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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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saying he asserts it and the assertion is thine and not the Lords therefore thou art a lyar and false accuser of the Lord for he saith in Matthew 11.27 that no man knoweth the Son but the Father neither knoweth any man the Father save the Sonne and he to whomsoever the Son not the Scripture but the Son will reveal him here Revelation is the surer rule of knowing God witnessed also Luke 10.22 And visions are a way of God making known himselfe by as was witnessed after Moses and the Prophets and thou contradicts the Scriptures for the Lord spoke to Ananias his messenger in a vision and gave him commission to go with his message Acts 9.10 11. and that was a more sure knowlege to him then the words of Moses and the Prophets and a rule that stood firmer to him then words of other men And Paul he saw in a vision the man named Ananias come unto him ver 12. and that was more certaine then the words of others as Moses and the Prophets And Peter saw in a vision thing cleared to him which was not cleared by the writings of Moses and the Prophets Acts 10.15 16 17. and while Peter thought on the vision the spirit spoke unto him and gave him commission to go to the Gentiles ver 19 20 c. but so did not the Scriptures then the Scriptures are not a more sure or standing rule then visions and revelations by the spirit of truth are as thou sayes therefore thou art a lyar and false accuser therein for Paul knew Christ by revelation and received the Gospel by revelation as he hath certified to the brethren Ga. 1.11 12. and when Christ was revealed within him he went to preach him Gal. 1.15 16. and that was a sure rule unto him and more sure then the Scriptures for he knew much of the writings of Moses and the Prophets and letter of the Scriptures whilest he were a persecutor but then he knew not Christ revealed in him which after he did and went up to Jerusalem fourteen years after by revelation Gal. 2. and not by the Scriptures therefore the Scriptures are not so sure a rule as visions and revelations by the spirit of truth are and the Apostle knew how sure revelatitions by the spirit of truth were so he exhorted others to wait for the grace that was to be brought to them at the revelatition of Jesus Christ 1 Pet. 1.13 and the deep things of God are revealed not by the letter but by the spirit 1 Cor. 2.10 Therefore Revelations by the spirit of truth are more sure then the Letter for the righteousnesse of God is revealed from faith unto faith as faith the Scripture Rom. 1. through the Gospel and power of God unto salvation ver 16 17. Thou sayes that one saith the Scriptures are other mens words contrary to 1 Tim. 3.16 the Scripture is given by inspiration And then by a peece of logick thou wouldst raise a fals accusation against Francis Howgill and makes a false conclusion to wrest the Scriptures to serve thy own turne but cannot as for Francis Howgill saying the Scriptures are other mens words thou sets down truth defended page 6. Let the wise hearted read that Book and it clears him from thy slander which by thy logick thou wouldst cast upon him because he sayes the Scriptures are other mens words that spoke them freely and not for set wages or hundreds a year c. And further I answer Holy men of God spoke as they were moved so saith the Scripture 2 Pet. 1. and it doth not contradict the 1 Tim. 3.16 where it sayes the Scriptures are given by inspiration of God then the Scripture was inspired and that was by the spirit and spirituall men spoke forth those words Therefore they were words spoken by the men of God and so words from the spirit of truth spoken by the holy men of God other men that were holy and spoke freely and not by you that are sinfull and pleads for it and Preaches for hire the words of others as the false Prophets did therefore the Lord is against you hireling Priests in Scotland as he was against such in your nature spoken of in Scripture Read those Scriptures to be witnesse against all those Scottish Priests that Preach for hire and seeks for the fleece c. and makes a prey upon the people and seeks for their gaine from their quarter Jerem. 5.30 31. Ezek. 34. Micah 3.11 Isa 56.10 11.2 Pet. 2. Jude 11. That the Scriptures are the words of other men and not yours Read the words of the Preacher the sonne of David King in Israel Eccl. 1. Read the words also of King Lemuel and he was a man read the Prophecy that his mother taught him and she was a woman Prov. 31. The song of songs which is Solomens and he was a man Cant. 1. There is the words of Jeremiah the son of Hilkiah Jer. 1.1 To whom the word of the Lord came in the days of Josiah King of Judah in the 18 year of his Reigne but a Printed Bible did not come unto him neither did he nor any Prophet or Apostle that thou canst prove ever stand with a Printed Bible in his hand and say hear the word of the Lord Then the word of the Lord was declared and spoken without Printed Bibles and before Printing was invented But if Printing had not been invented what would you have Preached by that knows not the word of life