not onely fructified but even overgrown all over all manner of mutuall trust in despight of so many Royall protestations sealed and bound up with so many most grievous Imprecations But the very top and height of all our sorrows on your behalfes hath been this That all that cursed fuell thus heaped on is now at last kindled into bloody warre lengthned on both sides by a multiplication of deadly feuds So that during such an universal combustion what ever mens bare words never so frequent Protestations other wise may pretend yet the Royall Honour Power and Dignity cannot but fall into utter contempt and on the contrary the licentiousnesse of the most audacious and lawlesse cannot but gather strength and ont-grow the other and then consequently Piety must needs decay mutual love and charity must needs vanish away and instead thereof a kind of savage disposition yea brutish rage must needs invade at last the minds and maners of the men of this Generation who in processe of time will no longer look upon the old originall causes that began the warre but rather upon the new mutuall injuries freshly done or received in the very progresse or prosecution of the war between two parties divided far more by an odious difference of reproachful Names as it were infamous brands fixed upon each other then really by the cause it self It had been farre more easie unto us and all good men else to deliver our judgements upon your case had the Major part of either side differed from the other either in the more essential poynts of Religion or else dissented about the Fundamental Lawes of the Common-wealth or had either party been oppressed b by the other in a direct way of open persecutiō or had there been an introduction of publick tyranny against the lawes through the basenesse and pusillanimity of the other party But as for you you have abundant cause of comfort or seeurity against all these evils c since by vertue of your own most just and powerfull Lawes those Lawes that already have been indifferently agreed upon by the generall consent of all parties concerned you may with ease prevent or put all those forementioned evils which in other Kingdomes may seem almost unavoidable All these considerations put together have moved us for a long while seriously to deliberate and advise what might be at last the best expedient left to procure an honest and sure Peace among you Indeed wee have been much scandalized that all the Mediations of several Kingdomes and Provinces in league with you have been tried and used all in vaine Howbeit it came into our mind to propound this one Medium more whether now at last there be yet any hope to obtain from the Kings most gracious Majesty and from the Parliament that of both sides Ecclesiasticall persons may bee chosen of unquestioned Trust and Fame-proofe beyond all suspition to whom this great businesse may be committed Namely that comparing the chiefe points now in controversie they may chalkout some good way towards an holypeace But first these men must by Gods good Spirit themselves be dispossessed of all factious inclinations that so they may become fit Vmpires and Trustees of the publick Peace and impartiall Embassadours of Reconciliation between both parties and also able and studious too by all their Speeches Exhortations and Sacred Obtestations to charm the hearts that on both sides are so obdurate in War and Bloodshed This were the ready way by thus interposing the Sacred Censer in the very midst of these publike flames to quench all the heart-burnings for who knowes whether at the devout Prayers and holy groanes of Persons Sacred thus prostrate at the footstoole of the Heavenly grace the Divine power and glory may not break out once more and shew forth it selfe by moving the hearts of both Parties to lay downe all hatred and publike enmities The onely way to procure such sound Councell of both sides and to purchase again the precious blessing of a generall Peace is especially when all humane helps faile to call in the Divine Assistance which no man did ever try in vaine By these good meanes that may be brought to passe what cannot be hoped for from Civill Warre however the successe prove that by a voluntary Inclination of Mindes the wound shall be so fully closed up