which was before writing or Printing was And where thou sayes they say you have nothing to try mens Doctrine and spirit by but the letter and that your tryer is a chapter or a verse of the Scriptures no more you Scotish Preists have for thou sayes the letter is spirit or the spirit is in the letter and given by it By this thou hast manifested thy Scottish tryer and as for that saying to the Law and to the Testimony if they speak not according to it it is because there is no light in them but we speak according to it and therefore there is Light in us For God who commanded the Light to shine out of darknesse hath shined in our hearts c. 2. Cor. 4.6 7. And where thou accusest James Nayler for saying the Law of the new Covenant is written in the heart it is but to manifest thy ignorance of it and that thou art offended at James for witnessing what the Scriptures do witnes and that the Law of the new Covenant is written in the heart Jer. 31.31 c. Heb. 8 10 11. And where thou sayes for any to call the written word which is the letter of the Scripture carnall is blasphemy Here againe thou hast shewed that thou regardest not what thou sayes and art ignorant of what the Scripture it selfe faith concerning the same which speaketh of a carnall commandement but that is all one with thy other that sayes the spirit is in the letter and the letter is the word
of Christ and saith he doth not forbid all oaths but by creatures onely yet to confute thy selfe and manifest thy contradictions thou sayes he forbids not swearing by creatures onely but all oaths and here out of confusion thou hast confest to the Truth after thou hadst contradicted it And if thou had not made swearing null and voyd by thy words in confessing that all oaths are forbidden The very expresse words of Scripture would have been a witnesse clearely in the second place against thee James 5.12 And as for this saying we take the words of Christ contrary to his meaning therein thou hast also in that cleared us and contradicted thy selfe for we take his words according to his mind and so denies oaths abides in his doctrine But the Lord hath suffered thee to lay open thy folly that by thy words thou mayest be judged knowne to be in confusion selfe contradiction and so Babylonish Take heed of uttering thy folly as thou hast done Selfe Contradictions And where thou sayes they deny the Letter of the Scriptures to be Scripture that is one of thy lyes and yet thou sayes they stick to the Letter of the Scripture Mat. 23.8 10. which saith Be not called Masters here thou hast cleared them and contradicted thy selfe againe but thou art offended that they witnesse against thy deceit and cuts of thy Mastership by thy own rule though thou wouldst cover it over yet thy covers are seen and thou art left bare And thou sayes they say he that believeth hath the witnesse in himselfe and if they say so the Scripture saith the same 1 John 5.10 herein they do not deny nor crosse the Scriptures Acknowledge thy lies error and confusion and upon them own thy condemnation for after thou hast said that they should say They deny the Letter of the Scripture to be Scripture to confute thy selfe and clear them in p. 21 thou sayes that they say the Scriptures they own to be true in themselves as they were given forth by the spirit of truth which ruled in them that gave them forth and for proof sets down Light risen out of darknesse by Richard Farneworth p. 13. here both thy own witnesse and that Book of Richard Farneworths doth witnesse aganst thee And thus thou hast cleared them from the slander that thou sought to cast upon them and art under the guilt and the pit which for others thou diggedst thou are faln in thy selfe and catcht in thy own snare and craftinesse take notice of that see how thou hast contradicted thy selfe And where thou sayes one of them saith you are ignorant of the life of the Scriptures that are ignorant of the Letter herein thou hast manifested the same therefore take thou the shame for the life from whence the Scriptures proceeded is not the Letter yet the Letter doth declare of it and such as thou art that had the Letter but were ignorant of the Life Christ said Search the Scriptures in them you think you have eternall life they testifie of me but saith he Ye will not come to me that ye might have life John 5. 39 40. And againe saith he I am the Way the Truth and the Life Joh. 14.6 And he that hath the Son hath Life but the Son is not the Letter neither is the Letter the Son yet the Letter declares of him Concerning the new Birth and the word in the heart He that believeth thay say is born of God I answer so saith the Scripture 1 John 5. and that the word of Faith is nigh in the heart is witnessed Rom. 10.8 and he that believes and is born of God knowes the seed of God within him as saith the Scripture 1 John 3.9 but he is not born of the Letter as thou wouldst have him yet he is begotten by the immortall word which endureth for ever which the Letter declares of and that doth not contradict the Scripture Therefore where thou twines about to raise a lye of them saying they say and unsay that is thy own as before is proved for thou art he that sayes and unsayes and where thou sayes take the meaning of their words that hast not the same minde knows not the meaning but wrests them as thou perverts the Scriptures and so raiseth lyes by thy imaginations to manifest also thy contradictions for thou sayes they say and say truly then they lye not neither do they say and unsay and thou sayes they say truly because the Scripture saith so then they agree with the Scripture being of God and speaking truly 1 John 4.4 5 6. and they that are of God hear his word then they crosse not the Scripture neither do they say and unsay if they say truly and as thou also say But they say truly therefore they do not say and unsay and so thou art taken with the lye againe and clears them thy self and where thou sayes they deny that in John 1.9 to be a naturall Light If we do we have warrant for it for it is the Light supernaturall John 8.12 and if one of them did say he lived in a naturall condition before his conversion is that such a strange thing such as were witnesses for God as the Apostles and others had been naturall before they were spirituall and when it pleased God to reveal his Son in them Gal. 1. he also commanded the Light to shine out of darknesse to give them the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus and they had the heavenly treasure manifested in earthen vessels 2 Cor. 4.6 7. and if it had not been there in a mystery Col. 1. 27. how could it in them have been so after manifested in them but that thou art mindfull to cavill on purpose against the work of God to shew forth the envy of thy heart against the breakings forth of Light whereby your deeds of darknesse are discoverd and against testified And where thou sayes they magnifie the Light and the Law written in the heart to judge and condemn sin then thou sayes the day of Judgment is come I answer Where Judgement is brought forth into victory sin is condemned in the flesh and there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesus who walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and such have boldnesse in the day of Judgement for as some mens deeds goes before hand to Judgement others they come after and therefore a day of Judgement is to come and that thou and the wicked will know to be a day of torment though the righteous may rejoyce in it Againe thou sayes They affirme that every man in his first estate may fee himse fe to be naturall but not able to judge of the things of God citing particulers concerning the Law by John Cam let that book be a witnesse to the truth against thy ignorance and sottishnes that sets thy corruptions and pleads for them the light which doth discover the naturall corruptions is not not
but the letter declares of the spirit and it was before the letter was and given by the Lord it is his gift and not the gift of the letter yet the letter declares of it but God is the giver contrary to their affirmation witnessed in John 14.16 17. John 14.26 John 16.13 Acts 2. Gal. 4.6 1 John 3.24 There it no spirit and life in outward bread and wine neither is Christ spiritually in it at the institution as the Papists and Scots affirme Therefore they contradicts the Scriptures and the late Act of Abjuration that so affirme For Christ it the bread of life John 6. 〈◊〉 such as eate that bread live in him and he in them Ver. 57 58. A VINDICATION OF THE SCRIPTURES In Answer to the Scottish Contradictors I Received a Printed Paper that came out of Scotland into York and Yorkeshire in England published by one John Stalham and as he calls himselfe Preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in the said Scotland but he hath manifested himselfe and his subtile and serpentine spirit by his lies and slanders for all his glosses and covers to be a Minister of deceit and so of Antichrist as hereafter will more appear who falsly accuses the people of the Lord and shewes forth a bitter spirit of envy against them and the truth which doth manifest his deceit and though he be painted and deckt with his notions implications and contra distinctions and gilded coloured and borrowed and form'd up imagined expressions yet with the Light which is not common reason as he calls it but the true Light which discovereth errour and deceit and leads out of darknesse into the light of life John 8.12 such as obey it with the Light John 1.9 is he seen and known to be one that hates it and also bears record of himself against Christ and his Apostles and therefore he must needs be an antichristian and a deceiver and so to be denyed and holden accursed Gal. 1.8 9. For he calls the true Light the light of nature and the common light of reason but cannot prove what he hath therein said Therefore he is a lyar a false accuser and lyars and false accusers are antichristian so is he Therefore let him be an Anathema Maranatha and all such as he is 1 Cor. 16.22 To that which thou calls touching the Scriptures themselves John Stalham Thou calls thy Pamphlet or Book of lyes The Quakers Contradictions to the Scriptures and to that which thou begins with and calls it Touching the Scriptures themselves First thou sayes They say the Scriptures are not the word of truth I answer That the Scriptures are words that proceeded from the spirit of truth we doe not deny but own and so they are words of truth and therefore thy saying is false and in that thou art charged to be a lyar and false accuser of the truth but that the Scriptures are the Word God and eternal Life as thou wouldst have them thou canst not prove nor all the Magicians to help thee and that thou wouldst have them to be and thou art seen to be a lyar of them and the truth and such as witnes to the word and Gods power they witnesse against thee And where thou Queries and sayes How can the Scriptures be Gods witnesse if not true I answer That the spirit of truth in the Prophets were Gods witnesse and testified before-hand of the sufferings of Christ and declared of in the Scriptures by words that proceeded from that spirit of Christ that in them did signifie those things 1 Pet. 1. And the spirit of Christ in the Apostles of Christ Gal. 4.6 did carry them forth after they had received power from on high to witnes him forth Acts 1. But the spirit is not in the letter as thou in thy 22 page hath said neither is the spirit giby the letter but by God and Christ of whom the letter doth declare being words of truth that proceeded from the spirit of truth Luke 11. 1 John 13. The letter proceeded from the spirit but the spirit did not proceed from the letter and therein thou hast erred not knowing the spirit nor power of God declared of in the Scriptures Thou saith Another saith the Scripture is not a standing rule to you who cannot believe contrary to Luke 16.29 They have Moses and the Prophets for a standing rule thou sayes Here let all the honest hearted judge of thy deceite who hath perverted that Scripture for thy own ends Luke 16.29 from it raising a false doctrine saying You have Moses and the Prophets for a standing rule when the ver saith not so here I charge thee in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar of the Scriptures and so contradicts them for if Moses and the Prophets had been left to all and for ever for a standing rule as thou asserts then Christ and the Apostles might not have been after Moses and the Prophets for following examples or rules and therein thou brings the old Covenant to contradict the new and crosseth that Scripture where it saith Be ye followers of God as dear children Eph. 5.1 And they that follow him in the Gospel are led by his Spirit and that is not the letter though the letter declare of it Rom. 8.14 c. For God is that spirit as saith the Scripture 2 Cor. 3.17 But we follow God who are guided by the Spirit as such did and that is our guide and rule to wit the Spirit of truth as Christ hath since he promised it appointed it to be the rule and guide into all truth John 16.13 But thou that would have the letter to be the rule and Moses and the Prophets onely then thou wouldst not have Christ and the Apostles followed after and so contradicts the Scripture also which was spoken after Moses and the Prophets after the Law under the Gospel by a minister of the same who in his godly exhortation said Be ye followers of me even as I am of Christ 1 Cor. 11.1 And that was not Moses and the Prophets but Christ and his Apostles there spoken of Seeing then we are not under the Law but under Grace the spirit of Christ is our rule and guide and even unto this day when Moses is read the vaile is upon their heart as saith the Scripture 2 Cor. 3.15 But thou art reading and pleading for Moses to be a standing rule and so sets up the Law in stead of the Gospel therefore the vaile is upon thy heart but we witnesse the glory that exceeds for if the ministration of condemnation were glorious much more the ministration of glory exceeds but thou art ignorant of that and where thou hast pleaded for Moses and the Prophets to be a standing rule saying they have Moses and the Prophets let them heart them Luke 16.31 Here thou sayes the Scriptures are asserted by our Lord to be a more standing rule then Visions and Revelations thou hast here raised a fals assertion of the Lord
thou hast contradicted the Scripture which calls Christ the alone Saviour or perfect Saviour being able to save all that come unto God by him not by the Scripture but by Christ the alone and perfect Saviour of such Acts 4.11 12. Heb. 7.25 which the Scripture declareth of and he that hath the Son hath life 1 John 5.12 if he have not the letter but he that hath not the Son hath not life though he may have all the Letter And where thou sayes that Edward Burrough calls the common light the corner stone c. Thou lyes of Edward Burrough and his Book to Vnderbarrow p. 7. for there is not such a word as a common Light there stop thy mouth lyar for thou art taken with the lye in thy mouth and lyars are for the Lake Rev. 21.8 But the Scripture saith Christ is the Light and Christ is the chief corner stone Act 4.11 1 Pet. 2.6 7. and so saith Edward Burrough therefore he agrees with the Scripture and his saying as thou sayes is not contrary to Eph. 2 20. but agree therewith there againe thou art taken with another lye in thy mouth lyar be ashamed and blush And where thou wouldst slander Richard Farneworth for saying the Light is pure standing out of corruption thy slander hath no weight nor doth not harm for God is Light 1 John 1.5 and he is pure and discovers corruptions and hath no union with them therefore his Light is pure and stands out of them and what communion hath Light with darknesse as saith the Scripture 2 Cor. 6.14 And thou brings that Scripture and sayes if you beleivers say you have no sin you deceive your selves and the truth is not in you 1 John 1.8 But I say and so doth the Scripture that he that abideth in Christ sinneth not 1 John 3.6 But you Scotchmen abide not in Christ that thou calls beleivers who plead for the Devil and therefore are sinners and such as commit sin are of the Devil take notice of that 1 John 3.6 7 8 9 10. but thou commits sin and so art a servant of the Devil for thou goes on with thy lies and sayes James Nayler saith that the common Light of every man which thou calls naturall Light being followed and obeyed will lead out of the fall I charge thee here in the presence of the Lord to be a lyar of James Nayler and his Book for the words in it are not as thou sayes thou lyar and false accuser be ashamed of thy lyes but James Nayler witnesseth with Christ who is the true Light and such as obey the Light and follow Christ they are led thereby out of the fall and are saved by him and that is not contrary to Scripture but witnessed with it which thou contradicts and so sins against Scripture and against Christ that calls him a naturall Light and to manifest thy blindnesse and ignorance of the Scriptures thou sayes Where is there any Promise in Scripture of spirituall saving Light to lead man out of the fall and out of his naturall estate but a threatning thou sayes there is c. I answer If there were no Promise of spirituall saving Light to lead out of the fall man might continue in it and under the curse but there is Promises of saving Light and saving grace anexed to it and such as follow and obey the same are saved by it and led out of the fall for by grace are we saved through faith and not of our selves it is the gift of God as saith the Scripture Eph. 2. Not of works least any man should boast Eph. 2.8 9. That there is promises of saving Light in Scripture as God hath said I will give thee for a Covenant of the people for a Light to the Gentiles and this Light hath grace anexed that is a covenanting Light and salvation to the ends of the earth the Light of the Gentiles and the glory of the people Israel Isa 42.6 7. Isa 49.6 Isa 60.19 20. Luke 2.22 23. Eph. 2. Concerning the Law To that touching the Law and first Covenant of works that the Mosaicall and Leviticall Law was under that Covenant of works and all thy twisting and wresting cannot disprove it and for thy saying Adam was under a Covenant of works and the same thou canst not prove it nor Peter English to help thee but manifests your confusion therein for Peter English in his serious reveiw saith that God made Adam upright p. 7. and in a state of perfection for he saith Adam was made in a state of perfection without sin and yet to contradict himselfe and shew his confusion in p. 10 he saith that through coveteousnesse the root of all evill a breach of the 10 commandedement he fell or brake and transgressing dyed see here how Peter English hath befooled himselfe first saith he man was perfect and without sin then saith he he was coveteous and in the root of all evill what contradictions is here to himselfe and to the Scripture that saith before he so fell he knew no evill and the said Peter English a Scotchman saith further to confute himselfe and the rest with him that it cannot be said that Adam in a state of innocency was under a covenant of works p. 9. for where there is no Law there is no transgression Rom. 4.15 and the Law is not for the righteous but for the rebellions 1 Tim. 1.9 and so he saith in a sence Nayler spoke true but Peter English going about to accuse Nayler and after when he hath cleared him he confutes himselfe saying Adam was not under a covenant of works as under a Law and yet saith through a breach of the 10 commandement he broke the covenant and transgressing of which he died here he hath comed poorly off and lyed of himself and of the Scriptures and of Adam also for he said where no Law was there was no trasgression but Adam had not the Law in which the 10 commandments were given therefore he did not transgress the 10th and dye for that for it were written the Law with the 10 commandements several hundred years after Adam and not given to him in the Paradice therefore he was not under that Law and Covenant of works Lyars stop your mouths Concerning Sinne. That all the children of Light are called to judg them Priests and such as you that say the children of God are found groaning under the burden of sinne all their life time those are the words though thou wrest them that is warranted and not arroganted for groaning under sinne whilest it is working out that may be but to say that the children of God they groane under it all their life time it contradicts the Scriptures and the arrogant assertion is thy own contrary to Rom. 8. c. 1 John 3. Rev. 14. for thou sayes Paul all along in Rom. 7. from v. 14. speaks in the name of the regenerate to the end of the chapter and groans and sighs it out Oh